This episode dives deep into the growing concern of indoctrination within the education system, highlighted through Gabrielle Clark’s personal experiences with her own children. As a mother battling for her son’s future against divisive academic ideologies, Gabrielle’s story illuminates the power and necessity of parental involvement and activism in schools. Priscilla Rahn facilitates this candid discussion that shines a light on how parents can reclaim their children’s education and ensure a nurturing learning environment.
Welcome to Restoring Education in America with Priscilla Rahn. She’s a master educator and author, leading the conversation to restore the American mind through wisdom, virtue, and truth.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, hello, everybody. Welcome to Restoring Education in America. I’m your host, Priscilla Rahn. And I’m so excited that you’ve decided to join the conversation today as we start to gear up for second semester of school. I’m excited to have this conversation with an amazing mom. She’s an activist. She’s a world changer. And I am going to bring her onto the stage. My friend, Miss Gabrielle Clark. Hi, Gabs. Hey, hey, thank you for having me, Priscilla. Well, I’m so glad that we are getting a chance to talk about something that we’re both passionate about. But before we move on, I am going to share a little bit of your bio with our listeners. Gabrielle Clark fights indoctrination in the K-12 educational setting. Both her school-age children were affected by indoctrination in different ways, one harmed by CRT and one harmed by SEL, which is social emotional learning. She fought back starting with CRT indoctrination. Her son was discriminated against at school, and then they filed the first federal lawsuit against indoctrination in America and won. Gabrielle Clark also founded Affirming Reality, a coaching program empowering parents to guide kids back to biological reality, inspired by her daughter’s successful desistance from social transition. Affirming Reality offers one-on-one coaching, tools, and resources for parents with children of all ages who are captured by the gender cult. Wow. So Gabs, I first came across your social media when you were a firebrand testifying at school boards. And I was like, who is this mom? And it was right in the middle of of the lockdowns, right, during COVID. And you started popping up. And I thought, wow, this is a very, very courageous person. And I immediately started following you. And you have been doing amazing work. So can you share when you first realized that your children were being negatively affected by what you call indoctrination in schools?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, my son was being discriminated against at school. He was asked to list his identities and then attach the signifier of privileged or oppressed to those identities. And because my son is white, male, and we have Judeo-Christian values, my late husband was a lawyer, all of those things, my son would have just been considered privileged just down the line. And we, We were homeless at the time. Um, we were living in a motel and he was sleeping on a mat on the floor. Um, and I was, you know, just recovering from a disability at the time. So I had spent years in a wheelchair and they were calling my son privileged despite all of those things. You know, my husband died when my son was one years old. He doesn’t have a single memory of him. Being homeless, sleeping on a mat on the floor, carrying your 300 pound disabled mother up and down the stairs is not a privileged life. There is no privilege in that. So when they did that, I just was like, oh no, we want out of this class. And when they refused to let us opt out of that class and threatened to fail him, which would have prevented him from graduating, that was when I said, okay. The lawyer’s wife and me came out and we sued them.
SPEAKER 03 :
That is so crazy. From a teacher standpoint, I was watching this type of thing go on in the classrooms. And even during those early stages, a lot of people outside of academia were saying, this isn’t happening in our schools. That’s not true. Or that’s just a one-off. And I can attest that this was happening across the nation where even as educators, we were sitting in professional development by these experts and in DEI coming in and telling us that, yes, if you’re black, you’re oppressed. If you’re white, you’re an oppressor and you cannot change that. So too bad. And I was like, wait a minute. I don’t live my personal life through a race lens. I don’t look at people by their outer shell and prejudge them. And who are you to say that I can’t access anything that any other person can access that makes the constitution a lie. And, you know, as a mom, you could have easily been, I’m upset. I don’t, I’m going to pull my kid, but you took it a step further. Talk about that process of the lawsuit and what led you to that.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I mean, we tried to find lawyers and all the lawyers kept saying, just do the class, lie, just write anything, just finish the assignments, all of that stuff. And that just infuriated me. It infuriated me. I just kept thinking, no, no, I’m an American. I’m an American and my son is an American and you don’t get to dictate to us. what we say or how we think. And that was, that was the last straw is that when, when other people kept telling us, you know, no, just do it and put your head down, you know, put your head down and just get through it. And I just said, you know, forget that noise. I’m not listening to that. I’m not going to keep on, you know, letting people trample all over our rights. We lost enough, you know, we, we had lost enough. And my, my children had, had suffered enough that I wasn’t going to just allow it or change schools or anything like that with this particular situation. I did change my daughter out of that school because I didn’t like what they were putting. But with my son, this was his graduation. He had been going to the school for six years. What year was that? We filed the first federal lawsuit against woke indoctrination in December, on December 22nd, 2020. So five years ago.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right in the middle of the lockdowns and those poor kids in that time frame, especially seniors, right?
SPEAKER 01 :
Yes.
SPEAKER 03 :
Seniors. They didn’t get their traditional prom and their traditional graduation. But on top of that, to feel like our school system, our public education system is. is putting down children and indoctrinating them and making them feel a certain kind of way about who they are. That’s the antithesis of what we should be doing with young people. Right. So that’s just crazy. So Gabs, let’s talk about your daughter and what her experience was at school and how that led you to starting Affirming Reality.
SPEAKER 02 :
OK, yeah, so my daughter, I switched her out of that school because her and my son were going to the same school. And I didn’t like what they were teaching there to my daughter either. They were teaching my daughter that the police murder Black people and that graffiti is an appropriate form of expression for your frustrations. And I’m like, graffiti is a crime. Um, I don’t want my child learning this. So I did move her to another school, a better school. And after a while, the kids were able to go back in person and do in-person learning. And when she went into in-person learning, there were clear signs that there was something wrong with all of the children. They had been isolated. There was something wrong with them. And one of her classmates had been hospitalized for self-harm. And we, as parents, we wanted to do whatever we could to make sure that our children were safe. So we agreed to have a counselor come into their school. We agreed. to the SEL program to have a counselor in the school. And these teachers knew, they knew about the lawsuit, the school, the staff, they knew about the lawsuit, they knew what I was doing, they knew what I was all about. And that didn’t matter at all. After a while, my daughter started talking about LGBT And she just was different. She became a different person. And it scared me. I was like, what is this? You know, at first I was like, oh, teenagers, just this is the mean girl phase we’re going through. Fantastic. I’m so excited for this. Um, and I just kind of just wanted to just shut my eyes and just wake up when it was over. But the more that I paid attention to what was going on with her, it started to concern me. And we went to visit a relative that is off grid really. And there were, there was no cell phones, there was no internet, there was none of that. And she went back to being the normal girl that liked pigtails and petticoats. And I just didn’t understand what was happening. And when we finally went back to Las Vegas, before the start of the school year, the behavior started to return. that’s when I realized there’s something going on with, you know, that’s online, her friends and, you know, social media, stuff like that. I started to realize that that was an issue. But it was still relatively normal. It wasn’t until the school year started And that was when the serious problems began. The cutting and the yelling and the door slamming and just the craziness, the isolating and all of that stuff. And she was just being mean and cruel. And that was when I realized it’s her school. It’s the school.
SPEAKER 03 :
Wow. Yeah, I mean, I agree with you that social media is extremely powerful this day and age. You and I didn’t grow up with this, you know. I miss those days, especially as a teacher, not having to fight with children about put your cell phone away or get off of that website. Even on school sanctioned technology, students are able to get past firewalls and go into social media pages and the things that they talk about. that parents don’t know when they’re chatting with each other, it’s astounding. And so, yes, I think that that was a really amazing and God sent aha for you about what do I need to do? So you pulled your daughter out and you were able to change her environment. When you’re talking with other parents, were you alone or did you find another community of parents that were going through the same thing that you were going through?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, yes and no. So, I mean, I was able to find some people who were experiencing this. And it wasn’t as easy as just packing up and leaving because I knew that if I did this the wrong way, CPS was going to show up at my door. And so I basically created a plan very similar to a domestic violence situation. We even stayed at an undisclosed location for a week. so that I could tie up all my loose ends in Las Vegas. And we essentially escaped back to my hometown of Houston, Texas, to my extended family. And that was when the search began to try to find how to help my daughter. And I did find people. but they were in the same boat I was in, most of them. Most of them were having the same issues that I was having with my own daughter. And so there wasn’t a whole lot of help. And the help that was available just didn’t seem like what was happening with my daughter. I just disagreed with the way that they were categorizing and characterizing what was happening to my daughter. The way that they described it didn’t fit. It didn’t quite fit. So essentially, I ended up creating the program that I needed. I created the program that I needed to help my daughter.
SPEAKER 03 :
Gabs, yeah, I think in those early days, no one knew really what was going on. And they were trying to collect evidence and proof because you can’t just say, I think this is happening in our schools or go to an attorney without any proof or evidence of what type of violation is happening in our schools. And you’re right. Parents were being targeted. I mean, during that time, parents like you were being called domestic terrorists.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, yes. Yes. Yes. That was I mean, that was I was actually on a list that was considered a domestic terrorist. I mean, that’s the craziest. I was in a wheelchair, you know, like it was just it was just a crazy thing to be exposed to and to be targeted. I’m like, I’m an overweight, middle-aged woman in the suburbs. It was bizarre to me to be labeled that. But that didn’t change my position on any of this. You can call me whatever you want. I’m a mother first.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, don’t mess with mama bears because mamas will come, you know, but that is your first calling is to protect your child. You are the first teacher of your child. It’s not the government’s role to come in and indoctrinate your children and impose certain ideology on your children. And that’s my message even to teachers because we as teachers, we work with children every day and we have the ability to, to create an environment that is a healthy learning environment for all children. When you send your children to me to school, my job is to educate them on the curriculum, on the content, send them back to you in the same condition you sent them to me, if not better, but not to you know, weaponize the fact that children are going through puberty. Sure. Because what 12 year old girl is comfortable in her body and happy with her? No. So when you start to put things in their mind, which is what was happening. Yes. It was literally they changed the name of Gay Straight Alliance, GSA. It used to be called Gay Straight Alliance to Gender Sexuality. And I remember the day they changed the name and I went to my principal and I said, you know what? I am not comfortable with that. Why are we talking to minor children about their sexuality without their parents knowing? And Gabs, they would bring children into an office with a counselor and shut the door and parents wouldn’t know what these adults were talking to these children about. And that is not a partnership. That is not working alongside parents and respecting parents and who they are. So let’s talk about affirming reality. What does affirming reality do and what’s your mission?
SPEAKER 02 :
So I work with Dr. Nikki Johnson. She’s a pediatrician. She was my apprentice for a year and now she, we work alongside one another and we help people parent their children into desistance from social transition. Our mission is to ruin the gender industry in America forever. And we want to do that by stopping this indoctrination and empowering parents to take back the reins of the protectors and the authority of their children. I am the world’s leading authority on my children. I know them better than anyone in the world. I have the final say. I make the decisions about what happens with them while they’re young. And I empower them to make decisions for themselves as they grow up. And this is what we teach parents how to do. We teach parents how to build bonds with their children so that their trans identifying children or their non-binary children or queer identifying children If they are experiencing any kind of sex rejection, we teach parents how to build bonds with them and get their children to talk about what it is that’s going on with them so that their parents can help them.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, that’s what’s critical. We don’t want children going to their teacher as the first trusted adult. We want children to go to their parents as the first trusted adult. And here’s the other thing about when we use the term indoctrination, it’s not just students gaps that are indoctrinated. It’s teachers who are indoctrinated by the teacher’s union to use such language as we’re the trusted adult. We would go through professional development all the time. in my district where they said, okay, think of one student that you can be their trusted adult. And when we start school, you go to them and you let them know that you’re the trusted adult. Okay. And that is the language. I am a trusted adult. I know how to teach. Your parents are not teachers. I’m the teacher. So therefore, your parents should not have anything to say about what I do in my job and my content because they don’t know what I do because I have a degree and a teaching license. Like literally, Gab. And so when you have an army of educators in the public education system whose mission is to go get your children educated, How do you fight back? It’s extremely scary. We have a lot of parents who didn’t have great experiences as students. And so it’s intimidating for them to go into a school and talk to the principal about something that’s going on. And it can be very hostile. I mean, we have testimonies of experiences from parents who say, I went into the office and it was a really hostile experience for me. And they feel… you know like there’s nothing that they can do they feel like they don’t have the power but um i’m so glad that you are encouraging parents to take the power back to hold the government accountable and i’m sure it’s it’s very intimidating um is there a cost to parents if they’re concerned and they want to reach out uh name your website and tell us if there’s a cost to that
SPEAKER 02 :
right so i mean we do we do work with parents um depending upon what it is you know that their child is experiencing their age and things like that um but you’re going to visit affirmingreality.com and set up an appointment and we i mean there’s a free consultation so we can assess whether or not you would be a good fit for the program it is a very rigorous program and everybody is not fit is not right for it you have to really really be dedicated in order to complete the program because it’s hard. It’s not easy. But I did it. Dr. Johnson did it. We all, all of us mothers who were serious about getting our children back and getting our children out of this indoctrination, we all had to make these sacrifices. So go to affirmingreality.com and fill out the form and let’s have a discussion and see if you’re a good fit. because we’ve had some very, very good success with the program throughout the world. I mean, and that’s with parents who are doctors, parents who are lawyers, parents of every different walk of life. They’ve been able to help their children, pull their children out of this.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, Gabs, you are walking the walk because every time I look at your social media and you post a picture of your beautiful daughter, it’s not just how she looks, but she seems happy and she’s doing amazing things. She’s active. She’s being a normal, you know, growing teenager.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yes. Teenagers. But but and I tell this to parents all the time. it’s not your we don’t we don’t do this to get back step for children we do this to get our children back to normal to being normal so anything that they were going to do before they’re probably still going to do they’re just not going to have the influence of the gender cult when you’re
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s a there’s a movement to protect minor children from irreversible procedures like puberty blockers or surgeries and things like that. And there are obviously we have red states and blue states and the red states are all on board with protecting kids. And then we’ve got in the blue states. attorneys who are suing the federal government. And I’m really upset about that because when I listened to testimonials of detransitioners who said, I didn’t know, I was too young to understand the repercussions of these decisions and I was basically put on a path. I was told because I felt a certain way or said something that I was trans and therefore they started cutting off body parts and taking out body parts and things like that. And they said, like, I’ll never be normal, like to your word, normal, healthy. God doesn’t make mistakes. God makes you beautiful. and who you are and you can you can live this amazing life what do you say to people who who will make this argument well if you don’t do this you know these people are going to commit suicide and do you want that you know responsibility
SPEAKER 02 :
Dr. Johnson and I are writing a book right now, and we talk about that. We call that parallel language messaging. So even what you were describing earlier, how they indoctrinate the teachers into thinking that they are somehow the authority over children because they have a degree in education or that they’re the safe adult or whatever the term, I can’t remember the term that you just used, but We teach parents how to push back against that. We teach them how to recognize it because a lot of the times parents don’t recognize it. A lot of the times we have to get the parents out of the indoctrination as well because a lot of parents come to us and they’re still indoctrinated themselves. So we teach people about parallel language messaging with our coaching, but we’re also writing the book and we discuss parallel language messaging. And that’s part of it. And it’s called a false dichotomy. And it’s a logical fallacy. So we teach people how to push back against that. We don’t use a whole lot of facts and figures and things like that. Because when you’re talking to your children, there really is no place to discuss facts and figures. You’re talking to your children, you’re talking to your children from your heart. So we teach parents how to do that. I don’t care what anybody says. That kind of manipulation of the language and the ridiculous colloquialism that would you rather have a live son or a dead daughter or whatever it is that they say, you have to train yourself to be impervious to those kinds of tactics and learn how to say no No, I don’t believe that. And that is not going to happen to my child. and push back on them and make sure that you have, you make sure you know all the laws in your state or as many as you can and know what you can and can’t get away with and use the law to your advantage. I help people find lawyers, detransitioners, parents. I help them find lawyers so they can push back just like I did. You have rights, okay? They’re there for you. to activate at any time you want to. All you have to do is use them. And the way that you do that is you sue them. Sue they draws off. That’s what I always say.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, Ms. Gabs, if anybody knows who you are, they know that you kept it civil today. I did. I have thoroughly enjoyed having this conversation. I’m looking at the time and we have to land our plane, but I want everybody to go to your website, affirmingreality.com and keep a lookout for your book. If anybody has questions and needs help, please let reach out to Gabs and get help for yourself and for your children. To my listeners, thank you so much for tuning in and catch me next time. And remember, educating the mind without the heart is no education. So seek wisdom, cultivate virtue, and speak truth.
SPEAKER 01 :
Thanks for tuning in to Restoring Education in America with Priscilla Rahn. Visit PriscillaRahn.com to connect or learn how you can sponsor future episodes to keep this message of faith, freedom, and education on the air.
