In this episode of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast, hosts Bob Duco and Neil Boron tackle the latest provocative moves by President Trump concerning Iran. Trump announced a potential ceasefire with Iran, following tense negotiations about the country’s nuclear ambitions and regional destabilization activities. This development raises many questions about the future of Middle Eastern geopolitics and America’s foreign policy stance. Bob and Neil dive deep into the motivations behind Trump’s strategy and whether it represents real progress or mere posturing on the global stage. Join them as they unpack the potential impacts on the international oil markets and
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SPEAKER 02 :
Back with another week of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast. Myself, Bob Duco, Neil Boron. Neil Boron, live out of Buffalo, New York. John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Not with us this week, so on John, but that’s okay. We don’t need him. Neil, you and me can handle it. How you doing?
SPEAKER 03 :
Not a problem. Not a problem. No, actually, you know what? He tends to get away, you know, whenever there’s big stuff going on in the world.
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I know.
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What’s his deal?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. Nothing’s really happening. I mean, if you think about it, these slow news weeks is when he doesn’t show up. I know. See how he is. We’re going to talk about, obviously, the latest with Iran. We’ll also talk about Trump’s profanity-laced truth social post that he issued to Iran. And we’ll discuss that. Also, we’ll discuss going to the moon. The Artemis II mission has circled the moon. They’re on their way back. You know, we’re recording this on Wednesday morning. So whatever has happened as of Wednesday morning, we’re able to talk about. Neil, let’s dive into the Iran thing first. As of last night, President Trump announced that by 8 p.m. last night, Tuesday night, that if Iran did not agree to a ceasefire, that he was going to just unload a new massive waves of bombs. And this time he was going to go after their infrastructure, their bridges, their power plants. It would have been devastating for Iran. So far, Trump has shown resistance. They’ve left their energy plants and power plants and electricity. They left that alone. And they’ve left, for the most part, most of their bridges and infrastructure there. But he said, that’s all coming down 8 p.m. Tuesday night if you guys don’t make a deal. And then apparently you got the prime minister of Pakistan who kind of functioned as a broker basically saying to Iran, come on, agree to a ceasefire, and then talking with Trump on the phone. and saying, look, if Iran has come up with a 10-point plan that they’re saying, hey, look, we’re willing to do this. Trump is saying, well, okay, that’s a workable thing, so we’ll go ahead and agree to a two-week ceasefire. So both sides ceasefire for two weeks. Here’s a statement the president put out last night, quote, Based on conversations with Prime Minister Shabazz Sharif and Field Marshal Asim Muneer of Pakistan, and wherein they requested that I hold off the destruction force being sent tonight to Iran, and subject to the Islamic Republic of Iran agreeing to the complete, immediate, and safe opening of the Strait of Hormuz, I agree to suspend the bombing and attack of Iran for a period of two weeks. This will be a double-sided ceasefire. The reason for doing so is that we have already met and exceeded all military objectives and are very far along with a definitive agreement concerning long-term peace with Iran and peace in the Middle East. We received a 10-point proposal from Iran and believe it is a workable basis on which to negotiate.” Almost all of the various points of past contention have been agreed to between the United States and Iran, but a two-week period will allow the agreement to be finalized and consummated. On behalf of the United States of America as president and also representing the countries of the Middle East, it is an honor to have this long-term problem close to a resolution. Thank you for your attention to this matter. And so the Strait of Hormuz is opened. And Iran is allowing it to open. The ships are starting to flow through there. Oil prices are already now starting to plummet. And so, so far, good signs. What we have to wait and see is over the course of the next two weeks, is Iran actually going to stick to this? Because, Neil, I would not put it past Donald Trump to start bombing again. He is not a guy to bluff with. But it does appear so far that this is a really, really positive move in a positive direction. What’s your take at this point with the latest ceasefire announcement?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I was pleased just as a human being, pleased to hear that fighting would stop for a while and thrilled by the possibility of a decision down the road, although I remain really skeptical about it. And we can talk about that a little bit later on. But U.S. forces, and I would assume Israeli forces, and they have agreed to cooperate with the ceasefire as well, are standing by. And I believe that at any moment, if Donald Trump believes that Iran is breaking their side of the agreement in any way that the deal is off and we’re back on to destroying key infrastructure or whatever else they’re going to be going after. The whole thing was obviously disturbing. And when he was saying he was going to wipe an entire civilization off the face of the earth, in so many words, What did that mean? Is he talking, you know, dropping a nuclear bomb on Iran? What was he saying there? And maybe we can dissect some of that rhetoric down the road. But I mean, the idea that the whole thing took a pause because it appears like Iran is ready to negotiate in some realistic way. Well, good, because it means at this point, at least some lives will be spared and we’ll see where it goes from here. So I feel hopeful, but not entirely confident that the thing is going to resolve in some reasonable way because we’re not dealing with a reasonable regime. These people are fanatical lunatics. And, yeah, the whole thing is very tricky. And obviously, the Middle East is very complicated. influential, and it’s key in terms of biblical prophecy and other things. So what exactly we see unfolding, I’m not sure exactly, but I believe that there’s a lot of significant events happening in the world today we need to be aware of.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, as far as a lot of the liberal media and the Democrats on the left, a lot of them have seized on Trump’s verbiage of destroying an entire civilization. You know, they’ve kind of seized on that and they’ve extracted those words and made a really big deal out of that. I don’t believe for a second. that Trump would even consider launching a nuclear weapon in Iran. I don’t believe that at all. I think that if he had taken out the power plants, basically knocked out the energy and the electricity for the people of Iran and knocked out the bridges and the infrastructure, that this would be extremely damaging to the civilization there. But I also recognize that Trump has to speak with a little bit of Now, I know that Trump is known for hyperbole in all things. I get this. But in a situation like this where you’re at war and you’re trying to force an enemy to take a bended knee, when you’re trying to get them to put their arms down, that is where I think hyperbole is appropriate. where he says, you know what, your entire civilization will be destroyed. Because what that does is it also sends a message to the people within Iran that says, hey, we don’t want our entire civilization destroyed. Is it time for us to rise up and maybe launch a coup and overthrow this government? Because this Trump guy looks like he’s serious. So I don’t have a problem with Trump using hyperbole when it comes to trying to scare Iran into laying down their arms and finally agreeing to a ceasefire. And the fact is that they have. And you know what? I see that as a good and a positive thing. Will it stick? I don’t know. I don’t know. But you know what? There’s only one way to handle terrorists. There is. And that is through overwhelming destruction fear of death we will kill you you can’t negotiate with terrorists all you can do is let them know you either obey what we tell you or you die are you ready to die and that’s pretty much what he’s doing and i know that you want to tell us about pre-born but let me just say to me that’s the weak link in where we’re headed because if the goal is to reach some agreed upon you know
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point of negotiation over the next two weeks. You cannot negotiate with terrorists, but that’s what we’re dealing with. So I, and this isn’t a negotiation.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s my point. This isn’t a negotiation. Trump isn’t extending an olive branch to them. Trump is basically pointing bigger shotguns at them and saying, put down your gun and drop to a knee. That’s the only way you can handle terrorists. And that’s what Trump is doing. It’s almost like a police officer saying, if you don’t drop the gun now, I’m going to shoot you. Okay, okay, okay, I dropped the gun. The cop isn’t negotiating with that person. He’s basically intimidating them by fear to drop their gun. And that’s where Trump, at the end of this two-week ceasefire, is going to be like, we have all of our cannons pointed right at you. Do not even think about calling my bluff. This ceasefire sticks. And I think that’s the only way to handle terrorists. And it seems like that’s what he’s doing. But we’ve got some more to talk about this, obviously, Neil. We’re going to get to that in a moment. But we do want to take a moment right now and remind everybody that this podcast is sponsored. And we appreciate our sponsors, SunPowerLED and Preborn. And those of you that are given a Preborn, you know what a great ministry this is. It’s a pro-life group that… provides ultrasound machines and ultrasound images in pro-life centers all across the country. And when a pregnant mom sees an ultrasound image of her baby, that’s the first time she’s ever seen what her baby looks like. And you know, most often they accept life. They don’t go through with an abortion at that point. So you’re saving babies’ lives when you pay for ultrasound images, folks. You really are. By the way, those women commonly accept Jesus Christ as Savior, too. Problem is that we don’t have enough ultrasound machines out there for all the pro-life centers. And that’s where you folks come in. We need some of you to buy ultrasound machines. They’re 15 grand apiece. You’re going to be responsible for saving thousands and thousands of babies’ lives over the years, and it’s a nice tax write-off for you. For everybody else that can’t afford to do that, we need you to give to pre-born as often as you can, as often as your budget will allow. Right now, if you give $28, that’s the average ultrasound expense to help stop one abortion, to save one baby’s life. So how many babies’ lives will you save? Take $28 times fill in the blank. And here’s how you give. You give over the phone, 833-850-BABY, 833-850-BABY, and 100% of what you give goes to ultrasounds, nothing for overhead that’s covered by private donors. And hey, you can also give online, CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Just click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on Preborn. Give now. And Neil, while they’re at CrawfordMediaGroup.net, we’d love for them to check out SunPowerLED.
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Absolutely. And we appreciate you folks doing that. As we talk right now about the latest in Iran, the two-week ceasefire, President Trump posted this morning, quote, a big day for world peace. Iran wants it to happen. They’ve had enough. Likewise, so is everyone else. The United States of America will be helping with the traffic buildup in the Strait of Hormuz. There will be lots of positive action. Big money will be made. Iran can start the reconstruction process. We’ll be loading up with supplies of all kinds and just hanging around in order to make sure that everything goes well. I feel confident that it will, just like we are experiencing in the U.S. This could be the golden age of the Middle East. And, you know, Neil, one of the things that I said from day – I’ve been saying this from day one when this began on February 28th is that, yes, this is a gamble. I get that. I mean, the idea of actually going to war, military war with Iran, has always been a scary notion. It’s been a scary notion for the last 47 years. And all presidents, Republican and Democrat alike, all of them have said Iran can never be allowed to have a nuclear weapon. The problem is no president, Republican or Democrat alike, has ever considered actually militarily striking Iran. But, you know, here’s the problem. Obama, look at the appeasement that he tried with Iran, lifting sanctions, allowing hundreds of billions of dollars of sanction relief money to flow into Iran, actually sending them pallets of cash. That’s right. I mean, hundreds of millions of dollars of green cash on wooden pallets flown to Iran and given to them. What did that do? That didn’t stop Iran from continuing to kill American soldiers, from continuing their terrorism, launching through their Hamas proxy, the October 7th massacre in Israel. All of this after Hamas. They got their hundreds of millions and even billions of dollars in money from the Obama appeasement campaign. Trump tried diplomacy in his first four years with increased sanctions. That didn’t work. Biden for four years, we saw that certainly didn’t work. And so now here they are on the verge of going nuclear. I don’t see where we had a choice there. but to say they must be stopped now. Because if they were allowed to build those nuclear weapons, which all reports say they were on the verge of doing any time, then that’s it. Our window of opportunity to militarily attack them would be closed because you can’t militarily attack a nuclear nation that can fire back with nuclear weapons. And I think Iran would launch nuclear weapons if they had them. And so… And by the way, Neil, if we let them go nuclear, they would have so much leverage. They could close down the Strait of Hormuz anytime they wanted and tell the United States, what are you going to do about it? You’re not going to launch missiles at us because if you do, we’ll just launch nuclear weapons in the Middle East. You want that to happen? So I think this was a good and necessary thing. And I’ve said all along when the dust settles. If we end up with a new and improved Iran that not are a bunch of good people, it’s not like they’re accepting Jesus, but if they at least color within the lines, they no longer funnel missiles and rockets to Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houthis. They’re no longer the number one state sponsor of terrorism and they’re no longer trying to build a nuclear weapon. And they can actually work with the Middle East and work with the United States and actually even engage in trade with us as a partner. What a different world, not just Middle East, but an entire world, how different it will be. And Trump deserves to be in the history books for that if that’s what happens when the dust settles, Neil.
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Yeah, and, you know, I mean, there are reports. Obviously, they took out Ayatollah Khomeini, and so he’s dead. A vast number of their military leaders and key thinkers and, you know, strategic planners and stuff are dead. And… Okay, so that’s hopeful. That provides some hope. But unless… Here’s what I see, Bob. I mean, obviously, the Strait of Hormuz is a major issue because it deals with the worldwide economy, you know, implications for nations all over the world. Nuclear… proliferation I mean unless you shut down any aspiration they have of one day getting a nuclear weapon and I’m in total agreement for anyone including past presidents who did nothing about it but you know if getting rid of Iran’s nuclear capability or making sure they never have a nuke I’m 100 on board what I don’t fully get and I I’m skeptical I’m just a human being but you know like after after hostages were returned and things were winding down in the situation in Gaza, and by the way, they’re by no means fully resolved, we get that, but Donald Trump was there talking about the possibility of building a resort. Wouldn’t this be a great place for a resort? Turn it into the next Dubai kind of thing. And to me, he’s brilliant. He’s a businessman. He plays three-dimensional chess, which I think has something to do with his intense rhetoric leading up to this deadline at 8 p.m. Eastern last night. I get that he’s on a different level in terms of strategic thinking. I get it. But I also think he’s somewhat naive in the idea that Like all of a sudden, radical, fundamentalist, death-crazed terrorist leaders are going to go, you know, maybe we should back it down a little bit. And you know what? We could make a lot of money selling oil, so let’s just back off the whole thing. Here’s what I’m saying. I had a call yesterday, by the way, to my program. from a man born in Iran. And boy, was he letting it fly like he he said, you don’t understand. There’s 80 million Iranian people right now that are 100% thrilled about the fact that the U.S. is bombing the daylights out of Iran, he said. You know, these are crazed lunatics running the country. They’re oppressing the people there. People want freedom. They’re thrilled about what’s going on. But if the regime remains in power, nothing ultimately is going to change. And that’s where I’m saying I think Trump’s a little bit naive. If he thinks that he can completely negotiate just an economic deal that sounds good for them, okay, you know what, we’ll give up. the nuclear thing, which I don’t believe they’ll ever do if that regime remains intact. I think they’ll find some clandestine way to try to continue doing it. They’re liars. And by the way, lying in Islam is completely acceptable if you’re lying to further, you know, Islam and to please Allah. So I don’t believe anybody at the top of that regime. And unless the regime ultimately is replaced, then I’m not 100% confident that this whole thing is going to end and that everything’s just going to be peaceful and we’ll all live happily ever after. So I’m not sure we’ve seen the end of this, but I’m incredibly encouraged by the ceasefire. I don’t know if you were feeling any stress, Bob, but I was like, I pray to God this thing doesn’t go down because how did the optics look of Iranian people lining bridges and standing around power plants and the U.S. and Israel raining down firepower, blowing up this infrastructure and killing citizens in the meantime, most of which I’m sure were put there by the Islamic Revolutionary Guard that unless you stand here, we’ll shoot you in the head and kill you. So you have a choice. You either get killed by the leadership there, the crazed lunatics that lead that country, or you get blown up by U.S. firepower. And what would the optics of that have looked like long term? This was a really hostile and volatile situation. And until that regime is gone, I don’t know that I can really jump on board and say, wow, it’s great. The negotiations look good. And we all agree on, you know, shipping oil through the Gulf of straight of removes. I’m just kind of skeptical.
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I guess for me and you and I, I think do look at it differently because, uh, I’m not saying, hey, it’s hunky dory. It’s going to be smooth sailing from here. Everything’s peachy keen and there’s not going to be any problems. No, I’m not. I’m not suggesting that at all. But I also I’ll be honest with you, Neil. I don’t think it’s fair to call Trump naive in this situation. I don’t think Trump is looking at this through rose colored glasses and assuming it’s going to be a piece of cake. All right. He may talk that rhetoric, but I’m sure that they’re looking at a lot of different contingencies here. What’s the alternative? And that’s how I look at this here. What is the alternative? He should at least try. If he can try to get this regime to work with us, OK, and to obey the rules of international law, if he can do it, then he should try. The alternative is not to try and let them go nuclear. And you can’t do that. So it’s either let them, you know, in other words, there is a risk of action. I get that. I would argue the risk of inaction is much greater. It’s much more devastating. So sometimes you have to choose, call it the lesser of two evils, whatever you want to do. The risk of inaction to me is greater. And by the way, I know that Iran is way more – large and powerful and dangerous than Venezuela. I get that. OK. However, Venezuela is also one of the top oil producers for the world in the entire world. It was run by Nicolas Maduro, a dictator down there. And you know what? Trump went in there. And captured Nicolas Maduro, took him out of there, brought him to the United States, is putting him on trial. We didn’t get regime change there. The people that are still in charge in Venezuela are the Nicolas Maduro groupies. OK, his vice president. Those are the people that are in charge. But Trump has basically said, I’m going to keep my boot on your neck. unless you agree to work with us according to our rules. And you know what? It’s working in Venezuela. They’re flowing their oil. They’re flowing their oil to the United States, to other people. They’re engaging in trade now. And at this point, Venezuela is a friendly, not a hostile. And it’s not because they suddenly love Trump now. This is the old regime. It’s the Maduro regime. But they’re realizing as long as Trump is in power, we better sit up straight. And that’s what they’re doing. And so he has proven that this can happen in Venezuela. So I don’t think it’s unrealistic for him to think maybe just maybe we can get them to color within the lines in Iran, too. Admittedly, with a gun held to their head. But if that’s what keeps them from going nuclear and funding terrorists while holding a gun at their head, then Trump is saying, I’ll hold a gun at your head as long as I have to. And to me, that makes sense. It does.
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But and I’m not trying to be fatalistic by any means. I’m just trying to be realistic. But you said as long as Trump is in power. Well, OK, that’s another two and a half years.
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Then what? Right. I know. But you know what? Maybe after two and a half years when the next person comes in and who knows, maybe it’s a Democrat. I don’t know. But when somebody else comes in, at least we will have had theoretically a two and a half year track record of Iran not being a danger to the world. And so there is going to be a very, very strong argument for the American people to say, we want the tough on Iran policies of Donald Trump to stay in effect. Don’t start loosening things up. And if Iran does start to rebuild nuclear capabilities or does start to fund their proxies again in terrorism, then I think that’s where the American public puts pressure on whoever the Democrat is to stay tough on Iran. Will they? I don’t know. But at least for right now in the here and now, the answer is not to say, well, then just let them go nuclear. At least that’s how I look at it. But we do want to remind everybody, though, support our sponsors to this podcast, support SunPowerLD, support Preborn. And if you haven’t given to Preborn in a while, maybe give again, okay? You’re paying for ultrasound images to help save babies’ lives. Because when moms see pictures of their baby in pro-life centers, they choose life. And they very commonly accept Jesus Christ as Savior too. But it does take money to operate these machines. And that’s where you folks in the audience come in. So $28 is the average ultrasound expense to help stop one abortion. to help save one baby’s life. How many babies’ lives will you save? Take $28 times fill in the blank. It’s that simple. Pray about a number. That’s your gift to preborn. And if you’ve given, give again. We need to continually save babies’ lives. What’s great about preborn too is Every dime you give goes to ultrasounds, nothing for overhead. That’s all covered by private donors. So you can give right now by calling 833-850-BABY. The answer to the phone is 24-7, 833-850-BABY. Just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. Or just go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn, give right there. And while you’re at CrawfordMediaGroup.net, check out SunPower LED and Neil, this photobiomodulation, which is just incredible technology.
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Absolutely. And we appreciate you folks supporting our sponsors and listening to this podcast. And in the second half of the podcast, we’re going to talk about the controversial post that President Trump made on Easter Day, profanity laced and such. So we’ll discuss that openly and honestly. And then we’ll talk about Artemis, too, and looping around the moon and that whole thing. So a lot more in the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast. This is a Crawford Media Group production. Continuing the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast with Neil Boron. Neil Boron, live out of Buffalo, New York. Myself, Bob Duco, the Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Not with us this week. That’s OK. So first half, we talked about Iran, the ceasefire and all of that. Now. let’s talk about the controversy of Donald Trump’s comments that he made on Easter. Now, as you folks know, going into Easter weekend, President Trump issued a presidential proclamation on Easter, which I thought was phenomenal. He talked about the glorious resurrection of our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ, and how he died for our sins. And it was just, I mean, honestly, it was the most evangelistic Christian-sounding presidential proclamation that I’ve seen in my lifetime from any president of the United States. It was phenomenal. Then on Easter Sunday, he issues a huge warning to Iran about the Strait of Hormuz. And what he said in that post was, quote, Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day. And keep in mind, we talked about he said, I’ve stayed away from the power plants, the energy plants, your electricity, your infrastructure, your bridges. But that’s all going to change Tuesday if you don’t agree to a ceasefire. So this was his warning to them. Tuesday will be power plant day and bridge day all wrapped up in one in Iran. There will be nothing like it. Open the blanking straight, the F word, and he wrote it out. Open the blanking straight, you crazy blanks. And let’s just say it’s a B word, rhymes with plasters. You can figure that out, okay? Open the blanking straight, you crazy blanks, or you will be living in hell. Just watch. Then he put, praise be to Allah. All right. Now, Neil, before we get into analyzing specifically what he meant by praise be to Allah, because there’s some different options and there’s different speculation here. Let’s just talk in a general sense, OK? I went on my show Monday and I spent the first 12 minutes of my show criticizing President Trump for this. and saying how wrong I think he was for posting this and how I believe it would be appropriate for him to remove this post and to apologize for saying what he said. I think it’s unnecessarily provocative, especially to peaceful Muslims throughout the Middle East that sees what I think he was doing was basically trolling them, going, hey, praise be to Allah. Where’s your Allah now? Because we’re getting ready to obliterate you. So I don’t think it was appropriate, and I certainly don’t think it was appropriate for him to use the foul language that he does. I never think it is. With that said, Neil. After I spent all that time criticizing Trump, and at no time, I didn’t give one second of defense for this post. Not one second of, well, you know, but you got to understand. No, nothing like that at all. However, what I did say after that, and this is what I want to throw to you, okay, is that there are a lot of Trump haters out there that will never compliment the man when he does stuff right. They will never acknowledge that his pros outweigh his cons. That’s what I say all the time, his pros outweigh his cons. I don’t say he’s all pro and no con. I say he’s got pros and cons, but the pros outweigh the cons. This post, in my honest opinion, was an example of one of his cons. It’s one of his warts. It’s one of the negatives about him. But my whole argument has always been his positives outweigh his negatives. And the anti-Trumpers, all they’re going to do, Neil, is look at something like this and say, OK, you Trump supporters, what are you going to do with this now, huh? What are you going to do with this? As though they expect people like me to go, well, then forget it. I’m throwing Trump under the bus. I’m stabbing him in the back. I’m never going to support him anymore. I publicly regret voting for him. And I don’t support the president anymore. OK, well, no, I’m not going to do that. You know, my own kids do things that anger me, upset me, disappoint me. But at no point am I going to say that’s it. I’m disowning them. OK, so Trump does things that disappoint me. And I say I was disappointed that he did this. I think it was wrong. But I still overwhelmingly support the job he does as president. And I’m not going to turn my back on it and just turn into a Trump trasher now. I still think we ought to focus on his positives while being willing to acknowledge his negatives. One final thing, Neil, and then I want to throw it to you because I want to get my commentary out of the way here, and then I want to hear your take and your commentary on all of this. This, to me, is a big difference also. between the followers of Barack Obama when he was president and the supporters of Donald Trump. You see, when Obama was president, you could never get a Barack Obama supporter wearing a Hope and Change hat to be willing to criticize Barack Obama and say, oh, he’s so wrong about this. I can’t believe he did this. Or say, I’m so disappointed and frustrated that Obama did this. They wouldn’t do that. Because cult followers will never criticize their cult leader. Mormons will never criticize Joseph Smith, no matter what he did, okay? However, Trump supporters, not all, some Trump supporters are like cult followers, but most Trump supporters like myself are willing to criticize him when we disagree with him, all right? Yet we get accused of being cult followers of Trump. How ironic. All right. That’s my take. That’s my analysis on that whole thing from a general view. Now, Neil, I’d love to get your take on Trump and his post, what you had to say about it even on your own show.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, OK. I mean, there’s a lot of nuances to what we’re talking about here. A number of times, many times, Donald Trump has said things that make me cringe. You say I twitch, I say cringe, but either way. Right, right. Sometimes the things he says, I believe, are reprehensible. I mean, when Robert Mueller died… I’m glad he’s dead. He can never go on hurting other people. Okay. I get that he was offloading some emotion he had about Robert Mueller and what he meant to Donald Trump’s life. I mean, obviously- Which I condemned him saying that too. Yeah, I get it. Okay. So I just want to be clear. I think some of the things he says are reprehensible. In this particular case, and I’m not defending what he said, because I’m not defending him dropping F-bombs, but- The sum total, I think, of what he was trying to do is equivalent to a parent raising their voice after they said three times, you know, I said, go clean your room. And when the voice gets raised, all of a sudden, you know, something’s about to go down. Well, people across the globe understand that when Donald Trump says he’s going to do something, he’s going to do it. The question is, is he going to do it now? Is he going to do it later? How long can we get away with this? You know, and and I think, honestly, he needed to look like a crazed lunatic. who potentially would drop a nuclear bomb on Iran. And I say potentially because that had to be in the back of their mind. When he’s talking about wiping out an entire civilization, he said a whole civilization will die tonight, never to be brought back again. What does he mean? What does this guy mean? Well, we know that he follows through on his threats. So if he’s going to wipe everybody out in Iran, are we going to see a nuclear bomb? blast in Iran tonight? Where are we going with this? And I think it grabbed the attention of the Iranian people, certainly the leadership of the IRGC, and got their attention. And I think it was effective in that way. Should we speak out about it? Well, I don’t care what, you know, the detractors of Donald Trump, political opponents say about it. But I do think the fourth graders in our Sunday school classes should know that this is not how people are supposed to talk to one another. And I don’t want to be, you know, Mr. Goody two shoes. There’s times in my life out of total frustration. I dropped the F-bomb. So throw the, you know, let me cast the first stone. But. I do think, you know, in Christian circles, we should challenge things that are said inappropriately. On the other hand, I think what he said ultimately is what got the attention of the Iranian leadership and allowed them to at least agree to a two week ceasefire. So it was effective. Let me say one other thing. Sure. And we can talk about it. I can’t judge somebody’s heart, but in my heart of hearts, I don’t believe that Donald Trump is a believer largely because of what he said about things like sin or repentance in the past. And, you know, if I if I ever sin, well, then I guess I’ll ask for forgiveness. But I don’t think I’ve ever sinned yet. So, I mean, he made those overtures years ago.
SPEAKER 02 :
He said that back in 2015, though. We don’t know what happened with him in the last 11 years.
SPEAKER 03 :
obviously is very friendly towards the church a lot of people in evangelical circles voted for him so he’s favorable towards a major voting block but okay i’m and i’m not trying to you know uh impugn his motives here i’m just saying that i personally don’t believe that donald trump’s a christian now maybe he is and if so praise god and i pray that he continues to grow in his faith And he’ll come to a place of saying, well, I better be careful because I’m not supposed to let any unwholesome word proceed from my mouth, but only such a word as is good for edification according to the need of the moment that it may give grace to those who hear. I’m just saying that simply because we’re talking about politics doesn’t mean that we suspend the truth of God’s word and act like it doesn’t matter. So ultimately what I’m saying is, what would it profit us ultimately if we get to heaven and say wow wasn’t it great that we had a couple of good years there under trump he was friendly to christians unfortunately he’s been separated from god for all eternity because as a non-believer according to romans 5 10 he was an enemy of god yeah he was a sinner like the rest of us but unsaved he was an enemy of god and we didn’t really care about praying for his salvation we just cared that he made all the right policy decisions i’m just saying this to say look at i’m so grateful the stand that he’s taken on things like a secure border and uh putting you know pro-life supreme court justices on the court and caring about religious freedom and things that we hold dear but i also think we should be praying for his heart and i appreciate his courage i think he thinks on a three-dimensional level way beyond what most of us do strategically I think he’s God’s man for the hour and all those things. But I don’t think he’s the second coming of Jesus. And we now have evangelical leaders alluding to similarities between him and Jesus. Come on. Can we back it down? And can we point lost people to Jesus and thank God?
SPEAKER 02 :
I think those are isolated silliness moments. Most people who support Donald Trump do not see him as the second coming of Jesus.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, but I don’t think we need to apologize for all that either. I think… there’s a place to to call things out now you know the idea that he i believe when he’s when he referred to praise be to allah that he was mocking uh you know muslim trolling islamic zealots and he was trolling them and you know elijah did the same thing mocking the prophets of baal in the old testament but i don’t think that what everything we read in scripture is meant to be uh prescriptive it’s sometimes just descriptive like this is what happened but it’s not what you’re supposed to do And I don’t know, based on the life of Jesus, I think Trump could clean up the way that he deals with enemies instead of going after them, trying to bury them. He said he hates his enemies, his opponents. I don’t think that’s the heart of Jesus. And so I do pray for change in those areas. But I thank God for his courageous leadership. And I think he’s being used by God for good things. And both of those can be, you know, true at the exact same time. So I’m Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
And you know what? I’ll tell you what, and I hope and pray that he is a baby Christian, if you will, who’s got a lot of maturing to do. I hope that’s the case. If he doesn’t know Jesus Christ as Savior, I hope and pray that he does. Me too. And if he does, then I hope and pray that he grows in his faith. Maybe once he gets out of office, it’ll be easier for him to do. You know, I don’t really know. But Neil, real quick, we do want our listeners to support our sponsors. And SunPowerLED is a phenomenal organization that helps a lot of people get out of pain in a completely natural way.
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SPEAKER 03 :
Bob, when I was in junior high, my older brother suggested that if anybody ever comes after me to bully me or to fight me, that I do exactly what you’re saying. Yeah, I know. Act like a lunatic who wants to fight. Bring it on, bro. I know, and –
SPEAKER 02 :
And that’s why I honestly believe that strategically, even though I’d rather Trump find a way to do it without the language, okay, but I honestly believe that his general motive was, let me make myself look insane to them like I’m going off on an emotionally unhinged rant. And yes, I’ll catch heat from my supporters. I’ll certainly catch heat from the Democrats and the media, but I don’t care if it ends up producing a ceasefire. And I did say on Monday of my show this week, I did say, while I don’t agree with him using that language and I criticized him for using it, I did say strategically, I’ll bet you we see a ceasefire in the next two or three days. And sure enough, we do. He called it. You know, I can’t deny that outcome, especially if this ceasefire sticks. So, you know, I get what you’re saying. I agree. All right. Let’s talk about the moonshot. What are some of your thoughts on the Artemis II and these astronauts, these four astronauts that have now gone farther than any human being has ever traveled from Earth because they didn’t do a tight orbit of the moon. They did a wide orbit of the moon, so they were farther away than before. And by the way, the pilot of this, interestingly enough, when they were on the other side of the moon, issued a statement reminding people of the gospel message and Jesus Christ and how real he is. And it’s like, okay, I thought this was pretty cool. And they’re the first human eyes to ever see the dark side of the moon as well. So I’m kind of fascinated by it. What are your thoughts?
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I am, too. And, you know, you and I are both old enough to remember the Apollo mission. Eleven was the first, you know, where anybody set foot on the moon. And the subsequent missions, including what happened to Apollo 13 and, you know, the nail biting, will they return to Earth safely? Right. I have some friends in, you know, my sphere influence, my circle, my tribe that are pretty skeptical about the first moon landing. And so I do, too. Yeah, I know. And we’ll talk about that in a little bit. But I… i’m fascinated by the whole thing i have a friend that lives you know not far from where the rocket launched and took video and uh pictures and sent them to me i had an opportunity to see artemis ii going into the sky it’s just so powerful it’s awe-inspiring you know it’s amazing what’s interesting though is how puny artemis ii is and all that happened there in relation to the entire universe i mean we’re we’re like cheering to get to the moon 250 000 miles away And yet, you know, we haven’t gone one one millionth of the distance in the entire universe. You know, as far as we know, it’s endless. So how big is God, I wonder, compared to what we are capable of doing through Artemis 2. So as much as it’s awe-inspiring, it gives us like a clear bird’s eye view of creation and the opportunity to really see just how beautiful… things are and how they operate, you know, with strategy. I don’t think any of this is an accident. There’s a designer behind the earth and the moon and the stars and the sky and everything. And I think it ought to bring us to our knees to say that this is the God who loves us that came to earth to rescue us. And so I get, I, my mouth hangs open with, you know, interest and amazement at all of this. And I, I really love what’s happening right now. I love to pay attention to it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right. Well, and we do still need to be praying for them because the reentry is actually the most dangerous part of this or one of the most dangerous because we, you know, Columbia, as you know, the Columbia space shuttle, they all died during reentry. Uh, And and so it is a dangerous thing to to reenter as well. But we hope and pray that that goes well. Yeah. You know what, Neil, for the I know there’s skeptics out there and I trust me, I got them in my circle and I know you do, too. And they say things like, well, we can’t get past the Van Allen belt. Well, yes, we can get past the Van Allen belt. There are stronger and weaker parts of it and they deliberately target the weaker parts of it. And when you’re going 25,000 miles an hour through the weaker part of it, you’re only exposed to that radiation for 52 minutes. And that’s one of the reasons why the outer hull of the space capsule that they’re in is with aluminum, because that blocks a lot of radiation from being able to get inside. But ultimately, if we never really landed on the moon… To me, these are the biggest things that I don’t think any skeptic can explain. Number one, China has orbited the moon and taken photographs of our moon landing spots and And China themselves has released these photographs where you can see our debris, including our landers on the moon. So China would have to be in on this conspiracy to help the United States lie to the rest of the world. And I do not believe China would do that. I think if China photographed our moon landing sites and they were barren and there was nothing there, China would absolutely be humiliating the United States with that. So there’s no way that China would be in on the conspiracy. Number two, every single one of these astronauts would have to be lying. But we’ve had we’ve had 18 people go to the moon. Twelve of those men walked on the moon. I interviewed one of them, Charlie Duke, a born believer in Christ. Yeah. I mean, is he lying about this? OK, so they would all have to be lying. Their families would have to be lying. The thousands of engineers would have to be lying. And by the way, so would Apollo 13. They would have to be lying as well. So you’re really talking about at least 21 people outright lying about making it past the Van Allen Belt. And now you’ve got 25 people with these four astronauts here. And you have China taking photographs of our debris. So to me, that’s way too much. It’s just not plausible. We’ve got about 30 seconds, 30, 40 seconds before you tell us about sun power.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, nothing against them. I’ve got some of my own questions. Some of the photos look pretty funky. There used to be a kid’s show on Channel 7 in Buffalo called Rocket Ship 7 when I was six, seven years old. And if you look at the set of what they were showing us back then, it looked pretty modern back then, but it looks ridiculous today to see the historic set that was a part of that. So some of the photos and stuff, they raise questions. I get it. And if you’re sincerely questioning all of it, god loves you and i love you too i i witnessed with my own eyes i believe what happened in 1969 and i’m pretty confident that we did go to the moon now why communication hasn’t improved much i had a guy call my show the other day and he was less clear using digital media and you know telephone technology today than what Neil Armstrong sounded like talking to President Nixon. So I don’t know. I don’t know about that. I’ve got questions, but I believe it’s real, and I believe Artemis II has circled the moon, and one day we’ll probably go there again. Anyway, let me tell you about SunPower LED. They’re one of our sponsors. And speaking of high technology, can you imagine harnessing certain wavelengths of red and near-infrared light and then using that to penetrate the human body, get to the cellular level, energize the mitochondria in the cells To do what? To do what the cell was designed by God to do, and that’s to reduce pain, reduce swelling, and definitely promote healing in our bodies. Well, healing for what? Just about anything. I mean, plantar fasciitis, knee pain, spinal stenosis, vision problems. joint pain, migraines, shingles outbreaks, arthritis pain. If you’re suffering from pain and you want relief, you need to look into what light therapy from SunPower LED can do for you. Don’t bother buying anything on Amazon. The units that you can get there are Mickey Mouse. These things are turbocharged, highly effective in getting to the cellular level to heal our bodies. And you can learn all about SunPowerLED by going to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. By the way, if you order something, use the promo code ROUNDTABLE10 to save yourself 10% by going to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. And while you’re there, check out our other sponsor, Preborn.
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SPEAKER 03 :
I just want to take off my tinfoil hat.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, go ahead. Exactly. Well, you know what? I know you’re having lunch with Bigfoot today and Elvis. Exactly. All right, Neil. Hey, I’ll talk to you later. Thanks for listening, everybody. We’ll see you next week.
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