In this episode of The Good News, Angie Austin chats with John Byrne, who shares his unique journey from being a pastor to leading as a high school principal at a charter school. Learn about the motivations behind his career switch and how his background in faith continues to shape his approach to education and mentorship. Discover the advantages and misconceptions surrounding charter schools and understand the choices open to parents seeking quality education for their children.
00:15:43 The Illness of Busyness with Dr. Cheryl Lentz
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Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with The Good News, here’s Angie.
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Hello there, Angie Austin here with The Good News and joined by an old friend. He was Pastor John Byrne when we were friends previously. He’d come in the studio and be on the radio with us, and I got to know his family a little bit. Just a really great guy. We had a speaking event once, and he said, hey, you can use my church for it if you want. So we had a women’s speaking event. You know, John, those are hard to put together, and usually it’s Christian events. Sometimes you’re losing money rather than making money, so you volunteer to church. I was just so pleasantly surprised that you’d do something so nice for us like that. I just really enjoyed having you on the show and having all your input when you were a pastor, and now you’ve changed gears a bit. So tell us where you were working when I met you and what you’re doing now.
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Yeah, so I used to be the lead pastor at Grace Fellowship of Lakewood. And I was there for about nine years and enjoyed coming on your show. I would come down to the studio and we’d have a good time talking about various different stories. And that was a blast. It was a lot of fun. And I had been a pastor before I made a switch for almost 30 years doing youth ministry and then lead pastor later. And so about a year and a half ago, I made a career change. And now I’m the high school principal at Attenbrook Classical Academy in Lakewood, Colorado. That big change.
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Huge, huge in some ways. Yeah. It’s, it’s not something that I was necessarily looking for. Uh, things were good at the church and everything, but, um, my son graduated from this school and I had been on the board, uh, for this school and had previously been involved in, in, um, some charter schools. My daughter graduated from a different charter school in, in, uh, Littleton, Colorado. So, so yeah, I’d been around the education world, was on the district accountability committee for Jefferson County. public schools at one point and did some things for them related to charter schools. So I did have a little bit of background when I made the switch. But yeah, the high school principal retired and then a few people said, you should think about it. And I did. And they eventually hired me. So it’s, it’s been a blast last year and a half having a good time.
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And so now in terms of the Christian aspect of your work, it’s not a Christian school.
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No, it’s a public school. And when you hear the word charter school, some people think that that is like a private school and it’s not, it’s, it’s a public school. And so we are a Jefferson County public school. They are our chartering agency. And so we, as a matter of fact, we just this past fall got our charter renewed. And so that’s pretty common. for a chartered about, about every five years, go back and you kind of renew your charter. And so, yeah, so we’re a public school. So I am, though I used to be a pastor and, um, you know, I kind of consider this like a different kind of ministry. I can’t do certain things. But I’m still dealing with people, still leading people and that kind of stuff.
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Yeah, and kids at that age that often have, you know, a lot of needs that sometimes aren’t spoken, but they’re really going through some challenges. And also, to be honest with you, teenagers can be some of the greatest kids and sometimes cruel kids. There’s sometimes a pack mentality, you know, where kids kind of turn on other kids. So to have – for my kids, there were certain times during their – I’ve still got one in high school, two in college. And I there were adults that really like they were the saving grace. And I can think of two off the top of my head that I really think that they were instrumental in getting my kids to eventually excel in high school, both academically and socially. One hasn’t needed any like, you know, adult per se, but she has favorite teacher friends. But My son was having a really difficult time, and he would have lunch in one counselor’s office every day. And he didn’t have anyone to eat with, and he was picked on, which now he’s 6’4″, CU in the business school, and he runs his own business. Even the neighbor said when his kid went into high school, I’m like, yeah, Riley was picked on when he first went there. He’s like, Riley? Who’s, you know, like, athletic, tall, blonde kid, runs his own business. I’m like, yeah, totally. The first two years were not pleasant. I remember picking him up at lunchtime and him saying… I said, you know, it’ll be over before you know it. And he goes, yeah, but you’re not the one that has to eat alone every day for two years. And so meaning, you know, you only have two years left. So this counselor, he had him eat with him every day. And then another counselor really befriended my daughter. In fact, she’s been home on break and she’s gone three times into school already now. to see that teacher, even though she’s graduated and to see other teachers. I think she’s totaled gone in five times, but three specifically to see that teacher and even a secretary that really took her under her wing. Like she went in specifically to have lunch with her. It’s like amazing those adult relationships, how important they can be. So when you say you’re still doing ministry, I couldn’t, I couldn’t agree with you more.
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Yeah. When they were, when I was going through the interview process, one of the questions that the former high school principal who was part of the the hiring team asked me, and she was a believer, and she said, you know, so, you know, I think pastors are called, so how do you explain that? And I was like, I kind of see it as I’m going to continue doing ministry, and it really has been. It’s been great. And the kids have been great, and, you know, I have an impact in certain ways, but these classroom teachers and the team around me, it’s pretty huge, and it’s fun to watch them grow from year to year.
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There’s a cool thing, and I know I was talking about teachers eating with students, but some kid, and it was on the news many years ago, he started this lunch together, and he was a really popular football player, but he knew there were lots of kids that didn’t have anyone to eat with. And it became this really cool club where kids that didn’t have anyone would come to the lunch together, and this football player, he organized it all because he was the cool guy. And it continued after he graduated. And I thought, what a great thing to be able to have a room where everybody that doesn’t feel like they’re part of a group can come and could all sit and eat together, whether it’s organized by, you know, a student, a teacher, a counselor. I just thought that was one of the coolest things ever. All right. Talk about, you know, what else? Explain the charter school. Explain, because some people don’t know how they work. They’re still getting an education, but you guys have a little bit more control over the curriculum and how the school is run. Is that correct? Like, tell us, you called me and you wanted to talk about this. So tell me some of the things you want to cover.
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Yeah. So I think it’s really important. There’s a lot of the educational choice that parents make for their kids, I think, is just super important. And there’s obviously different options. There’s your neighborhood public school, which pretty much everybody’s familiar with. Private school, which people are familiar with, but not everybody can afford. Homeschooling, which a lot of people choose. And we did all of these with our kids, except for private. We never sent our kids to private school. But we did neighborhood school, homeschool, and both my kids graduated from a charter school. which is a really cool opportunity for parents to understand, I think, that they have these choices to make. And not everybody can homeschool in private school and do a private school, but most people have access to a neighborhood school and probably a charter school, even if they don’t know it. And so the way that works for a charter school is we’re a public school. For us, we fall under Jefferson County, but that would be true in Douglas County or wherever you happen to be. And we go to a chartering agency, and sometimes that can be your local school district. It could be the state in some cases. And basically, you have a view of education that you want to do something that’s a little bit different from what the neighborhood schools do. And that can take a lot of different forms. You could have a school that’s going to focus on STEM or a school that’s going to focus on fine arts or a school that’s going to – there’s one school that is kind of like a last chance kind of school for kids that, you know, are close to not being able to finish high school, and they’ll take those kids. And so there’s all kinds of different approaches that a charter school can take. For us, it’s a classical education. And so what some people don’t understand is they either think it’s a private school where there’s tuition involved – I just did a tour of our school the other day, and the mom was asking me, you know, about money, kind of, you know, is there, are we going to have to pay $2,000 or something? And, of course, private schools are much more than that. But I’m like, no, no, no, we’re a public school. Yeah, way more. We’re a public school, so there will be some, you know, fees along the way. You’ll have to buy books, things like that. But, like, there’s no tuition of any kind. And our funding is from the state. Well, it’s local. It’s more local than that, but it’s per pupil. So it’s state and local funding. And that’s how charter schools primarily are funded. And so when parents are making these choices about education, which, again, I think is one of the most important choices they can make, I think knowing all your options and what’s available to you it’s just so important before, you know, sometimes we just kind of do what’s easiest, which is oftentimes just send our kids off to whatever the closest neighborhood school is. Um, and that might be a great choice for you depending on your school, but, but it might not be, and it depends on your kid too. So, so I think there’s just some, a lot of importance about understanding how all that, that whole system works and what, what the different educational choices that each parent has, uh, to make is.
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I love, um, I love the options and, uh, Our kids did go to a charter school, and then we moved, and we ended up in the Cherry Creek School District right across the street, basically, from one of the best high schools. So we didn’t continue with the charter school because, obviously, we’d moved. It was too far away. I really enjoyed it, and I liked some of the things that they incorporated, like uniforms. I liked that. So there was some of the competition with clothing and maybe kids that couldn’t afford clothing, and then they’d have all kinds of exchanges at the end of the year where if you even couldn’t afford the uniforms, there were really inexpensive options with other parents turning in their old clothes and trading for larger sizes themselves. And then also I liked the manners component that they incorporated. They, yes, ma’am, you know, sir, that you hear all the time in the South, but isn’t as common here. And that was something that they were expected to use, you know, good manners at school. And those are just some of the smaller things that I noticed while we were there the few years we were there. But, you know, a lot of people, like you said, can’t afford private schools and that you do get a private school feel there. And you do feel like I think that the parents and teachers have and the administration have a lot more input on how they’re going to teach and what they’re going to teach. I mean, there’s certain guidelines, but they have a lot more freedom to institute the other things they think are important for the kids.
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Yeah, no, that’s so true. And you might have a kid, for instance, who’s just got that engineer mind, and maybe a STEM school is the right place for that kid, you know, being able to choose that. And most charter schools have dress codes, at least. You know, at the high school level, we have a dress code, not uniforms, but our K-8, we have uniforms. And so there’s different approaches to all of that. And you’re right, it is a different feel. There’s aspects of it that feel a little bit more like a private school. It’s a little bit smaller. Our teachers know our students real well. And I think that’s generally true at charter schools because they tend to be smaller. The ratio from teacher to student tends to be smaller for us. That’s our maximum class size is not one, but one to 25 students, so one teacher to 25. And a lot of our classes are smaller than that. So there’s a lot of those kinds of things. And being able to email the principal or just call the principal and have a conversation, whereas if you’re at a large school, you might not get some of those that availability. Yes.
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Yes.
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Yeah. So it’s, it’s really, and the charter schools are run by boards for that charter school too. Whereas your, your neighborhood school is basically overseen by, you know, the, the county or the, or the public school system that they’re in. And some, some other committees might have some input as well, but, but so it’s all local. So most of the people that are on our board, our parents, almost all of them are, or grandparents in one case. Cool. Yeah, and so they’re invested in this school being successful because their kids are there, and they’re learning from those teachers. And so the community is really more that private school feel too. But, yeah, it’s a really cool environment for kids, I think.
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So I want to make sure that people, again, give us the name of the school, and I know you’re open to if people ever want to reach out and ask you questions, if you want to give an email or anything, because I know you have a passion now for making sure people understand, which I think you did really clarify a little bit more about charter schools. I’d love to have you come back. I like the idea that you guys have a dress code. My daughter’s private Christian college has a dress code, and I think that’s one of the things, modesty, that in high school – A lot of kids have a hard time wearing clothes that maybe are modest because there’s such pressure to wear the shorts where your rear end hangs out or, you know, skimpy top. So I like the pressure to maybe do it a little bit different way per se. So how would people how would people reach you, John, or find your school?
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Yeah, we’re we’re Attenbrook Classical Academy. You could Google that. And Attenbrook is like the park Attenbrook here in Lakewood. And you can do that. My email address is John, J-O-H-N dot Byrne, B-Y-R-N-E at Addenbrooke dot org. And Addenbrooke has an E on the end. Excellent. Yeah, I’d love to hear from people.
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Yeah. And I’d love to have you back and just talk about some of the kids things are facing and what you think is going on with teenagers now. I mean, it’s a tough world out there, but you and I have both done it, you know, I think pretty successfully. And we’re kind of at the end of that road with, you know, raising our kids. So great talking to you, John. Yeah. Good talking to you, Angie. Thank you. Thank you.
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Fine Bluffs, Wyoming is tuned to the mighty 670 KLT.
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Hey, it’s Angie Austin with the good news, along with my good pal, Dr. Cheryl Lentz, the academic entrepreneur. And recently we’ve talked about the illness of busyness. How it’s such a big problem in society and in families. And Cheryl, you are a professor. It’s the end of a semester and you are seeing like maximum busyness and people are pushing it too far, right?
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Absolutely. I see a lot of students who I’ve been hinting throughout the semester that, you know, you need to look at this. You need to look at this. You need to look at this. You need to call me. A five minute phone call could have improved their grades every single week, but they don’t want to take the time. And now I have students that are on borderline plagiarism issues. I know it’s not intentional. I know it’s ignorance, but it’s plagiarism nonetheless, because they’re not taking the time to slow down and do what’s required. And there’s an awful lot of that going on right now.
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Mm hmm. Mm hmm.
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Yeah. I got to remember that one.
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I talked to all of my kids and I said, my friend, Dr. Lentz, is a professor. And she says all these kids try to get into her office hours at the very end of the semester because they want to bring up their grade. And so about six weeks ago, I circled grades that my kids could potentially bring up because at their school, I love this, Cheryl. I don’t know how you feel about it, but it’s kind of a new thing where the school views learning as we want you to learn it. We don’t want you to fail a test and move on. So they allow test corrections. They allow test retakes. They allow you to redo like an entire assignment and try to do a better job. So, yes, it’s double the work, but it’s also double the learning. Like if you fail that you did not learn it. So they give you the opportunity to bring your grades up. Now, in the case of my youngest, she’s pretty much an honor roll student. I don’t really have much to, you know. tackle with her but with the other two they have numerous assignments to redo and they have that kind of a in high school this organizer teacher and he emails me this spreadsheet and it’s like all the assignments they either have missed and haven’t done yet or that they need to redo or a test they need to take and it lays it out each class each teacher specifically And then they do a checkoff when they get these things redone. And they do give them kind of like college study time, like study hours. And so it’s pretty cool that they really have time to study at school. And so to be honest with you, they don’t study much at home, which makes me a little suspicious. I think they could bring those grades up a bit. So they could take a D, like one of my kids has a D right now and something. And so she is redoing things. And I said, hey, it hasn’t come up yet. She goes, mom, trust the process. I’ve redone 12 things and they just have to grade them. So she said, just relax and trust the process. But, but I said, my, my friend, Dr. Cheryl Lentz says all these kids wait till the last minute to come in, to get their grades up and to do what’s necessary. And she says, it’s too late. Like you guys need to go in two months, not two days before the end of the semester.
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Exactly. I mean, case in point, I have a student right now who we do not have independent study courses, but he tried to submit five of his weeks and assignments all in the last week. And he did a really piss poor job because he didn’t have the ability to look at week four and then redo it. And then we look at week five and then to have that steady process throughout the term. If you try and complete all of them without that learning mechanism, all he did was do the same mistakes in five different assignments all at the end. And that’s really not allowed. So the challenge is, is that I do appreciate that at the high school level. I offer my students a one-time pass in all of my classes, regardless of level, for the ability to say, hey, I knew this is something that you probably, and I’ve been doing this for 23 years, I can recognize malfeasance usually from intention, right? They’re not planning to do it, but they’re just not slowing down. They’re not taking the time. They’re not taking the details in there. And so I’ll offer them a pass. But after that, I have to reintroduce them to the real world. The real world is not going to give them that second opportunity. Their boss is going to expect them to get it right the first time. And I will tell you, I lost a hundred thousand dollar job because I didn’t get my proposal right the first time. So it’s a double edged sword that I think it’s good skills to prepare them for. But to be careful that as they get into the real world in college and beyond that, we don’t offer many opportunities to reduce. We just have to be a little bit careful that they’re going to come to expect that expectation. So good, good news, bad news kind of thing, you know.
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Yeah. Good news, bad news kind of thing. Yeah. Well, you know, I’m thrilled that this is, you know, going, you know, better for me with giving them your advice and just kind of getting on them because I’m emailed their grades every single night, all three of them.
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I think that’s great because that’s a project manager’s opportunity as it’s going on, as opposed to what happens in my classes is they kind of like, oh my God, it’s the end of the semester already. Well, now I have to negotiate and I don’t want to have to pay for another class. And And now the panic sticks in. We have this plan your work, work your plan. And that’s what you’re teaching them is have a plan at the beginning of the semester. And then every day you’re just work your plan, work your plan. You just, you know, takes a little time and set up at the beginning. But then every day, you know, you’re supposed to do and you don’t have to stress about trying to fit, you know, eight hours into a one hour schedule in week eight of the semester, you know?
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Yeah. All right. So what else are you seeing with busyness with these kids? You mentioned a sleep issue.
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Yeah, I have a good friend of mine. She just released her national podcast and it scared me and I just sent her an email the fact that she was going and going and going and going and her book comes out and she’s doing all the spec speaking and she’s going around the world and doing those stuff and then she’s just not giving herself enough time to rest and she fell asleep behind the wheel.
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Whoa.
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And I just listened to that and she goes, I put my daughter in jeopardy and she goes, the next day my daughter went out and took her test for her driver’s license. She goes, I should never be able to do that and part of that is because I didn’t take care of myself. And sometimes, you know, I’ve said this before, you have to go faster. You have to slow down. And that illness of busyness, as you indicated, is brilliant because we don’t take the time to slow down. And I know you’ve said this sometimes that, you know, my daughter just needs to rest. Amen. The body needs time to heal. The mind needs time to heal. And I am convinced that how many people are pushing the candle and now they’re falling asleep behind the wheel. They’re falling asleep at work. They’re falling asleep during dangerous times that easily prevented if we can just take a little time to you know what get those eight hours of sleep take a few times yesterday I put the kayak on the water just because I needed to get out it didn’t do well but I’ll explain that in a minute but I finally forced myself to go out and have some R&R because I needed it it was too much stress in the office And the more stress you have, the worse you become for your next client.
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Is it warm enough in Chicago for you to put the kayak in?
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It was 57 degrees. It was kind of warm. I usually don’t put the kayak in if it’s less than 60, but it was kind of close enough. And I’ve been dying to find out if my fixing the kayak worked. And, well, it wasn’t the Titanic. I didn’t go swimming, but it didn’t work. Yeah. My kayak still has a hole in it and it’s just slowly. But my point is, is I prepared for that. I only went down the channel. I didn’t go to open water, but I needed to get out. And it was a calculated risk. You know, it’s something that the water is such healing for me.
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Oh, I love it. You’re such a little lady. Do you unload that thing yourself? Is it light?
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I do. I’ve got a kayak. I’ve learned the whole process because if I can’t do it myself, I can’t do it at all. And so I figured out a system for this. And it really helps if there isn’t a hole in the kayak for my system. After three days of fixing it, now there’s another attempt that friends of mine have offered. But, you know, things don’t last forever. I will not give up my day job as a professor. I’m not a kayak fixer, but the fact is I tried and what I was able to accomplish to slow the leak down, I just didn’t stop it.
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Well, we did something and I remember it was kind of like a mesh and then you heated it up and on one of our canoes when I was younger, I can still kind of picture the grid and the mesh that we put on it, but I’m sure you’ll figure out something with your friends, but I know that you get a lot of joy out of that. I do too.
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Oh, I do and I have to slide you know i have to slow down because and i have to force myself and you would think fun is not something you should force yourself with angie and it’s sad but for those of us who are kind of alcoholics or recovering workaholics you know that we want to have that ability to just have a balance nobody died wishing they worked more and nobody died wishing that that they wanted to have that so the steady balance of maybe you don’t need to be a straight a student But you have to just progress, not perfection. Every time you just get better and better. That’s what we faculty are looking for, both personally and professionally. And I think we need to take our own advice before we, like my friend, fall asleep behind the wheel. That scared me beyond words.
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Well, one of my friends that I don’t know the circumstance of what happened to her son, but he was coming back from college alone. And this has been several years now. And he is in rehab, learning how to eat again, how to walk again. He just had a seizure two years into all of this. His brain injury was so traumatic that… He’s really had to relearn everything, and we’re two years in, and he’s still in his wheelchair, but still working on walking. When she shows his training, the physical therapy that he’s doing, it is so taxing on him and so difficult that I can see why there’d be the urge to give up because it’s so painful. He just keeps pushing away because he wants to walk again and, you know, regain everything. And with that stroke, you know, he’s in his early 20s. He’s got, I’m sorry, with a seizure, he can only smile on one side right now. But hopefully, you know, that will change as, you know, the days go on because this is a new part. So all of this, I don’t know the circumstances, but I’m assuming late at night that he may have fallen asleep at the wheel because it was an accident by himself. Again, I’m jumping to conclusions, but this is something I worry about with kids and pushing themselves too much. I recently did kind of a list of program by myself about how we wear this busyness as a badge. And they had this one of the top. uh violinists in the world he was playing in a subway with a three million dollar violin and all these people were rushing by him and he only picked up a couple of bucks and it’s like if you knew that you were watching one of the top musicians in the world with a three million dollar violin would you slow down and watch and the whole thing was he kind of had a hat on and made him look a little scruffy the whole thing and he was playing a piece that like not many people apparently can play uh that people didn’t slow down enough to realize the beauty right there in front of them. And the whole point of this was, can we slow down a little? Can we build in the fun? Because we’re missing out on so much that busyness isn’t a trophy, like a badge of honor that we wear. i tend to think it is i think a lot of us overachievers are like the busier what we are the more important we are more valuable we are or we can tell all our friends do i have this that yeah my friend actually invited me to some charity event and i said oh well here’s my schedule after school and i had like eight things on it you know pick this person up there then go watch this game and do this and my husband had to fill in for coaching then we had to go here up there and it’s like it looked ridiculous because so many people were helping with the rides and the drives and it’s very complicated sometimes after school And I’m like, why am I proving to her how busy I am that I can’t go to this whatever it is, right?
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Isn’t that amazing? I struggled with that years ago that there’s a sense of accomplishment that if I don’t accomplish something, I’m not worthy, that I have to check the box. And I’m doing a lot of speaking lately. And it’s the point is we are phenomenal just the way we are, regardless of what we do. It’s the being part that we are amazing. We don’t have to prove to anybody anything. Now, it’s wonderful that we can accomplish some things and I will be proud of all of the accomplishments I’ve had, but at what cost? And what I’m suggesting is that nobody ever died wishing they’d work more. Everyone wanted to be able to have the relationships, the family, particularly if you don’t have one, to cherish those as opposed to seeing it fly by because we only have five minutes to do something. And you want to be able to take the time because memories are those that are going to last a lifetime. And I think too many people are, well, I’ll be happy when I get there. No, the point is not the end destination. The point is the journey. Can you be happy along the way while you’re getting there? I think that’s the secret to life. And many of us have life wishing by us too much going. Is it really worth all this busyness? That’s why I love that the illness of busyness. You’re right on the mark here, my friend.
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Yeah, it really is the illness of busyness. And I think that we can kick this. And I guess that’s a great challenge for you listening to for me and for Cheryl. You did it with your kayaking. What can we do today that would really be fun? And there is a lake near me that I found, a reservoir that I can park at a park and walk in and walk the dogs around it.
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have to be a long time either i mean walking the dog i did yesterday too for gracie it was maybe 15 minutes you know my kayak thing was maybe an hour it wasn’t the whole day you know many people think they have to like well i’m gonna go to great america or i’ll go to the thing it’s like no all i need is about five minutes to read a book to go out and see the sunshine to play with my dog to you know, go out with a friend or something. It doesn’t take a lot of time, even if it’s just five minutes. Boy, what five minutes well spent, you know?
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. All right, Dr. Cheryl Lentz, where do people find you and look into? You help people write books, you’re a professor, you are a speaker. How do they reach you?
SPEAKER 06 :
Dr. Cheryl Lentz dot com. Couldn’t be simpler.
SPEAKER 05 :
Dr. Cheryl Lentz dot com. And we’ll have to think of something fun to talk about next week. Dr. Cheryl joins me pretty much weekly for the last. How many years has this been?
SPEAKER 06 :
Almost five years. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. It’s been a while. It’s definitely been a while. All right. Talk to you next week. Thank you, Dr. Cheryl. Take care of your life.
SPEAKER 01 :
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