Through engaging dialogues, Barbara and Darren also delve into broader themes of agreement not only in marriages but in the wider faith community. They remind listeners of the importance of moving beyond mere symptoms to address the core issues within Christian relationships, offering practical advice and scriptural references on how to resolve conflicts with a foundation in love and faith. This episode is a rich tapestry of personal stories, reflections, and divine wisdom that provides listeners with actionable insights on nurturing relationships and embracing spiritual growth for a fulfilling and victorious life.
Welcome to Call to Freedom with Barbara Carmack. This is Jimmy Lakey, and I’m delighted that you are joining us for this half hour. You can reach Call to Freedom at Box 370367, Denver, Colorado, 80237, or by going to the website at www.freedomstreet.org. If you want to leave a message or order a Word Power Daily Reading Bible Guide or a Freedom Street Express newsletter, you can call us toll free at 1-877-917-7256 and leave your name and address, including your zip code. If you want to talk to Barbara right now, she is expecting your call. You may call that same toll-free number, 1-877-917-7256 to speak to her. And now, let’s join Barbara in the studio.
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On this Encore show, Darren and I discuss the marriage covenant, and we receive calls from Joyce and Gil. We continue our discussion on a God-led marriage through agreement. Getting the answer to your prayers may not be immediate, but as you study God’s word and obey his love letter, he will bring your request to fulfillment. It’s important to note that Amos 3.3 confirms agreement by saying, Can’t two walk together except they be agreed. Agreement is the most important thing for salvation, healing, and walking in victory. God does have a repair program for restoring marriages. Darren and I put together a four CD series on marriage, divorce, and remarriage. And you can have this four CD series with the booklet for $20. Now let’s join the program.
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Well, here we are, Barbara, in snowy Denver.
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Well, you know, God says there’s a season for everything, and this season is getting too long for me.
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You know, yesterday I sat here in the studio, and I looked across the city to Mount Evans, and it was absolutely gorgeous. I mean, you could see the snow up there.
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At 530.
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No, well, maybe at 6, but certainly at 1030. And today I can’t see two blocks. It’s snowing so hard. And I guess we’re supposed to be right in the center of this big spring storm. And this is when we get some real doozies here in Denver.
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Yeah, we’re supposed to.
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You know what a doozy is? What? It’s a bad storm.
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Well, they say April is one of the wettest months in the year. Is it? Well, we’ll just have to have a good time and enjoy the Lord.
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I’m glad we have four-wheel drive. We don’t seem to have very much. You know, and I praise God, the other day, We had a little snow in the night, and I was going home after the early morning show, and I was going down South Broadway. And where the sun had not hit the streets yet, some of the tall buildings were kind of keeping a shadow there in a sense. And a man just to the left of me in the lane next and just about a car length ahead had rear-wheel drive, and he punched it going across the street there, getting away from the light. He was clear over in the middle of my lane. Hmm. And, you know, those angels that are always with me, I just kind of turned the wheel a little bit. And, you know, avoided a little. It wouldn’t have been a bad accident, but it would have been an accident.
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Bender, bender, yeah.
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And it would have taken time and all the forms and all the stuff and all the irritation. But, you know, avoided that because God was with me. And I just continually praise him for safety on the roads. And yesterday we were flying down I-25. And I’ll tell you, I’m telling you, I’m sure glad God takes care of us because there was a lot going on. We’ve got Joyce from Denver. How are you, Joyce?
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Hi. How are you all?
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Long time. I thought you went to heaven and didn’t tell us you left.
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How nice to hear from you. I just wanted to call you all and say to you that I know I’ve not been in contact for a while. But to let you know, I’m still loving you as much as ever. Oh, well, we are you also. Keep on keeping on.
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Well, thank you. How are you doing anyway?
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Oh, I’m blessed. Still blessed.
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Good. You sigh hearing your voice.
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Yeah.
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Well, I’ll tell you, people on Tuesday nights sure miss you.
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Well, they know that I love them all.
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Well, good.
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We’re just going to keep on moving with Jesus and join his resurrection life.
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Amen.
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Praise God. Just keep being a blessing.
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It’s a great time of year for Christians, isn’t it?
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Well, yeah, it is. Praise the Lord. Yeah, it was just kind of burning in my heart this morning. Just wanted to call you all.
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Well, I’m glad you touched base. We miss you.
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Yeah.
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Well, you have a wonderful day. All right, Ann. I do love you all.
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We love you, too. Real much. Okay. All right, Joyce. Bye-bye.
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Bye.
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She’s a special treat, isn’t she?
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That’s right.
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I was hoping I saw that on my computer screen. Joyce is a rather familiar name. I was hoping it was Joyce Joyce.
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You got another letter today at the post office.
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Oh, man, you’re going to have me crying again.
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From somebody that you have not heard from for 10 years.
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Ten years. I heard from Jacques Bovard in Switzerland, in BNBL Switzerland, and did a couple seminars over there. And it was such a joy to read his card. And he’s saying, come on over, stay with us. The flowers in the spring are great in Switzerland. I’ll tell you, I’d just jump on the plane in a minute. I’d just love to go do another meeting over there.
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Oh, and he said he appreciates so much what you taught them. And now they have two sons who have Christian wives and they’re living for Jesus. And even his wife calls you her spiritual dad. And that is such an honor to be called that. And also that he’s on the radio there and he’s a pastor. So praise God.
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Well, he’s an awesome communicator, and, you know, I saw him, and it used to just break my heart when I saw him. He would save and scrimp his money and take the cheapest ticket and go down, and he calls them campaigns. He’d go down preaching French in Africa, and he has a wonderful, wonderful ministry there, but I’ll tell you. What a man. And he actually was an attorney, got saved and left the legal profession and came to be an evangelist. And he’s a man I just take my hat off to. And it was really good to hear from him. I sat down and cried.
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I know you did. You came in the office and you said, oh, Barbara, I never thought I’d ever hear from this man again. Well, you know, especially after your own divorce. Right. Sometimes we build walls and we say, oh, well, you know, we’ll never hear from him again or we’ll never hear from her again. But I’ll tell you, Darren, I’ve been studying this marriage and divorce thing, and it has freed me, and I’m not a divorcee. But I’ll tell you, as I study this and I know of God’s love and mercy, oh, Darren, I can’t wait for next week. I’m just so excited about this.
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Well, we’ve got a repeat offender here. Gil, how are you doing?
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Hi. I hung a list. I hung up too soon this morning. I’m sorry.
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Oh, no, that’s okay. The engineer had to do some things, and he said when I got back to the guy, he’d hung up. So I knew we’d hear from you again. How are you doing?
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Oh, better, but, you know, still got my problem with that. I just thought I’d get back with you and see what I needed to do, so I didn’t want to eat up another half hour here.
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Oh, no, no, no. Listen, I enjoyed chatting with you this morning, and I know I believe a lot of people were blessed by your phone call, but if you want to hang on here, we’ll get your address, and I’ll get those tapes to you. I’ll hang. Okay, Gil. God bless you, brother. Thank you. Hold on.
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God, you know, some of these things, afflictions and things that the enemy has for some reason gotten a hold on us. Some of them don’t. They take a little bit longer. They take more faith. They take more faith building. They take more reading of the word. But that doesn’t mean God is going to not work in our lives.
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And, you know, some things we’ve had to pray for over and over and over a period of time. And sometimes the faith walk, you know, you you go by the word, you pray and then you start praising God and you praise him while the answer is being manifest.
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That’s right. You praise him and you praise him and you don’t question him. You don’t doubt. You don’t allow that doubt and unbelief to take even a foothold in your life because that totally destroys faith.
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And so, you know, as you hang on to the promises in the word. Now, the devil is going to tell you you’re flying straight into a wall and you’re going to wear down and give up and be a mess and be disappointed, be brokenhearted. But, you know, if you stay in the word, Barbara, you know this, but our listeners need to know you will get stronger and stronger and stronger, not weaker and weaker.
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That’s right. There are some teachings out there, Darren, that says healing is not for today. There are some teachings in this world that says, well, God doesn’t want everybody healed. There are some people that are sick, and it’s the glory of God that they’re sick. See, we’ve got to come to an absolute knowing that when Jesus died on the cross and he said, by my stripes, you are healed, it meant everybody. That’s right. Not just you and me or, you know, God bless Gil. I’m praying for him. He’s going to see his, and as he obeys God, hangs in there and obeys God and praises him, he’s going to see his healing.
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You see, if we could say now salvation isn’t for today, I mean healing, then we could say salvation isn’t for today. We could say, well, unless you were fortunate enough to meet the master personally.
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Or in apostolic times.
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Well, yeah, but I mean, then you’re out of it.
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That’s right.
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We don’t teach that. That isn’t scriptural. So when it says Jesus is the same today, and you know, having the name of Jesus, this is a revelation I got from F.F. Bosworth in his book.
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Oh, and we need to send that to Gil, too. Oh, man. That book.
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When I realized when I have the name of Jesus to use, it’s like exactly like having Jesus here. Now, when I first read that, it was a struggle for me to say, wow, you mean if I have the name of Jesus, it’s like having Jesus here in person. That’s what Jesus was saying. Whatever you ask in my name, that will I do that the father may be glorified in me. Well, that’s good news.
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That’s good news. Oh, that is great news.
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See, folks, what we’re here to tell you, we get excited. We’re radical in our excitement about Jesus because we see it working at our house, and we see it beginning to work in more and more people that we’re around. We teach, and we keep challenging them, and they challenge us, and whatever. We keep growing into faith. I wish we could sit here and say we know it all, but we don’t know it all.
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I’m glad we don’t know it all, though. I really am. I’m really glad we don’t know it all. We found out in studying this marriage thing that agreement is absolutely the most important thing. Right. As far as God is concerned with Jesus and Holy Spirit, they are always in agreement, but also as a couple. And we need to have that agreement in healing. We need to have that agreement in salvation. No doubt, fear, unbelief.
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Well, now you interpreting agreement in our house is do it your way. Right. Right?
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No. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no.
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But you know, a lot of people do interpret it that way. They say, if you just agree with me. But you know what we need to say as husbands and wives, what does the Bible say? And one of the greatest agreements you can have, make a deal with each other to say now. I’m not going to so much hold you accountable, my dear wife or my dear husband, to what I want, but let’s hold each other accountable to what the Word says.
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Agreement isn’t just holding the other one accountable.
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But see, that is an agreement we ought to make. We ought to make that kind of a deal.
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That’s right. Because the word agreement, Darren, does not only mean to be of one mind, but it means willing to adapt. That means willing to… to conform to that other person once in a while and so many in our marriages they’re saying if it’s not my way there’s the highway you know if it’s not my way it’s a high i heard somebody years ago say that not my way you get out of here highway i used to say that some of my employees you know i’d say hey i’m tired of talking about it you know let’s let’s do it my way Or the highway. So here in 2 Corinthians 6, we found out that God does not see anything else besides a spirit marriage. And he says here, do not be bound together or unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership have righteousness and lawlessness or light with darkness? What harmony has Christ with Belial? Or that’s a word for wickedness or worthlessness. Or what agreement has a believer in common with an unbeliever?
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Now, I’d like to stop at this point, Barb. We need to do some housekeeping here. Some of you are already calling and saying, I want the information. We won’t have it ready for you until sometime next week, and then we’ll tell you how to order it. We will be glad to share our notes with you along with the tapes of these broadcasts. And I’ll tell you, these tapes are going to get right out of the nitty-gritty. And many of you, as you’re going to find out, many of you have been believing the wrong things.
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That’s right.
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Now, let’s go back and talk about this thing about marriage when it gets started. We believe that only God can put hearts together. I believe that only God can truly bring a marriage together. It can’t be just, well, I like the way you bowl or I like the way that you play cards or I like the way that you ski. You also like jazz and I like jazz. You like country western, so let’s get married.
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Or Darren, you’ve said some things, and this is really quite controversial.
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I’ve said quite a few things that are controversial.
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There are some Christians who shouldn’t be married. Just because you’re a believer, You may not be on the same page. There are some Christians that are adamantly against tongues. There are other Christians that says the baptism of the Holy Spirit is with speaking in tongues. Now, if you get those two together in a marriage, man, you’re going to have a cap fight on your hands.
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And they rightly divide the word of truth from their emotional perspective many times.
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From their doctrine, from their tradition.
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And I’ve seen sometimes you get somebody that’s an outgoing, flamboyant person, and somehow they get married to a stick in the mud. And it never works. I’m telling you, they have a terrible time in their marriage, and they are not able, even through a lot of counseling, quote, unquote, and a lot of prayer by concerned Christians, they just don’t get it worked out.
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Well, in this day and age, everything’s so fast and so quick, and we get things so instantly that we think relationships need to be that way, too. And I still contend we need to know each other for a while before we take really serious steps in cementing this relationship.
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You really need to know how that other person spends money. Absolutely. That’s the biggest argument they say comes over money. Well, you need to know how one looks at spending. One may be a great spender and the other one’s a penny pincher, and that sometimes causes great grief, and sometimes it’s never worked out.
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Never.
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Now, one of the other things that we said on an earlier broadcast, and we kind of bring some of you new listeners, and some of you guys tune in and out, and we understand that. You can’t be with us every day, or maybe we’re too hard on you every day, and you can’t handle us every day. Maybe that’s a better way to say it, but I firmly believe that preachers don’t marry people. They may conduct a ceremony, but God’s the one that puts the people together, a church, a denomination.
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It says that in Matthew 19, 6, what God has joined together.
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God has joined.
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That’s right.
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And sometimes at the end of a ceremony, we’ll see a pastor stand up and say, now, by virtue of the authority vested in me by the da-da-da-da-da denomination, well, Rev, that’s nice wording, but you know, God’s the one that does the marrying of people. He’s the one that puts the people together.
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But the husband and wife sometimes conclude that it is the pastor or the clergy or the priest or the justice of the peace. Right. And we are going to go in today about loving that love that never fails. And we see marriages, Darren, even in a Christian church that are abominable. We see wives and husbands fighting like the world.
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Well, we see should not be. We see an arrangement called a marriage that may not indeed be a marriage. marriage according to biblical terms.
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Well, but if they’re two Christians, and especially if they’re two spirit-filled Christians, there needs to be a conforming to one another and adapting to one another. And I think there’s stubbornness and stiff neck in some of these marriages. We’re going to go through just a few verses on love. And I hope this convicts some of you if you’re having problems in your Christian. If you’re married to a Christian and you’re having problems in your Christian marriage, you need to sit down with these verses. And some of them are Romans 12, 10, 1 Corinthians 13. We rejoice in the truth, not just in symptoms, but the absolute truth. And you’re such a big one on symptoms, Darren. We don’t just fight over symptoms, but we try to get to the truth of the matter.
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Now, we’re talking about marriage now, and next week we’re going to be talking about divorce. And I just need to jump ahead here a little bit and say that divorce is only a symptom of something deeper.
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That’s right.
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We need to get these heart issues taken care of, and we can do that scripturally. If we will bow to the scriptures… But many times people are stiff-necked and whatever, and they’re not going by that love chapter in 1 Corinthians 13. In fact, I know a man here in Denver that’s really a sports character. I mean, he likes sports. That used to be his profession. Yet he couldn’t watch the Final Four of basketball because his wife drug him off to a movie. Now, I know him well enough to know he’d rather have been home watching that Final Four, deciding who was going to be the national champion. Now, many times I see a competition between husbands and wives, and I’ll pick on the wives for a minute. You picked on the men yesterday.
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We got a phone call, too, from a friend. Why are you always talking about the guy and not the woman?
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The guy running off and having an affair, and he says, just as many women have affairs. Thank you, Dave, for sticking up for the men. But here, many times we see a competitive thing where the wife wants to be, in this case, dominant. She wants to say, well, you’ve got to prove you love me more than you love that sport. So I want to go to a movie. Mm-hmm. Now, I’m going to tell you, I think that’s wrong when we’re pulling that kind of an ace out of the deck here and saying.
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Prove to me that you love me by going to.
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Why couldn’t she prove to him that she loves him and say, honey, I know you’d really like to watch the final four. Why don’t you watch the final four?
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But why do we put love in a category of that kind of fleshly love? Love is much deeper than whether you go to a sports event or whether you go to a movie.
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Yeah, but wait a minute. Here it says love is patient, love is kind, is not jealous. And I know some spouses are jealous of their partner’s interest in something that’s on television.
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Or their time, yes.
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And let’s pick on sports because Denver is a sports town. I mean, people are nuts here about sports. And I tend to agree that we’ve overemphasized sports. We have these sports worship centers, okay, called Bronco Stadium, and now we see the Pepsi Center coming up out of the ground, and we’ve got the Coors Field for the baseball. We do have to keep it in proper perspective. That’s right. But I think sometimes it’s a place where this marital conflict is carried out here.
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That’s right.
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And shouldn’t be.
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There’s this phrase here that says, love does not seek its own. And I think that’s what you’re talking about in partnership. There’s one of the partners is always seeking for his best interests or her best interest.
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Well, I commend you, Barbara. There’s some things that I like to watch on television that you don’t particularly like to watch, but you will bring me a cup of coffee and a piece of cake that I don’t really need.
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because you love me and it’s not a matter of pitting that particular thing that you don’t like there’s some things that you want to watch on television that I don’t like and I promise not to mention what they are but you’re more important than a television program and I’ve come to that conclusion in my life that if I miss my favorite movie or if I miss something that I’ve been looking forward to seeing that somewhere down the line if I submit to you and I love you at that moment God’s going to allow me to enjoy my time too
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Well, you happen to be a movie nut.
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Oh, I love movies.
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You like movies. I’m very sentimental.
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I’m nostalgic. Even the old movies on AMC, I love the Glenn Miller story and those kind of things. I like that kind of historical thing.
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But see, when I come in and you’re watching that, I try to honor that.
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I know you do.
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Even though I say, now, when’s that going to be over?
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I know. You don’t bash me. And if we do have something that’s more important than the movie, I gladly say, oh, this isn’t important. It’s just a thing that, you know, it’s a veg. Some of us are so busy all the time. And I know I’m talking to some of you who are listening.
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Now, what do you mean it’s a veg?
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Well, I’m explaining this. We’re so busy. We’re so into mental, mental stress all day long that some of us, when we get home, we like to just veg. I don’t have to think numbers. I don’t have to think problems, relationships, this kind of thing. I don’t have to think of filling one more order or that kind of thing. And we veg out. And you know what? I don’t think that’s a sin. And I believe God is giving us these opportunities with technology to have some enjoyment in life.
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But I think in a marriage, if they’re pitting a person’s interest, like, well, I’ll pick on sports again or something else, then I think it’s wrong. I think if we say, perform for me and prove you love me, if that’s where it is in the marriage, something’s wrong. Oh, that’s wrong.
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Absolutely. That’s wrong.
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Something’s wrong. I agree with that. All right. Let’s talk to Greta. How are you doing?
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Hi, Darren and Barbara. Hi. I’m good. I was listening to you guys, and I really appreciate your show.
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Thank you. Did we get your name right? Is it Greta?
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Yeah, it is. Greta.
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Okay.
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Uh-huh. And I’ve talked to you guys before. Actually, I think I’ve only talked to Darren. And anyways, I was calling to just say this is true, to always think of the other person, think of your mate, and… But it’s hard, you know what I mean? Because, I mean, I find a lot of times that I’m the one doing the giving.
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Uh-huh. Now, is your spouse, is he born again?
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Yeah.
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Okay, he’s a Christian. Yes. All right.
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He’s in a lot of pain now. He’s got a bad back. And so our lifestyle, it’s just,
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Well, does he want to be healed, Greta?
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Yeah, he sure does.
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Okay.
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And he loves the Lord. He does. And he just, whatever God’s purpose is in all of this.
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Okay, has he had the elders pray for him and anoint him? Okay, then he hasn’t taken step one yet.
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Well, actually, he has had an elder, one elder, pray over him and anoint him with oil.
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Let me ask you a question, Greta. Did that elder really believe in healing?
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Yes, I believe they did.
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Okay. Does your husband believe they did?
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I don’t know about that.
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Okay. Well, let me tell you what we think about healing. It seems to work a lot better if the person has a real revelation about healing. A lot of people don’t have a revelation about healing. That’s right. And that’s not to put them down, but I’ll tell you, when I have anything come against me, I want the person that’s laying hands on me to know that they know that Jesus can heal me and do it right now on the spot.
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I’ll tell you, we’ve seen so many bad backs. And, you know, our backs is a central station for our whole body. And we’ve seen so many backs healed, Greta. And your husband is, you know, we’re not special compared to your husband. And I just feel like… Our backs are easy to get healed. Oh, that’s right. And if he has this horrible stress on his life, God doesn’t want this. He doesn’t want this for your marriage or for his body.
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Right.
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And I believe he needs to really seek that. Study it, seek it, build his faith in it until he gets that healed. I really do. And then speak that back healed. Don’t say, my husband has a bad back. Say, thank you, Father, that my husband’s back is healed. And say those things that are not as though they were in Romans 4.17. You know that verse? You speak those things that are not as though they were, and that’s Romans 4.17. Yeah, but wait a minute.
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Wait a minute. I think, Greta, that the reason your husband’s back hasn’t been healed is there’s other things God wants to deal with.
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Uh-huh. Oh, yeah.
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4.17.
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Yes, I would agree that there are other things.
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You know, sometimes we carry spiritual burdens. Yeah. Sometimes we carry guilt or whatever. God wants to take that spiritual and emotional stuff away, which he’s highly motivated to do. And then the healing is just almost automatic.
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Absolutely. Wow. Yeah.
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You know, I prayed for people, Greta. In fact, I prayed for a young man up in Oregon. I was doing a meeting up there in Bend, Oregon. And I met this kid, and he was about, I don’t know, 20 years old. Handsome kid, but he was stooped over. And I knew he didn’t have anything physically wrong. I mean, that’s what the Holy Spirit told me. But when I prayed for him, God took the hurts out of his life. That could get stood up at least four inches taller because God took the burden off his life.
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He took the root out of his life. Yes. And, uh, boy, if you, if you have some Tuesday night free ever, if you ever do, I challenge you. We have a group of people there. I mean, their faith level is so high and we’ve seen this guy was on disability because of his back and he even got compensation, $25,000 compensation for his back and his back is so much better.
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So, uh,
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And we have, too, gotten compensation. Actually, we’ve spent $100,000 on his back. But that was through insurance. He’s been in a couple of car accidents. He was injured as a firefighter in the Air Force. A lot of things have happened. What kind of authority do I take in this? Because right now, all I am doing is sitting back and praying, and I’m in the Word. And I do get discouraged.
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Well, Greta, you can, first of all, you can break the curses. Right. When there’s repeated accidents, usually I say there’s a curse operating somewhere.
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Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
We have a couple tapes we called When the Curses Leave, or When Curses Go, Blessings Flow. Many people don’t realize how they’re getting blindsided and this stuff keeps coming up, you know, and say, oh, I’ve had another accident. Oh, something else has fallen apart, you know. And I believe we can break those curses. I know we can. And see God really bring the healing. That’s one thing, and you say, how can I pray? Well, that’s where I’d begin to pray is, God, what curses are operating against our family?
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s right. Now, do you have a power pack? Yeah, I do. Okay, now you take that card on infirmity in the flesh and also in the soul. If you feel like your husband, I know you’ve said he loves the Lord, but are there some things that he feels… not a bold in doing in the word or towards the Lord. You know, he’s not bold in his witness. Take that infirmities in the soul too. And, and say those cards for him and speak that every day, those verses. And those are going to that. See that we, Darren and I believe the word is the final authority here. Greta.
SPEAKER 05 :
The word works. Right. Amen. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s right. See, God’s doing a lot for you too. I can hear it in your voice.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, yeah. Praise the Lord. He is. He is. And I need to be more. I need to be faithful and just, you guys are so true when, I mean, memorizing the words, putting this newness of God in me, his word in me is taking a lot of stuff out.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I’ll tell you what, we’ve got about a minute, Greta. Would you like for us to pray for you?
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, absolutely. And the authority of my life in my husband’s as well as his in mine. All right.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’ll tell you what. After I pray for you, I want you to stay on the line and make sure we’ve got a correct address.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m going to slip you those two tapes on curses.
SPEAKER 08 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
And will you listen to them?
SPEAKER 08 :
I will.
SPEAKER 04 :
Good.
SPEAKER 08 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Lord, we thank you for our friend Greta on the line here. Lord, today I pray that you would give her revelation knowledge on how she can pray for her family, how she can pray for her husband. And Lord, also ask that there be a time when we could chat with her husband to get down to the bottom line, the root cause of why this back is not being healed. Because, Lord, it can be healed. And you paid for this kind of thing. It’s already paid for. The answer is on will call.
SPEAKER 08 :
Amen.
SPEAKER 04 :
We have to show up and apply and receive that. Amen. Thank you for Greta’s faith, and we just bless her today with the love of Jesus. Amen.
SPEAKER 06 :
Amen. Amen. He’s working on your behalf. God bless you. Okay, hang on.
SPEAKER 04 :
Stay on the line here. We’ll get to make sure we got your address right.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Hold on.
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877-917-7256
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