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And welcome to the Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today’s drive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That’s producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda. and all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Be sure and check out my website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. While you’re there, sign up for my weekly email newsletter that goes out on Sundays, highlighting our upcoming guests as well as our most recent essays. You can email me at Kim at Kim Monson dot com. And thank you to all of you who support us. We are an independent voice. We search for truth and clarity by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. If something’s a good idea, you should not have to force people to do it. And so pleased this week of Christmas that we are pre-recording these shows with amazing guests and amazing topics. And I am really pleased to have on the line with me Pastor Stephen Chappell. And he is the pastor at Oceanside Baptist Church in California. Pastor Steve, welcome to the show.
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Oh, thank you for having me, Kim. It’s a pleasure.
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Well, it is truly my honor and delight. And we’re in the Christmas season. I guess we’re in Advent and we’ll be at Christmas on Christmas Eve, Christmas Day. And I want to talk with you about a book that you’ve written, Offensive Faith. But before we get to that, tell us a bit about you, Pastor Steve.
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Well, I’m a California kid. I was born and raised here, but I’ve got roots back in Colorado. Most of my family’s from the southwest part. In fact, I’ve got an uncle whose name I share, Steve Chappell, who was a county commissioner in Montezuma County. And so that’s where our family comes from. But as I said, I was born and raised in California. And I was raised going to church. I was a Christian. And I went to Tennessee to go to college. And while there, I saw a culture that I was not familiar with. I love the state I was raised in. But when I went to Tennessee, there was just a different level of devotion that I was not familiar with. I mean, there were churches everywhere and I loved it. But, Kim, I’ve got to tell you, after a couple of years, what I enjoyed about that, I began to have a longing in my heart for many areas in my home state that I knew really didn’t have a strong gospel witness. And God used that in my life to send me, my wife, our two daughters right back here. And we didn’t really do things the way I would encourage others to do it. We’ve been saving money to buy a house. We used that. We had two cars. We sold one of them. And that’s how we started the church here almost 27 years ago. And God’s been really good. He’s done a great work here, helped many people.
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Really has. And so from saving up for a house, selling one of your cars, you really have a beautiful campus now for Oceanside Baptist Church. So this has been quite a journey.
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Oh, yeah, we’re so thankful. It’s actually called Coastline Baptist Church, and we are in the city of Oceanside. And we started in our living room.
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And I knew that. I’m sorry. No problem. I knew that.
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We started meeting after our home. We met in the community center. And I often joke, people comment that I preach between 32 to 35 minutes each week. And that’s because I learned how to preach fast. paying for a room by the hour. So I couldn’t go long. I didn’t have enough money to preach long. So that’s how we got started. But yeah, God’s been so good. Two years ago in August, we finished the building program that we have here that you saw when you were in our area not too long ago. And we’re just so grateful for what God’s doing here.
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Well, California and Colorado are doing a number of things the same, which is of great concern. But I’m very encouraged, as well as I see when I was at Coastline Baptist Church, I noticed there’s a lot of young people, millennials, and that just warms my heart, Pastor Steve.
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I’m telling you, there is genuinely a hunger, and I think we have a tendency to see what’s going wrong, and we need to do that and address it. But I’m seeing a lot of things that are really going well. I’ll give you a brief example of that. Following the tragic death of Charlie Kirk, We had some young people that had never been a part of church who just felt like they needed to go. And we’ve seen a good number of them come. They’ve accepted Jesus, followed the Lord in baptism, and now they’re inviting their friends. And I talked to one young man Sunday after the service, and he just casually said, oh, hey, I finished the New Testament this week. And I thought, here’s a kid who a couple months ago had never even been to church. And now he’s got a growing relationship with God, and he’s sharing his faith. And nothing encourages me more than that.
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And I’ve always so I grew up in western Kansas, very faithful people. In fact, my grandmother, my paternal grandmother, well, they were German. And I remember that she had a family Bible that was on a little stand like in the picture window. So I’ve I’ve grown up with Bibles around me all the time.
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but and i think everybody else does but that’s not the case and so if somebody’s new to the faith they’re coming to coastline baptist church how do you get a bible in their hand yeah and that’s a very valid valid question um i’ll go back to the beginning when we just first were starting uh our church is currently about four miles from uh marine base camp pendleton and so we have a lot of marines come and i met a young man his name is spencer and he told me he said i’ve never once been to a church in my life ever not for a wedding not for a funeral not for a sunday service and he just really had no spiritual background at all and when you deal with people like that you’ve got to take your time and they’re not familiar with the stories of the bible that you know sometimes we can speak of these things as though everybody knows of jonah or you know the story of david and goliath But I do my very best to teach through the word of God. And it’s not a textbook. It’s the living, breathing word. And the Bible says of itself that it has the power to cut into our lives. And so if we do our best as teachers and preachers of the word to present God’s word is what it is. people will have a hunger for it and so everybody that comes we’ve got free bibles all around so the question was how do you get a bible in their hand we make those available but i think the way we get people into the book is you teach it in such a way that they see the impact of difference that it can make in their lives
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And I think people are hungry for this. I lived through this. Well, it’s where we’ve moved to postmodernism and everything’s relative. You have your truth. I have my truth. And Pastor Steve, there is real truth. And I was talking with my young producer. He’s twenty seven. And he brought up something so interesting. He said that he feels that sometimes in society, these kids, we all were taught question, question, question. And questioning is certainly a good idea. Go to the Bible and ask questions. However, I also think that that term of questioning has gotten to a point where question for question’s sake instead of question for seeking the truth. And I thought that was a really great revelation for a 27-year-old, and I hadn’t quite thought about it like that.
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Yeah, for sure. And, you know, ironically, a lot of this younger conservative resurgence that we’re seeing, they’re actually the ones that are asking questions in a more positive way now. But you’re right, this idea of there really is no truth or it’s relative. And that’s why I’m so grateful that In Jesus Christ, we have a Savior who says, I am the way, the truth, and the life. And for me, beginning to understand who God is lets me then answer those big questions in life. Who am I? Where did I come from? You know, what is my purpose? And that gives such meaning in life. And again, it’s amazing. The first time in history, there are more from Gen Z who are active in church than boomers. And so a lot of the younger people, they are finding purpose that only can come from God.
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I think this whole understanding of purpose is so important, and this does my heart good to know that the Gen Z’s are really active in this. My next question is regarding talking with people. As a Christian, sometimes I think that we’re uncomfortable with where do I start, where do I begin? I think with prayer, the good Lord will give us the words yes, or do you have other advice for us as well?
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You know, that’s a big question. I think of the Great Commission of Jesus Christ, and his last words should be our first concern. And we find that in each of the four gospels and then also in the book of Acts. But in Matthew’s accounting of this great commission, he said, go ye therefore and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, the Son of the Holy Ghost, teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I’ve commanded you and lo, I am with you always. even to the end of the world. And what I love about these words is there’s really one verb in that Great Commission, and it’s the first word, teach. It’s the Greek word, mathetoulo, which literally means to teach someone to become a follower. And so Jesus said, go ye therefore and teach. And I’m giving you some grammatical background here. My mom would be so happy. She was an English teacher. But the word go in the beginning is a participle. And here’s why I’m mentioning all this. It means as you go, as you go. So in the course of life, as you’re doing life with those God puts around you, all of life is an occasion to share what it is God is doing. And so, you know, sometimes we think, how do I specifically share the gospel message? Well, there’s a biblical pattern for that. But it begins as we make these relationships happen. as we go in the course of our life, and it gives an occasion to share Jesus. Now, the gospel itself is a relatively simple message, and it just begins with the fact that we’re all sinners. And the Bible makes that clear, for all have sinned and come short of the glory of God. And then the Bible says because of our sin, we all share Jesus. a problem, and that is a holy God is separated from sin. And in Romans 6, the Bible tells us that there is a wage for sin. It says for the wages of sin is death. And of course, physical death is separation from the body, but spiritual death is separation from God for all of eternity. but the great news is that jesus is the truth that i mentioned but he also said he’s the way and he came to us because we could never go to him that’s what christmas is all about it’s the celebration of of god seeing the plight of mankind we could never make it to him and so god became man without ceasing to be god lived a perfect life he died on the cross was buried And he says, for whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved. We’re not talking about religion. We’re not talking about a church thing. We’re talking about a relationship with the Holy God. He’s done all there is that needs to be done. And he just tells us to believe in that which he has said and that which he has done. And that’s where spiritual salvation comes from.
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And then with that, we live life with purpose. And it gives us courage to live life. So that’s going to be my next question about, and I think this probably is a good segue into your book of offensive faith, is that as Christians, we’re not to just sit around and disengage in this life. And so we will address that when we come back. um we have these great conversations because we have wonderful sponsors who all strive for excellence and one of those is the roger megan state farm insurance team roger’s been in business for over 50 years taking care of his clients and his customers and giving back to the community and they might be able to save you some money i continue to hear from listeners that said that they’ve been able to save money on their insurance and maybe even get more coverage. You won’t know until you call them. That number is 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, the Roger Mangan team is there.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And I’d like to say thank you to one of our goal sponsors, and that is Laramie Energy, because it’s reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power from naturally occurring hydrocarbons such as oil, natural gas, and coal that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams. and empowers us to change our own personal climate to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. And if you are having any challenges with your own personal climate being warm in the winter, reach out to Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling, and all that information is on my website. I am so pleased to be talking with Pastor Stephen Chappell. He is a pastor at Coastline Baptist Church in Oceanside, California. He’s written eight books, and we’re talking about one of his books, Offensive Faith, taking your faith on the offense in a world trying to keep you on the defense. And this is really an interesting book. And so where do you want to begin with this, Pastor Steve? Maybe chapter one, why offensive? You did start off with Daniel. Yeah.
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Yes, we did. We kind of put the story of Daniel all the way through this. I’ll give you a little background of even where the book came from. I co-wrote it with a good friend of mine, Jeremy Stallmaker, and he’s the leader of an organization called Mighty Oaks that works with veterans and first responders and people who are still in the military. And as we were going through that COVID season, we would get together and have coffee and just kind of gripe. And finally, Jeremy came to me one day, basically his thought was, we’ve got to do more than complain. We’ve got to do something. So we sat down and talked through this. And offensive faith, it’s kind of a play on words. Faith has become offensive in areas in our culture, yet we’ve been called upon by Jesus to be on the offense. Jesus said, for example, that his church would prevail, and he said that the gates of hell would not prevent it. Well, that’s offensive language. That means we’re moving forward. And so the genesis of this book was, all right, given the time we’re living, the world in which we’re living, how can we take this faith and move forward as God would have us to?
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Well, and that’s COVID was such a time for, I think, many of us to really dig deep on many of these issues and these questions. And there’s a lot of Christians that are not engaging in the issues of the day because they figure, I pray, I go to church and everything else will take care of itself. But I believe that God calls us while we are here to before we meet him, that we are to do everything that we can and engage in life with those around us. And I think that that plays into Offensive Faith, your book, yes?
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Yeah, it sure does. And you’re absolutely right. I’m not a politician. I don’t want to be one. I’m a pastor, but as I teach and preach the Word of God, there are issues that are issues in our time that are spoken of in the Bible. And if I’m going to be true to the calling God’s placed on my life, there are issues like life and family and these kinds of things that I must stand up for. And I understand that the pressure has gotten much more intense during the time I’ve been a pastor, but that will just require us to be more bold and for our Savior. I remember when I was younger, the big call was tolerance, tolerance. Then it moved to acceptance. And now it’s promotion. And there’s a mindset in our world that if you’re not promoting all the worldly ideologies and philosophies, you know, you’re going to be canceled. Well, we need to be more concerned about what the Lord thinks of how it is we’re living than our world. And I gather that’s easier said than done. But at the end of the day, if we want to hear well done, good and faithful, I’ll tell you how to hear well done. You have to do well. And so if we live for that audience of one, which is the Lord, that can really encourage us in our boldness.
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So, Pastor Steve, I had never really connected the dot from tolerance to acceptance to promotion. But that whole tolerance thing was falling into political correctness. And there were many of us that… played into this that, oh, if you’re at a party or if you’re with someone, you don’t want to say something that they might perceive as being offensive. And so what happened was we started to self-censor ourselves. And I ended up in an interaction, this was just pre-COVID, where I realized someone was asking me to self-censor myself instead of wanting to actually engage in kicking the tires on the idea. And so once that voice is shut down, then you can get to acceptance for an idea because there’s no discussion about it. And then it moves to exactly what you’ve said, promotion, or if you do not affirm this idea. fill in the blank, that is against God’s will, if you do not affirm this, then you are intolerant. And I hadn’t really connected it that way, but it does make a lot of sense to me. So yes, we need to go on the offense, and not in an aggressive way. And I say aggressive in a… And, you know, a very aggressive way trying to get your idea across, but in a thoughtful, reasoned way to talk with people to go on the offense. But going on offense means that you have to engage in these conversations. You can’t just step back from them.
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Oh, you’re exactly right. So tolerance, acceptance, promotion, and that’s really what DEI is all about. It’s about championing the causes of the world, whatever they may be. And oftentimes they’re contrary to God’s word. And you said it, this whole process has caused many to just be quiet. So I told you the background of this book, it came in the wake of COVID and Every state dealt with it differently. California, really, it was very difficult for churches. We followed the rules, but I mean, we would meet in our parking lot and still we’d have people call the police. It was a difficult time. And as we evaluated it, I was disappointed with a lot of what I saw coming from our local and state government. A lot of the things they did, I thought were unnecessary once we figured it out. In the beginning, of course, an abundance of caution. But more than disappointment with what I saw coming from government at times was the response to many churches. And they did just what you’re saying. They went quiet. Now, there were a few that I would say they were overly aggressive, like you’re talking about, kind of a wingnut approach. And so as we talked through this, we thought we can’t go quiet. And yet we don’t want to be over the top in our zeal that we’re cultural warriors rather than preachers of the gospel. And my pastor back in Tennessee said something I’ll never forget. He said, Steve, your convictions need to go high, but your compassion needs to go just as deep. And if we love God, we’re going to love what God loves. And God loves people more than anything. And so we’re going to deal with people the right way and with the right attitude. And again, there are going to be times where there are disagreements. But if I really love someone and I’m in the process of sharing what God has to say through his word, not my words, God’s word. Sometimes the most loving thing you could do for someone is point out an area where their life is in disagreement with that which we find in the Word of God. And if I’m angry, if I’m upset, if my voice is raising, that’s not the best environment to communicate stuff like that. It’s really got to come from a heart of love.
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I totally agree. I went through an angry period. It’s life is a journey. And I was frustrated about, I think a lot of it was this tolerance, acceptance and promotion. I’d be with people and I would see, I remember we were watching a Super Bowl game. halftime and Michael Jackson was the halftime entertainer and super talented guy but as the stories have come out about his life which is tragic I think he had abuse as a child and allegedly that abuse played out in his adult life but those stories weren’t totally out there but everybody was saying how great he was and I pointed out that There might be this other component, and I was concerned about it. And it didn’t go over very well. Let me just put it that way. And I thought, I need to grow. I need to learn how to communicate better. And so it has been a real journey for me, Pastor Steve.
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Yeah, I think it is for all of us. And I think we have days, I’ll have days where I’ll say, you know what, I’ve had enough news. I’ve got to step away from the news, pay attention to something else that’s a little more encouraging. And that’s why I think it’s so important for people that have faith in God, that know God, to spend time daily in his word. And that does so much for us. But one thing it does is it helps us to get his mind in our mind, to think his thoughts. And yeah, I think that’s a battle we all face.
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As you mentioned that, I’ve realized because I’m in the looking at the news all the time and I can get very restless. And when I go to his word and go to my devotions, there is peace in doing so. It’s amazing. It is truly, truly amazing. The story of Christmas. The story that God loves each of us so much. When we talk about DEI, diversity, equity and inclusion, which is really being used to divide us and put us in groups. And the really amazing thing is, is that Christ came to earth for each and every human being. You talk about a great equalizer. He loves each and every one of us. Now, we have to make our decision about him, but he’s already made his decision about mankind, right?
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Yes, and I love that. You know, the Apostle Paul, he was writing in Galatians, and he said, there’s no longer Jew nor Gentile. And the crowd at the day would be like, what are you talking about? Those are the only two options. And then he said, there’s no longer bond nor free or slaves or free people. And they would say, wait, you either own a slave or you are a slave. That’s how our culture worked. And then he said, no longer male or female. And I can just see people throwing their hands up like, that’s just crazy talk. But then he said, we’re all one in Christ. And our world divides people into groups and subgroups, and it leads to endless fighting. But unity comes in Jesus. And, you know, I tell our church often unity in a church family doesn’t come when we follow my point of view or yours. But when we hear what God has said, and Paul in Philippians 2 said, let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus. And so when the rule comes from God’s word, that’s where real unity comes from. And absolutely, he loves everybody. For God so loved the world, he loves everybody.
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I say it as directly as I can. You better be engaged. You better know what your children are being exposed to, what they’re being taught. And I think we’re being very naive if we don’t just look at this world system in general. John referred to the end times as a time where there would be the spirit of antichrist, not just the antichrist, but kind of the spirit of that which is antichrist. Christ. One good example of this, I think, is found back in the book of Genesis chapter 11, the narrative that tells us of the Tower of Babel. And God had told these people, hey, I want you to spread out. I want you to follow me and live for me. And what they did, the Bible tells us, is they wanted a city and a tower. And then it says they wanted a name. In other words, they’re saying, everything you said, God, we want the opposite. We’re going to do it our way. That city was like a capital. They wanted autonomy. That tower represented authority. Man’s attempt to get up to God. They’ll say, we’ll take it from here, God. And then they wanted a name. They wanted all the credit and the acclaim. And so our world has a system, and we need to be aware of that. I don’t want to get too into the weeds, but as this book was started, Jeremy, my co-author, started in the beginning. He’s a veteran, and he was in Iraq and the war, and he talked about when we were on the offense, it was unprecedented, the gains we made. But as soon as things settled down and we got in a defensive posture, that’s when things really got tough. And so we need to be on the offensive as parents, making sure we’re helping our kids and teaching our kids. You see, they ultimately belong to God. And we’re the stewards. And so some mistakes I think that are made sometimes as parents, we become like the proverbial helicopter parent or the bulldozer parent. And we try to make it so our children never endure any difficulty. You know, we’ve got to let our kids go through some things, but we’ve got to help them along the way. And it’s just so important that we are proactive in that.
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So, Pastor Steve, as I go by many of the elementary schools, well, the schools here in Colorado in the metro area. It’s because of these school shootings, and we want our kids to be safe. But it seems like I see parents drop their kids off, and they go in, and the door’s locked behind them. And parents, I think, trust that the kids are learning ABCs and math and history. but that’s not necessarily necessarily the case what we’re learning here in colorado is that there are kids many of our kids are not even proficient at grade level in these key things that are needed so that they can thrive and prosper if you can’t read then you can’t you can’t read the bible you can’t be curious about all of these different things regarding history And families are busy. They’re trying to keep food on the table. And there’s so much going on. And in California and in Colorado, public policy is making life less and less affordable. So it’s difficult. So talk to me a little bit more about that.
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Oh, it absolutely is. And, you know, in the book, I put quite a bit of information and it’s all cited references. But I shared an article that came out in 2020 through an NBC source. And it said that 63 percent of millennials and Gen Z did not know that six million Jews were killed in the Holocaust. And Kim, listen to this. Eleven percent thought the Holocaust was caused by the Jews and that they were killing people. And the lack of any historical evidence. Our kids are missing greatly. And again, I’m saying this. There are some great educators. I’m not painting with a broad brush. We’ve got many wonderful teachers in our church family. But believe me, there are some that are radicals that have a mindset. They’re not interested in education. It’s indoctrination. And they don’t see your kids as yours. They see them as the state’s. And I’ll give you an example. And again, this is in the book. But professors that teach economics in state universities, they say there are 12 registered as liberal for every one conservative. Well, is it any surprise they’re all coming out as socialists? In the history department, it’s 33 with a liberal mindset, registered liberal to one that’s conservative. And my point there is just to say, to think that every classroom’s a welcoming environment where the best of intentions are, that’s just not the case. There is a mindset that they want our kids to get a hold of, and we need to be very, very careful of that and aware of it.
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Well, and I think it begins in preschool and all the way up to college. I think it’s really important that parents stay engaged with their kids even when they go to college. Visit them. Take them out to dinner. Take them to lunch. And say, hey, what’s going on here? How’s things? What are you learning? And it will… It will be very good for the relationship between parent and child throughout their lives because that can be a very difficult time. And I know many families that sent their kids off to a good school. I have that in air quotes. And they came back and they said, I don’t know my child. We raise them with these conservative values. And when I say conservative, I mean these values of America, that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. And he said, my child has come back and I don’t know them. And I’ve seen even headlines here during the holidays that there have been kids that will not talk to their parents. In the break, you said that you’re seeing something that used to be parents taking their kids to church. Now it’s kids dragging their parents to church, which is so it just does my heart good. But there are also there are kids that will not talk with their parents if they feel that they are looking at things from a different ideological standpoint. And that breaks my heart, Pastor Steve.
SPEAKER 04 :
For sure. You know, I read in the Bible years ago, the Bible says in the end times that families will turn against family members. And I remember reading that and thinking, how could that be? And then again, back to COVID and on and on and on since then, we’ve seen that over and over and over. And I would encourage parents with this. It’s better caught than taught. You’ve got to live in authentic faith before your kids. Now, none of us as parents are perfect. I’ve got two daughters. They’re both married now, and I’m so thankful for them. But we took time each day, not a long time, but each morning we’d read a portion of God’s word and we’d pray together. We went to church as a family. We didn’t take a vote on Saturday night. Are we going or not? It’s just this is what we’re going to do. And I put in the book a story of sending my daughter, Jessica, off to college, packing the car. putting her GPS, plugging home in and… Then I got her phone and made sure she had my cell phone in there. And just like I was careful in packing to send her to college, there are some things we must put in the lives of our children if they’re going to succeed. And they can. I think of Paul. As far as we know, the Apostle Paul wasn’t married and didn’t have children. But there was a young man named Timothy that he took into his life, and he referred to him as a son in the faith. And he said this to Timothy. He said, “‘Thou therefore, my son, be strong in the grace that is in Christ Jesus.'” And the things that thou hast heard of me among many witnesses, the same commit thou to men who shall be able to teach others also. And I shared that verse with you because Paul did not just say, Timothy, you need to take the faith class, so to speak. He said, you need to be so familiar with it that you can share it. Tell others who can then tell others. And so we’ve got to get things nailed down in our kids’ minds early. We’ve got to ask questions, have dialogue, and just walk with them all the way through it.
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And it is so important. It’s always been important. But in this day and age, it is really important. And I hadn’t really thought, you said something earlier, and of course, when we talk about the end times, the Antichrist, but you said there are so many things that are Antichrist in our days, in our society today. And I had never thought about it like that, Pastor Steve.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well, I mean, just all the craziness around gender. Well, the Bible’s pretty clear. God created man and woman. And it’s interesting that those who would sometimes say to Christians, they don’t follow the science. Well, I think there’s a scientific way to determine if someone’s male or female. Family. This is all God’s idea. He presided over the first wedding ceremony. He lets us know exactly what that looks like. And so many of these foundational things that have just been fundamental to Christianity. What Americans traditionally have held to, we’re just going the complete opposite way. And it’s that same process that we see at the Tower of Babel. Whatever God said, let’s do the opposite. And so there is a spiritual warfare going on. There’s no doubt about that. Paul tells us that, that we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against spirits. And so that’s why we need to make sure we’re having the power of God’s Word at work in our life. And again, as parents, we need to be praying for our kids. We need to be spending time in the Bible with them. We need to be going to church with them. And our children should see in their parents imperfect people for sure, but people who sincerely know God, love God, want to live for Him. And that’s about the strongest help we can give to our kids is to be authentic in our faith personally.
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the Kim Monson Show, be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. And we are pre-recording these shows for Christmas week with very special guests, very special topics. And I’m talking with Pastor Steve Chappell. He is the pastor at Coastline Baptist Church in Oceanside, California. And we’re talking about the gospel and Christmas. And also your book, Offensive Faith. And you wrote this with Jeremy Stahlnecker. And You said that the story of Daniel permeates throughout the book. So for people that may not be familiar with the story of Daniel in the Bible, tell us about that.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s a great story. What I love about it is. We can get overwhelmed and think of the powers that be and how they’ll affect our lives. And the Bible reminds us over and over that the power of God is greater. I think even of the Christmas story. You know, we think of Caesar Augustus, who called this tax that cost Mary and Joseph to go to Bethlehem. And he would have thought, look at the power I’m wielding. I’ve got these people moving at my command. And really, he was a pawn in the hand of God. He was getting Mary and Joseph to the time and place that God had prophesied more than 700 years earlier. And Daniel is also a great example of this. So he’s a young boy, teenage boy. Babylon defeats Israel. Israel, and they take him and others as captives. And in the span of 70 years, Daniel lives an excellent life. No hint of accusation of anything. He is just faithful and steadfast for God. He’s a prayer warrior, and he makes a great difference. I think there’s a key verse in the book of Daniel. It says that he purposed in his heart that he would not defile himself. So he gets to Babylon. The first thing they do is change his name. And why wouldn’t they? The name Daniel means God is my judge. They change his clothing and they try to change his diet. Well, he said, I’ve got to draw the line there. he said i’m not going to be defiled he knew that the babylonian diet was contrary to the to the dietary laws that god’s people followed at that time and to be defiled was a very big deal to daniel that meant to be ceremonially unclean that you couldn’t uh fellowship or worship god and he made that stand but he arrives in babylon and we can imagine he comes from a family of faith to get a name like daniel We know he was raised in a time when there was a king by the name of Josiah that God used. It was a great time of spiritual renewal and revival. And that revival, we know, came from an occasion where the king had the priest go get the temple squared away. And in 2 Chronicles 34, the Bible says that Hilkiah, the priest… He answered and said to Shaphan, the scribe, I have found the book of the law in the house of the Lord. And Hilkiah delivered the book to Shaphan. And Kim, what I love about that is he said, I found the book of God in the house of God. Imagine a church losing the Bible and needing to be revived. and so my primary concern personally is not just for like some political revival no we need a spiritual revival that changes hearts and changes lives and when that culture got to the book something was instilled in the heart of a young man who’s taken away from every form of accountability in his life and boldly stood for god and lived for god even at the threat of death It was said if he kept praying to God that they were going to kill him and he continued to pray nonetheless. And just step after step, God raised him to the point where he literally became the second most powerful man in the world. And and it was all because of his decision to live for the Lord. I like to say determination is good predetermination. is better. Daniel decided in advance, I’m not going to defile myself with this world’s ways. I want to live for God. And he made a tremendous difference.
SPEAKER 15 :
But the world went after him, yes?
SPEAKER 04 :
No doubt about it. I mean, he went in the den with the lions and God protected him there. And so that’s a confidence we have. And you know, Daniel’s story is a great one, but Joseph’s He went to Egypt, and we know that he was sold into slavery. And in the course of his time there, God used him. We think of Nehemiah. God used him. He was in the king’s palace there working for Artaxerxes as he was a slave, and yet God used him. Esther, you know, for such a time as this, I think of what you say as you begin each show. And as you say that, I think of Esther. Here she’s living in a foreign land. And she thought, you know, maybe God’s brought me here for such a time as this. I’m going to do what’s right. I’m going to trust God. And basically, she said, let the chips fall where they will. I’m going to do the right thing.
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And we go to these stories of the Bible. I also go to the stories of our founders on a regular basis, imperfect men, but with this idea. And I think Christianity and the American idea are closely entwined because Christ came to earth for each and every individual. And the American idea was founded upon this idea that we each have these these rights from God of life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. And so all these stories are so important to talk about and tell our children. And again, for many years with this whole that you had mentioned, the tolerance and then acceptance and then promotion. has moved us to things talking about things that are anti-Christ instead of Christ-centered. And so I think that we are in a time of amazing spiritual revival and renewal. And you mentioned something, changing hearts and minds. Coming to know the Lord Jesus Christ can change hearts and minds. But during this Christmas season… Last Christmas, I was at the Christmas Eve service. I was sitting near the back of the church, and I mentioned this with some of our other interviews that I’ve done. And I was sitting there, and this family came in that I’d been watching them. They had two young children, and she was expecting. And they came in that night with a pretty new baby. And I was sitting there next to them thinking, oh my gosh, this is what happened on Christmas Eve. And the idea, I’m looking at this baby thinking, the idea that the Son of God came to earth in something, this little package, just stopped me in my tracks, Pastor Steve.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, yes. It’s just incredible, the love of God. And, you know, I love that the birth announcement, God the Father chose to have it first go to a group of shepherds. Now, shepherds, we think of them, well, they were common in the day. They were. But, you know, shepherds weren’t even allowed to speak in a legal proceeding because they were considered to be people that could not be trusted. they were considered ceremonially unclean. So although they raised the sheep, and really Bethlehem was the area where the sheep were raised that would be taken right into Jerusalem to the temple for temple worship. And yet they weren’t allowed to go in themselves. But when God came to shepherds first, instead of a king or a priest, He was really saying, hey, I’m for everybody from the common or lowly shepherd, as they would have been seen at that time, to the highest. And it’s good news for all people. And, you know, that’s what the word gospel means is good news. And so we have every reason to be encouraged. God, he saves people from their sins, but he also saves us from a life that has no purpose. We find that purpose in him and it gives us all the reason we need.
SPEAKER 15 :
So with that, in this book, you’ve really talked about things to do in 2025-26 America. For example, you said here, Chapter 5, preparing for the journey, and then… charting your course and then also the Christian in the workplace. We’ve got maybe a couple, maybe three minutes. Talk to us about the Christian in the workplace because so many people, I think, again, we self-censor and don’t say things in the workplace. So what would you say to each of us about that, Pastor Steve?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it’s interesting. I had a friend years ago that came to me and said, you know, I was fired at my job because I’m a Christian. And the more we talked, the more I realized, no, he was just being obnoxious under the guise of being a Christian. So there’s a right and wrong way to do this. I would say really our testimony. Now, we need to speak up for Christ, but our testimony says a lot how we live. I think a Christian should be on time to work, should work hard all day, should do everything that’s expected, and then go that extra mile, do even more. That’s where our testimony begins. And as that happens, as I said earlier when we talked about the Great Commission, go ye therefore, and the idea there is as you go. We’ll have occasions often to speak of God. I mean, it’s as simple as, what are you doing this weekend? Going to spend some time with the family and we’re going to church. Well, you just communicated something. Somebody compliments something about your family. Man, thank you. We’ve learned some things in the Bible that have really helped us. So as we live our faith out in that kind of a way, God’s going to help us. Now, the gospel’s for the whole world. We’ve talked about that. But God’s desire for your life and my life isn’t that we would – reach the whole world. It’s that we would reach our world. And so as we live with integrity and humility and a servant’s heart, opportunities will be open that will allow us to speak of truth and then ultimately to speak of Jesus Christ.
SPEAKER 15 :
This is really profound. And so many of our young people have been taught that capitalism is bad, that the employer is just taking advantage of the employee, and kind of has an attitude of… a divisive attitude instead of realizing that there’s this agreement between the employer and the employee that we’re trading value for value. And one of the things that you can do to be of more value is just what you said. I hadn’t thought about it from a Christian standpoint, but to be on time and go that extra mile. And all of those things come together and over a lifetime will help a person grow be successful in their careers because they’re just doing those basic things, which I hadn’t realized, but it really is a Christian value on that. That’s a great aha for me, Pastor Steve. We’re just about out of time. We’ve got about a minute or so left. How would you like to button this up? And again, we’re talking about this book, Offensive Faith, taking your faith on the offense in a world trying to keep you on the defense by Pastor Stephen Chappell and Jeremy Stahlnecker. Your final thought, Pastor Steve?
SPEAKER 04 :
you know the greatest mistake a person of faith can make is to try and live this life in our own power and there’s a verse that means a great deal to me that speaks of christ in us you know paul the apostle said i’m crucified with christ nevertheless i live yet not i but christ liveth in me and the life which i now live in the flesh i live by the faith of the son of god who loved me and gave himself to me and i would encourage everyone who’s listening Be in church this Christmas season. Get to know Jesus Christ. Get in the word and let him live in you and then through you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, Pastor Steve Chappell, who is the pastor at Coastline Baptist Church in Oceanside, California. Thank you so much. I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you so much. It’s been a pleasure.
SPEAKER 15 :
And our quote for the end of the show, I’m going to Luke 8 through 12. And there were shepherds living out in the fields nearby, keeping watch over their flocks at night. And an angel of the Lord appeared to them, and the glory of the Lord shone around them. And they were terrified, but the angel said to them, Do not be afraid. I bring you good news that will cause great joy for all people. Because today in the town of David, a Savior has been born to you. He is the Messiah, the Lord. And you will find a sign, and that is a baby wrapped in cloths lying in a manger. So my friends today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you. God bless America. Stay tuned for hour number two.
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That seems to me like government is establishing a religion. If you give people rights, women’s rights, gay rights, whatever, there can’t be equal rights if there are special rights. Surveys show that people still really prefer freedom over government force.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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And welcome to our number two of the Kim Monson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You’re each treasured. You’re valued. You have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And I work with an amazing team. That’s producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, all the people here at Crawford Broadcasting. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You will get first look at our upcoming guests and our most recent essays. We send that out on Sunday. You can email me at Kim Monson. Again, that’s M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. Thank you to all of you who support us. And you can hear the show on all KLZ 560 platforms. That’s KLZ 560 AM. KLZ 100.7 FM, anywhere in the world on the KLZ website or the KLZ app. And the first hour broadcasts 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. Well, the show broadcasts 6 to 8 a.m. Monday through Friday. The first hour is rebroadcast. 1 to 2 in the afternoon, and the second hour, 10 to 11 at night. And Christmas week, Merry Christmas to all of you. We are prerecording some very special guests, and I’m pleased to have on the line with me Colonel Bill Rutledge. He’s retired, United States Air Force. Colonel Rutledge, welcome to the show. Thank you, Kim. And we had talked about doing a show regarding the Tea Party because the Boston Tea Party was in December. And so I thought, let’s have some history. So where should we start regarding? And it wasn’t just the Boston Tea Party. There were other tea parties as well. So where shall we start?
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Well, first of all, most American students have heard of the Boston Tea Party in one level. of their American history. And we might as well mention the time. It occurred on the 16th of December, 1773. It was sort of a culmination of a lot of agitation and irritation on the part of the American colonials that had been developing over about a 20-year period. So we really need to go to the origin. And what was the origin was the French and Indian War. The reason being that the French and the English had been at one another’s throat militarily for centuries. And they were vying for control of America. And the French had control of what is now Canada and the maritime provinces of Canada. And then, of course, we were right up against them. And then to the south of us was Florida, which was Spanish, and to the west, beyond the Mississippi, was really undesignated, but it was principally Spanish. So in 1754, the French decided they wanted to expand their control and they wanted to have the control of that area down the Ohio River to the Mississippi, and then they would like to control the whole Mississippi Valley all the way down to New Orleans. So they moved a group of soldiers down to the area of Pittsburgh, right where the Ohio forms, where the Allegheny and the and Mahongahele River converge. And so they built a fortification there. And the governor of Virginia learned of this, and he was very concerned because the English had assumed that they had control of everything even west of the Alleghenies all the way out to the Mississippi River. And they felt that the French were infringing upon their territory. So the governor, he needed to send a message to the French. So he picked George Washington. And George Washington was about 22 years old. He was in the Virginia militia, but he was also a surveyor. So he had actually been west part of Virginia, but he’s also been beyond the Allegheny Mountains. So he was familiar with the territory. almost all the way out towards where Pittsburgh is located. So he became the delegate to carry the message out. So on his first trip out, he got a few Indians just for interpreters. And he went out in the fall, and it was cold, and it took him several days to get there. And he took the message and gave it to the French commander there. and basically was telling them that they should abandon their fort and go back to Canada. Well, the French commander elected to write a lengthy written statement back to the governor of Virginia, which he did. So George took this message back, and when he got back there and it was read by the governor, it was very explicit that they weren’t going anywhere, that is, the French. So he… formed a small, almost like a company of soldiers in the militia with a few interpreters and a few civilians. And they were going back out there to see if they could actually drive the French out of that area. Well, when they did this second trip, they couldn’t do it. The French were too numerous and they were defensive in a good position. and they were allied with several of the Indian tribes in the area. So Washington, they had a few casualties, and then he turned and went back to Virginia and talked to the governor and said, they’re serious, they’re not going anywhere, and we lost a few men. Well, the British took great exception to this, and they were already fighting the French army, on the European coast area. And so consequently, they decided to send approximately 2,000 Redcoats under General Braddock to come to Virginia and then press on and make the French vacate their area near Pittsburgh and go back to Canada. Well, when they got there, they looked for someone to be their guide And the obvious person was George Washington since he had been there. And so he became the aide-de-camp for General Braddock. And he tried to brief the general not to expect combat with the French like they had encountered on the plains in Europe, where you’d have lines of soldiers facing lines of soldiers in open and clear spaces. There were a lot of trees and many places to hide, and he, George, told the general that you have to have scouts out. You have to expect that you could have people on your flanks, and you must send out your people to go out and represent the flanks.
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So, Colonel Rutledge, let’s stop right there and we’ll go to break. We’re going to come back and continue this discussion about the French and Indian War. We have all these discussions because of great sponsors and really blessed to work with amazing people. And as you know, we are prerecording for the week of Christmas, and I am blessed to work with amazing people who strive for excellence in their chosen professions. And one of those people is on the line with me, and that is John Bozen with Bozen Law. If you’ve been injured, you’ll definitely want to reach out to them. John Bozen, welcome.
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Well, if you are injured, people really should reach out to you for a complimentary consultation. But let’s talk a little bit about Christmas. First of all, it’s hard for me to believe this year has gone so quickly. But Christmas, the idea that the Savior of the world would come to us as a baby, that God would come to us as a baby, it’s a remarkable story, John Bozen.
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It’s an incredible story and a God that loves us so much that he would come in the form of man, experience all that we do as humans, and then die for our sins. It’s a remarkable, incredible, powerful story. story that we’ve got to share with the world. And there’s still a lot of folks out there, Kim, that don’t know the miracle, the incredible sacrifice that our Creator, our Lord and Savior made for us.
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Well, John Bozen, there’s a lot of anxiety in our society today. In fact, I think it’s John Haidt who wrote a book, The Anxious Generation. And And one of the things that had been a revelation for me regarding Christ, particularly when he was on the cross, he died on the cross, but was raised from the dead to overcome sin and death. That is the hope of that whole story. But he experienced everything. And you run into people that are in tough times in their lives. Christ experienced everything that we could. Abandonment, his friends left him. They stripped him of his clothes. And then he had health issues after they had scourged him. And then looking down from the cross at Mary, realizing Mary is losing a child. And of course, they didn’t quite understand that three days later he was going to be resurrected. But at that point in time, he could experience that. So the fact that he experienced all of these things that we’re anxious about is… is something that we can really put so much hope in, John Bozen.
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Yeah, absolutely, no doubt. I mean, it’s just hard to imagine that we, again, we have a God that loves us so much that His Son, Jesus Christ, would come down and bear the weight of the world’s sin on Himself and experience the excruciating, terrible pain that He did so that we might have life.
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And the other thing is, and I was talking with one of our guests or sponsors, is that he came for all. And when I walk around, even in the building, we have a, I would say, a real diverse building, but yet we smile at each other. And I look at that, and I’m like, he came for… for each and every one of them. Now, each person has to make their decision, as C.S. Lewis said, regarding Jesus Christ. But he came for all, which I find that it’s the great equalizer. He came for everyone. And so when we talk about equity and equal treatment and equal rights, all that, I realized that he really was the great equalizer because he came for all. And that was a big revelation for me this Christmas season, John Bozen.
SPEAKER 05 :
Me too, Jim. I was in a store with my wife. It’s been probably a couple weeks now, and I guess I’ll just say we came across somebody that was very different, very unusual than us. I mean, shockingly so. And the judgmental human side of me started to judge her, and something just hit me. It’s like… God loves her too.
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Yep. And that is the beauty of all this. John Bozen, I wish you and yours a very Merry Christmas, a prosperous 2026. You know I value your sponsorship partnership immensely. And I look forward with great hope to 2026, John Bozen.
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Well, back at you, Kim. Keep your voice loud and strong. I know you will. And you keep fighting the good fight. And we’re making progress. I can see it. And you’re waking people up. And I wish all of the listeners out there and I wish you, Kim, and your family a merry, merry Christmas.
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Welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is kimmonson.com. And a nonprofit that I dearly love is the Center for American Values. They are located in Pueblo on the beautiful Riverwalk. Pueblo is known as the home of heroes because there are four Medal of Honor recipients that grew up there. But it is really a very special place. And the portraits of valor of over 160 of our Medal of Honor recipients with their quotes is very inspiring. So I would recommend that this Christmas season that you take a road trip to Pueblo and visit the Center for American Values. That website is AmericanValuesCenter.org. talking with Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force. And we have prerecorded these shows for Christmas week. And the Boston Tea Party was December 16th, 1773. And Colonel Rutledge said we should do a show regarding the tea parties. But you said the precursor to all of this really was the French Indian War. And we went to break, just as you were saying that Washington, George Washington, had briefed General Braddock, the British general, that the battle with the French near Pittsburgh is not like what they’re used to in Europe. So what happened then, Colonel Rutledge?
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Well, the general didn’t pay attention to George. And so he continued to march his soldiers sort of en masse and on. did not send out scouts to the front or to his flanks. And what happened, he got surrounded. And see, he believed in leading from the front like they would do in a combat on the coast of Europe. And so he was one of the first killed. And then shortly thereafter, since the French and the Indians were all around them. Their casualties were tremendous. They had about 2,000 redcoats, plus their officer corps, and soon it was obvious that they were going to be decimated, and they had to withdraw. Washington, of course, was with the general as his aide, and George was the largest guy there. He was like 6’2 or 6’3″, A big man, over 200 pounds, on a big horse. So he was a huge target. And the Indians and the French were all trying to shoot George and shoot him off the horse, or shoot the horse and have him fall. They didn’t. For some reason, it never happened. So he rallied the survivors and went back to Virginia. And… explained the situation to the governor there. And the governor recognized that this was not going to be successful there at that level. So he just sort of withdrew the men and did not pursue it any further in that area. But the battle on with the French continued, but it moved north. It moved up the Hudson Valley and on up into Canada. So most of the rest of that French and Indian War, which was called the Seven Year War in Europe, was conducted up in Canada and along the border in Canada. So consequently, Georgia’s involvement in the American activity was reduced because most of the fighting was with British soldiers who had come over. It wasn’t with very many of the colonial people. So when the war ended after this seven-year period, so it’s early 1860s, I mean 1760s, then the British Parliament recognized that they had incurred a tremendous debt enduring this. So they elected to have the people who were in America, the colonials, be taxed in some form or another to help pay for it. Their perspective was that they had sent troops over there to protect British citizens who lived in America. The colonial people didn’t look at it that way. They looked at it as though it was continued English colonial expansion because England had gained all of Canada and the maritime provinces, all the way up to Labrador. And they viewed this as a British problem and was not their problem. So the British started, the first thing they did to somewhat appease the French, but maybe just to avoid further conflict in that area, they put out an edict to the colonials saying, that there would be… So, anyhow, the first direction to the colonials were that there was to be no more colonization west of the Appalachian Mountains. Well, this did not go well with the Americans because they were in the process of moving into that area. They’d been doing it gradually for a number of years, and even people like Washington and some of the others… had staked out thousands of acres of land just west of the Appalachians. So it was a big investment for a lot of people, and there was great interest there. But it was just a start of what was going to happen. Then the—and this was in 1763, immediately after the war— And then later, the next year, in 1764, they decided to tax sugar. Well, it would be sugar and molasses and any byproducts that might be manufactured in America. But all of this was going to be taxed. So this was the first of a series of many things. Then they had another act. also in 1764, Currency Act, so that we couldn’t be printing our own money to use for things here in America. Then they came up with the Stamp Act, which we all heard of in high school. But that was what required that a stamp be put on all sorts of retail products. And this was, of course, controlled by the British government. colonial government, and again, the Americans had no voice in it. By this time, in 1765, the infamous Stamp Act was passed by Parliament. This required English stamps, which were basically a taxation, to be put on all sorts of retail merchandise, and even bulk items that would be shipped in from England, and It was a burden upon the people, but also it was a visible nuisance that they didn’t approve of. So they started right away, the Sons of Liberty and the Daughters of Liberty started boycotting a lot of the imports from England, and then they started talking more openly about They didn’t want taxation without representation. If the parliament at that time would have recognized their feelings and just had some token representations from America to go to England and participate in some of these decisions, it might have alleviated the problem, but they didn’t. So there was nobody from America in London who spoke on their behalf.
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Okay, Colonel Rutledge, let’s go to break on this. We’re talking with Colonel Bill Rutledge regarding the Tea Parties, also the French-Indian War at the beginning of America. And it’s important that we have these discussions and we get to because our great sponsors…
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMonson.com. Sign up for our weekly email newsletter. You can email me at Kim at KimMonson.com as well. And we are pre-recording these shows for Christmas week. Very special guests. But before we get back to Colonel Bill Rutledge, I wanted to mention the USMC Memorial Foundation. And the memorial is located here in Golden, Colorado at 6th and Colfax. And Paula Sarles, who is a Gold Star wife, a Marine veteran, and the president of the USMC Memorial Foundation, she and her team are really working diligently to give a facelift to the Marine Memorial. So get more information, go to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And Colonel Bill Rutledge is 96 years young, and he is a retired United States Air Force. Colonel Rutledge, when we went to break, you said the colonists were starting to get frustrated about being taxed without representation. And perhaps the British could have headed off the complete Revolutionary War if they would have recognized that and given the colonists some representation at Parliament.
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That’s absolutely correct, but they did not extend that invitation. So they continued in 1765 after they’d already enacted the Stamp Act. Shortly thereafter, they passed what was called the Quartering Act. And the Quartering Act required the colonial governments to provide… accommodations for the British Redcoat soldiers who were assigned to America. And in some instances, they even required people to take British soldiers into their own homes, provide their sleeping accommodations, but also provide for their meals. This was not only was it an imposition, but economically it was a strain upon a lot of families. So the British weren’t making things easier for the Americans, and it was getting to be pretty bad. Shortly thereafter, they realized that they were losing a lot of sales in America. So they repealed the Stamp Act, but they still were doing taxes on all sorts of things. It wasn’t going well. So this continued, and then they followed up with what they call the Townsend Acts in 1768, which is sort of a conglomeration of various ways of taxing the Americans. What really lit the fire for ultimate Tea Parties was was in May of 1773, they passed the Tea Act. Now, one of the reasons they had done this was that the British source of tea, of course, came from Ceylon in India, and they had an exclusive on all tea coming to America. The tea would go to England where it would be boxed and taxed and prepared and sent over on British ships. And it must be exclusively from England for Americans to buy it, which made tea much more expensive, and tea was considered a part of the life of the people in America. In what’s ironic, although they didn’t talk about it, at that same time, Coco was becoming equally important in London. So we didn’t know much about that, and we were never told that in school. I only found that out by reading more and more about the English side of the story. So these acts just all came to a peak in 1773. And what happened was, In the fall of 1773, the British sent seven ships to America, cargo ships loaded with tea. And the tea was packed in big wooden boxes. And they sent these ships to a number of ports. But for Boston, since the population was greater in that area, they sent three ships that had tea on them. And since the tea was already being taxed and people were getting a little tired of it, this is when the Sons of Liberty first came out overtly, so they made a presence. But of course they decorated themselves up as though they were Mohawk Indians. It didn’t take a lot to figure out that that was just a disguise. It was the Sons of Liberty all dressed out to be Indians. So they went to the ships in the harbor and they threw all the tea out into the harbor. So this is the story that we got in history in elementary school and also in high school and somewhat in college. But it didn’t explain the fact that The British had tons and tons of tea, and just sending it to Boston wasn’t going to cut it. They sent it also to New York, to Philadelphia, to Charleston, to many of the population centers. And the reason they would send is that the people who were in the business of selling tea were Americans, so they would put in orders – to be placed in England, and then the tea would be consigned to them by name. So it would come there, and then in each of these ports, the British had a customs officer who was supposed to collect a tax before the tea could be released to the American vendors. Well, because of the pressure that was being put on by the… the colonial people against the Tea Act and against paying tax for their tea, some of the vendors wouldn’t even take it. And there were some of the ships that turned around and went back to England. Meanwhile, of course, the Boston situation set a pattern so that people throughout the colonies learned of what had happened in Boston, and some of them elected to emulate what they had done there. So there were a few occasions where one of the convoys went into Philadelphia and they had quite a few huge boxes. But the people in Philadelphia had learned about it and had warned the captain of the ship and said, look, don’t unload or it’ll just go in the water. So the ships turned around and went back to England with the tea. And then later, the ship, one of the ships, which was called the London, when it went back to London, then it had an order to Charleston. So in that fall, it went, you know, in this early spring of 74, it went to Charleston. When it got to Charleston, there were two big commercial vendors there who were going to pay their taxes and get their tea. But there were a lot of local people who went to the meeting and said, we’re not going to buy your tea anyhow. So these two people who were going to have to pay the taxes and get the tea, they just decided, well, we better not bring that ashore. So what happened one evening, they unloaded the ship to London and And they took all the boxes of tea, and there were quite a few, and they put them in the custom house, which is at the end of the street right down by the dock in Charleston. And that custom house is still there. It’s a beautiful big building. And in 1952 and 1953, I worked in the same block where the custom house is. And I didn’t even know about the story of the T. It’s at the end of Broad Street and the intersection of Broad and Church Street. And a very famous area in downtown Charleston. And it’s a beautiful building. And today it’s used by the Chamber of Commerce. And it’s almost like a national headquarters for them. But I didn’t know anything like that when I would walk by it to go get my car and do my job. This is a digression, but it shows a current association with the past. Because what happened there was really unique. They unloaded all the tea. They put it in the custom house basement. And this was early in 1774. But nothing happened. It stayed there until the American Revolution started. And in 1776, now after we’ve had a Declaration of Independence, the tea was sold at auction, and the money was used to buy ammunition and muskets for the locals to defend Charleston against the British. So it was… It was sort of an ironic spinoff. But there were other examples up and down the coast. It was really a situation where they decided, we’re going to throw the tea in the ocean, or you’re going to take it back to England, or we’re going to unload the tea and we’re going to burn the boxes. But one place really did it, and this was in Maryland. And so they came into port there. at Annapolis, and the locals were trying to figure out what to do with the tea. So what they did, they just burned the whole damn ship. Wow. With the tea, the people got off okay, but they burned the ship and the tea, everything.
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That probably made the British pretty mad, huh?
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I’m sure that sort of ruffled their feathers. But we were getting awfully close to the first Continental Congress meeting in Philadelphia, where the first time 13 colonies got together. And it didn’t take too much longer for that to happen. And so consequently, it wasn’t just the Boston Tea Party. It was the focal point. And it set some of the precedents. But We had tea parties all up and down the coast in various configurations. And the destiny of the tea was up to the locals. And some, maybe some of it actually got drunk. Who knows? But most of it was being abused because they were being abused by the British. And it was things like this. That’s again, we’re brought on because the British were still operating under the philosophy that those Americans have got to pay for us and all of our war expenses against the French.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wow. It’s just so amazing how, over time, we didn’t just get to the Declaration of Independence, 1776. It was a period of years. I think it’s fascinating for people to understand that. We will continue the discussion with Colonel Bill Rutledge. Thank you.
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And welcome back to The Kim Monson Show. Merry Christmas to all of you. We have prerecorded shows for this week with very special guests. And pleased to have on the line with me Colonel Bill Rutledge. He’s retired, United States Air Force. December 16th in 1773 was the Boston Tea Party. But it wasn’t just the Boston Tea Party. It was up and down the colonies. And Super interesting. Things that I didn’t know about. You had mentioned Boston Commons, I guess, during break. So tell us a little bit about Boston Commons and how that relates to the Tea Party.
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Well, Boston Commons is just what the title indicates. It’s a common ground. It’s like an open park. It’s right near where their state government is, and there’s a big cemetery near there. But it’s right in the middle of town, and it takes its pattern from England, because almost any town you go to in England, even today, has what’s called a common. We would consider it a park, but the common can be used for a number of things that are traditional in their particular part of the world. So Boston Commons was an assembly point for within the city of Boston. And they had planted a tree there. And the tree had been planted in 1646. And it was a very big elm tree. And it had grown and grown. And it was a point where people would come and converge to discuss political issues or whatever they wanted. But it was definitely… the local people and not, not representatives of the crown that would come there. And some of their meetings, of course, were, uh, opposing some of the taxations that had been imposed upon them. And the tree actually lasted until we were in a situation in 1775 where, uh, Boston was occupied by the British, and we were forming an army, and George Washington was coming in July to oppose them. And they just got together and said, hey, the people who were in favor of the crown and British soldiers and some of the British officers, we’re going to wipe this thing out. So they burned the tree. So the tree was burned. They never did plant a new tree. They just put a plaque up there so that today you could go to Boston Commons and you could see where the tree was. Now, getting back to the era, 1774 and on into early 1775, the Sons of Liberty and the Daughters of Liberty were both very active Christians. covertly in some cases, but very open in some. Now, the Daughters of Liberty were very open in what their position was. And they stopped buying linen and cloth and decorative items from England. And they went back to spinning wheels and also weaving. And we talk about homespun. This really dates from that era because they took great pride in wearing clothing that they were making and was not coming from England. And this, of course, made a big impact upon retail sales and also on taxes. And they also would not drink any British, any English tea. That was another expensive impact upon English taxation as well as the cost of selling the tea. So there was a mutual understanding among the men and the women that they were making a collective effort to make the British presence in Boston as uncomfortable as possible and to make it where it was not economical to do it. Now, of course, it got so bad by early in 1775. The British just did a mandate to cut off all cargo, all merchant dealings with New England, because New England was the focal point on this opposition. And so they cut things off, and then we have to go back and remember the poem about Paul Revere’s ride. And that will give you the time really close, because it starts off on the 18th of April in 75, now hardly a man is still alive. So he wrote that many years later, but it also set the tone for the Boston Marathon, which is traditional and has been for well over 100 years. So if you ever want to wonder, when is the Boston Marathon? Just think back to the poem. It may not be on the 18th. The race might be on the 17th, but it’s always really close to the 18th to be compatible with the time when Paul Revere went out to alert the people at Lexington and Concord that the British were coming.
SPEAKER 15 :
Wow. So much history there. I’ve been to Boston maybe twice and have walked on the Freedom Trail, which I think is so fascinating. It’s really quite the interesting city, Colonel Rutledge.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, it is. And I hope you had the opportunity to go down and walk on board Old Ironside.
SPEAKER 15 :
I did not.
SPEAKER 03 :
That Okay, that was the ship Constellation. It’s still in commission. Every year it goes out into the harbor for one day, and they move it around. And it was actually used in battle, not then, but later on in the War of 1812. And it was really—the reason it was called Old Ironside was because it was made out of real heavy oak and— the British cannon from other ships, the cannonballs would bounce off the side of it. And after the War of 1812, there were times when they were going to decommission and either sell it or sink it. And there was a national outcry. And people all around the country, and even in public schools, people contributed pennies and money to save the ship. And in elementary school, people used to learn there was a poem written about old Ironside and people used to memorize things like that in elementary school. But it was a very important part of the legacy of that era.
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Well, and we’ve got just about a minute left, Colonel Rutledge. But that spirit, I think, runs through the veins of Americans. And we’re at a time right now where we’re engaged in a great battle of ideas. There are things that the colonists were frustrated about regarding taxation. We’ve got pretty excessive taxation here in America now. So there’s some correlations right now, and I think that we need to reclaim the spirit of America. What’s your final thought you’d like to leave with our listeners, Colonel Rutledge?
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Well, I think that this year I witnessed a parallel. On the 13th of July, I was watching Trump speak in Butler, Pennsylvania, when he was shot. And when he got up and yelled, fight, fight, fight. I had read a lot about Washington, and I knew that Washington had justified his safety on divine intervention. And I said right then to myself, I said, this is exactly like what happened for Washington. And I said, God saved Washington to save America. And I said, I feel the same thing has happened today and later President Trump acknowledged that he believes the same thing.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, we are in quite a time. Colonel Rutledge, thank you so much. This is so fascinating. And our quote for the end of the show, I went to Samuel Adams. He said, So today, my friends, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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