Join us in this riveting episode of the National Crawford Roundtable where John Rush and Bob Duco dive into the intricacies of Denver’s recent labor department audits targeting strip clubs. This episode explores the controversial reclassification of workers from independent contractors to employees, highlighting the potential ripple effects that could impact a myriad of industries, from barbers to construction. As John delves into the nuanced legal battles, we uncover the broader implications for businesses and workers alike.
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Welcome to another edition of the National Crawford Roundtable. I’m your host today, John Rush, out of Denver, Colorado. Rush to Reason is my show. Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan, The Bob Duco Show. And we are Neil-less today, Bob.
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I hate when that happens.
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I know.
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That’s okay. We’ll trash him behind his back. That’s exactly right.
SPEAKER 03 :
We’ll get him all ready for Christmas here as we’re coming up on that. Okay, I got several things to talk about today. And we’ll get us through as many of my topics as I can. But this is an interesting topic. And I told Bob and Neil, actually, after last week’s podcast, we will be talking about this today. And let me preface this with… i’m not how should i say this i’m not taking a particular side here because of the nature of the business i’m taking a side because of the nature of what’s being done to said business and let me explain so here in denver and this has been going on now for oh gosh several months i talked about this actually uh back this summer when i first learned about it so here in denver We have got the Denver Labor Department. In other words, they go in, do different audits, trying to determine, you know, is everything being done correctly in a business? And Bob, you’re a business, you know, previous business owner, you kind of know how some of these things works and so on. In this particular case, they have gone into several strip clubs in the city of Denver. determining whether the workers there are actually employees rather than contractors, as they’re listed right now. And I’ll get into some of the differences between those two. Bob, you know some of the differences. For some of you out there listening, you may not know. We’ll kind of explain that in a moment. But where I’m going with this is my feeling is, and I’ll get into some of the nuances of this particular situation, and they’ve actually already gone to a A judge has already gone to court already because the businesses are continuing to fight this. There’s been a district judge that is a liberal district judge that’s already ruled in favor of the city of Denver, which I’ll explain as well. But bottom line, the reason why I want to talk about this, Bob, is I feel like this is the left’s strategy. Believe me, the city of Denver didn’t pick these businesses out because they’re strip clubs and or they did because they know that strip clubs are hated by both sides. In other words, if they can get both the Christian right, the conservatives and the left to really make this a non-issue. In other words, nobody else in. By the way, there’s probably not another talk show in the country besides myself even talking about this. because most people don’t care about what happens at a strip club. I’m taking this from a totally different angle saying, this is the camel getting under the nose of the tent. Meaning if they can reclassify these workers in this business, Bob, the list is endless as to the other businesses they could do the exact same thing with. And this is nothing more than trying to, fleece more money out of employees and the businesses they’re in, meaning they’re going to punish these particular businesses. Hopefully, in some cases, maybe even they don’t care if they even shut them down. But there’s millions of dollars of back taxes that they’re trying to go after here by actually reclassifying these workers as hourly workers versus contract labor, Bob.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, here’s the thing. It’s been a while since I ran a couple of companies. And I had hourly employees and salary employees. And I also had independent contractors. And so I know you know both of them as well. Right. At the time. And I’m not trying to defend the state here in this case, okay, as far as a reclassification of employees. And I think both of us agree that we don’t really give a rip about what happens in the world of strip clubs. It’s not about that. It’s about the businesses themselves and the state. That’s right. But here’s the only thing, though. Back in the day when I was a businessman, John – It was difficult sometimes to classify people as independent contractors if you didn’t meet some particular criteria. Correct. In my day, the criteria was if you control their hours and if you control their working location, especially if it’s your own location like a brick-and-mortar place, if you say you have to work here, you can’t work outside of this place, you have to come to the physical brick-and-mortar business and I dictate your hours to you, then it’s more difficult to classify them as independent contractors. So I’m guessing a strip club is going to be telling the girls, you have to work here in the strip club, so you have to physically be here, and you have to physically be here during the shifts when most of the guys are going to be here with money in their hands. So playing devil’s advocate, isn’t that kind of an argument to say that they are functioning as W-2 employees, and so therefore they should be classified as that?
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re only partially right on the location because that’s not really correct. I mean, yes, having a physical location, requiring somebody to come and work at that physical location might be part of it. But for example, I’m a talk show host and I, for Crawford Broadcasting, am a contractor. And yes, I go to a physical location to actually do the job that’s required of me to do. So in that case, Bob… I would have to be classified as an employee. I don’t want to be classified as an employee. I set my own hours outside of what I do on air. Everything else I do in my world is done by me. And by the way, these girls are very much the same way. Most people may not know this, but dancers can pick whichever strip club they actually want to work at, dance at, for example. In some cases, they may actually dance at two or three, depending upon what shifts they’re able to have. And in some cases, they pay To even have that particular, which again is part of this whole dilemma as to are they contract labor workers or not. In a lot of cases, these are really their own business individuals. They decide where they’re going to work, what they’re going to do. And in some cases, there’s a floor charge per se on these particular individuals themselves. Much like Bob, where I worry about this is you start looking at all of the other businesses that operate in a similar fashion. Barbers, hair salon, nail salons, masseuses. I mean, Bob, I can go down the list even all the way down to framers on a house. And the reality is there’s a ton of contract workers out there. And my feeling is this is just another way of government figuring out a way to – because all of you listening – It’s much more lucrative for the state and the federal government to have you be a W-2 employee than it is for you to be a 1099, your own business contractor. Because as a contractor, you get some advantages tax-wise that you don’t get as an employee. So at the end of the day, Bob, yeah, they would love nothing better than to take every contract worker out there and make them an employee.
SPEAKER 02 :
Sure. Well, and there’s no doubt that the Democrats, the liberals, they’re always looking for a way to increase the size of government and government control. There’s no doubt about that. So if there’s a chance to, hey, let’s increase some government revenue by reclassifying them, that’s fine. I suppose what I would have to do is I would have to look at exactly what the criteria are for all the other people that you were naming. Because you’re right, there’s hair salon workers, there’s just – A bunch of people up and down the line. Boatload. Right. And so if they are able to maintain a categorization of independent contractor and then the strippers are not, then it seems to me this ends up being an issue for the courts because you get a lawsuit on behalf of – you get a handful of plaintiffs from various of these other kind of independent contractor – well, actually the strippers themselves. They’re the ones who it seems would bring the lawsuit. Right.
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But they haven’t. Here’s the catch. It’s the city of Denver that’s actually bringing the lawsuit. The strip clubs are simply defending. And most of the girls that have been interviewed, of course, you’re always going to find that one off, Bob, that wants to be an employee. Probably somebody that’s even new that doesn’t understand the advantages of being your own business. But anybody that’s done this for a while wants to be their own business because at the end of the day, it’s beneficial to them to do so. Right. Well, it’s not the girls that are bringing this lawsuit. In fact, most of them, because it’s not girls, there’s some bartenders and so on that are even associated with this. So it’s not just, you know, the strippers themselves. It’s actually, or I should say dancers, strippers, whatever. At the end of the day, the performers, it’s also some of the bartenders and some other folks in that particular area that, again, that bartender might work at multiple places, not just one. At the end of the day, here’s, and I know we got to talk about our sponsors here in a minute, but My fear with this is, again, this is the city of Denver in this case being very calculated in the type of business they’re going after, knowing that there’s a lot of folks on the Christian right especially that would look at this and say, I really don’t care what happens to them. Classify them as employees and let’s move on because if that’s what it takes to actually shut these places down, let’s do so. The problem is you may very well own a business that this affects at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 02 :
But would this be – what they’re doing with the strip clubs, would this serve as some kind of precedent to lead over into a bunch of other businesses?
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. And thank you, Bob. That’s ultimately – and what I’ve talked about on air many times is – It’s not the strip club end of it that concerns me. What concerns me as a business owner is you’re right. This is going to bleed into all sorts of other businesses on down the road. So everybody that’s out there saying, I don’t really care what happens. There’s a strip club. Who cares? You should because it’s going to set precedence for maybe your own business. Yeah.
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Well, and there’s a fair argument to make in that. I guess in a philosophical sense, I would argue that it’s almost like, okay, well, who would my sympathies lie more for, the strip club or the strippers that work in the strip club? Obviously, neither one of them are on our radar screens. But if I had to pick a lesser of the evils, I’d say the greater of the evils are the strip clubs themselves exploiting the women and blah, blah, blah. And then the women are probably the lesser of the evils, but it’s all one big evil category. So in other words, I hate what the strip clubs themselves do more than I hate what the women do, even though I hate what the women do. So it’s just the strip clubs to me are way – For me, that’s not even the – I mean, everything you say – Right, but it’s not – but that’s the – exactly. I agree. That’s the philosophical way that I look at it. Business-wise – I get what you’re saying. If this could be separated so it didn’t bleed into other things, other independent contractors being reclassified as employees, then I guess I would be like the Christian who goes, who cares what happens in the strip industry? But I do care if it means that suddenly the local roofing company is not allowed to have their roofer be an independent contractor anymore.
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Absolutely. And my point with this story for everybody listening is this, please.
SPEAKER 02 :
My feeling on this, Bob, is— Oh, you’re sticking up for it. You’re only trying to defend the four strip clubs that we all know you own, John.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s exactly right. That’s exactly right. At the end of the day—and this is tough for me because I get the moral sides of this. Trust me, folks. Everybody listening, I fully understand that. But believe me. If you think for one second, and I’ve said this so many times on air, if you think for one second that the city of Denver, that Denver Labor actually cares about these girls and or that the left actually cares about these girls or the workers that are in these particular establishments, let me tell you what, they don’t care. This is nothing more than them picking a particular business. that they know they could gain traction and sort of run under the radar because they’re not going to get a lot of pushback. If, in fact, Bob, this was the roofing industry, you would have the roofing industry itself. You would have all sorts of backlash. You’d have all sorts of trade organizations against it. They know that would be a big uphill battle. So what they’ve done, in my opinion, is they have picked an industry that, whereby most everybody out there, right, left, and otherwise, can’t stand them anyway. So they know they can really run under the radar, set a precedence for changing contractors to employees, and at the end of the day, then use that to go after us. Because by the way, this is big dollars. Denver Labor is ordering just two clubs alone to pay $14 million in in back wages that they feel is owed to them. So, Bob, this isn’t chump change. This is a big, big deal. And believe you me, they’re using this to set precedents to then go after other businesses when this is done. Trust me in that.
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Okay. Is it possible, and I’m going to play devil’s advocate with you again. I’m not saying I’m necessarily arguing this side, but I do want to throw this side out there, okay? As a Christian… Can we maybe look at this like if it puts the strip clubs out of business, let them do it. And then if they try to turn this into a precedent for other types of businesses and contractors, then we fight tooth and nail on that particular one. So let’s let the strip clubs close down, be bankrupted, and then save this fight for another day when it’s a non-strip club.
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And I would come back and say this is nothing more than we just talked about pre-born and the abortion issue we have in this country where they have slowly just step by step gone after things. And I think we’ve even had consign that. some of that same attitude in the past, Bob, when it comes to things like that. Well, you know, let’s not fight this battle. We’ll fight the next one. Problem is Bob, that next one becomes that much harder and that much harder and that much harder. We have to fight every battle.
SPEAKER 02 :
This one. Okay. Now let me throw in another devil’s advocate thing here. All right. Is it possible? Crazy as it sounds that the people in Denver are, the liberals in Denver are actually saying, let’s go after an unsavory place because it’s unsavory and that a moral message is being woven into this, which is very rare to see anybody on the left doing something that’s morally positive. And the only reason I say that is because here in Michigan, remember during COVID, one of the things that I talked a lot about on my show here is that Gretchen Whitmer, our governor, well, during COVID, When businesses were shut down, they were trying to shut down churches. You know who wasn’t shut down? The strip clubs were allowed to stay open because they were considered essential businesses. Marijuana dispensaries were allowed to stay open because they were considered essential businesses. However, churches were considered essential businesses. And so we’re just like, okay, well— So they had this sleazy view of, hey, let’s consider the strip clubs essential. So I guess I’m trying to figure out how do we reconcile that attitude with the liberal mindset towards strip clubs and then transfer that? Because I’ve got to imagine that Gretchen Whitmer and Jared Polis are probably somewhat similar in the way that they think.
SPEAKER 03 :
I would imagine so as well. And my feeling on this is that because this thing is really running under the radar and they’re really not even getting much of a moral message out of this because, believe me, I’m probably, and I’m not exaggerating, the only talk show host and probably anybody in Denver that’s even covered this media-wise at all because it’s really being swept under the rug by most media because of the nature of what it actually is. So at the end of the day, Bob, there’s been very little press coverage given to this. And that was, in my opinion, that was their plan all along knowing that, wait a minute, if we can not have a lot of backlash and we can go after this particular business at the end of the day, we now have an open door to go after other businesses. And by the way, they will do so.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, well, and you are most likely right about that. I know they’ll look for any means to be able to do that. I guess if there was any pushback I would give, it would be that, John, let’s not kid ourselves, they’re going to do that anyway.
SPEAKER 03 :
If they’re going to do that anyway, even if the strip clubs— They probably will, but you also know, because you’re in this world as much as I am, anytime they get, quote-unquote, a feather in their cap that they can run off of, and get some sort of, I mean, this thing’s probably going to go to the Supreme Court before it’s over with. Trust me, they’re going to continue to appeal this new appeal as whether the Supreme Court ever takes it on or not. Who knows? But this thing’s going to continue to go up the ranks on the court end of things. Trust me on that. And believe me, they’re going to fight tooth and nail to make sure they win. And if they do, and they have even a higher court ruling that says, yep, you know what? All you guys out there, you roofers and you manicurists and so on, you guys all think that you’ve got contract laborers working for you. Guess what? You don’t.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, you know what? I hate to say this, but it’s probably going to come down. First of all, Supreme Court, you’re right. No doubt they’re going to have to get involved in this at some point. It’s probably going to come down to the minutia of defining specifically what the criteria are for W-2 employee. And I know there’s criteria already, but it sounds like this could end up being a 1,000-page statement. The thing about, OK, well, now this particular type of business, here’s the control that you have as far as the hours that they work and the location. And I can see a lot of different branches on that tree of clarifying what the criteria are for separation between the two. And maybe that’s what it ends up being, some kind of – does the Supreme Court really write all of the branches to that tree? I don’t see how they do. So I’m not sure how this gets cleaned up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and here’s my fear. As a business owner, I don’t want anybody going down this path in the first place. Leave it alone. Leave it like it is. For the most part, I get it. There are some businesses that probably cheat when it comes to having somebody that’s really not a contractor, should be an employee. And yes, Bob, you know as well as I that even after all of this, some of that’s still going to go on no matter what. But I would tell you, I think for the most part, between, you know, the accountants that help with these businesses and so on. I think most are pretty up and up when it comes to, are you really a contractor or are you an employee? And I think for those of us like myself that are contractors, I understand the value, by the way, in being a contractor. I don’t want to be an employee. Frankly, I don’t think I could ever work for anybody else as an employee because I’m too much, you know, you know me, Bob, I don’t think I could do that. But at the end of the day, This could have huge ramifications, even for folks like myself, given what we do in the media and so on. There’s a lot of folks just like me where we’re contract laborers doing other things outside of what I even do on my particular show. And at the end of the day, I don’t want to be classified as an employee. And frankly, in this particular case, these girls don’t want to be either. This is simply, in my opinion, another overreach of government. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, you know, to me, John, here’s the takeaway from this, and here’s what everybody just needs to remember, okay? When it comes to fighting for strip clubs, John is their champion. And so… So, John… So you can email John at IStandWithStripClubs.com. There you go. There you go. But it’s an important point that you make. It is. You’re right. A sleazy business that we have no interest in whatsoever, we have to recognize what effect that could have on the rest of us. And that’s my point.
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s a lot of Christians out there, Bob, that are listening, a lot of Christian owners even that are listening, and there’s a lot of folks listening probably, again, that could really— They could really care less what happens in this particular battle and probably even look at and think, yep, you know, hooray for Denver. They’re going to reclassify these people. It’s going to help the girls out at the end of the day. Well, frankly, it’s not because I can get into all the minutia of the advantage of being a contract laborer versus an employee. So, no, you are not helping out these girls, these performers. any way, shape, or form. You’re actually going to harm them at the end of the day. This is nothing more than the city of Denver trying to reclassify, in my opinion, multiple businesses on down the road. They’re just starting with the easiest ones first.
SPEAKER 02 :
All right. So plain and simple, let’s not strip them of their independent contractor status.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Good one, Bob. Good one.
SPEAKER 02 :
Hey, no pun intended.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. And this one I know you’ve covered as well, so I’m not going to spend a lot of time here. But talk to us, and you know far more about what’s going on in Minnesota that’s closer to where you guys are actually at in Michigan anyways. I mean, it seems like every single day, Bob, there’s more news coming out about the just rampant, I’m going to call it what it is, rampant theft of taxpayer dollars in the state of Minnesota.
SPEAKER 02 :
And you know what? This has actually been going on for years. Yes. We’ve got to remember, first of all, the Somalis, these are Muslims. Somali is a Muslim nation. Minnesota has the largest population of Somalis anywhere in the United States, and most of them are in Minneapolis. This is a scam that’s been going on for a long time. claiming that they’re using this money to feed poor children when instead they’re taking that money and buying themselves luxury properties and land and mansions and things like that over in places like Kenya and other places in Africa. And while we’re at it, there’s now multiple reports that say much of that money has gone to al-Shabaab, which is the largest jihadi Islamic terrorist organization operating out of Somalia. Wow. For something like this to be going on, and you got people like Ilhan Omar, oh, no, that’s not the case at all. We’re defending the Somalis, and they’re really the victims. This is absolutely absurd. And Tim Walz, who’s the Democrat governor, here’s what we got to remember. This has happened under his nose, under Tim Walz’s nose. But Tim Walz… If Kamala had won the election, he would be vice president right now of the United States. OK, a guy who was allowed. And by the way, you know who the attorney general is in Minnesota? Keith Ellison, who is a Muslim. OK, so this has happened in the mainstream press. ABC, NBC, CBS has shown practically zero interest in the story whatsoever. Imagine if this were Ron DeSantis in Florida.
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Welcome back. Second half, National Carver Roundtable. Appreciate you all listening. Myself, John Rush out of Denver, Colorado. My show, Rush to Reason. Bob Duco from Detroit, Michigan. And his show is, of course, The Bob Duco Show. And then Neil Boron, who’s normally with us, is out. Neil’s having some medical things get handled. And, you know, Bob, one of those things as we get older. That’s a pedicure. Let’s not kid ourselves.
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Yeah, there we go.
SPEAKER 03 :
There we go. What I was going to say is, you know, time is a respecter of no one, Bob. That’s right. It’s just the way it is. All right. Before we move on, I do want to finish up with the whole thing going on in Minnesota. And the question I have for you, Bob, is we have more and more exposure going on when it comes to what’s happening in Minnesota. Like you said, over a billion dollars. I watched an interview with a TSA agent that came forward as a whistleblower basically saying, you know, she was she was viewing literally suitcases of cash that were running through the airport, going to other countries, as you mentioned earlier, Bob, verifying the very thing that you just said and all the while thinking, what in the world?
SPEAKER 02 :
is going on now they had all of the documentation everything you know quote unquote legal so there wasn’t anything they do could stop them from doing it but in the back of her mind she’s thinking to herself where is this money coming from that’s our tax dollars bob that’s right that’s right and this is what’s so obscene about this and you know i i call out the mainstream media a lot for their their bias and their outright corruption and this is a perfect example of that okay this is taxpayer money And the mainstream press, for the most part, is just not interested in this story. And it’s because Tim Walz, number one, he’s a reflection of Kamala Harris. So you take Tim Walz down, that drags Kamala Harris and her perception down, if it can go down any lower. And then secondly, there’s a lot of people thinking that Tim Walz may have a 2028 run in him. And so the press is desperately trying to cover for him right now to protect his image. But my goodness, this is such absolute corruption. And again, where’s the attorney general of the state, Keith Ellison? Oh, that’s right. He’s a Muslim as well, liberal left wing, Marxist Muslim, Democrat. And so they are allowing this kind of thing to go on, a billion dollars in taxpayer fraud.
SPEAKER 01 :
It’s amazing.
SPEAKER 02 :
And it’s politically incorrect because, you know what, these aren’t just Somali Muslims. These are African Muslims. Okay, these are black Somali Muslims. And so, therefore, with the political correctness thing, we can’t demonize them. We can’t go after the criminal element. This is criminal. And of all things, it’s money that’s supposed to be earmarked for feeding hungry children, poor hungry children. Right. By the way, which are mostly minority children that didn’t get the food that they’re supposed to get because the money instead is going to al-Shabaab, the largest Islamic jihadi terrorist organization in Somalia. This is obscene. Shame on the press for not making a massive, massive scandal out of this.
SPEAKER 03 :
So then the question I have, Bob, along these lines, and of course I don’t know the answer to this, don’t know that we ever will, how many other instances of this is there across the country, by the way?
SPEAKER 02 :
I can’t even imagine. You can’t help but wonder. Look, I think about it, it’s not just because it’s a Somali Muslim thing. I mean, here in Michigan, okay, I broadcast out of WMZ Studios in Detroit. We’re three miles up the road from Dearborn, Michigan, the largest concentration of Muslims in the United States, okay? And Minnesota is the largest concentration of Somali Muslims in the United States. So I don’t know what kind of stuff might be going on in this Democrat state right now. I don’t know what kind of crime, what kind of corruption and fraud is going on in places like California, in New York, in Illinois. I can’t help but wonder that stuff. This has been happening. By the way, this isn’t something brand new. This has been going on for years. And it’s just that conservative media hasn’t really decided to do a deep dive into this. And now they’ve said, yeah, this is crazy. We need to be making an issue out of this.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. One area, by the way, that you’re not going to see funds mismanaged or not spent in the right way is pre-born, Bob.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s very true. As a matter of fact, Preborn is the main pro-life group that shows ultrasound images in pro-life centers all across the country. It’s a tremendous organization. I’d love to say that every pro-life center is equipped with an ultrasound machine. and that everyone is also operating as much as they needed to. But that’s just not the case. Fact is that the demand is bigger than the supply, folks. So here’s what we need from you folks in the audience. And I know many of you have given a pre-born multiple times. Please keep on giving. We’re coming up on the end of the year. A lot of people looking for some nice tax write-offs. So here’s a couple ways you could do this. Number one, we need some of you out there to buy ultrasound machines. They’re 15 grand a piece. This is pre-born. 100% of your money goes to the ultrasound machine, not a penny for overhead. That’s all covered by private donors. So can we get some of you out there? We’ve had listeners already that have bought them for 15 grand a piece. Can we get some of you to do that again or do that if you haven’t already? For the rest of you that’s like, I can’t buy a machine. Okay, great. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to save one baby’s life, to change one mom’s mind. So how many babies’ lives will you save? Take $28 times fill in the blank. Maybe it’s 100 babies. That’s $2,800. What can you give? Any amount. Same thing, 100% goes to the ultrasounds, nothing for overhead, all covered by private donors. So we need you to either buy an ultrasound machine for $15,000 or… Pay for an individual number of ultrasound images, $28 times whatever number you can do. Either way, go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. They also answer the phones 24-7. You can give over the phone if you want. 833-850-BABY. That’s 833-850-BABY. But hey, listen, when you go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. Also click on SunPowerLED because John, SunPowerLED uses this photobiomodulation, which is really incredible as far as technology and the way that it helps people heal in a completely natural way.
SPEAKER 03 :
Sure does. And again, I’m on the website right now, folks, looking. And as I said in the last half hour, multiple devices to do whatever you need for your particular self, for you and your family. I’ve used it on our pets, by the way, as well. So by the way, it’s safe to use on anyone, including a pet. There’s no issues along those lines at all. Some would say, well, gosh, is there a limit to how much I can use it? Am I going to do any damage by using it? And so on. Of course, follow all the instructions that these would come with. But at the end of the day, No, this is very safe, very effective, very easy to use, multiple devices to do whatever you need for your particular situation, whatever you’ve got going on. And as Bob just said a moment ago, at the end of the day, does this work? It absolutely does. Bob, myself, Neil, we’re all living proof that it does. I use the device on a fairly routine basis. And again, as I said, use it even on my dog. And does it work for healing and promote all of that? It absolutely does. SunpowerLED.com is the website. You can also find them at CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Don’t forget to use Roundtable 10 for a 10% discount. All right, Bob, this is something that I really didn’t want to talk about because, frankly, we shouldn’t have to. But Erica Kirk. She’s taken heat, of course, a lot from the left where they’re telling her that, you know, she’s just this crazy lunatic, Christian conservative, even has a Christian conservative haircut and this, that and the other. And she’s not grieving enough and so on. And she’s just out, you know, grifting and fundraising and so on. And by the way, there’s even some folks on our side of the aisle that are criticizing her for, quote unquote, not grieving long enough. And my, you know, my outright criticism. How should I say this? My outright conversation of those individuals is shut up. You have no idea what she’s doing internally. You have no idea how she’s grieving. And the last thing I would say, Bob, and you know this as well as anybody, myself included, though, everybody grieves differently. So be quiet when it comes to this.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely. You know, John, I want to tell a little kind of a personal anecdote, a personal story to back up exactly the point that you’re making. OK. Most of my listeners here in Detroit know that my wife and I have had seven children, one daughter and six boys. OK. My oldest child, my daughter, Colleen, when she was 17 years old, she died suddenly. She actually died in my arms. And she was having a conversation with me, and her last words were, Dad, I feel dizzy. And she fell into my arms. Her heart just stopped beating. The autopsy could not figure out why her heart stopped beating. And she just, she literally, I buried my 17-year-old daughter. Talk about a shock out of the blue. Now, John, I can’t even exaggerate to you how close my daughter and I were. I mean, she was Daddy’s little girl. So this absolutely ripped my heart out, okay? Right. I still had a show to do. OK, now I took a couple of weeks off. And in retrospect, I wish I would have taken off more than two weeks, but I took a couple of weeks off. I came back my first day back. My entire show was devoted to talking about my daughter. OK, and I’m choking up and I’m trying to hold it together as best I can. But by the second day back. I realized, John, that I have a job to do. I have a responsibility. I mean, people are still tuning in. And my show can’t be turned into the, hey, it’s the Bob Grieving show. So you know what I would do? I would, for probably the first several months, six months to a year, I kept a box of Kleenex right there on the studio desk. I’d come back from commercial break. I’d be doing my show, talking like normal, interviewing people. Nobody would pick up anything that’s wrong. Okay. And if I could feel myself starting to break up, okay, then I’d be like, okay, you got to go to commercial break. We’ll be right back. Little did my audience know it was because I just was going to break down. And so then my engineer would be talking to me. It was like, Bob, we’ve been on commercials now six minutes. You ready to come back? All right. I got my composure back. Let’s bring me back. Okay. And then we come back and I’m talking like normal. Now, I suppose you could have people listening going, boy, you know, that Bob, his daughter dies and he’s not grieving like he should. And I would say, you know what? I don’t use foul language, so I’m not going to say it. But if I did, I would say blank you. You have no idea what I was going through behind the scenes. And John, that’s exactly how I look at Erica Kirk. She puts on a brave face and she keeps on about the business of her husband. She’s keeping on about the business of Charlie Kirk. She’s continuing his legacy. She’s promoting the book that he wrote. good for her for having the courage to work through that. We have no idea how much extra makeup she has to keep to touch up her makeup all the time because she’s probably breaking down crying in between every time the camera’s on. I know because I was breaking down crying every time my microphone was shut off during commercial breaks. So I would say leave her alone. Let her grieve through this.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right. And Bob, to your point, everybody’s different. Some of you guys know I don’t have the same type of story that Bob has, but I lost my mom a little over a year ago. She died two days before my birthday. It was a Thursday. As you guys all know, I do shows six days a week, so I have my Saturday shows that I do as well, two of them. And Bob, for me, which I think some of my listeners were surprised at, probably even some of them thinking the same thing that they are about Erica. My mom died Thursday. I was back on air. on saturday was that hard to do uh personally for me bob my personal self and everybody’s different and erica by the way might be more like myself i have no idea i don’t know her on a personal basis for me bob to not be sitting around and and crying and doing some of those things i have to work for me going back to work it’s therapeutic some of these things is actually more therapeutic for me right than sitting around at home so for me it was like okay i took friday off got some things done yeah had some cry sessions and all of that And but by the time Saturday rolled around, I knew, listen, I’ve got things I’ve got to do. I’ve got an audience that I have to take care of. And at the end of the day, you know, sponsors and so on. And there’s things that I have to do. So at the end of the day, you know, I was back on it. By the way, I’m not boasting about that. I’m saying for me personally, that’s my way of dealing with grieving. Everybody does it different is my point, Bob. Right.
SPEAKER 02 :
And you’re absolutely right, John. And look, when my mom died, I took a couple of days off. Okay. And I was back and I was still grieving the loss of my mom. Absolutely. I still do today, Bob. Yeah. I mean, with my daughter, no, I couldn’t get back on in a couple of days. It was all I could do to get back on in a couple of weeks. Correct. But but still, no. Look, we John, you and I are we’re professionals. OK, we have a job. We have a responsibility to do. If you were a police officer, it’d be like, OK, I got to get out there and do my job again. I get what we have to keep. We have responsibilities that we have to live to. But that doesn’t mean, by the way, so does she. We don’t. Exactly. That’s exactly my point. In other words, John, you and I are professionals. Guess what? So is Erica Kirk. Erica Kirk is an executive. She has a responsibility to carry on Turning Point USA. There are thousands and thousands of people that depend on Turning Point USA, and she has a responsibility to further that mission. She can’t just curl up in a fetal position under a table. So you know what she does? She goes out there and she puts on a brave face and And she does the responsible job that she is supposed to do, just like you do, just like I do. All right. And then she leaves the grieving privately when the cameras are off. I have no doubt that she’s bawling like a baby because I know I did. OK. And so, of course, she is. So, no, I cannot stand when people see a tip of the iceberg and then they form opinions based on limited information. It makes my eye twitch.
SPEAKER 03 :
And again, folks, those of you listening, please hear me in this because I’ve seen the comments. I know some of the people that make some of these comments because some of them come up on my Facebook feed and you know the history of some of these people. And Bob, let me tell you what, it’s not just the left that is attacking her in this. We have got solid Christian conservatives on the right saying things like, you know, when my son died, it took me six months to get back to normal. I have no idea how she’s doing what she’s doing. And the reality is she’s not you. That’s the answer.
SPEAKER 02 :
She’s not back to normal. She’s not back to normal. Yeah, thank you.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, good point, Bob.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, because back to normal is during a break when the cameras are off or whatever. It’s like, okay, just have a normal conversation with people. It’s not, okay, the cameras are off. Now I’m going to go back in my room and have another 20-minute cry before I come out here and get my composure again and touch up my makeup, okay? That’s not back to normal. So this notion that, oh, she’s just going on living on her life like nothing happened. This is nothing more than people, including conservatives, who have never actually walked through it themselves. That’s right. That are judging someone else based on limited information. That’s exactly right. And that’s absolutely baloney. I guarantee you, take any of those people that are making those statements, let them be a fly on the wall during her private moments. And then they’ll be like, oh, I guess I shouldn’t have accused her of not grieving properly.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep. And again, so folks, especially those that are on our side of the aisle, please be careful in what you say, what you comment on, even what you would repost that somebody else might say. I can’t stress that enough. Switching gears a little bit, Bob, here, because the Fed meets today. Granted, we talk on Wednesday mornings. They’re meeting later this afternoon. Of course, a hearsay out there that they may do another quarter point cut. And the one thing I want to talk about, because, you know, right now, Donald Trump, we even talked about this a little bit last week when it comes to the economy and inflation and so on. You know, he’s sort of taking it on the chin that, you know, everybody even on the left is accusing him of, you know, we just don’t have things as affordable as they should be. And this, that and the other. Granted, we just had a great, you know, Black Friday and. Cyber Monday. But, you know, regardless, Bob, at the end of the day, and this is one thing that I argue constantly, even with those that are in the financial sector that consider themselves to be professionals, the very policies, because I’m a business owner, I understand this, the very policies that the Fed has right now in keeping rates up because of the The battle that’s going on between Jerome Powell and Donald Trump in and of itself creates inflation. Let me add one more thing to prove my point. The national debt, which, by the way, gets recirculated in some cases on a monthly basis. And as the rates are higher, the amount of debt that we as taxpayers have to pay and enter the amount of interest on that debt that we have to pay as taxpayers increases. You know, continues to increase, meaning, Bob, we have to print more money to cover that because we don’t have enough money in the budget to actually do so. So my point is the Fed in and of itself right now, currently, in my opinion, is the biggest cause of inflation.
SPEAKER 02 :
It absolutely is. I could not agree with you more. And when we’re forced to print more money, as you know, that just devalues it, weakens the dollar that much more. And it dilutes the strength of it. So, no, the Fed is, in my opinion, Jerome Powell is being a left-wing guy who’s actually trying to interfere in the midterm elections for next year. He’s trying to keep the economy sputtering. He doesn’t want inflation to get down to 1.5%. He wants to keep it at least around 3%. He doesn’t want the housing market to start exploding before the elections next year. So he is very much being a partisan in this, and he’s politicizing the Fed. And I just think that that’s wrong. One thing I got to say, though, John, about Trump taking it on the chin for the economy. And I agree with you. As you look at the polls and a lot of Americans, unfortunately, they’re not they’re not giving Trump credit for the things that he really has accomplished. I mean, first of all, in just a few short months, the guy has secured the border. He stopped the flow of drugs flowing into this country the way that he is by land and by sea. OK, so. He has been taken on crime large. He’s got eight peace deals around the world. I mean, look at the things that the guy has actually really been accomplishing. It’s some huge stuff, but he does need to bring it to the economy. He’s renegotiated trade deals. So we’re going to be set up for a generation, businesses in America with better trade deals now that future presidents are going to be able to benefit from. So all of that is good. But there is an area, John, where I think the American consumer is a little bit naive about how economics work. Here’s what a lot of people are thinking. They’re thinking that, well, when Donald Trump was president, it was cheaper for me to go to the grocery store. And, you know, my monthly bills were lower than they are. After four years of Joe Biden, they went up so high. So now that Donald Trump is in, I expect them to go back to what they were four and a half years ago, five years ago. That’s not realistic. As you know, inflation, it doesn’t go up and down like a roller coaster. Inflation goes up like a staircase. OK, up sideways, up sideways, up sideways. So whatever. And this is what people didn’t realize about the four years of damage that Joe Biden did. When things are getting more – when it’s like a 9 percent inflation they get up to, it’s not like we’re going to run negative 9 percent inflation to offset that.
SPEAKER 03 :
In fact, that’s deflation now and that’s the opposite of what you want, Bob.
SPEAKER 02 :
Exactly. And you can’t – right. And so this is what people don’t realize. The damage it’s done with Joe Biden’s high inflation is permanent inflation. That’s exactly right. The only thing that Trump can do now is try to reduce the amount to slow the growth of growth of inflation. So what people need to realize is if you if you why filled up my grocery cart for 400 bucks under Donald Trump and now it’s 600 bucks under Joe Biden. The Trump cannot get it back down to 400. All he can do is make it just go from 600 to 650 instead of 600 to 800. That’s all he can really do because you can’t go backwards. It only accumulates upward. Individually, there’s some things. Eggs might go down here. Gas prices fluctuate. So there’s some individual things that can roller coaster. But across the board, as your average living expenses go, it’s only rates of increase. Trump is reducing the rate of increase. That’s what he needs to be getting credit for.
SPEAKER 03 :
And this is where, as you know, Bob, I love Donald Trump. i support him as much as i possibly can i don’t agree with him on every single thing that he does by the way this is one of the areas that i think he made a huge mistake on him coming out saying i’m going to lower prices what he should have said is i’m going to stabilize prices in fact he should have even added to what to that particular conversation what you just said once inflation has hit the damage is done i can’t reverse that all i can do is stabilize things moving forward and help you all out in individually at home By doing so. But I cannot guarantee you that I can reduce inflation because, in fact, we don’t want that because that’s now deflationary and that hurts the economy.
SPEAKER 02 :
I know. And, John, you know what? I don’t think he could have got away with saying that. Look, you’re absolutely right. That is the truth. But I don’t think your average rank and file American is going to get that. They just don’t understand it, do they? It’s too inside economics. And then the Democrats will just come out and say, see, Trump is saying he doesn’t even want to lower prices. He says he can’t. Well, we tell you we can. And I don’t think your average American is going to be able to figure that out because they don’t understand inside economics enough. So I don’t think he had any choice but to say, I’ll lower prices and then let people learn that, hey, I’m slowing the rate of growth. You’re probably correct. There’s a political reality here.
SPEAKER 03 :
You’re right. Okay, as we close out the show, and I just threw this in last minute. I didn’t tell you about this on the front side, but I’m sure you’ve seen the news. Australia’s social media ban for kids that are 16 years of age and under. Will that come to the United States of America? Highly doubt it. Not sure it’s even going to pan out for those that are in Australia. And, you know, Bob, I guess first thoughts, what are your thoughts about a social media ban for kids 16 and under?
SPEAKER 02 :
I know. You know what, John? I got such mixed emotions about this because the libertarian blood that runs through me, which is not as thick as your libertarian blood, but the libertarian blood in me says, you know, don’t do stuff like that. But then I also think to myself, I don’t mind having a ban on pornography for minors. I don’t have a problem having a ban on abortions for minors, on trans surgery for minors. So there’s certain decisions that I don’t have a problem saying we need to restrict people who are too young to be able to process this information from certain things that are dangerous or harmful for them. Now, the question is, does social media rise to that level? In some cases, it could. They’re going to get around it, of course. I know that. But they get around it with pornography and they get around it with drugs. But that doesn’t mean that the answer is to legalize everything. So I honestly, John, I really am torn on this. But I lean towards saying, let’s go ahead and have the ban because if it’s legislating and protection of children in any way, I’d rather trend in that direction instead of in the free-for-all direction.
SPEAKER 03 :
So that’s… Yeah, and where I’m probably more… I mean, I’m along the lines of you. My problem is the age. I get it. When you’re 16, your mind isn’t fully developed. Although, and I’ll use myself as an example. I mean, you know, Bob, you know, during the summer months and spring breaks and so on, by the time I was, you know, 13, I mean, I had a paper out at nine and was working full time, you know, in the automotive world when I wasn’t in school. By the time I was, you know, 13, 14 years of age. So my brain might not have been that of a 21 year old, but I was actually 16. making money, moving forward, doing things, understanding the world around me and so on. Meaning, but no offense, by the time I was 16, um, you know, I was pretty much running my own little business on the side and doing things along those lines, by the way, much like a lot of 16 year olds do when it comes to social media and things along those lines. So my, my question isn’t more, more along the lines of, you know, the band, I think for some age groups that might be appropriate. My question is more along the lines of is 16 the right age?
SPEAKER 02 :
And it might be a little high just because kids, they are maturing in a good way and in a bad way at such a younger age these days. I mean, come on, you have gang leaders that are 15 years old in high crime communities. Right. I guess as a general rule, if I’m going to err in any direction, I’d rather err on the side of treating our kids like kids and trying to keep their childhood protected as much as possible to a longer if I’m going to err in any direction. And so, you know, realistically, 14 would probably make more sense than 16. But you know what? I don’t. I don’t mind any country saying, you know what, let’s treat 16-year-olds like kids and let’s let them be kids and let’s not try to make them grow up at 12.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, that dovetails into, by the way, pre-born because there’s a lot of folks out there, kids included, kids having kids, I guess I should say, Bob.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, that’s right. And a pro-life center usually is equipped with an ultrasound machine and then usually can afford to show ultrasound images of that baby to the mom. She chooses life. She usually accepts Jesus Christ as Savior, too. So it’s a big deal to get these ultrasound machines in pro-life centers. The problem is they don’t all have them, everybody. So that’s why we’re asking all of you in the audience right now, are there some of you coming up on the end of the year, some of you that can get a nice tax write-off and buy an ultrasound machine for 15 grand? This is for pre-born. 100% of what you give goes to the ultrasounds, nothing for overhead. That’s all covered by private donors. We need some of you to buy ultrasound machines. Some of our listeners have already. We need more of you to do it. Now, for everybody else who’s like, wow, I’d like to stop abortions, but I don’t have 15 grand. There’s a way for you to help, too. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion. So how many abortions will you be willing to stop? Take $28 times fill in the blank. Is it 10 babies? Is it 100 babies? Whatever you can give, give to preborn. And you know what? Again, 100% goes to ultrasounds, nothing for overhead. Here’s how you give, on the phone and online. You can give over the phone by calling 833-850-BABY, and they answer 24-7, so call 833-850-BABY. Or you can give online at CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. And while you’re there, also click on SunPowerLED, John.
SPEAKER 03 :
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