Join the Kim Munson Show as we delve deep into the story of Sean Pond, the quintessential American who found himself amidst the nuances of local politics. Formerly apolitical, Sean’s accidental journey into public service after opposing the Dolores National Monument offers a refreshing view on citizen leadership. Discover how the intricacies of land management intersect with the preservation of American liberties, guided by an everyday man who took on an extraordinary role.
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Good morning, Kim, and thanks for having me, as always.
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Well, I thought you would be an excellent guest, because I watch many of your posts that you are posting on Facebook, your articles that you’re writing, and you seem to me like the quintessential American, this regular person that one thing led to another. And you are representing your constituents, representative citizen government. And you seem to really understand this foundational principle. So let’s talk a little bit about you. How did you, you know, what’s your story? How did you end up here?
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Well, I’m not sure how far you want to go back on that, but I’m probably the… the most unlikely candidate that you would ever see someone be in a political office, because I never strive to be in politics. I am just that simple common man that was honestly kind of uninvolved politically most of my life, other than voting the party line kind of thing. So I think it all changed for me in February of 2024. And a lot of people, if you followed me, would understand that I started a movement called Halt the Dolores Monument. And it was unintentional. I simply saw a proposed Dolores National Monument here in Montrose and Mesa counties that was going to lock up about 500,000 acres of land that my family has enjoyed and used, meaning myself, my children, and my ancestors, which homesteaded in this area in the late 1800s. And I… didn’t know what to do. I knew it was federal overreach. And to be completely honest, I didn’t even understand how monuments were created. I didn’t understand exactly how it all worked together. So my wife and I together as a team researched it and found out that it’s a process that abuses the Antiquities Act of 1906. And long story short, we decided to try to fight this thing. And I did what every red-blooded male American does. I Googled, how do you fight a monument? And it came up and it said, start a petition. And I had never done that before. And so I did. I went on change.org. I sat at my computer that night and wrote a heartfelt reason why I would oppose such a land restriction that imposes restrictions on American freedoms. And I submitted it on change.org. That would have been in early February, I guess mid-February of 2024. And it did something unexpected. It kind of blew up overnight. It was during an election year. And as soon as that thing gathered 2,000, 3,000, 4,000, and it kept gathering signatures, my phone started to ring. And it was people like yourself with podcasts or radio interviews or TV channels from the Front Range to the Western Slope and newspaper articles and podcasts. I quickly learned that a lot of when you’re talking to those people, they’ll take a 20-minute interview and they’ll put the worst part they could possibly put about you on there and learn that one quickly. But long story short, it kind of thrust me into, I guess, a political limelight. that within the first month I thought, well, maybe we should have a public meeting here in the little town of Nucla, Colorado, Nattereta, Colorado. And again, that being an election year, while the primaries were open, there was a ton of candidates, everything from county commissioners to health reps and Senate seats across Colorado. So much to my surprise, the very first meeting that I put together My very first time ever speaking publicly, I found myself on a gymnasium floor with a microphone in my hand and 500 people staring at me. And most of them were political candidates or at that time actually public servants. So that was kind of how it happened. And it just snowballed from there. So throughout the better part of 2024, I found myself traveling and speaking on stages in front of central committees at Lincoln Reagan dinners. At one point, I was honored to be able to ask to tour with then-Congresswoman Lauren Boebert from CD3. We addressed the Southern Ute tribe together, did a presentation for them about how the monuments and land grabs, coupled with a wolf introduction, would affect their treaties and their sovereign nation. I also spoke with Lauren Boebert and a panel of experts at Colorado Mason University in Grand Junction. So completely as innocent as saying, hey, not my land, not my Liberty, not on my watch. And a petition turned into this very complicated life that ended up with my wife and I having to shut our business down and made some pretty significant financial sacrifices, um, into the world of politics. And then, uh, Because of an untimely death by a newly elected county commissioner and a friend of mine, Rick Dunlop, who passed away about three and a half weeks into his first term for Montrose County District 3 commissioner, I was asked by hundreds if not thousands of people to throw my name in the hat for his appointment replacement. And the truth be told, I didn’t know what throw my name in the hat meant. I just did it. Went over to Montrose as an underdog. There was three other people. candidates for that appointment that were well-known wealthy businessmen and some other politicians. So I didn’t really have a lot of hope or plan on walking out of there, but I’m not sure if it was a blessing or a curse. So February 15th of 2025, I was appointed as a county commissioner for Montrose County.
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And county commissioners have an enormous amount of power over people’s lives. In fact, I had talked with a Colorado State House representative who said that Ashley County commissioners have more power over Coloradans’ lives than representatives and senators down at the State House. Would you concur with that?
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Yes, yes and no. So I guess I would clarify and say that in my case, there’s three county commissioners, three representative commissioners on our board. And I would say that people need to understand that votes are everything, kind of like it is to all aspects of our government. Two county commissioners have all the power in the world to affect people’s lives in the county. One commissioner, one vote out has no power. So that’s the way our government was designed to work from the federal government to small town municipalities is supposed to work, right? So the vote or the majority of the board or a body of representation, yes, they do have power. And that’s why people’s involvement in votes is so important.
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Well, and I served for four years as a city councilwoman in Lone Tree. And what I learned in those four years, it was quite a learning curve regarding politics, agendas, and it’s really served me well as I’ve continued on this journey. You have been in office now since February. You’ve been on quite a learning curve, Sean Pond.
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Yeah, for me, it’s a strange one because I always say I’m not a politician, even though I kind of am. But I didn’t get into this. I didn’t run for office. I didn’t have an agenda. I didn’t have… anything to accomplish. I was literally trying to fight to protect our land and our liberty, because I believe, being from rural western Colorado and a product of Colorado, that land and liberty are deeply intertwined, and if we lose one, we will lose the other. And those opportunities are something that allows someone like me that comes from very humble beginnings to make a life for myself. That was as simple as it was. So when I hit office, I’ve been in about nine months as we speak, I didn’t just kind of fall in and see what’s happening. As a matter of fact, my very first day in my seat as I was appointed, I had taken that time. And the weekend before, I had written a resolution opposing the Dolores National Conservation Area, a similar land grab here by the federal government that was proposed. And my very first day in my seat, I put that resolution before our board, and it did pass 2-1. And we stopped that National Conservation Area. So within, we first had the luck of being a part of stopping a national monument, keeping our land open for so many reasons. And then my first day in office, I stopped the National Conservation Area, was part of the process of the board voting that way. And that just continued. I mean, all the way up to most recently, I authored a county ordinance, which is a county law that would prevent the introduction of non-native wildlife species into Montrose County, including the Canadian gray wolf, which is a non-native species. And a whole bunch of things in between that. So I like to think in the first nine months, I believe I’ve got a lifetime of experience. I’ve written every resolution myself. I’ve written every ordinance myself. I have deep searched and researched every one of those from state statues, the thing that give county commissioners the legal bearing to do the thing that protect our citizens. So yeah, it has been a learning curve. It’s been a steep one, but I feel like I’ve jumped in with both feet and I’ve been swimming upstream ever since. And I’m proud to Proud to say that. I think it’s something that all elected public servants should take an active role in protecting the constituents, whomever they serve. It’s important not just to exist, but actually to serve.
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Well, language is so important. And you mentioned a politician, and there is a difference between a politician and elected representative. And I really am working to say elected representative, not elected official representative. Because that, I think, does two things. The person in elected office, when they hear elected official, that makes them think that they have power over people. And for the constituents, it makes them think that the elected has power over them. And so language is so important. And you mentioned servant, servant leadership. or being a servant of the people, a representative of the people. This is what we have got to reclaim across our country for those that are in elected office. And we need to also start to reduce the power of the administrative, bureaucratic, state, staff, those things. We must get back to elected representatives.
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Absolutely. In fact, America was never designed to be run by the political class. I mean, it was designed to be run by ordinary citizens, people who stay informed and stay active and refuse to hand their freedoms over to the government. So, no, you’re exactly right. When citizens disengage from the public process, your government grows. And when government grows, it takes away your freedom, and it very seldom gives power back. It’s very important that people understand that.
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And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. As I mentioned earlier, we are pre-recording these shows for Thanksgiving week with very special guests and with very special subjects. Before we get back to Montrose County Commissioner Sean Pond, I wanted to mention Men Financial Strategies. They can help you with more freedom and confidence with your money. They’re an independent firm with over 25 years of experience, and as an accredited investment fiduciary, they put your best interests first always. With a strategy-first approach, they’ll help you build a plan that fits your life. So call Mint Financial Strategies today at 303-285-3080, 303-285-3080. And Commissioner Sean Pond, Montrose County, you’ve been in office for about nine months. And this Dolores Monument that you was the thing that really got your attention, I am seeing all kinds of what I consider land grabs happening. through a variety of different tools, if you will. And this seems to be the agenda of the globalist elites to lock land up or to take land via eminent domain or to take land via easements for industrial solar or wind projects. Whereas if we don’t have control over our land or access to our land, then we really don’t own our property or have access to our public land, Sean Pond.
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Yeah, 100%. People need to understand that the land contains the resources that enrich our citizens. And those resources and those land belong to the American people. And the government at all levels represents the people. It is only there to serve the people. So anytime that the federal government, the state government, or any government official, even a world government, wants to take away your rights, your land, and your ability to control its resources… That’s a direct tack on your liberty and your future for you and generations to come. People need to educate themselves and understand that that’s the simplest direct effect. Whoever controls the land, controls the water, controls the resources, they control the people.
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Well, and I think how you and I met was with Josh Lowenstein, who had created Our American Lands. And so it’s resources, but it’s also access. It seems that there’s this, I’ve heard the term rewilding of America or rewilding of Colorado. What that means, at least from what I can see, is they want to prevent human rights interaction with those lands. And that’s never the way it was supposed to be here.
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That’s correct. Yeah, rewild in the West is a true term that comes out of the globalist agenda. When you look at rewild in the West or rural cleansing, they push all of these pieces of land designations at whatever level they fall. The most extreme being wilderness designation, which literally means no human interaction. They close it down completely for even you and I to do anything but walk on. And if you’re allowed to walk, it’s on designated trails only. But the goal is to keep us out of there. They… They don’t want us out here in the West. They want us all to be centralized. They want us to be part of the gerbil wheel in these 15-minute cities. They want all of us to be in these urban corridors where we’re part of the tax-generating machine that makes the government’s income higher, right? It’s all a very coordinated, very direct effort that I unfortunately found myself educated to. And like you, Kim, once we see what we see, it’s almost impossible to go back and look at it differently. It’s true. It’s real. It’s not conspiracy theory. And once people… If people will just take the time to read about it and see what it is and realize that we’re in the final days of a battle here for Colorado and for all of the western states, this is where all of the public land exists anymore. They’re not making any more of it, and if we don’t all stand together and make sure that We keep our public lands open for access for everything from outdoor recreation to critical mental attraction that provides jobs and tax rolls and benefits and opportunities to our citizens. Once it’s gone, we do not get it back.
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And what I have found frustrating is when I was in office, there were well-meaning people that would say I’m a descriptor. And so what I thought, so for example, they might say that I’m a conservative or Or I protect TABOR, Colorado’s Taxpayers Bill of Rights. In my mind, that would mean that they would try to conserve property rights and these inherent ideas of America. Or TABOR would mean that you would not advocate for new debt or new taxes. But I would see people that would say one thing and do something different. And I went through a period of trying to understand, and then I went through a bit of an angry period. I think that where you have gotten to, Sean Pond, is researching and then speaking with a reasonable voice the facts. That’s where we need to be, because there are those that really are trying to create confusion and chaos. in everyday people’s minds so that these agendas can be pushed forward and that’s why clarity truth is so important that’s what we attempt to try to look for we don’t attempt we do we look for it every day truth and clarity and it seems from all that i see you are doing the same thing through your articles and social media yeah i try to and i guess i’ll touch on a
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I guess my baptism in the world of politics and understanding. As I talked earlier, I don’t come from a political background. I don’t have a big higher education in political sciences. I’m just a normal everyday guy.
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Which is why you’re so good at it.
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I don’t either. Yeah, so for me, getting into this and then finding myself in an appointed or elected seat, one of the biggest things that opened my eyes was I went back and spent a couple of months reading the Federalist Papers and understanding the intent of the framers and the founding fathers of what they went through, what they were going through, and their challenges to create an experimental country that provided life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. And when you do that, what you’ll find out is that humans are tribal, and they understood quite well that that we lived in a country and a world where we would all never get along and we would all never agree, and therefore they saw the creation of a government as a necessary evil that had very minimal duties, and that responsibility was to protect the constitutional rights of of its citizens and that’s that’s that was why the the constitution was created right and ratified by the bill of rights so when you get into this and you read it and you understand it and you actually look at it with an open mind you realize in the world of politics then and now you’re simply never going to make everyone happy It’s not going to happen. So they found if you simply refer to the Constitution as something that should never be negotiated, those fundamental rights of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness should never be compromised. And everything outside of that you can talk about and get around. They created a framework – as real as it could be for us to get along and continue to inhabit the same continent and the same country together without killing each other right even though that’s not happened over the past historically we still the same challenges the founding fathers had then are the same challenges we have now uh like you were talking about private property rights and that’s something i’ve been fighting with um not only myself emotionally but in my seat now is something uh solar panels these solar arrays they’re putting up across the country Some farmers and ranchers want to stop farming and ranching and cover their 10,000 acres in solar farms and make a very lucrative amount of money by doing so, and their neighbors are mad and don’t want them to do it. And you have to look at that as, in my seat, who’s right and who’s wrong? Is the man who owns the land not allowed to enrich himself and support his family by using that land however he sees fit? Or is it the neighbor who’s going to see an impact to his land or possible value and decline or depreciate because of this large-scale solar array. So as an example, those are the things that I’ve found most difficult to try to work through myself. I know what my personal values and views are, but having to sit at a table or a chair and listen and understand that the liberty and the freedoms of one man is no greater as equal to the next man and trying to work through that has been a process and Anybody thinking about getting involved in politics needs to understand that clearly. You’re never going to please everybody. You need to understand the very principles of who we are, what our humanity is, and our God-given rights, and try to make your decisions based upon those fundamentals that are outlined in the Constitution, which is the greatest document ever written, in my opinion.
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Sean, you can’t go wrong when you’re in elected office understanding the principles of the Declaration, right? that all men are created equal with these rights from God of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness. So that means that justice should be impartial. And then also the Constitution. And when I was on city council, this was an interesting dilemma, as you mentioned, dilemma. And on these solar panels, there’s more to talk about because there’s impacts on neighbors from maybe water runoff, but also the questions about If there’s a hailstorm and those solar panels are destroyed, who’s on the hook to fix those? There’s all kinds of questions to ask. But when I was on city council, there was a company that wanted to come in and put in a store with adult paraphernalia. And the mayor didn’t want the store to come into our town. But yet, in researching Supreme Court decisions, every jurisdiction has to have a place zone for sexually orientated businesses. So he convened, and we put in the zoning where there could be sexually orientated businesses. And the town that I live in has a real cash cow, and that is Park Meadows Mall. And so there’s this district that was supposed to be where these businesses could be, but they carved out the mall and said that they would not have to be part of that ordinance. And I said, well, this is not right, because we have to make sure that we’re treating everybody impartially. I was outvoted. They put in this zoning for the sexually orientated businesses, carved the mall out, and they said, well, we have been guaranteed by… management of the mall, that there will not be that kind of business there. But they wanted to have that because there was one store that might have a few of these items. Okay, I get outvoted. I don’t know, maybe eight months later. We have a meeting after the city council meeting, and the mayor says, oh, the different management at the mall, or higher-up management at the mall, and they’re going to put in a sexually orientated business. And I kid you not, it was like three doors down from the American Girl doll store. And I was mad because I thought, this is exactly what happens when you carve out special deals for people. So I went over and took a look at it, and I thought, oh, my gosh. Here, we could have put this in a freestanding by itself building, but because of the gyrations of the mayor and the city council, we now have this in the mall where kids who are at the mall for the afternoon just walking around are going to walk in and see all this. And the message to me was, is always adhere by these principles. And if you do, the principles of the Declaration and the Constitution, it’s going to keep you out of a world of trouble in this political arena, Sean.
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Absolutely couldn’t agree more. And I think that’s where the country we’ve streamed straight so far, and especially here in Colorado. If you look at If you look at the lack of a constitutional balance here in Colorado that trickles down from our governor’s office to the Senate and the state house reps and all of the unconstitutional pieces of legislation that come out, and then you trickle down through all these counties, which are part of the active blueprint, that’s the problem. We’ve strayed too far from the founding principles. And I believe that all trickles right back into what we were talking about, about citizen engagement, right? I mean, citizen engagement is so important, right? Voting is not just enough. All of those things, they prevent corruption, abuse, you’re out of control. It’s important that people understand that their involvement in making sure that your elected representation tries to stay in line with those founding principles is how we keep constitutional balance and principles fair here in Colorado.
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Yeah, and don’t think it was a night or even a weekend. It’s been, I guess my wife would tell you, I haven’t slept a lot the last nine months between reading, researching, learning, making up for lots of years of being uninvolved and trying to do my job. It’s been a long couple of nine months. And don’t think that I understand them completely either. I try to refer to them, try to go back there. Because I believe in this country, the greatest country in the world, that We in public service have a responsibility to the people we serve to understand who we are. And I believe that there are so many. probably 90% of the population of this country doesn’t have any idea. They’re like me. I was too busy raising a family and working and just trying to survive most of my life that I didn’t understand it myself, right? So I now try to put it out there. I try to write articles for the Rocky Mountain Voice. I’ve been on a bunch of podcasts and TV interviews, and social media has been a big one for me trying to get the word out. And I simply share what I learn and what my interpretation is. And I hope that people that read it can, I try to break it down in more layman’s terms so that it can resonate with people. And the entire goal is to get people to understand that they have a huge responsibility at keeping this country free, protecting liberty for their future generations. Because in the end, it’s all us. It’s the citizens’ responsibilities to make sure the government stays in its own lane, that it doesn’t become a ruling entity, but an entity that serves us and our interests. And it starts with the very simple foundation of an understanding of citizen involvement. So I try to be active. I try to speak. I try to write. And I’m only a few months into this. And I see that growing. And sometimes when people, I get a couple hundred phone calls on one subject, I’ll try to write a piece about it or I’ll make a post about it. And I don’t take it as factual all the time. It’s my interpretation, my understanding, and trying to break down just the fundamental principles of the free society and citizens’ involvement in that society, if that makes sense.
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So, Sean Pond, your voice is very clear. As I read your pieces at the Rocky Mountain Voice or your social media posts, your thought process is very clear. And I think it’s because it is rooted in these foundational principles. Are you having other electeds throughout the state or the country reach out to you to kick the tires on any ideas? Sure.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. I think it’s been one of the most humbling experiences of my life. I was appointed in February, but when the last Colorado House was in session, my wife, I think at first was kind of giddy about it and she was irritated, but my phone would ring at five or six in the morning with, house reps, a couple of Senate reps that would call me and bounce ideas off of me. I actually got an email and don’t quote me on this, but I think there was like 800 pieces of proposed legislation that we’re going to go through our house reps this year. And I tried to read every one of them. If you can believe that, I haven’t slept a lot to understand exactly what was happening to the people and understanding how Colorado’s current one party rule is Which is tyranny, by the way. In Colorado, it was affecting everyday citizens and their lives and their livelihoods. So, yes, the state reps, they become friends. There’s 22 Republicans in our current state representative body. About six or seven of those are what I would call true constitutional conservatives. And we’re friends. We talk often. Even now, I’ve got a lot of the different candidates, gubernatorial candidates have become friends of mine. And Yeah, so I’ve got elected officials and some candidates hoping to be elected officials or elected representatives of the people. We do. We bounce ideas off each other. We talk all the time, and I think that’s the basis of healthy leadership is to get everybody involved and open communication lines going. So, yes, I guess I’m honored and humbled to be a part of that communication, and I hope it continues.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, absolutely. And there are those that are afraid to speak. They think if I just keep my head down, they won’t bother me. And they, meaning government officials. different policies or taxation or fees. But quite frankly, on the road to tyranny, if you don’t stand up against somebody that is pushing tyranny or a bully, it doesn’t get better. What happens is they take more and more power on that. So it is important for people to realize that you can’t really keep your head down because at some point in time, your livelihood, what’s important to you, is going to be on the table.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, again, absolutely. Anybody listening, I would just say that citizens and the people, they have to stop assuming that someone else is coming to fix things. In this country, around the world, freedom is always lost in inches. And it’s lost in inches, not miles. And it can only be reclaimed in inches. So every time someone has the courage and the fortitude to step up, to show up, to speak up, you’re fighting for your rights and for the rights of your family, your community, and your children and future generations. So my advice to everybody, and I’m not trying to say something I haven’t done. I’m living through a reality that I created by my own standing up. But it’s important. If we don’t stand on the solid ground of freedom and liberty and make sure that we have a voice in the unconstitutional pieces of legislation come out of Colorado State Capitol or even at our federal government level, we will lose the very ground we walk on. It’s so important to get the uninvolved active, the inactive involved, either way you want to say that. It’s so important right now, especially in Colorado. I’ve been saying this, I’ve said it on your show before, but 2026 is going to be one of the most pivotal elections in Colorado’s history. If we don’t vote for the right governor, and if we allow Senator John Hickenlooper to be reelected, Colorado will continue down the path of one-party rule and tyranny, and I don’t honestly know if it will be able to be recovered. People need to get active. They need to get registered to vote. They need to show up. They need to get involved and realize that voting isn’t always enough. They need to make sure they’re organizing and activating people in their local communities. You start at town hall, like you know, or school board members, those kind of things. So Colorado is at a turning point right now. And I believe that every time that we speak and I speak on different platforms or I write, it has one goal. to educate people, to energize them to stand up and be part of something more powerful than themselves. Because when they realize that their voice has power and they’re not afraid to use it, and then we grow that number of patriots in Colorado, we really can force change and we can start that long ladder climb back to restoring a constitutional balance for the people in Colorado.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, and Sean Pond, I am encouraged. We saw some different pushbacks here in the metro area. Littleton, they were concerned about this density that’s being forced into single-family neighborhoods, and they organized and got a ballot question to put a pause on that. What was odd is the people of Littleton, though, re-elected those in elected office that had been pushing that, so it was… A bit of a disconnect on that. And then people out in Lakewood have been organizing regarding a petition referendum on four different zoning things. And this is just everyday citizens that are on one heck of a learning curve on how to do these things. But people, I think, are starting to pay attention, and I’m getting very excited about that.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I would agree with that. I’ll use a reference here in Montrose County. This last election, we had four conservative school board members that, due to the efforts of our local GOP and citizens groups, we were able to get all four of those conservatives elected to the school board of Montrose County. It was a huge win for parents and children and our education system here, just for freedom of choice of school. On that same election ballot, we had a group that was pushing a recall of a conservative county commissioner that unfortunately lost. So we saw some wins and some losses here in Montrose County. I saw that same frame play out across the state of Colorado, but I can’t help but feel like there is a positive impact. momentum swing in colorado and again i’m hoping that momentum carries forward and more people get active and educated and involved and we can start to see some some positive change you know that we can talk about those big elected officials like the governor or senator hickenlooper but let’s be real the big change really starts when we increase the number of of republican or conservative members of our House of Representatives in Colorado and the Senate. And once we can restore that, that’s where we’ll start to see a constitutional balance, a more appropriate governance coming from our state’s capital. So they all tie in together. But again, we have to fight to take back inches, not miles. It starts with one person every day.
SPEAKER 10 :
And that is so important, and we take great heart in that as well. A couple of nonprofits that I like to highlight on the show on a regular basis. One is the USMC Memorial Foundation. We have the official Marine Memorial right here in Colorado in Golden at 6th and Colfax. And Paula Sarles, who is the president of the USMC Memorial Foundation, she’s also a Marine veteran and Gold Star wife, is really taking – it’s her life’s work – to raise the money with her team for the remodel of the Marine Memorial. And a great gift for Christmas or Hanukkah would be to buy a brick that will be on one of their pathways of service. You’ll receive a beautiful certificate that you can frame and give to your loved one to honor their military service. You can get more information about that by going to usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That is usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And the other nonprofit I highlight regularly is the Center for American Values, which is located in Pueblo. Pueblo is known as the home of heroes because there are four Medal of Honor recipients that grew up there. The center is non-political, non-partisan, but focusing on these foundational principles of honor, integrity, and patriotism. They’re doing great work through their Portraits of Valor, the Medal of Honor recipients, as well as educational programs for K-12 kids. And a great gift for Christmas or Hanukkah would be to purchase one of their Medal of Honor quote books. And that is just a wonderful gift for kids or grandchildren. And you can order that by going to AmericanValueCenter.org. I so appreciate all of our sponsors. And for everything mortgages, reach out to Lorne Levy. We’ll be right back with Montrose Commissioner Sean Pond.
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SPEAKER 10 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. I’m talking with Mesa County Commissioner Sean Pond, and he was appointed to this office back in February of 2025. And, Sean, you mentioned this next election, 2026-2025. It is a very important election, and that’s why we have so much work to do to speak truth into these issues and try to get through all the chaos and confusion that is really being thrown at people on a regular basis. And you mentioned I was the same way. I had voted, but I hadn’t really paid a lot of attention to politics. because raising families, jobs, and all those things. But we all need to peel out time for one thing, the one thing that really keeps us up at night, and become an expert on that, and engage in whatever that issue is. And if we do that, and again, from a foundational, constitutional standpoint, if we do that, we will reclaim Colorado and our foundational principles of the American founding.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, exactly. I think people being – like you talked about being an expert on one. What I found is a lot of people aren’t an expert on anything. I have so many people that reach out and say, hey, especially during election time, what’s your thoughts on the ballot measures? Because they don’t come out and explain what a ballot measure is. They’ll say ballot measure LL or MM, right? It’s really confusing to people. So one of the things that we put together here in Montrose, the Montrose County GOP, they put together a voter – I guess – kind of a educational page that people would go to. I thought that was fantastic. And I think if every Republican Party, every GOP, or wherever you vote, across the state would do something like that to give regular citizens somewhere to log on to, to read in layman’s terms about where your political ideologies stand. And we’re all different, let’s just be honest. We’re all completely different across the spectrum. And you need to understand where you stand on everything from taxation to parental rights to the entire political spectrum. And if you have somewhere to go to educate yourself on what the matters are, what’s on the ballot, that’s going to become so important for 2026. We’ve got candidates that are, look at the governor’s race. We have so many candidates for governor. And once we get past the primary, you have that narrowed down to one. So don’t get so lost in it right now Don’t even choose anyone right now. Let’s just get through the primary, see who the strongest leaders that come up on some of these. If you don’t understand the ballot measures in 2026, reach out to somebody that does. And I would encourage all of the people in, for me, the Republican Party in Colorado to put together a database that answers the common citizen’s questions so that we can all be educated, informed, and understand what we’re voting on. That’s the key. And I think if we do that, And I’m going to bring up the elephant in the room, but if we could also stop fighting amongst ourselves, if we can bring some unity back to the Republican Party in Colorado and realize that there are conservatives, the hardline constitutional conservatives, which I’m proud to be part of, and there is the moderate voter. And a lot of those moderates, just because they don’t – so they simply don’t understand the founding principles of what this country is supposed to be, that, again, the Constitution – And land and liberty or liberty and freedom are not to be compromised on. But anyway, if we can educate the people through a process, we can increase voter turnout. We can increase citizen participation. We can increase, start to increase that citizen involvement, which is so important to restoring a constitutional balance in Colorado and a government that represents all of the people here. It’s important that we get back to that fundamental principle. Sweet taste of liberty.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I totally agree. And you and I have been on the same path. In 2016, I published my first voter’s guide because I would look at the ballot and I couldn’t understand what the question really was. And many times, if it was a piece of legislation that was referred by the state legislature, there might be pages and pages of what you’re really voting on and you didn’t understand that. And so I started a voter’s guide in, I think it was 2016. And it’s been a resource that people have reached out and said that they really appreciate. And then to your point regarding unity, Pam Long, who is a regular author here at the Kim Munson Show, we just published this this last weekend. And what she did, the question was, what if the Colorado GOP promoted an executive branch slate in the 2026 election? And then she went through many of these candidates that have thrown their hat in the ring and said, how about if they take this issue? They could be an expert in this. Or how about if they took this issue and instead of throwing mud at each other, that they, in fact, would be experts on this. Because the mud that they throw at each other during the primary, then the radical activist Democrats use that mud in the general. And so we shouldn’t be beating up our candidates in the primary to try to get that done. that primary candidacy for the GOP, we should be trying to think long ball on this. And that is, how can we have a candidate that will win the governor’s office? And so it’s really an excellent piece. People can find that at KimMunson.com. But I thought it made a lot of sense. And I know that many thought leaders throughout Colorado have been reaching out to her regarding the article, Sean.
SPEAKER 04 :
I have not read that, Ken, but I will go and I will read that. Thanks for that heads up. But yeah, I think it’s important. Here’s what I’ve seen transpire. And again, I haven’t been in this my entire life, but here’s what I’ve watched the last… the last couple of years and i was at the colorado assembly in pueblo last year watched that whole process and been deeply involved across the state of colorado this year what i’m seeing is we have the democratic party even clear to the democratic socialist party which are usually in united and they tend to raise up and they promote and they they’re they’re and i’m just going to say this the weak candidates. And the Republican Party is so busy tearing each other down that we are so divided, we end up with very mediocre representation. So what the Republican Party, in my personal opinion, is, we need to get united and behind strong leadership And it doesn’t have to be exactly what everybody thinks. It can be what we mostly all agree on and raise up that strong Republican American freedom loving and liberty loving candidate to challenge. a weak democratic leader and i’m sorry i’m not trying to be too rude but if you look at jared polis and phil weiser and hickenlooper and bennett they’re just they’re not exactly alpha males right but that’s kind of what i’m trying to get at so i think unity within the republican party getting behind a candidate and i’m going to use the words of ronald reagan But if you have someone that agrees with you 80 percent of the time, you have an ally, not an adversary. The Republican Party needs to do a self-check in the mirror and realize that we need to get unified behind strong Republican candidates. They will then challenge these weak liberal candidates. that’s how we can start to fight back on even ground. But as long as we remain divided and fighting for every inch of relativity, like you have to agree on every note, we’re going to continue to come second in these races. So I believe that the theme for 2026 in the Republican Party is to clearly identify strong Republican candidates and make sure we get behind them unanimously and lift them up and protect them and push them forward for the good of the state of Colorado.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, and two points I wanted to make on your comments there. First of all, this Democrat Party is not the Democrat Party of JFK or your grandpa and your grandma. This Democrat Party is being controlled by radical activists. And it’s important that moderate Democrats and unaffiliated understand that. Because I think moderate Democrats, unaffiliated conservatives, libertarians, Republicans can come together once they understand that to push back on the tyranny of these radical activists and what they’re pushing. And then you also mentioned alpha male. And there’s been a narrative, I think, that’s tried to demonize the alpha male. What the alpha male is, is in all these interviews that I’ve done with veterans and the work with the Center for American Values, is the alpha male protects those that they love. And we need to have elected representatives that are protecting the rights of our children and our constituents. That’s what I think you’re meaning by the alpha male is a protector. And that’s, at least in my mind, what the alpha male is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, exactly. And thanks for giving clarity to my statement. That’s exactly what I’m saying. And I’ll kind of break that down as under Democratic failed leadership and as an example of weak leadership in Colorado is They have crushed the industries and the lifestyle that were the backbone that built Colorado. They have increased dependency upon the government, of which they’re a part of. They’ve become an organization that has stripped freedom and liberty, opportunity away from young. Nobody can afford to buy a house here. Young families are fleeing the state because they can’t find a job, right? And then we have a $1.2 billion deficit. And now we have Polish’s $50.7 billion budget next year, which is laughable at best. They’ve created all of those problems. When you crush the oil and gas industry, the mining industry, the ranching industry, our ag producers, those were the industries that… created opportunity for people to make a good living to buy homes to live the american dream and that affects all of those unaffiliated voters the moderate republicans or moderate democrats those people need good paying jobs too they need hope they need jobs and all of those jobs and opportunity create tax roll that’s how we we we create a positive economy in colorado by enriching its citizens, not by enriching the government. It’s a backward, flawed process in Colorado. And if we can make the people on the rural front end understand that the impacts on rural western Colorado, how we’re all one big state, locked hand in hand, and what we can do for the common man, the common family, Everyday families to take a stand, to once again have opportunity for the American dream, and then we can then put the government in Colorado back in its place, where it’s there to serve the people, and the citizens can go about creating a vibrant economy by their own opportunity, by increasing liberty and opportunity. I’ll try not to garble that up, but to me it’s such a simple thing. A simple plan to restore Colorado to what it once was, the Colorado that I grew up in, that my parents and my grandparents grew up in. It’s so dear to my heart. It’s so important right now that people understand that it’s not that hard, but it all starts with the people understanding what they’ve lost and what we can get back if we just take the right steps and get involved.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, thank you, Commissioner Sean Pond. I wish you and yours a very blessed Thanksgiving. And my friends, we will be right back with our number two.
SPEAKER 06 :
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SPEAKER 10 :
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SPEAKER 10 :
I don’t think that we should be passing legislation that is so complicated that people kind of throw up their hands and say, I can’t understand that.
SPEAKER 17 :
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SPEAKER 10 :
And it’s not fair just because you’re a big business that you get a break on this and the little guy doesn’t.
SPEAKER 17 :
Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
SPEAKER 10 :
And welcome to our number two of the Kim Munson Show. Thank you so much for joining us. You each are treasured, you’re valued, you have purpose. Today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind and your body. My friends, we were made for this moment in history. And thank you to the team. That’s producer Joe, Luke, Rachel, Zach, Echo, Charlie, Mike, Teresa, Amanda. Thank you so much for having me. by looking at these issues through the lens of freedom versus force, force versus freedom. Something’s a good idea. You should not have to force people or coerce people to do it. As you know, we focus on the issues, not personalities. We’ll talk about the people pushing issues, but we try to stay out of all that eighth grade girl fighting that can also be called politics. We are pre-recording these shows for the week of Thanksgiving with great guests and great subjects. And pleased to have on the line with me, you know him, and that is Trent Luce. He is a sixth-generation rancher from Nebraska. Trent Luce, welcome.
SPEAKER 05 :
Was I sleeping during the first hour? I thought we just started. I didn’t know I’d already been on for an hour.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, we’re pre-recording. It’s kind of mixing things up. We actually had a robust discussion today with Wendy Volk, who is a realtor up in Cheyenne. And I think we’re on to something with these conversations on protecting our land, protecting our property rights. We’ve got a lot of work to do, but these are great conversations that we have with you and Wendy, Trent.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, I love Wendy, but I’m disheartened that I had to have Wendy come along before you started to believe what I was trying to tell you.
SPEAKER 10 :
Really? You thought I didn’t believe you?
SPEAKER 05 :
No, I had to get a second opinion. It’s like a diagnosis or something. We don’t trust the first opinion. We’re going to get a female opinion. Then we’ll trust it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Then we’ll trust it. Well, she has done amazing research. She has. And Trent, I started my Voter’s Guide back in 2016, and I was one of the first in Colorado. Now many people are doing Voter’s Guides, which is great. But what I focus on is looking at these things through our foundational principles, the vision of the Declaration. And people have said that they really appreciate it as a tool. But one of the things we have, this is one of the lead-ins on the show, is I used to think it was above my pay grade to read the legislation or to read the ballot questions. And it’s not. And everyday people reading all these documents, and it takes time, but it’s important because these things are being put into law or they’re being used for permitting processes or whatever. And as everyday people are reading these documents and becoming informed, then they’re having these conversations with others. And we’ve got a lot of work to do, but I’m really encouraged. And I guess that’s one thing to be grateful for this Thanksgiving holiday.
SPEAKER 05 :
White or dark?
SPEAKER 10 :
White.
SPEAKER 05 :
You can’t do that. Why? Why? You think it’s leaner, you think it’s more tender, but what’s the difference between white and dark?
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I like it better. How’s that?
SPEAKER 05 :
We’re talking about… More moisture.
SPEAKER 10 :
Is it more moisture? But my grandmother, my paternal grandmother, liked the dark meat of a turkey. So it was perfect. I could eat the white meat of the turkey, she could eat the dark meat of the turkey.
SPEAKER 05 :
So what’s the difference between white and dark? What’d you just say, moisture? Yes, water. The dark meat comes from areas of the body that had more induced stress. So like the legs, they were walking, which builds up a higher percentage of water holding capacity because there’s a higher level of pH in the dark meat. So the dark meat’s actually better for you because it has a higher level of pH. You like the white meat because, well, you think it’s tender. You fall into that misguided notion that fat is bad, so it’s leaner. And, you know, it just looks wonderful. But the dark meat is where the real nutrition and enjoyment of eating a turkey comes from.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, so I take it you like dark meat better.
SPEAKER 05 :
I do. And I can take mine last because it’s always last.
SPEAKER 10 :
That’s exactly right. That is exactly right. I saw someone yesterday that said that they were practicing. They were going to be taking… Thanksgiving dinner to elderly parents. And she said she got a turkey breast, and she put it in a crock pot with a cup of orange juice, a cup of apple cider, an envelope of Lipton. soup mix and a can of cranberry sauce. She said it was absolutely delicious. And I think I’m going to try that. Not for Thanksgiving dinner, but just to try it. I think that sounds pretty good.
SPEAKER 05 :
That does sound really good. Crockpots are amazing. Whoever the feller was that designed that, maybe it was a female. But, you know, you just stick something in there and you come back about eight hours later and you’re ready to eat. That’s incredible.
SPEAKER 10 :
Speaking of that, do you have an Instapot?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it turns out we do now because we’re making yogurt.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, I don’t have an Instapot, but I had been talking, this was several years ago, with a highly educated millennial woman. And I had said, oh, I just like you. I just love Crock-Pot. You can put stuff in there and you come back eight hours later and dinner’s done. And she said, well, there’s been a number of fires attributed to crockpots. And I’m like, I’ve never heard that. And then I thought, aha, I wonder if it was the manufacturers of the Instapot that might be putting out a narrative like that. I don’t know. What do you think?
SPEAKER 05 :
Remember when the big scuttlebutt about the turkey fryers blowing up, too?
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. Now, I have heard pretty close to firsthand that those had started fires.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, anything that has heat can potentially start a fire if it’s not managed. I mean, you use fire to cook your food, and yet fire will burn down your house in a heartbeat. True. So it’s about managing all of these things, and left unchecked, anything could be dangerous. Probably the crockpot had a short in it or something, but I can’t believe it’s a common occurrence.
SPEAKER 10 :
Because I’d never heard of that. Speaking of fire, that it can be a great tool or can be destructive, I think George Washington had a quote about government is like fire, or maybe it was like water, because both of them, in their proper context and controlled, it’s great. But out of control, it’s very destructive. And so fire, water, government, they all are related, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 05 :
100%. DuckDuckGo, because I refuse to use AI on purpose, or the other unnamed search engine, says that while fire does occur from crockpots, it is rare, usually from a frayed or damaged cord.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, there you have it. And I think there’s instructions to not use something if it has a frayed or damaged cord. So we’re going to continue. Who knows where this discussion is going to go with Trent Luce. But we have all of these amazing discussions because of our amazing sponsors. And as I’ve mentioned, we are pre-recording these shows for Thanksgiving week and hope you’re all having a great week. And pleased to have in studio with me, we are recording this, Lauren Levy, who is a valued sponsor of both the Kim Munson Show and America’s Veteran Stories. And first of all, I don’t know where the year has gone, Lauren Levy.
SPEAKER 15 :
I know. Every year I feel this way because my birthday is right around Thanksgiving and it just goes faster. And I’ve heard all of this for years and years and years from people I determined to be old of how fast things go back in my day. And now I’m that man. I know. And yeah, every year it’s just zooming. I know. I know.
SPEAKER 10 :
So are the kids coming home for Thanksgiving or what’s going on?
SPEAKER 15 :
One is home and lives at home. So that’s good. And the other one’s coming home for a brief respite and then going back to school, but then coming back and like we have a late Thanksgiving. It’s nice. So then we have, they come right back like three weeks later. So that’s nice. Okay. Um, so it’d be good to have them home and just do the usual eat and then sit around and watch football. Yep.
SPEAKER 10 :
We are really blessed people to, first of all, have these feasts and then to sit around and watch football. I think we take so much for granted. That’s why we do the show, is to talk about all these important ideas so that we can… continue this great American idea for our next generations, Lorne.
SPEAKER 15 :
I agree. And that’s one of the things I like. Typically, when you’re watching football on Thursday, they’ll do like a satellite feed into some sort of Army base or Marine base or something and see those guys sitting around watching TV and you realize they’re not with their families. Right. And who knows what could happen to that base at any given moment by some crazy person. And they don’t care. They’re out there doing it. And so I’m very appreciative for that. And it’s nice to see when they do that on the game.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, it really is. And at the end of the America’s Veterans Story show, I always end it with, we stand on the shoulders of giants. And it really is from the very first Thanksgiving, if you will, to the Revolutionary War, to Civil War, and now we’re in this great battle of ideas. And we do stand on the shoulders of giants. But as you mentioned, these people that are not with their families and they’re in these different bases, we owe them a tremendous debt of gratitude.
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, I agree. And that’s why I’m here to help them buy a home when they get back if they want.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know what? We haven’t talked about that for a long time. And that is VA loans. How about a minute? Let’s talk about that.
SPEAKER 15 :
Sure. VA loans I love because as much as we talk about things that the government needs to correct or maybe do better, that’s one thing they’ve done really well. That’s been a great thing for us. Anyone in the military, you don’t have to meet the veteran. You could be active duty. It provides cash out on a current home up to the full value of the home with no mortgage insurance. It allows for buying a home with zero down with no mortgage insurance. They’ve given quite the opportunity to those folks at really good interest rates. Those who qualify, it’s a great… I think anyone who has a VA loan will tell you it’s a great loan.
SPEAKER 10 :
When you say cash out, what does that mean?
SPEAKER 15 :
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SPEAKER 10 :
And also, a little bit better interest rate, as well.
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SPEAKER 10 :
Well, those that put on the uniform is such a small percentage of our citizenry now. And we do really owe them a great debt of gratitude for stepping forward to do that.
SPEAKER 15 :
And a lot of times those folks don’t have the opportunity necessary to save because their money is, while they’re out deployed, their money is going to feed their family and all. They sometimes have a down payment issue, so the VA loan covers that. Can really help.
SPEAKER 10 :
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SPEAKER 15 :
The best way is always just give us a call at 303-880-8881.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, Lorne Levy, I wish you and yours a very blessed Thanksgiving, and I’m very grateful to get to work with you. I thank you very much.
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, you’re welcome. Thank you.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, and again, that’s Lorne Levy, 303-880-8881 for everything regarding mortgages.
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SPEAKER 10 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And we are pre-recording these shows for the week of Thanksgiving with great guests and great conversations. But before we get back to Trent Luce, I want to ask you, do you have big dreams for your future, but you’re not quite sure how to get there? Call our friends at Mint Financial Strategies. They know your financial life is unique and is an independent firm and an accredited investment fiduciary. Thank you so much for joining us. And Trent Luce is a sixth-generation rancher from Nebraska. We talk about these important issues regarding the people that feed and fuel us, and all of that is really under attack. But on a lighter note, Trent, you normally have some turkey facts for us when we record these shows for Thanksgiving week. What’s the 2025 turkey facts that we need to know?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, because I like to be unpredictable, let’s talk about lamb this year instead of turkey. Because lamb, this is a significant deal. And, you know, we had such a monumental victory in Denver, Jefferson County, with the lamb, saving the lamb for the nation. But in all seriousness, lamb consumption per capita has doubled in the last three years in the United States. Really? Yeah.
SPEAKER 10 :
Because lamb production in the United States has been declining significantly. It’s terrible. Huh.
SPEAKER 05 :
We are relying on New Zealand lamb and Australian lamb. We have less than five million sheep in the United States. And I was setting you up. Apparently, you didn’t get the script. I was setting you up to say, well, Trent, where did it go to and from? If it doubled, that should be fairly significant. Well, thanks, Kim, for asking. It went from a half a pound per person to a whole pound.
SPEAKER 10 :
Oh, so people might be eating more during Easter or Passover or something, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, which none of my friends in the lamb business are happy about. Easter ham. Because not only is the whole concept, you know, Jesus was a Jew. Jews don’t eat pork, and yet we eat Easter ham instead of lamb. Go figure.
SPEAKER 10 :
You know, I’ve never prepared lamb. In fact, I’m not sure I’ve ever purchased it. And I think it’s because I don’t know about it. I don’t understand it. So what’s the key to preparation? What’s the lamb facts regarding protein, all that kind of stuff?
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, it’s comparable to beef in terms of the nutrient density. Beef gives you a tremendous amount of flexibility on how to cook it and prepare it. Lamb maybe doesn’t have the same wide variety of things. I cook it low and slow, and particularly if it’s a leg or a rack, you do low and slow and you’re going to get along really good. If I grill lamb chops, I will do them hot, fast, and then flip them and kind of like sear them on both sides and then bring it down. I like to hit them with that big blast of heat first. And by the way, I had lamb. On my trip when we did the Man March two weeks ago now in Tennessee, they had lamb on a menu. And there were two people at my table who had never eaten lamb, never even tried it. My mother had tried it, did not have a good experience. So my mom went with me on that trip. And I ordered the lamb chops. I actually said, I want them rare. And I mean, I want them rare. I said, okay. They brought them perfectly cooked. I allowed my Aunt Debbie to try that. And I didn’t allow her. I kind of made her. I said, hey, try this lamb. She said, that’s much more like beef than I thought it would be. I’ve never had lamb. And then Pastor Jeff Weitz asked him, he said, man, that’s really good. My mom said, that’s nothing like the first lamb I had. Most of the time, and my favorite story, my closest neighbor who we lost this couple of months ago, he was sitting here at our fire pit. And we try to have a couple outings around our fire pit each year. Usually it’s a mountain oyster feed about back to school time, which we don’t have kids going back to school anymore. So that’s probably why we don’t do it as regular. But we got into a discussion about lamb, and Roger, my neighbor, was sitting there saying, I had lamb once. I’ll never have that stuff again. It was horrible. I said, hey. Hey, Roger, how’s that, what you’re having there? This is what beef ought to taste like right here.
SPEAKER 10 :
Roger, you’re eating lamb. Oh, goodness. Goodness. So, well, you mentioned lamb, and I think you alluded to Christ as well, who is the Lamb of God. I’ve been working on reading different books of the Bible, and I’ve been going through, Exodus, I guess it is. And no. Anyway, were you reading Enoch? No, no. But the sacrifice, the blood of animals, the sacrifice, the blood of the lamb. It’s interesting to me. I can’t quite imagine what that used to be like when they would throw the blood of the sacrifice both on the altar and on the people to atone for their sins. And, of course, then Christ, the Lamb of God, everything changed with him because he shed his blood for the atonement of all of our sins.
SPEAKER 05 :
Now we drink it.
SPEAKER 10 :
Symbolic, yeah. But that had to be stinky and messy back in the Old Testament.
SPEAKER 05 :
I think we did not celebrate the same hygiene in the Old Testament that we do today.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, that’s true. They couldn’t, for sure.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, I mean, if they went down to the river and got wet once a month, they probably thought it was a great month.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah, I think that the smells of the Old Testament would be different than what we’re used to in 2025 America.
SPEAKER 05 :
It is all what you’re used to. That was a perfect framing of that, because look at what we’ve become used to. We’ve become used to living in a sterile society, and now we’re susceptible to everything.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yes, that is true. I was just thinking about this. One of the interviews that I’d done for one of the America’s Veterans Stories guys in Vietnam, many times the enemy patrol might be very close to where one of our soldiers was. I don’t know that I could be so quiet that they wouldn’t find me. I think that I would be so scared. My teeth would be chattering and my knees would be knocking. But one of them said something about that they would eat the food of the people that lived there because they wanted to make sure that they had the smell of the people that were there so that they couldn’t be found out. I found that very interesting, Trent.
SPEAKER 05 :
I’m looking at my clock because I have something that’s really weird, but I probably don’t want to bring it up at this time. I do find your concept very interesting, and I think it’s a very worthy discussion.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay. We’ll do that when we come back, then. I’m talking with Trent Luce. He is a sixth-generation rancher from Nebraska. We normally are talking about all these issues regarding the people that feed and fuel us, because the people that feed and fuel us are under attack, and it really goes all the way to the globalist elites, who then are moving all of those policies into local government. And so on a regular basis, we talk about how to push back on that. But we’re just talking about a variety of things here for Thanksgiving week. We’re pre-recording the show. And these discussions happen because of our sponsors. And the second syndicate, Elisa Garcia, who’s with Colorado Concealed Carry. And Teddy Collins, who is owner of Spartan Defense, have put the second syndicate together to make sure that we can protect our right to keep and bear firearms, to protect ourselves against bad actors.
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SPEAKER 10 :
And welcome back to The Kim Munson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is KimMunson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And we are pre-recording these shows for Thanksgiving week. And if you’ve got the gang in and you’re going to have a pizza night, you want to get your pizza from Little Richie’s Pizza and Pasta in either Parker or Golden. Little Richie’s is your go-to place for real New York-style pizza, hearty pastas, and that unbeatable local vibe. Little Richie’s is serving up daily specials, quick and tasty weekday lunch deals, and a happy hour breakfast. that the locals actually build their plans around. So whether you’re bringing the crew, catching up with friends, flying solo, getting pizza for the gang, Little Richie’s is your neighborhood hangout. And again, they’re located in Parker and in Golden. Trent Luce is on the line. He is a sixth generation rancher from Nebraska. We’re pre-recording these shows for… thanksgiving week and i mentioned something somehow we’re getting down to i guess the smells the smells of the old testament would be different than 2025 america and then i had mentioned that some of the veterans that i’ve interviewed for america’s veteran stories we talked about when they were in vietnam that many times they wanted they needed to be undetected some of them were ford observers which i don’t know how they did that that would mean that they were watching what was going on to try to be undetected. There were times that I’ve heard stories of the enemy walking within steps of them. And one of the things that they wanted to make sure is that they smelled the same. And so they ate the food of the region so that they didn’t smell differently. And I had never thought about that, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 05 :
I actually think about it quite a bit, not in the context of the Old Testament, but just in the context of what we do today because I witness it. If I, let’s just say I take a bull, Or I take a sow and I wean it and put it back. You move them out of the gestation pen, or there’s a group from 8 to 12 or 15, and you put them in a farrowing crate for a period of 28 days. And the minute they go back, because of the smell that changed from the time they left, fights will ensue because they smell different. When you come home to your dog, what’s the first thing your dog does every time?
SPEAKER 10 :
Sniffs to make sure it’s you, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, exactly. Even my dairy cow, I should say our dairy cow, Kelly and I have a dairy cow that we milk twice a day. We’re taking the first half of the milk, and then the second half, we put the calf back on it, because the calf was born September 1st, so it’s not 90 days old yet. And the first thing that cow will do is snip that calf’s butt to make sure it’s her calf. But the one thing that really intrigues me that I can’t figure out, and I’m obviously playing all of this into where you’re going with the humans and how we just have not honed in on our smell because our sight has become so good, but Why is it, and this is a fascinating discussion celebrating the food of Thanksgiving, why is it that a dog, if it were to kill a skunk or a raccoon or any dead animal, that it turns over and rolls in it?
SPEAKER 10 :
I don’t know.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t either. I’m trying to figure that one out, but it happens every time.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay, I can’t believe I’m going to tell you this story. Let me record this.
SPEAKER 05 :
We had a dog that would roll in what it eliminated.
SPEAKER 10 :
And I’m like, are you kidding me? So I finally talked to the vet about it. And he said, well, if you go and put some cayenne pepper on that, then possibly the dog will not roll in.
SPEAKER 05 :
Or the dog will make you hungry for Chicago style pizza. What do they do?
SPEAKER 10 :
So anyway, Trent, I kid you not, I was out in the backyard with cayenne pepper, sprinkling it on this stuff. And I thought, oh my gosh, if the neighbors see me, they’re going to wonder what’s going on. And so I decided not to do that anymore. And I wonder if the veterinarian would have. maybe just that veterinarian’s clueless or just wanted to see how gullible i think that that might have been it and i think as i was doing that i realized you know what i this is not a good idea and uh so but i can’t figure out why dogs do that i i don’t know it’s and not all dogs do but i don’t know why they do that
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, it certainly plays into what started this conversation and the odors. I mean, anybody who goes out hunting deer, which clearly this is the time of year for deer hunting or coyote hunting, you know, they don’t need to see you. They smell you long before you know that you’re even close. And that’s why you have to hunt in the right direction of the wind, because they will smell you. And I’m just intrigued that we as humans, clearly through the Old Testament, had the same sense of smell that we do not have anymore, because we surrounded ourselves with all of these artificial safety valves, like a house.
SPEAKER 11 :
Well, I like my safety valves, though.
SPEAKER 05 :
You don’t know. You don’t know. You’ve never lived in a dugout in the middle of the prairie. You might like that better.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, my grandmother did. In fact, she grew up in a two-room sod house. I’ve got a picture of her in front of that house with her and her sister. And I cannot imagine doing that. In fact, one of my cousins said that there was one time that a snake fell through the roof into the baby’s little crib. Mm-hmm. They had different challenges than we have now. And my grandmother, she was tough. And I appreciate that about her.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. That’s why her granddaughter’s tough, only in different ways.
SPEAKER 10 :
In different ways. And that’s the grandmother. You and I had a conversation about this.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, we have. She’s from Omaha, if I remember correctly.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, it was her mother that actually immigrated from Germany. Oh, her mother from Omaha. And then this is the grandmother that would make these great spice cookies. The family lore is that this was a recipe that our great grandmother made cookies for German royalty. And we do not share that recipe with anybody outside of the family, Trent Luce.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, that’s why I feel so privileged that you handed it to me.
SPEAKER 10 :
I did. I made some for you one time when you were out here for the National Western.
SPEAKER 05 :
I did, yes, I know. And I was able to take it to a lab and get the recipe put together so I could make them.
SPEAKER 10 :
And one of the basic ingredients in that is lard. And people say lard’s not good for you, but my goodness.
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, they’ve changed their mind. This whole lard and beef tallow thing is on fire.
SPEAKER 10 :
So tell me about this beef tallow thing, because I don’t know that much about it.
SPEAKER 05 :
What don’t you know? The value of cooking with it, the value of how people are using it for facial cream, the value of some of your fast food restaurants have gone back to frying their French fries in lard despite the fact they moved away from it because they were told it was bad. Now everybody recognizes that. I mean, I saw a guy the other day. I interviewed him. I had him on my show from Australia. He is a veteran. but he’s also doing strength and health conditioning and training for folks. And he said 50% of his diet is now comprised of animal fats. And this guy just looked like an amazing specimen of a human being.
SPEAKER 10 :
So what is beef tallow, then? Now, isn’t lard, I was thinking lard was made from hogs, is that right? I should know this. That’s correct.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay. Lard is fat from pigs, particularly the leaf lard, or not the leaf lard, but it comes from the internal. It could be back fat. You take that fat, you render it down, and you get your cracklings, which comes off the top. You take that away, and that pure white fat, which is rendered up and then cooled, is lard. Beef is the same way. You take the fat that’s available from the beef animal, you render it, and you have beef tallow, which is excellent for cooking or for so many projects that we’re now using today, particularly facial creams.
SPEAKER 10 :
Huh. And I’ve seen beef tallow, I think, in jars, and I’m like, huh, that’s interesting. What about flavors? Is there much of a difference between lard and beef tallow?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, there’s a little difference in the flavor between the two.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
Not a lot, but a little. I’ve got to tell you that I’m a big sourdough bread fan. But I got a buddy in Bismarck that made a loaf of bread with tallow, beef tallow. It is by far and away the creamiest, best bread I’ve ever eaten.
SPEAKER 10 :
Huh. And did he use yeast? I mean, was it bread that rose or what?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, it was.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
That is one thing that… He just put some lard in there as a… Don’t people put some sort of vegetable oil or some ridiculous thing in there?
SPEAKER 10 :
I don’t know. Oh, you know what? I think you’re right. I think you’re right. Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
And he substituted that for beef tallow, and it was just amazing. But people are beginning to recognize the importance from a health standpoint of these animal fats that we moved away from in 1977.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, and I now look back, and I wonder if there was some agenda. And that was that eggs are bad for you because of cholesterol. Lard is bad for you because of fat. They said coffee was bad for you, and now they’re saying coffee’s good for you. I wonder if there’s been just a real assault upon… Foods that really can give us energy and that actually really are healthy for us.
SPEAKER 05 :
I don’t wonder. I document that every day.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
I found a piece in the National Institutes of Health in 1899. It was published in 1899 that identified that people who consume eggs, the whole egg, not the egg whites, the yolk in the egg would actually identify toxins in your gut and go neutralize them. We’ve known that for 130 years.
SPEAKER 10 :
But yet there was this assault upon eggs, and if your cholesterol was high, then there was a pharmaceutical that might be prescribed to address that. And so there we can connect that whole dot over to the pharmaceuticals to solve a problem instead of us being able to do it naturally.
SPEAKER 05 :
People… And people didn’t take the time to look at why the human body has cholesterol to begin with. Cholesterol actually cleans your arteries and keeps your heart working better. It’s very well documented. You can go find that. And by the way, cholesterol also feeds sex hormones. Cholesterol also feeds brain health. All of those things which we see are very challenged today. And meanwhile, statins are killing people left and right.
SPEAKER 10 :
Yeah. And so that’s why I think getting back to the basics across the board makes a lot of sense. And of course, the people that feed and fuel us, the basics have been under a regulatory attack and different laws and regulations. We talk about those serious subjects on a regular basis. But when we come back, I’m going to ask Trent Luce, I don’t know if he makes the pies for Thanksgiving, but if he uses lard in the crust or not. So that’s going to be our cliffhanger. And we have these discussions because of our sponsors. If you’ve been injured, you’ll want to be sure and reach out to John Bozen and Bozen Law.
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SPEAKER 05 :
So I don’t make the pies. I do provide the lard, and absolutely we use lard to make pies. I don’t make them. Kelly makes them, and her sister is a fantastic pie maker. So between the two of them, they keep me pied up.
SPEAKER 10 :
And what’s your favorite kind of pie?
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, pumpkin. In fact, as a kid growing up, my mother never made me a birthday cake. She made me pumpkin pie.
SPEAKER 10 :
Did the candles stand up in that pumpkin pie when she presented that for your birthday? Yeah, absolutely they did. Okay. So let’s talk about gratitude. We have much to be thankful for, and we have many challenges. As you get up each day, what’s your thoughts on gratitude in 2025 America?
SPEAKER 05 :
I never take for granted the ability to generate our own food. And every day, truly, it motivates me to find a way to make sure that people don’t take for granted those essentials of life that have come so easily and, quite frankly, as you and I talk about on a weekly basis, are challenged. And the supply chain is at risk. And we need men and women to continue to take care of the soil. And if you think about what God created in terms of a soil and a knowledge base on how to generate what it is that we need, it’s absolutely incredible. And we’ve done that in such an efficient manner that a very small percentage, 250,000 farm families produce 80% of the food in this country today. That means that most people just take for granted what happens and what the risks are to get that done. And so I wake up blessed. I say thank you for that. And then I go about trying to bring awareness on what people need to know to protect themselves.
SPEAKER 10 :
Well, and I think people are waking up. Certainly there’s those that are not paying attention yet. And I think a lot of people are just trying to keep it together, take care of their families and go to their jobs. But we need to engage more and more people in these conversations. And I’m grateful that I think there are more and more people that are waking up to the challenges there and are starting to engage more. somewhere in their community. And the other thing that I found, though, from a human nature standpoint, is that until people perceive that it really is going to affect them, so it’s all the what’s-in-it-for-me syndrome, many times people won’t pay attention. But regarding our food source, what’s-in-it-for-me is what we’ve taken for granted, a reliable source. affordable and abundant food source. And so that’s why people need to pay attention because that’s a big what is in it for me.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, and I know you’ve been trying to avoid talking about turkeys, but at some point in time, we’ve got to come back and talk about turkeys because it is Thanksgiving, and we see an 11% increase in turkey prices this year, mostly due to the fact the government killed 50 million turkeys in the past year, but that’s beside the point. And these turkey numbers are quite interesting. 46 million turkeys are sold at Christmas. 21% of the U.S. turkey production. At Christmas or Thanksgiving? Yeah, Thanksgiving.
SPEAKER 10 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 05 :
46 million. 46 million. 21% of the turkeys produced in this country are consumed on one day. Thanksgiving. And they’re in whatever follows. You think about how interesting that is? And 50% of the total consumption of the 21% is in the form of a whole bird.
SPEAKER 10 :
Huh, that is interesting as well. It is. It is important to connect that dot that you just mentioned, and that is, prices have gone up because supply was artificially reduced because the The United States government said that we had to destroy or kill a whole bunch of turkeys. And you and I have talked about this quite often, is why destroy a whole flock when, in fact, the healthy birds are establishing natural immunity? It doesn’t make sense. But then you see this play out for everyday people in higher food costs.
SPEAKER 05 :
One hundred percent. And, you know, that gets quite a bit of attention. But your electric bill has gone up by 16 percent. Not enough people are asking why. Same exact reasons. Too much government intervention, shifting our energy sources, electricity sources from reliable, consistent, affordable supplies to energy. intermittent, higher-cost subsidized supplies. And to your point, I think that more people are paying attention, more people are waking up, but they really don’t know where to engage. I had a conversation this week with somebody that just got tuned in to what was going on with the loss of land and the eminent domain concept. And she had really not her and her husband had really not been paying attention until all of a sudden. And just like you said, it hit them in their own back door. And they’re like, what are we doing with this? We didn’t know this was taking place. And I explained what was going on down the road from her about 70 miles from her house. There’s an AI data center that is running. And this is the cause of all their problems. And she said, well, yeah, I sure hope they don’t get that built. I said, Jenny, it’s been running for a year, and the second phase is now in construction. So that’s 70 miles from our house. She didn’t know it was running, and she was hoping that they didn’t get it built. We can’t hope. Kim, we have to engage. And when it comes to food, I hope that we all find to engage in local food and we find a way to participate and somehow being a part of growing our food. And then when we come together with our family at Thanksgiving, you know, I mean, you sent me pictures of your pies. Those pies are beautiful, almost too nice to eat. But think about the pride of what it is that you were able to put on the table to provide people with the essentials of life, nutrition. And we need to get back to that skill and that pride of taking something from the land and enabling life.
SPEAKER 10 :
I totally agree, and I just realized that I had not, as you were mentioning, energy or power. I do want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show, because it is reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power from naturally occurring hydrocarbons, such as oil, natural gas, and coal. It powers our lives. It fuels our hopes and dreams. and empowers us to change our own personal climate to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. And regarding your own personal climate, if you have any challenges with that, reach out to Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. They can help you with your own personal climate. So, Trent Luce, we’ve got just really a couple of minutes left. How would you like to wind up this day, which is the day before Thanksgiving? What would you like to finish the show with here?
SPEAKER 05 :
Where are you hiding the giblets? Is that what the question is? I don’t like the giblets.
SPEAKER 10 :
No, that wasn’t the question, but okay. So talk to me about giblets.
SPEAKER 05 :
Turkey or what are you going to do? I don’t know anything about them other than, you know, people either love them or hate them.
SPEAKER 10 :
And that’s the organs, right? It’s like the.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it is. It’s the organs that assist in filtering the toxins out of the body. And then we love eating them. I just I just relish in that. I mean to tell you there’s nothing better than beef liver and onions. And the role of the liver is to filter the toxins from the body. We love them.
SPEAKER 10 :
I don’t really like liver, and my mom used to do something very mean, and that was she would cook them up with onions and make it look like it was steak, and then you took a bite of it and it was liver. It’s like, ugh. So I’ve not been a fan of liver.
SPEAKER 05 :
Organ meats are hot. They’re kind of like beef tallow. There’s a whole new wave of people moving to organ meats.
SPEAKER 10 :
Interesting. Well, I guess it’s important that we use everything. And so that’s why people are different, is because different people, different strokes for different folks. That’s for sure. Trent Luce, I am very grateful for the conversations that we have on a regular basis. You really make me think. You make our listeners think. We don’t always look at things the same. We look at a lot of things the same. But having these conversations is so important. And I really thank you for that, Trent.
SPEAKER 05 :
Thank you, Kim, for the opportunity. Do you know who challenged Abraham Lincoln more than any other person in a campaign?
SPEAKER 17 :
Who?
SPEAKER 05 :
Edwin Zimmerman Baker. And He was from Illinois, ultimately became the founder of Baker City, Oregon. But he named his kid, no, excuse me, Abraham Lincoln named his kid after the guy who challenged him the most in political campaigns.
SPEAKER 10 :
So let’s have a conversation. Trent Luce, thank you so much. Our quote for the end of the show is Norman Vincent Peale, who said this, A basic law, the more you practice the art of thankfulness, the more you have to be thankful for. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. My friends, you are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
SPEAKER 06 :
Young like a new moon, rising fierce through the rain and lightning, wandering out into this great unknown. And I don’t want no one to cry, but tell them if I don’t survive.
SPEAKER 16 :
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