Join Angie Austin as she reconnects with an old friend, Scott Montgomery, to delve into the concept of unconventional success. Scott shares insights from his book, ‘How You Go There,’ a companion guide that explores the journey from unconventional beginnings to fulfilling leadership roles. Angie and Scott reflect on their parallel life paths, the lessons learned along the way, and the significance of partnerships and relationships in both personal and professional realms. Tune in to explore these intriguing narratives and gather valuable takeaways for your own life journey.
Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with The Good News, here’s Angie.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hello there, Angie Austin here for The Good News. Very excited to have an old friend back on the show, Scott Montgomery. The book we’re talking about today is How You Go There, the companion guide to How Did You Get Here? Lessons of Unconventional Success. Hey, Scott.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hello, Angie. Thank you for having me. It’s great to hear your voice. It’s been a few minutes.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes. And I always joke that we’re like fraternal twins because, you know, our kids are the same age. We’re the same age. We just got into buying, you know, investment rental properties. And, you know, you’ve been married the same amount of time that I’ve been married. And like, you know, one of your kids was going to college the first time mine was going. And your kid was getting a driver’s license the first time mine was getting one. So it just cracks me up that we have like parallel lives.
SPEAKER 04 :
We are truly living parallel lives. And it’s so nice to have you as a friend to bounce it off of, because isn’t it trying sometimes? Yes, it’s definitely.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, yes, yes. Well, in fact, it was kind of scary because, you know, my kids drive my Tesla sometimes. And my son even said, like, I don’t know if I should drive it anymore. It’s just it’s too tempting for me because it’s a very fast car. And I mean, very fast, like one of the fastest cars like in the world, literally.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, here we go. I had one of those, too. So I know exactly what you’re talking about.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s just too tempting. Not for me. I’m fine with it. But I just use it when I have to merge quickly or something or get in front of somebody. That’s the only time I use the speed. But. My son knew – one of his roommates was a football player, and he goes to all the games, and he knows some of the players. And just recently, one of the kids was driving his Tesla 3, same model I have, same year I have, one of the quarterbacks, and he went around a curve driving. And he died. And, you know, I don’t know what the circumstances were exactly, but apparently it went like through a barrier and down an embankment and hit something and then was in flames. I mean, I read all this in a news article, so I haven’t heard the most recent update, but just so sad. Anyway, yes, kids getting driver’s licenses. My daughter backed out of our driveway and hit an Uber Eats driver. And I saw him on the camera. He literally pulled in front of her car as she was pulling out of the driveway. So it was kind of a bizarre accident. And then the poor guy, like – He borrowed someone else’s car. There wasn’t any insurance. He didn’t have a driver’s license and he wasn’t here legally. So I’m like, oh, my gosh, like and a kid in the backseat, not in a car seat. So I’m like, oh, gosh, where do we go from here? Like every single thing that, you know, could pose a problem for the situation. So. You know, we ended up just paying for all the repairs and just making it simple. But, you know, and then my other son, I think I told you he someone pulled in front of him red red light about a year ago and it totaled his car was a very serious accident. And a lot of people just don’t have much insurance. And even though it was her fault, she had very little insurance. You know, that’s why I always get the uninsured and underinsured on your policy. Thank goodness we had that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yes, totally. And thank God I haven’t had some of the circumstances you had. So I’m getting and my kids have been driving now a little a year or two. So I’m knocking on wood that we don’t have those experiences. I’ve been lucky.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m so glad. All right. Well, let’s talk about now that we’ve caught up a little bit. And it’s funny because you and I go on like all the same sports trips like your son’s in baseball. My son was in baseball. I travel for volleyball. I travel for basketball. I mean, it’s unbelievable how much you travel for kids sports when they’re the age of our kids.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s unbelievable. It’s unbelievable. And I’m sorry we’re going to miss each other in the next round at the end of the month that we just talked about.
SPEAKER 05 :
How funny is that? I’m there for three days. Then you come for a few days. Then I come back for three days and we literally miss each other. And back on the twin thing, you and I are both going to the same show at the Sphere, The Wizard of Oz. I mean, we are twins.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s crazy. It’s crazy. Same interests. I don’t drink hardly at all. I don’t gamble. I will for fun, but not for much. And just have a good time out there with the glitz and glamour and all the lights and the show. It’s fun.
SPEAKER 05 :
I go for the shows too. It’s so fun. And the people watch. And the food. The food’s pretty good. So you can’t beat that. All of it. All right. I can’t wait. Back into your books. I’ve had you on recently, you know, talking about your not this book, but this is how do you how you go there? The companion guide to how did you get here? Lessons of unconventional success. But first, tell people, give us a couple of minute review of your unconventional success because you’re very successful, but you didn’t go the normal route.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, you know, I felt good about sharing in the first book, my life lessons in some of the things I found important that drove my success, mostly in leadership and how I drove my own life, which then yielded some monetary gain, but also gave me satisfaction. So in my first book, How did you get here? Lessons of unconventional success. I talk about things that were conflicting with this end result. So as a young child, I was silly with money. I didn’t do the right things. I wasn’t healthy. I hung around with the wrong crowd. I was, you know, I graduated high school with a one, one GPA. I wasn’t focused. I had high EQ, I had very low book smarts and it just didn’t blend well for the era. And I felt like I wanted to do that because unfortunately my brother had passed and I realized that there wasn’t much left to talk about from his life. So it spurred me to think about something to talk about in my life. But throwing another layer on that, I’m also a leadership for organizational well-being certified coach. And I learned some of the tools that we use as a coach align with some of the experiences I had. So I tried to map that and segue from my story into a next volume, if you will, which is how you go there, which is now an exercise book that complements the chapters of the first book. But it has nothing to do with me. It has to do with coaching your resolve as a participant and a purchaser or a participant of the exercises in becoming a more effective leader, whether it’s in your life or your organization or as a parent. And so I’ve got a compilation of the eight chapters that were in How You Go There, or How Did You Get Here, Lessons of Unconventional Success, are titled things like Habits, Goals, Communication, Leadership, Partnerships, Relationships, I mapped those chapter titles to how you go there, goals, habits, communication, and I insert exercises that the reader can actually fill out that drive their habits, their goals, and they move the reader and the participant, and I don’t know what you call someone who fills out a companion guide, but that person then moves to these skills applied to their own life. And it was really important for me to sort of offer that as the next version of my authorship in leadership and well-development and the organizational well-being, rather, so that people didn’t just think I was telling stories about me, but that the stories about me then turn around and map to give them a sense of how they do, how you go there, you know, companion guide. So it’s been a real exercise. It’s been really passionate of mine for quite some time, as you know. I’m getting more refined in how I want this to resonate with folks. And my stories are good examples. They’re more for my kids and maybe more for someone to kind of understand what I mean. But the companion guide really drives home how someone wants to fill it out. And so I published that at the end of last year. It’s available on Amazon. It’s available anywhere you can get a book, basically. So is the first book. And the first book has actually got an audio version to it because it’s me telling stories to get the audio book. But yeah, it’s been a real nice opportunity for folks to be able to get some of that leadership skill training, map it to some of their life experiences. And as unconventional as I was, I am finding everyone’s got an unconventional path. You and I both have unconventional paths.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 04 :
And it’s really important to ground that in not my story, but some of the exercises people can evaluate their own circumstance in. That’s where it came from. Yeah, it’s a big mouthful, but that’s his purpose. And I’m really happy for your platform to be able to share that. I’m happy to be working with you to really marinate in that as it gets more refined for the next generation of users, whether that’s someone looking to be promoted in their current job or it’s a bunch of kids graduating college. I’ve got a couple professors, both at University of Virginia and the University of Alabama, that are reaching out to me to have their students understand these sort of inferred life lessons that aren’t really in a curriculum. And so I’m really enjoying this as a learning moment for folks because it’s a self-taught learning moment, not a dictatorship on what you should do through the companion guide and those exercises. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. Well, let’s just kind of break down, you know, get into the companion guide. And if we need more time, I’ll have you stick around for another segment or, you know, have you come back later. But let’s just kind of start working through there. Do you want to start on the first chapter?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, the first chapter is basically about partnerships. And one of the most important things, I think, and the reason it starts there is it’s one of the most important things you can have in life is a partnership. You know this from your years of marriage. I have the same from my years of marriage. And it’s not to be taken loosely that you just love someone and get married. It has to, for me, meet the criteria of the demand. I’m very much a visionary. So I struggle with details. I have ADD. I struggle with details. If there’s a squirrel, I will follow it. even if there’s an important task at hand that needs to be addressed. So in the partnership companion guide, partnership chapter allows you to assess what’s important for you in a partnership. There are three exercises. You can fill the exercises out, one, to understand what a partnership might need to look like, two, to understand what your version of that partnership could look like, so know thyself, and then three, what is it you’re looking for in a partnership? Because for me, without that foundation, the rest falls apart. And I mean that in the long haul. And one of us can predict the future, but take it seriously enough that you’re actually doing some exercises, whether they’re mine or they’re self-assessment, before you just jump in. We’ve all been through unhealthy relationships. And so relationships in the way I describe them are more mentoring and more in business, but the partnership is life. And so the first chapter is partnership. And in my first book, I talk about my wife and I’s relationship, how we met, the things we addressed, the four years of courtship that we had before we agreed it was time. And it was for real. And so that’s really the companion guide is really sort of that exercise. So you’ll be able to do those things with that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, speaking of partnerships, before we get into the next chapter, I want to give us a pat on the back because a lot of people our age are divorced. And we’ve been married, I think, both of us 20-plus years. And happy marriages. You do a lot of work with your wife. I do a lot of work with my husband. And we pretty much do everything together. I think my neighbor was laughing the other day because I was doing Amazon returns. And he goes in there with me. And he has a big truck, so he’ll help me carry stuff in. And then I have them all numbered. And I might have – After Christmas, I had like, you know, 30 returns. Right. Because it’s like all the kids and whatever. And so they’re numbered. And my neighbor comes in by herself and she’s laughing that we do things like that together because I really consider. And every night we go to the gym together like we’re a team.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, no, totally. Well, my my wife is 51 percent owner of our company. She wanted to provide value and she also wanted to be the a player at home. So the other 49% of work allowed me to handle operations and client-facing work, and she handles HR and finance and was the A player at home with the kids. And that really worked out well for us because we could tag team on both fronts. She didn’t join the firm until two or three years later after it got started, but we both recognized that was probably the best for the future we were trying to build because we did the assessment, because we busted out our companion guide at the time and said, what are the exercises we should look at to see what the right answer lands on for us? Which is now back to why I created a companion guide at all so that people can self-assess. And this just spars that along. It spurs it along. It lets them help them understand maybe a perspective that they’re not looking at without that guidance. And it’s really important. And I think, yeah, we court each other for four years. We definitely communicated and we do a lot together for sure. For sure.
SPEAKER 05 :
Love it. All right. Let’s get into chapter two then.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, in chapter two is relationships. And the reason I did those back to back is because the way I view them and some people actually reverse view that. But I viewed relationships in my first book. I described the business relationships that projected me forward. And it was very much client driven. It was mentor driven. It was very much like, don’t be surprised if someone in your vortex is. you unsuspectingly could find them to be the one thing that actually made a difference in your future. And so in my book, I tell stories of how my neighborhood mom was running a sales team and I applied right out of high school. And I’m almost certain the reason I was considered unexperienced was certain and accepted into the job was because we knew each other in the neighborhood. And I would have never guessed that. That job turned into a 15-year career and was one of the biggest things that’s happened to my resume. And nobody would have ever predicted that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Great, Scott. Just stop right there. Scott Montgomery, we will be right back and talk more about how did you get here?
SPEAKER 04 :
Wonderful.
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Sydney, Nebraska is listening to the mighty 670 KLT Denver. Hello there, Angie Austin and Jim Stovall with the good news. Hope you’re having a great day. Hey, Jim. Hey, how are you? I am great. We’re going to talk about the the the column this week titled Lazy or Leisure. And then I thought I’d just tell you a couple of things I saw. I went to pick up my mom in Tucson and she’s staying for a week because I’ve got I’m going to Puerto Rico with one kid for spring break. I’m going to L.A. and Vegas with another kid for spring break. And then because they’re separate spring breaks. And then my son and my husband are then going to go to Chicago for their spring break, which I love Chicago. But for spring break, I’ve been there. It’s not my idea of spring break.
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, I got to tell you, it’s great to be Angie at spring break.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it should be fun. I’ve never been to Puerto Rico. I’m really excited. But I want to tell you, while I was in Tucson, I went for a hike with my brother. We like to hike together. He’s very active. And we went up a mountain. And when we were hiking, there’s this white bike there, and it’s covered in flowers. It’s painted white, and it’s beautiful. a bike but it’s more of like it’s become a statue it’s like a fixed side of the mountain and so i go uh wow i gotta get a picture of it that’s really beautiful with the backdrop with the saguaro uh cactuses and just it’s so pretty in tucson anyway he said oh the ghost bike and i said oh that’s what they call it it has like a name he goes yeah it’s to commemorate that the people who’ve died like they’re all over tucson i guess they haven’t been i think in los angeles as well And usually there’s a placard that explains, you know, kind of says who was there. But on this particular mountain, when my brother and I were hiking, they don’t allow cars until 11 a.m. Well, I didn’t land till two. So we’re up there after the cars are allowed on the mountain. Oh, my gosh. No wonder somebody got hit. You know, we’re facing the traffic walking so we can kind of get off into the dirt. But there’s it’s a it’s a mountain. So there are sometimes there’s no place like really to stand. And one guy must have been going like down this hill. And it’s like I think he was to go like 30. And yeah, it was terrifying. And I’m like, well, no wonder they took traffic off the hill, you know, for a certain amount of time. But it’s all because of this particular biker. um, they got, they got killed up there, but, um, I thought it was a beautiful way to like be an eye opener for people and, you know, to remember to try to get them to slow down because wherever that ghost bike is, someone died.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah. It makes you think, I mean, uh, you know, it just takes a moment and you gotta be careful and, uh, you know, and, uh, but I’ve, I’ve run across a lot of things like that. I remember I was in, uh, paris not long after princess di was killed and crystal and i were walking along and there was i mean several acres of flowers and the policeman there and i asked what is this and he said well this is where the accident was i said so uh when are they going to take these away and he said we do every night this is since last night and they they just unbelievable you know and i am sure after all these years i’m sure there are still some that people drop off today and it’s um Yeah, it’s always good to remember. One of my favorite places in the world is Central Park. You know, it’s called Imagine, and it’s a little area in Central Park right across from the Dakota where John Lennon was shot. And it spells out Imagine in flowers, and they have chimes there. And I have never been there, but there’s somebody playing the guitar that is playing some of his music. And I don’t know if they schedule these or people do it impromptu or what, but it’s a really amazing experience.
SPEAKER 05 :
Wow, that’s beautiful. All right, I’ll put that on my bucket list along with all my other trips. I’ve got family in New York and, you know, well, you know, this summer I’m going first time to Europe. Did I tell you I’m going to Europe? Yeah, yeah, it’s going to be great. Oh, yeah, we’re going to Croatia for the cruise, bike cruise where I bike, you know, and then the ship comes and picks you up after you finish your trip and you move from like island to island or something like that. and then Scotland and London and Leeds, York, and then Germany. And my friend wasn’t going to take us to Dachau, but I said, I think we should add that in there and extend the trip a day or two because that’s something I think that, I know it’s upsetting, but I think it’s something you’ve got to experience because it’s just in honor of the people that died.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, one of the most moving things I’ve ever done is the Holocaust Museum in Washington. They’re on the mall, and it’s… You know, the most moving thing is you come in and you walk down this long hall, 100 yards, and along either wall on both sides, side by side, the whole length are people’s shoes. And it commemorates the people that had left their shoes and gone into the showers and never returned and were killed. It just makes you think. And not in a bad way. You know, the inscription chiseled into the marble over the door says, May we never forget. Yes. You know, and that’s the thing with the bike you were talking about and everything else. I mean, it’s good to remember.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, yeah, I would agree. Well, I just added those two, Washington, D.C., Holocaust Museum, and I put Central Park down on my little list for maybe this summer because I like to take the kids’ places that enrich their lives, even if it’s just for a weekend. Oh, and then my daughter made a really good basketball team, and I looked at the travel schedule, and I was like, are you kidding me? It’s like five trips, Jim. I mean, I’m like, oh, my. But, you know, there’s two last big seasons of club basketball until they go to college. And so for her, at least. And so they travel a lot of places for allegedly for coaches to see them because some of the top teams and she one of the girls on her team is six foot four. So she’s so excited to have a big what is it called a post? What is that called? The center?
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah. Post player. Yeah. Our center.
SPEAKER 05 :
And you know what they call the girls that are tall? They call them bigs. That’s the name for them.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, that’s what they call guys in the NBA. The bigs are the people inside, you know.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, the yokich, the bigs.
SPEAKER 01 :
I just thought – I said to my husband, I’m like –
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t think the girls want you to call them bigs. He goes, no, that’s what they call them. I’m like, oh, okay, okay, I got you, the bigs. All right, so we’re talking about your column, Winner’s Wisdom column called Lazier Leisure, and you’ve just moved your office to home. So you closed up your whole office that you were in for how many years?
SPEAKER 01 :
37 years i was in this office offices and studios and everything and now i work out of my home office and then i have offices at the university but uh how does that change yeah i mean you know i’m a week into it and uh you know right now it just feels like i’m on you know we always closed for uh two years excuse me two two weeks between christmas and new year’s to start the new season and uh You know, it still feels a little like that right now. I don’t think it’s really dawned on me yet that this is the new normal. But so far, so good. I’m enjoying it.
SPEAKER 05 :
And you took a walk every day in your offices that as a blind man, you’d memorize and you’d memorize every step and you did that every day. So are you replacing that with something?
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, I do some exercises here at the house, and my bands, you know, I have these giant rubber bands, a whole series of them I use. Yeah, I think I’m enjoying it. And, you know, I can walk here in the neighborhood, but you’re kind of dependent on the weather, so I do this because there are no excuses.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and in Oklahoma, the weather means pretty soon very hot and very humid.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yes, yes.
SPEAKER 05 :
All right. So, boy, it’ll be interesting to see, you know, because you’re such a social guy, how that goes for you. But you’ll still have like people coming in. You’ll still do meetings. Does someone answer the phone for you if you’re at home?
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah. Yeah, they do. And and, you know, and I am I’m enjoying it. I mean, one of the positive holdovers from COVID is the fact that I think we all learned that you don’t have to be sitting there eight to five every day. And and I’m enjoying it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Wow. All right. All right. So your column and he’s still writing his books. He’s still doing his column. Lazy and still running the narrative television network. Lazy or leisure. So what’s this column about?
SPEAKER 01 :
Well, it’s about, you know, being productive. We all want to be productive, but we all have to define what that means. Productive is is meaningful progress toward a significant goal. That’s what it is. And you get to decide what the goal is. And, you know, so you can see two people laying on the beach right there in the middle of the week. And one of them may be very productive and the other is just being lazy. Maybe one of them just sold their business or had some significant milestone of success and they’re taking their success lap. They’re enjoying the time there and it’s part of it or, you know, whatever they may be doing. The other person, you know, they may be unemployed and, you know, avoiding anything and running up their credit card laying on the beach you know and so you can’t tell there’s no activity that is specifically lazy or leisure and the difference is and i think everybody you should schedule your leisure everything should be done in your life on purpose And if you want to take an afternoon, a night, a weekend, and do absolutely nothing, zero, and recharge and clear out your mind, you just need to put it on the calendar. You control these things. But it’s much better to do that than have them control you. And you’ve got to know where you’re going. Progress is not universal. You could go out to the highway and see somebody driving by at 80 miles an hour, and you think, wow, they’re making good progress. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Good time, good time.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, and in reality, they may be going the wrong direction. They’re getting farther away from their goal all the time. And you really don’t know what it is until you do it. And I consult, as you know, with a lot of Fortune 500 executives and billionaire families. Wow. Without exception, they take control of these things. And when you look at their calendar for events and things, there are huge blocks of time that are anything from family reunions to vacations to fourth grade girls softball to whatever it may be. And, you know, that matters. And you’ve got to get those things on the calendar. If you don’t, they get away from you. And, you know, as you know, for years, Crystal and I have spent an hour together every morning, seven days a week. We sit and drink coffee and talk about our day and talk about what’s important and just our quiet time together. And people say, well, how do you find time for that? The way you find time for it is you find time for it. You put it on the calendar. It’s right there.
SPEAKER 05 :
And you do it early, don’t you?
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, yeah. And thankfully, now that I’m at home, not quite as early as it was. So Ms. Crystal’s enjoying this a little better.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, so tell me, when you were in the office, how early did you get up so you and Crystal could have your coffee time, quiet time together?
SPEAKER 01 :
I’d get up at 4 and she would join me at 6.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, my goodness. And you’d work the whole day?
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Angie, work is in quotes. I love what I do all day, every day. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, I mean, if you get tentacled about it, me sitting here talking to you is work, but it’s something I enjoy every week.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know, I’m laughing because on a day when I don’t have anything like scheduled, I don’t know if you’ve noticed, but a lot of times I get I mean, our interviews are scheduled fairly late. Like for you, it’s like lunchtime. And in my time zone, it’s my first interview of the day. And that is my time. 10 a.m. is often when I, you know, get my time. And so what noon your time, right? Or is it 11 your time?
SPEAKER 01 :
It’s 11. I’m an hour ahead of you. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. So almost lunchtime for you. And that’s the beginning of my day. You’ve been going sometimes for like five hours or six hours when I start my day. Now, I do like to stay up fairly late. That is something that I’ve always kind of liked doing. But I’m not an early riser, which is interesting, Jim, because I did a morning show where I had to get up at 2.45 in the morning for, I’d say, around 20 years or so, not being a morning person. So maybe this is my reward to myself that now I sleep in. But I can’t even imagine like voluntarily getting up at 4 a.m. to, you know, so I’d have time to exercise and see my spouse. And I salute you for that because you’re making the time, you know, like you’re scheduling it in and you’re getting up really early or not as early now to do that. So I really respect that.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, I’ve had people tell me, I wish I had I wish I had more hours in the day. And I said, I’ll tell you where they are. They’re right there before you get out of bed is where they are. And, you know, no, I believe you should get your sleep in and do that. I get that. But, you know, I don’t have an alarm that goes off. What? I just wake up. What? I just wake up. I do not have – I mean, it is set. If I don’t otherwise get up, the alarm will go off at 430. But, Angie, it’s been years since the alarm’s gone off.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, my goodness.
SPEAKER 01 :
I just wake up. I just wake up and I’m ready. But, you know, it’s a matter of do you enjoy what you do? Are you excited about it? And, you know, to me, it’s like being on vacation. We’re all going to go do something fun in the morning. Man, I’m up. I’m ready to go. Oh, my gosh.
SPEAKER 05 :
I love that about you. I looked at my plaque before I call you. It says today only happens once. Make it amazing. And I’m like, oh, that’s something Jim would say. Jim Stovall dot com. Thank you, friend. Thank you.
SPEAKER 02 :
Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.
