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Dive into the Kim Monson Show where we analyze the pressing issues of our time with a focus on freedom versus force. This episode shines a light on the case of Tina Peters, a former county clerk who faces a nine-year sentence. We discuss the legal absurdities and moral dilemmas around her imprisonment and what her case represents for freedom of speech in America.
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And it’s never compassionate nor altruistic to take other people’s stuff, whether or not it’s their rights, their property, freedom, livelihoods, opportunity, childhoods, or lives, via force. and force can obviously be a weapon but it can be policy unpredictable in excess of taxation fear coercion government-induced inflation the agenda of the world economic forum and the global globalist elites that is playing out all the way down to municipalities and you can look at land use codes and ordinances and You can look at road diets. All of those things are the agenda of the World Economic Forum, which wants to take away the freedom of everyday individuals to be able to pursue their hopes and dreams. It’s a direct assault upon the American idea. Instead of taking the American idea that has allowed more people to get out of poverty than any other society in the history of man, instead the World Economic Forum and globalist elites want to tear that down. Instead of bringing everybody up in the world, they want to actually, and the way to do that would be through liberty, the responsible exercise of freedom. They want to tear down the United States. And so we see that across the spectrum, and that’s why we do the show, is to talk about these issues. Now, we focus on the issues, and we’ll mention the people pushing those issues, but we stay out of the personality fighting because we think that that’s super important. Our word of the day is erratum. And it is spelled E-R-R-A-T-U-M. And it is a noun. It’s an error in printing or writing, especially such an error noted in a list of corrections and bound into a book. Number two, an error or mistake in writing or printing. And number three, an error, especially one in printed work. So I will use this in a sentence today, and that is when I saw the headline, that a federal judge rejects the freedom bid by imprisoned former Colorado election clerk Tina Peters. I was hoping it was an erratum, but it’s not. Apparently, the judge says she has to exhaust all avenues in state court, is my understanding. And meanwhile, she is languishing in prison. While she would really like to be out on bond as she appeals her case, but she’s been in prison at least a year, I think. She received a nine-year sentence, which is pretty significant. And that is why at this Christmas time, she maybe only had a traffic ticket before this whole thing. And I actually, we know each other. And years ago, before she ran for Mesa County Clerk and Recorder, I was at a meeting and we were at the cocktail hour and she said, you know what, Kim, I think that I am going to run for Mesa County Clerk and Recorder because I think I can reduce wait times at the DMV. And I’m like, great idea. Whoever dreamed that her journey would end up where she’s languishing in prison right now because she was attempting to do what she thought was the right thing, and that was to preserve election records. And my friends, if we do not have free, fair, honest, and transparent elections in our country, we don’t have a country. We don’t have a representative government. because our voices are not heard, and so we need to be assured that they’re free, fair, honest, and transparent. And as you know, I’ve been very concerned about our elections, and that is why we have two lawsuits regarding the elections here in Colorado. One, and thank you to all of you who contributed the money for this first lawsuit to Unite for Freedom, formerly United Sovereign Americans, where they went through and volunteers went through election records and have proof that Colorado is not meeting the minimum standards as set forth by Congress for our elections. And it’s a civil rights issue. So that suit has been filed. It’s going back and forth in court. As you can see, it can take a long time. But I’m glad that we have that lawsuit there. And again, proof that we’re not meeting those minimum standards. And then our other lawsuit with Peter Brunaker through the Wisconsin Center for Election Justice was in the 2024 election. We went through and we have proof that 14,500 people, it was a very targeted list, voted who should not have received ballots. And so these election records are really important. And so that’s why I’ve been thinking about this from a humanitarian standpoint. We need to call on Governor Polis to release her. And and so there is a petition that you can sign and share to go to Kim Monson dot com. And there’s a red banner at the top. It says sign the petition to release Tina Peters before Christmas. And this petition is being run through me. So it’s not any third party petition petition. organization that is capturing your emails. We will not be sharing those with anyone. And you can sign the petition, and there is tremendous interest in this. And you do not only have to live in Colorado to sign this. People from all over the country can sign it because POLIS wants to run for national office. There are those that have said that he wants to run for president. Then one of our listeners said that yesterday that he might want to be Gavin Newsom’s running mate for president. And so he is and he he watches politics. And so having a lot of people. Sign this petition, and we are calling on him to release Tina Peters by Christmas Eve. Sign that, share it, and let’s get as many signatures on this as possible. And we pray for the good Lord to cover this whole petition process with his guidance. And so our quote of the day… I went to Jeremiah, and I didn’t write it all down. Hold on just a second. It’s Jeremiah. I know the plans that I have for you. Okay. I came across this book that I’ve had for a long time, and it’s The Art of Abundance. And so I pulled this, and now it’s Jeremiah. I’ll get it for you in the meantime. But it’s Jeremiah 2911. For I know the plans I have for you, they are plans for your good, not to destroy you or bring evil to you. These are plans for a future full of hope and for promise. And that again, that is Jeremiah 29, 11, and that’s our quote of the day. Headlines, again, Tina Peters is probably front and center on this, the fact that a federal judge rejects her freedom bid and she has requested a presidential pardon. And meanwhile, we just have to take some action here. and asked for her release. This evening in Elbert County is the meeting of the PUC, the Public Utilities Commission, regarding this land grab by Xcel Energy for a transmission line. And it begins at 5 o’clock at the Elbert, the Ag Building at the Elbert County Fairgrounds. That’s 95 Ute Avenue in Kiowa. And it’s… slated to, it’ll go for as long as need be. It starts at 5 o’clock. And I’m going to be there. This is, again, this is so important. We are seeing these huge land grabs under the narrative of affordable housing or these transmission lines, renewable energy, so these huge solar and wind industrial complexes. And if you really look at this, it’s, again, it’s a connection to the World Economic Forum and the globalist elites. that really taking away property rights. Now, one of you had asked me to check on who owns Xcel Energy. And this is perinvesting.com. And the Vanguard Group owns 12.97%. BlackRock owns 8.72%. State Street Global, Advisor, 6.7%. And T. Rowe Price, 4.73%. But that BlackRock right there, connect that dot. Larry Fink. is very involved with BlackRock. He’s also the head of the World Economic Forum. Just connect that dot. The World Economic Forum does not want everyday people to have property rights. One of the ways to do a wealth transfer is to make the power that powers our lives more and more expensive. And so that’s why there’s been this war on the naturally occurring hydrocarbons, such as oil, natural gas, and coal. So just connect all of those dots. So this evening, this is a really important meeting, 5 o’clock out in Kiowa, regarding this particular land grab by Xcel Energy. And the show comes to you because of our sponsors. I did want to mention Hooters Restaurants. They have locations in Loveland, Westminster, and in Aurora. And great specials Monday through Friday for lunch and happy hour. And, of course, they have plenty of TVs for all the games and a great place to get together with friends. And so greatly appreciate Hooters Restaurants and their partnership. And then the Roger Mangott State Farm Insurance Team. Roger’s been in business for over 50 years, and the reason is because he takes great care of his clients and his family and gives back to the community. 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Well, thank you, Kim. It’s good being with you on this almost winter morning. I don’t know what weather you’ve got down south, but I’m up north, northern Colorado, and the wind is blowing, but the temperature is great.
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Sounds like western Kansas. Yes. Which is where I grew up.
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As far as the wind goes, it’s a windy day today, but we’re going to enjoy it. I’m sitting by the fire watching the world go by in a very fast fashion.
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Well, there is a lot of news out there. But first and foremost, Tina Peters, a former Mesa County clerk and recorder, is really in the news. She is languishing in this prison in Pueblo. And we had her attorney. And John Case and Linda Good, the paralegal on the case, on the show last week. And I just was troubled as John was describing her health because she maybe had a traffic ticket before this whole issue. And now she is languishing with a nine-year sentence. in prison and the county clerks association had issued an old a letter uh… asking polis not to let her out and the reason is it’s a freedom of speech issue and my gosh f if if the if what she’s saying has no credence then it seems like they should you know engage in the the uh… public square to talk about that but instead they want to keep her in prison And there’s just something really inhumane about that. And so I thought about it all weekend and decided to come up with a petition to call on Polis to exhibit some mercy and compassion and kindness to her and release her by Christmas Eve. And no matter what you think about the whole issue out there, this is the human thing to do, I think, Kevin Lumberg.
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I agree. As a matter of fact, I personally composed a letter to the governor several months ago that said essentially, I mean, it wasn’t talking about Christmas of 2025. It was saying, free her, please. Issue a pardon. If you look at the facts, I mean, this is… I think people are finally figuring this out. I don’t think that the major news sources will ever admit that there’s a problem here. But you and I know, and I’m certain that on your program where you had John Case, who was Tina’s attorney who conducted that trial where she was convicted, I’m sure that he told you and your listeners that the judge would not allow the jury to know a lot of very important facts as to why she did it and how she did it and what the laws are that required her to preserve the records of the election. It’s as simple as that, that she is a clerk. You know, if you go back to the 2020 election, when Tina was the clerk in Mesa County, She had been convinced by all of the clerk’s systems in the state, in the Secretary of State, that they had the, quote, gold standard of election systems, and that everything was just as accurate as humanly possible. That’s what she was convinced of, until some of her constituents after the election said, She presented the facts to her that there are big, big questions as to how the systems are really working here in Colorado. And then when she was informed that the system, that all of the software on her server was going to be, essentially replaced. And she didn’t know that for sure, but a significant change to the software was coming, what they called the trusted build. And she had been alerted by some people that that could be a big problem and you need to preserve the records. And so she did everything in her power to do just that and tried to do it through her staff and through the Curiously, or ironically, that was one of the major charges that they laid against her was an attempt to influence a public official. And what that means is she was trying to get her staff and the Secretary of State’s office to agree to allow her to preserve the records. And that’s what they refused to allow to happen. And that’s what they did to virtually every other county in the state of Colorado. You know, there are some exceptions, but very rare. In other words, nobody else actually did what she did to create this record and then pass it on to others. who could look at it from a third-party perspective and discover that tens of thousands of election records were destroyed in that process. And for that, she’s put into prison. Yes, the governor should do the exact opposite of what he’s doing. He’s pushing back, and I don’t know who’s calling the shots, but the way Tina has been treated in prison, given her… age and her health situation. You know, she went through serious cancer treatment for lung cancer nearly 10 years ago, and now the same symptoms are returning, and she’s concerned. Do they do anything substantial about it? No. I’m going to go a step further right here and right now and say that if anything happens to Tina in prison, I believe the governor should be personally responsible for the consequences. And I don’t mean he just has to say, oh, I’m sorry. And I’ve been racking my brain as to how this fits within the legal structure of the laws for the state of Colorado. And the only thing I can say is he is the executive of the state for the government. And he is very well aware of what’s happening here. And I cannot believe that how she’s been treated and his flat-out refusal to, one, because the federal government has said, put her in our care. And he said, no, we’re not going to do that. And now I heard a rumor, and I’m going to call it a rumor because I haven’t seen enough facts to substantiate it, but just yesterday I heard that that she may have been placed back into solitary confinement, quote, for her own safety. Yeah, put her in a little box, lock her up, don’t allow her to have any interaction with other people or be able to walk around and do what most of the people in the prison are allowed to do. And that’s supposedly for her safety. No, if they were really concerned about that, they would move her from that facility to probably a medical facility would be the very best. And they do have those things in the Colorado Department of Corrections. You know, it’s not like, oh, well, we, you know, we can’t treat anybody. No, they have, you know, I don’t know, what is it, 10, 20, 30,000 patients. People in prison, I don’t know the number right now, but it’s a big enough population that they are structured for people in any level of health situation. And they’ve been virtually ignoring her situation. And I’m not going into all the details of it, but I know that, A, she is innocent of these absurd kangaroo court charges that And the jury was not allowed to know what the circumstance was. And the governor knows very well that he could do something to at least preserve her health and her mental health in this whole situation. And the federal government is standing by and saying, hey, We need Tina to be looked after in a much better way. I’ll tell you, if anything happens to Tina, as I say, he needs to be held personally responsible. The governor does. If there’s no legal mechanism for that, then morally, ethically, and in every other level, the people of Colorado need to hold him accountable for his actions. You are not immune from your responsibilities because you sit in the governor’s chair. No, you actually have those responsibilities. And, Jared, you better live up to that one, because if you don’t, there is significant… consequence that will occur somewhere, somehow. You know, I’ll leave it at that.
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I want to just… And you are not calling for any kind of violence at all, Kevin Lundberg. Those consequences will be at the ballot box.
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And then I think just also… Well, hang on. I’m talking about legal consequences. Okay, good. And Polish will probably not be running for any office. I mean, he might. You never know. He’s got a shrewd character, but everything I get from kind of on the inside track is he’s probably run his course at this point. But we cannot just let this go and say, oh, ho-hum, things happen in prison. What do you know? No, and this is too serious an issue. You know, fundamental to this is is their attempt, they are silencing Tina. Actually, they are not, though, because she’s gained such a megaphone of attention through this. And the issue that they’re trying to sweep under the rug is actually growing and growing. You know, the letter I wrote to Polis was to say, hey, put this behind us, please. I don’t mean all of the election irregularities, but as far as Tina’s role, I thought the merciful best way for this to be handled is for the governor to say, okay, we will let her go. He’s not going to win the public relations battle by somehow continuing to hold her. No, he’s just stoking that fire in a big way. He needs to do the right thing.
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Well, and I was thinking about it, Kevin, while here we are in Advent season, coming up to Christmas, and people are shopping and they’re going to parties. And here’s Tina languishing in prison because she was trying to preserve the election records, which are so important. If we do not have free, fair, honest, and transparent elections, we don’t have America anymore. And I did Bible verses today for our quote of the day. The one for the end of the show is from Luke 12, 48. And that is, to whom much is given, much is required. And that’s why we put together this petition. And we need to sign this petition, go to KimMonson.com, and this is our request. We as fellow human beings call upon Governor Jared Polis to exhibit kindness, compassion, and mercy to Tina Peters by granting her release. Release her immediately so that she may seek the medical treatment she needs, including care for a possible return of cancer. and allow her the opportunity to visit her hospitalized 97 97 year old mother and so go to kimmonson.com sign the petition share it with 10 people and we are requesting that he release her by christmas eve and so i think that’s really important we’re going to continue the discussion with kevin lundberg regarding his his great lumber report that comes out on Saturdays. And the PUC came up with the Clean Heat Plan, which I am renaming the unaffordable plan to keep Coloradans in the dark and cold. And so we’ll talk about that when we come back. These discussions happen because of our sponsors. For everything residential real estate, reach out to Karen Levine.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Be sure and check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. And we’re talking with Kevin Lundberg, former state senator, author of the Lundberg Report. You can find that at Kevin Lundberg, L-U-N-D-B-E-R-G dot com. And it comes out on Saturdays. And this is this is shocking in a way. And it’s not because we’re in Colorado. But the Colorado this is from by Jake Fogelman, which you linked in your article. article over at Complete Colorado, that the Colorado Public Utilities Commission issued a formal decision updating the state emissions targets under its first in the nation clean heat plan. The decision established by that rule says that Colorado utilities must reduce their greenhouse gas emissions by 41% to 2015 levels by 2035. this is going to make the power for our lives less affordable. When we have all these politicians and bureaucrats and interested parties talk about making life affordable for Coloradans, affordable housing or whatever, we’re realizing that it’s actually government and bureaucracies that is making life more expensive, more unaffordable for Coloradans. So walk us through this, Kevin Lumberg.
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Well, I actually think you’re being too kind to the Colorado Public Utilities Commission, the PUC, by saying it’ll simply make it more affordable. I think it’s going to make it impossible. Let’s look at the numbers here. They, through regulations, came up with this idea that they want a 41% reduction in in essentially the use of natural gas in the state by 2035. Now, think about this. 2035 may seem like it’s way out in the future. And it is probably beyond the length of time that the members of the PUC commission will be in office or, you know, our governor who appoints these people. He’ll be long gone by then. But In order for something like that to occur, it would have to be put into action immediately. And what actions would be required? Well, for residences, almost half of the homes in the state need to have their furnaces ripped out and replaced by some sort of a heat pump system And, of course, this is on top of the fact that they’re requiring all of the coal-fired power plants to be shut down by 2030. And that, being so close, really is already in process, you might say. I think it’s going to be kind of like Germany thought they were going to shut down all of their coal-fired plants years ago. And then when the winter came on, they decided that was a pretty lousy idea, and they pretty much put the brakes on it. I honestly believe that this is so impossible that it’s just a mythological thing that they’re trying to impose upon everyone. It’s… Well, let me back up a little bit. Let’s assume that there was enough electricity to actually run all these electrified homes for heat, which is a huge difference than turning on your lights. Most of the energy in a house is consumed through heating it in the wintertime. And let’s just assume that the power is available. Well, how are you going to afford that? Because to put a heat pump in in our climate is tens of thousands of dollars. It’s not just, you know, like a little beefed up room air conditioner that you can buy for 500 bucks or so. No, this is a very expensive process. And a lot of houses really aren’t set up for it. So it’s a very expensive process. And And then the bigger, larger buildings, same thing. You know, I mean, they’re under constraint right now of reducing their energy output by our consumption by about 20% by 2030, I believe it is. To double that, to reduce it by 41% is impossible. So I don’t know. However you cut it, I just think they are singing a tune that – that is unsustainable or impossible to actually meet. And why they’re doing it, well, you and I know that they’re doing it because they’re being driven by this concept that it’s an existential threat that we continue to use oil and gas resources in the world. That’s also an absurdity. So what more can I say here?
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I know. It’s mind-boggling. And the PUC is really pushing this agenda from the globalist elites. And there’s a big meeting tonight out, I mentioned it in the first segment, out in Elbert County regarding this. XL Energy and their land grab through El Paso County and Elbert County for transmission lines. Here you have a utility that has been given the power of eminent domain to take people’s land, which is just mind-boggling. So we’ve got a real problem here in Colorado. And we’re seeing people move out of Colorado. Colorado was you and I both love this state. But from a political standpoint, they are trying to destroy this beautiful state. And so we’ve got to reclaim that. And that’s why you do the work that you’re doing. And I do the work that I’m doing as well. Let’s move. Do you have another thought on that?
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Well, you brought up this issue of the biggest utility in the state, Excel, jumping in and throwing their weight around. I’ll just tell you, about 10 years ago, Excel wanted to put a pipeline in my property. They were replacing a small major supplying line, gas line, between Cheyenne and Denver with a bigger one. And when they came into our community, they notified all the property owners, myself included, and all my neighbors, and this is when I was in the Senate, that they were going to do this, and they had every right to do what they claimed. But when we got to digging into it, we discovered they didn’t have the legal right at that point in time. Now, they got more legislation pushed through, so they do have more legal rights. But what I learned was that utility, they’re not operating in the best interest of their customers. They’re operating in the best interest of themselves and getting along with the government infrastructure. So unfortunately, they’re not going to be our allies when it comes to enforcing any of this stuff. Understand this, that the Public Utilities Commission, which is structured to manage these monopolies, and of necessity, a utility company is a monopoly. You move in, you need electricity, you need gas lines, and the local utility is the business you have to do business with. And since it’s a monopoly, the PUC is supposed to be that buffer and protect the citizens from the overreach that a business could have with a monopoly. And instead, they become the protector of the utility. And any time it gets more expensive for the utility, they’re guaranteed, in Colorado, I think they try to guarantee them a 7% profit margin. And to run a business, you need a profit, of course. But when it’s a monopoly like that and the government is increasing the cost, guess what? The utility wins because it becomes more expensive. They charge everybody much more money and they make that much more profit on it. The whole incentive system is just set up to go the wrong direction. And I discovered personally for myself and my neighbors that Excel doesn’t play – nice in a field like that. They push their ability to the limits. So yeah, this is an ugly situation.
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So the question then is, what do we do about this? I have on the text line, it is a monopoly, I guess. And our listener said, when I was in class once in school, I remember specifically, they said the government is supposed to protect us against monopolies. Obviously, Excel is a monopoly. What can we do about this?
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Well, you can put a better governor in office. I’m kind of beating up on our governor today, deservedly so, I believe, because he’s the one who determines who is on that commission, the Public Utilities Commission. And we need people who have been hired not to fulfill a radical extreme agenda like the environmental extremists are that the governor has put in place. And that can be demonstrated by this regulation where they’re calling for this unimaginable restriction on natural gas in the state. We need a governor who will sit down and say, we need a public utilities commission that is that guardian for the people not that advocate for the, you know, the radical agenda of, you know, of the extreme left.
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Yeah. And this came in. Go ahead.
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Yeah. Well, we’ve got an election coming up and we’re going to replace the governor. You need to get engaged. You need to figure out who would be the best guy and then get behind him and Everybody needs to make a better choice for this next election.
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And that’s why free, fair, honest and transparent elections are important, because I find it hard to believe that moderate Democrats and unaffiliated Republicans, conservatives, libertarians like what’s happening in Colorado. And so we need to end in this battle that we’re in, Kevin. It’s really two things. We must have free, fair, honest, and transparent elections. But we must also have voters that understand the issues. And that’s why we, because there’s so much propaganda out there, as one of our listeners had texted, that trust to build issues. It really was the opposite, or appears to be the opposite, regarding the election systems. But it’s great propaganda because everyday people that are just busy with their lives go, oh, yeah, trust to build on our election systems. That sounds good. Well, but in essence, what Tina had found was that, and you can get the proof there by going to her website. She’s got the Mesa County reports there. that there were things that were either erased or that information was put over. So we’re going to continue the discussion with Kevin Lundberg. And we have these important discussions because of our great sponsors. And John Bozen and Bozen Law are the people to call if you’ve been injured.
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Good luck. Actually, I can kind of understand that because I really… Senator Hickenlooper hasn’t been really a standout champion of anything except keeping the Democrat machine going. So I can kind of understand how the Democrats might want more of a fire-breathing advocate there. But, you know, it’s not that Hickenlooper really stands for Anything that I support, he just supports the team. So I kind of understand why somebody would, you know, in his own ranks would say, hey, I want something bigger and better than that.
SPEAKER 06 :
And their bigger and better is more radical.
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Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Don’t get me wrong. I’m not supporting that. uh either of them i mean i uh you know hickenlooper was governor uh during the uh time i was in the senate and so i had plenty of time to interact with him and and um i will say this to his credit is he wasn’t as radical and as extreme as our current governor But he’s still headed the same direction, and he has certainly been a supporter of everything that’s been going on in Colorado under Polis. So I’m no fan of Hickenlooper, and I’m sure that Gonzalez would be a much more radical addition of their policies. But, you know, in some ways I think it’s, well, just a little bit of this and a little bit of that. What I’m really interested in is who’s running – on the Republican side, and we need to put up a very strong alternative. And I believe that this election that we’re looking at in 2026 has some real interesting possibilities, because all of the statewide elected offices are officers, I’ll say, are term limited. So we’re going to replace the governor, the attorney general, the treasurer, the secretary of state. And Hickenlooper is up for reelection. So we’ve got a chance to put in a whole clean slate of good people doing the right things rather than watching this state go downhill. I was at a conference this last week of legislators from around the country, American Legislative Exchange Council, And anytime I’d say I’m from Colorado, I’d get kind of this look of condescension. You know, exactly. They’re like, oh, I’m sorry. You know, and I’m like, yeah, I know. But I believe that we can change this.
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So and you mentioned we have a really a cast of thousands that are running for governor. But these other important offices, I think that what we have one person announced for treasurer. I haven’t really looked at that where we are on those other candidates for those other offices.
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Well, yeah, and I don’t have a complete list in my own mind either. But, yeah, Kevin Grantham, who I served with in the Senate, he has announced his running for treasurer. Certainly encourage that. And I think he did a lot better job than the guy who was there today. And I actually know him pretty well, too, because I sat beside him and the Joint Budget Committee for a couple of years. And that is the Democrats. Grantham was the president of the Senate. So he has a great deal of credibility for the U.S. Senate seat. I know Janet Josie, who’s. served in the House, a very strong conservative, is running for the U.S. Senate. I’m not aware of any other candidates at this point.
SPEAKER 06 :
I think there is one other candidate. I think the last name is like Market or something like that, M-A-R-K-T.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I expect that they’re, yeah, because you could argue that that’s the major office that we’ll be deciding on in some ways because the U.S. Senate is pretty significant. But I’m sure there will be others coming up as well. Yeah, we’ve got a lot of opportunity. You know, when we talk about the election and who’s running, I believe that it’s not just who’s running, but what are we talking about? What are the real issues? issues uh in front of us and and that’s why i’m putting most of my effort right now in to protect kids colorado to put some some questions on the ballot that will force the radical left to to answer you know so you you think that uh men ought to be involved in girls sports so you think these mutilating surgeries on children for sex changes should be allowed in the state of Colorado. So you think human trafficking is just okay the way we enforce it today? Protect Kids Colorado is working hard, and we’re doing it now. This isn’t off into the future next November. No, this is December, January, and then we’re done with the collecting of the signatures to put this on the ballot. So that’s why I’m… Working hard here.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, I know you are. And I know Erin Lee, she had sent something over. You’re having a petition signing at a variety of different locations this last Saturday. She said, hey, can you mention this on Friday? And I had intended to, but I got so focused on John Case and Linda Good that I did not do that. You’re going to have another one of those in January, on January 10th. So we’ll make sure that we do that. We’ve got one minute left. Kevin, how would you like to wrap this up?
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, I’d like to stay with the Protect Kids just a little bit, because yesterday we launched a significant fundraising drive through a give, send, go platform. And I tell you, we’re very encouraged by, you know, yesterday it was, The total we have right now is $33,675. And that’s because we know we need some serious cash to get this across the border, you know, the line. It’s a volunteer effort, but it requires a lot of fortification for those volunteers. So that’s my big thing right here and right now is we’re trying to do everything. And if you click – if you go to Give, Send, Go – And just look for Protect Kids Colorado. You’ll learn all about this big fundraising drive we’re doing right here before Christmas.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and Kevin, thank you. And regarding holding Jared Polis legally responsible if something happens to Tina Peters, one of our listeners said thank you for taking a stand on that. So, Kevin Lundberg, we’ll talk again after Christmas. I wish you and yours a very happy Advent. Merry Christmas. And we’ll talk again. It’ll be here before we know it.
SPEAKER 17 :
Well, thank you. And Merry Christmas as well.
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Always, and good morning, Kim, and you’ve already touched on the number one, and that is to be focused, keep distractions at bay. I joined a Zoom conference with about 30 people the other day, and sure enough, there’s two people on the conference driving, eyes going from the road down to their phone. I just, oh, I have to say something. So… It’s the number one thing. Stay focused. Folks, please don’t be on your phones, on a Zoom call while you’re driving. And this happened to be on a Wednesday, the Wednesday morning that we had the snow. And then the second one, slow down. Build into whatever trip you need to make extra time when the weather is bad. And these are common sense things, but… You know, so many people, they leave late, and that extra little adrenaline rush, less time to react when you’re going fast. So, folks, just, you know. Plan accordingly. Give yourself extra time, especially this time of year when the weather can be bad, when there’s a lot of distracted drivers on the road, everybody thinking about something else. They’ve got to get that present. They’ve got to get to that party. They’ve got to take care of something before the holidays. So focus, slow down, and then the one that I like to always touch on, you’ve touched on, When you come up to intersections, and especially if you’re the first or the second car, and that light turns green, allowing you to proceed forward, pause. Look both ways. Make sure nobody’s distracted or going too fast and is going to run through that light because that one’s a killer. That one puts people six feet under. So wait. Wait. Look both directions, then proceed. It may upset the person behind you, so be it. It may save your life. And share that one with your kids, listeners, and your friends and your neighbors and your coworkers, because that one, those are the ones that, when they call my office. sometimes they don’t survive, and if they do, sometimes those are the worst injuries people suffer in a motor vehicle collision.
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And again, I was thinking about you regarding a particular corner. There’s a corner that I can come to on a regular basis where the lights are actually a little wonky, and I probably should call the city of Aurora and have them straighten one out because… It could appear that it’s a green arrow and it’s not. And I need to probably, in fact, I don’t probably need to do that. I need to do that. So I will do that. Now, one other thing you mentioned last Wednesday, and I had made a commitment. last Wednesday to be someplace. And that’s when the snow came in, and the conditions were harrowing. It was really black ice, but I had made the commitment. I decided that I was going. I was halfway there. I thought about turning around. I’m like, well, I’m already halfway there. But I was on 470, and there was cars that were stopped. There were cars over in the express lane going way too fast But I came up on this, and there had been a fender bender, and I kid you not, John, and people were kind of going around the fender benders, but the people had gotten out of their cars, and they were standing on the driver’s side of the cars in those conditions. One was a teenager without a coat on, and I thought, oh, my gosh, if somebody loses control, they could get into them immediately. And I thought, I’m going to ask John why. What should you do in a situation like that?
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Yeah, I’ve seen that situation multiple times over the years, and that’s a deadly situation. You get in a fender bender on the highway anywhere, and the roads are slick. If you can move the cars, you move them as far over to the right as you can. You don’t get out on the driver’s side and stand anywhere close to the vehicles. You get out. If you’re going to get out and you go as far to the right, if you can go up on an embankment to get away from the cars to exchange information, if there’s no injuries, et cetera, you exchange information far away from the cars. If you’re injured, if it’s more than a fender bender, you stay in your vehicle. You don’t get out. You call 911. You wait for the police and the ambulance. A car is going to provide some protection if someone loses control. That’s if you’re injured. If you’re not injured, if you’re well able, get away from the vehicles, get up higher on an embankment if there’s one, but get away from the vehicles on the right side of the road. I’ve seen people standing in the median. Again, terrible idea. Like you, standing outside of the vehicles, standing behind the vehicles. I think all of us have seen those videos. that have captured cars losing control and slamming into the back of cars or into people standing at the back of cars after an accident. So a good one to bring up, especially with the weather having changed. I’m starting to see some nasty, some cold, some snowy weather. If that happens, that’s what you do.
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303-999-9999. I’m going to reiterate again. If you’re involved in an accident, it’s not your fault. Call the police to make a determination of fault. If you have your head about you and others come up, ask them to leave a business card or give their name and number if they saw it. Because if the police come, they can’t make that determination. It’s your word against his word or her word. Often the police just kind of throw up their hands if they can’t figure it out. But if there’s a witness, they give you a name and a number. If you’re the driver that was not at fault, you keep that and provide that to the police down the road, to your insurance company, to your lawyer.
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And again, that’s John Bozen, right, with Bozen Law, numbers 303-999-9999. John, thank you for the great advice, and we’ll talk with you next week.
SPEAKER 14 :
Sounds good, Kim. Hey, listeners, pray for Tina Peters and her release. That would be a small miracle. That would be a large miracle, actually.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. And I want to say thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show because it is a reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power from naturally occurring hydrocarbons such as oil, natural gas, and coal that powers our lives, fuels our hopes and dreams, and empowers us to change our own personal climate to be warm in the winter and cool in the summer. And if you are having any challenges with your personal climate, reach out to Ben’s Plumbing, Heating, and Cooling. All of my sponsors’ information is on my website. You can get their phone number there. I’m pleased to have on the line with me Rob Nadelson. You know him. He is a nationally recognized constitutional scholar, historian, commentator, and frequent guest on broadcast media. He’s a senior fellow in constitutional jurisprudence at the Independence Institute in Denver, and he’s a former law professor. He’s best known for his scholarship on the American founding and the Constitution’s original meeting. His latest book is The Original Constitution, The Historical Meaning of America’s Supreme Law. It’s a reprint, and then also he’s got another book out that I wanted to ask him about in Latin, I think. Rob Nadelson, welcome to the show. It’s good to be with you, Kim. What number printing is the original Constitution in now?
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It’s in the fourth. The first one came out in 2009, and it had the inevitable typographical errors and other problems that afflict first editions. And so the second edition came out in 2010, and that lasted a good long time. It sold very well. But what happens is even though the original Constitution doesn’t change, public interest in different issues change. And so we came out with a third edition in 2015. And that’s been around for 10 years. But since that time, we’ve had all sorts of events like First Amendment violations by the Biden administration, two Trump impeachments, other kinds of events that people were curious about. And so we decided this year to come out with a fourth edition. And that’s the one that’s on sale now. Be sure, though, if you go to Amazon to get it, that you get the fourth edition. That’s the one with a picture of the Constitutional Convention on the front, not one of the earlier ones.
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Okay, that’s good to know. And again, the original Constitution, the historical meaning… of America’s Supreme Law. And I was over at your website, natalsonrob.com. And tell me about this children’s classic, David and the Phoenix. Did you translate this into Latin? Or tell me about this.
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I’d be happy to tell you about it. You might tell your engineer to adjust the gain a little bit. You’re very soft. At any rate, in 1957… A man by the name of Edward Ormondroyd wrote a book called David and the Phoenix. It was a children’s book, but it was written on different levels. So there were aspects of it that adults could appreciate. The idea being, I suppose, that when mommy read the book to her kid, she could be amused by what the kid didn’t understand in the book. And these are not salacious references at all. These are things like references to mythology and little word plays and that sort of thing. I loved the book. I was 10 years old in 1958, which tells you something about my age. And I just loved that book. It was my favorite novel growing up. And as an adult, I reread it. I actually spoke to Edward Ormond Droid’s wife at one point when I was practicing law in Colorado. And then more recently, I read it again. And I said, you know, we have a problem in that There is a great deal of interest in Latin studies, which explains the growth of classical schools, in part, where kids study Latin. But there’s not much literature in Latin written for kids. Alice in Wonderland has been translated into Latin. I think it’s kind of an odd translation. Winnie the Pooh was famously translated into Latin and became a New York Times bestseller. But the language in that is surprisingly difficult. And so I kind of wanted an action-packed story that contemporary Americans could understand, and one that was also instructive and fun on several different levels. And so after thinking about it, I decided, well, you know, let’s take David and the Phoenix and translate it into Latin. The title is David at Phoenix. And I did this, finished it up last year. We published, I think it was early this year. And it’s been selling, which actually surprised me a little bit, but it has been.
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And people can get this.
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It’s a very fun story. It really is.
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I’m not familiar with it, so I’ve got to get up to speed on that. And, again, at your website, NailsToRob.com, you’ve got a button where people can purchase that. So super interesting. So let’s move on to our first subject. I have… I found it really interesting that I saw that headline that Costco and some other retailers are suing the Trump administration regarding the tariffs, depending on what the Supreme Court decides. And you? had written a recent piece, and here we go, The Constitution and the Trump Tariffs. And people can find this at the Independence Institute, i2i.org. But it was originally, it was two essays that had appeared in the Epoch Times on November 19 and November 20. So talk to me about this, because I have some people that say, oh, tariffs are taxes. It’s not free, fair, honest trade. And then on the other side, that tariffs are actually a fee that’s put onto foreign goods to protect American products. Walk us through this, Rob Nadelson.
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You know, Kim, this is such an interesting topic because it has so many aspects. There are historical aspects. There are aspects of politics. It’s also a classic case of the fact that the left has been building the power of the federal government and the power of the president for decades, and now it’s coming back to bite them. They’re unhappy with some of the results. It’s just interesting on so many different levels. So let’s just start at the very beginning. Tariffs have been used by governments to raise money and also to regulate trade. If they’re set high enough, people don’t pay them, or at least don’t pay them very much, and they restrict trade. And so they’re used to, say, protect local industries. On the other hand, if they’re set at more modest levels, they can raise a lot of money. During the time leading up to the American Revolution, Parliament imposed tariffs on American goods, and Americans objected to that. Americans said that it was appropriate for Parliament to regulate trade among different units of the British Empire and with foreign governments, but it was not appropriate for Parliament to tax Americans. John Dickinson, one of the very greatest founders, wrote a series of essays in which he explained the line. He said, if the tariff is there for the purpose of purely raising money, then it’s a tax. If, on the other hand, its primary purpose is to regulate trade… even if it incidentally raises some money, then it is a regulation of commerce. By that definition, the Trump tariffs are regulations of commerce. They’re not taxes. Now we move on to the next problem. Both taxes and regulations of commerce have historically, as your listeners know, been legislative prerogatives. This is the kind of thing determined in Congress or by legislatures, not by the president. But here’s where the rub comes in. in the last few decades has also been handing over enormous amounts of power to the president. Mostly liberal congresses have done this with the idea that the president and administrative agencies can govern us better than we can govern ourselves. Well, among the laws that they passed, which was one or two, that first allow the president to announce an emergency for almost any reason, and then once the emergency has been declared, to, quote, regulate importation. So what the Congress has done is they’ve said if the president declares an emergency, then the whole power to regulate importing, including tariffs, goes to the president. So President Trump duly declared an emergency involving foreign trade problems and then started to impose these tariffs. And not surprisingly, the same type of people who have been shoveling all this power over to the president now complained that this particular president was exercising it. And so they decided to sue. My own view of this case is kind of nuanced. It’s as follows. Number one, I believe President Trump is following the law. I believe he’s interpreting the statute correctly. The kind of tariffs he imposes are the classic ones designed to, quote, regulate importation. My problem, though, is the traditional originalist or constitutionalist one, that we shouldn’t be shoveling all that power over to the president, that this statute actually or pair of statutes actually is unconstitutional. And so I hope that if the court rules these tariffs unconstitutional, it won’t blame the president for it. It will simply say Congress, and by the way, it was a Democratic Congress, should not have transferred that quantity of power to the president.
SPEAKER 06 :
So I think the bottom line is, is that Trump is within his prerogative to do this. The Supreme Court is going to hear the case. So what’s your thoughts about the Supreme Court?
SPEAKER 16 :
I don’t know. I mean, the conventional wisdom right now is that they’ll probably strike it down, but that’s based upon tea-leaf gathering, I suppose. I just don’t know. You know, to tell you the truth, what’s more important to me than the outcome of the case is whether the court does anything to draw the line at this outrageous case. practice of Congress of passing legislation that they have no authority to pass, and then shoveling it over to the president or over to administrative agencies. That is the bureaucracy for execution. That is the part of the case that I really think is critical, more so than whether these tariffs survive or don’t survive.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, interesting perspective on that. And you can find Rob’s article at i2i.org. It’s titled The Constitution and the Trump Tariffs. And we have these important discussions because of our sponsors. And ideally, if I get out of the meeting in time… tonight in Albert County and heading back I’d love to stop by Little Richie’s Pizza in Parker and get one of their great calzones because they have real New York style pizza and pasta and they have authentic New York flavor but it has Colorado roots and they have daily specials and weekday lunch deals and a happy hour worth planning around They are your neighborhood favorite, and they’re always serving up something worth stopping for. And I’d love to stop there for one of their great calzones. And again, that’s Little Richie’s Pizza and Pasta in Parker and Golden. And all of these things are important. We’re talking about the Constitution. And I really appreciate the work that Alicia Garcia and Teddy Collins, who are with Spartan Defense, which is a firearm store in Colorado Springs, that they have created the Second Syndicate to bring voices together to stand for our Second Amendment rights.
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SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, well, there are two separate issues here. One is whether tariffs should be imposed and how they should be used. Those are issues of policy. The other issue is the Constitution. And sometimes you would like a particular policy that the Constitution doesn’t necessarily permit. That happens often, actually, because the Constitution is designed to be a limit on government. Ultimately, the responsibility for tariffs… for imposing them, either as taxes or regulations of trade, is given by the Constitution to Congress, not to the president. What Congress can do, however, legitimately, is it can pass a law saying, here is our tariff schedule, and giving the president specific authority to respond within certain limits if foreign governments impose tariffs that we don’t like. So the legislation can say something like, if a foreign government imposes more than a 10% tariff, then the president may impose or may raise the tariff no more than 20%. But that delegation of authority, while it’s constitutionally fine, precisely because it is confined. The president is given fairly narrow restrictions within which he can work. The problem with the law that President Trump is using, and again, I emphasize it’s not his fault. This law was passed by a Democratic Congress. The problem with the law is it is written in a way where there are no standards whatsoever. It simply says the president may regulate importation once he’s declared an emergency. Well, that could mean anything. There are no restrictions whatsoever. It’s a wholesale unloading by Congress of of its commerce power onto the president. And I think it’s screamingly unconstitutional. We’ll see whether the Supreme Court agrees.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, that is super fascinating on that. And I neglected to announce that call in with your questions for Rob regarding the Constitution, the courts, and if you’re shy, hopefully you will not be shy, but if you’re shy, you can text me at 720-605-0647, 720-605-0647. So next thing, this came in on the text line. What about this whole thing regarding illegal military orders? And Jason Crowe, a congressman from Colorado, Jason Crowe, Senator Mark Kelly, and some other Democrats did a video encouraging our military to not follow illegal orders. So what’s your thoughts about that, Rob Nielsen?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, from a constitutional standpoint, of course, the Constitution says that the president is the commander-in-chief, not members of Congress. Members of Congress can respond if they don’t like what the president is doing by cutting funding, for example, or by passing laws restricting somewhat the president’s power, although actually they’re limited in the laws they can pass because they can’t undercut the president’s constitutional status as commander-in-chief. That’s the constitutional answer. The political answer, as an old-time politician, is I think what this group of congressmen were trying to do is encourage insurrection.
SPEAKER 07 :
That’s pretty strong. That’s a pretty strong statement, Rob Nielsen.
SPEAKER 16 :
But I think that’s what they’re trying to do. Or at least, maybe I should say insubordination rather than insurrection. They have not been able to identify any illegal orders, as far as I know. Some people maintain that some of Trump’s deployments of National Guardsmen are not legal, but that’s a matter that’s under litigation. It’s not a matter to be challenged by individuals. of the soldiers on the line. I think it’s an outrageous thing. As far as I’m concerned, that is an absolute disqualifier for Jason Crow and anyone else who signed on to ever hold a position of American public trust again, ever.
SPEAKER 07 :
Wow, that is a strong statement on that.
SPEAKER 16 :
It’s strong because this was an outrageous action. It was outrageous. I don’t know what to equate it to, but I don’t know of any case since the Civil War, there may be one, where members of Congress are actively encouraging members of the armed forces to disobey their commander-in-chief.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, yesterday I talked about this and was connecting some dots. So Senator Tammy Duckworth from Illinois was on one of the Sunday morning shows and was saying that this second hit on one of the drug boats was an illegal act, and she even called it murder. And then last week when Chris Harris was on, who is… a retired border patrol agent within the San Diego sector, he said, and I found it from the Epoch Times, that there are billboards that are appearing outside of military installations encouraging our military to not follow legal orders. So this is a coordinated event and got kicked off by…
SPEAKER 16 :
I think it says a lot more. I mean, I don’t know what the facts are regarding the second strike on what I would call the pirate boat. All I would remind people of is that the drug runners are what members of the founding generation would call hostes homonigenes, which is Latin for enemies of the human race. They’re in the same category as pirates. The traditional rule with pirates is you can destroy them anywhere you can find them. So whether even a second hit violates the laws of war, I’m not sure, because sometimes the laws of war don’t actually apply to pirates. But whatever the merits are in that particular case, the coordinated defiance of democratically enacted… federal law is just incredible. I mean, here you have these people who 10, 20 years ago were calling us, labeling us, those of us who favor reasserting the positions of states within the Constitution, they were calling us nullifiers and insurrectionists and worse. And here they are trying to undermine federal law in a case where the federal law is clearly constitutional and clearly legitimate. It’s quite a commentary on them, much more a commentary on them than it is on the Trump administration.
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Welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. Check out our website. That is Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. And I wanted to just mention, you know what, I think I did all those things that I need to do. We have Rob Nadelson on the line. The call-in number is 303-477-5600. And the text line is 720-605-0647. And we have Bruce on the line, and he’s got some questions for Rob. Bruce, welcome. Thank you.
SPEAKER 10 :
Hi there. Hey, good morning. Good morning, people. I will give a preface on this. I was just doing a little channel surfing as I’m coming into the office. So and I popped on to 560 and I heard Mr. Nadelson’s discussion about the six federal employees, the congresspersons and whatnot who posted the video. This is coming from the perspective of a retired military officer, having spent more than two decades in the Navy, understanding at least at a basic level the concept of illegal orders. And I’m going to submit to you both that Mr. Nadelson’s verbiage of inciting insubordination, that’s a little bit inflammatory. Here’s my assertion. The orders that have been given, let’s talk about the Venezuelan, and you used the term pirates. I would also disagree with that, although I understand the analogy. The strikes on those I would submit to you that it is at least questionable as to whether those orders are legal or not. There is no declared conflict, no declaration of war, so it becomes problematic as to whether the rules of law, I’m sorry, the rules of war come into play. And if that doesn’t come into play, then you get into the question of to put it colloquially, judge, jury, and executioner. In other words, an extrajudicial killing. So all of that to be said, using terms like insubordination or inciting insubordination or insurrection, very, very inflammatory and very problematic. I’ll stop talking and listen to response. What do you got?
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, thank you, Bruce. Rob?
SPEAKER 16 :
Well, first, Bruce, I was careful to say that I did not know the ultimate facts regarding what happened in the Caribbean. I did, however, make the analogy to pirates in order to point out something that has not been part of the discussion, and that is the traditional treatment of what have been called enemies of the human race is a little different. from that of dealing with honorable combatants who are lawful combatants. My point about inciting insubordination, yeah, I agree. It was inflammatory. It was designed to inflame, and properly so. If an order is disputed, there are methods for dealing with that. My understanding, however, is that the military code puts a heavy burden on anyone who seeks to claim that an order was illegal and therefore he didn’t have to follow it. Some of these orders are legally questionable or under litigation. I think that having members of Congress telling people, enlisted people, or lower-line officers to make those kinds of decisions… for themselves and deny the enforcement of the order because they, perhaps not being lawyers, have concluded that it’s illegal. I think that, yeah, I think that is inciting insubordination. And I think that that was the intent behind it, to incite insubordination, to create trouble within the military, enough turbulence within the military to try to curb the commander-in-chief’s powers.
SPEAKER 06 :
Bruce, any other thoughts?
SPEAKER 16 :
I’m going to submit to you that you are incorrect. I also emphasized the virtually unprecedented nature of this. I’m a historian. I can’t think of another example since the Civil War. Maybe you can. But this is not something that members of Congress traditionally do. It’s not been viewed as a role for members of Congress. The role of members of Congress is to cut off funding, to raise public outcry, to pass legislation, to curb the president if they think he’s overreaching, to sue the president if they think he’s overreaching, not to encourage insubordination of the ranks.
SPEAKER 06 :
Bruce, your final thought?
SPEAKER 10 :
I agree. That’s your interpretation that it’s encouraging insubordination. It is not insubordination to question the validity of an order. That’s coming from the point of view and the knowledge and experience of a military officer. It’s very easy to say that it’s insubordination coming from the point of view of an academic.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yesterday, Bruce, I had on 97-year-old Colonel Bill Rutledge, retired United States Air Force, and he sees the issue totally different than you do, and he also has that military experience. Bruce, I really appreciate you calling in. Thank you so much for your perspective on that.
SPEAKER 16 :
Let me do that quickly, if I could, Kim. It’s not wrong for a military person to question the legitimacy of order. What’s wrong is to take it upon himself to disobey the order in circumstances where the illegitimacy is questionable and in circumstances where the members of Congress who made this video themselves can’t identify specifically any illegal orders.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s an important point. Bruce, really, thank you. Ron is on the line. And, Ron, what is on your radar?
SPEAKER 15 :
Yeah, Tim, I think Ralph is absolutely correct. To give you an analogy, if you had your children and basically, same analogy, you had your children and you have friends or people that they’re associated with that are around St. Mary and they say, you know what, don’t listen to your mom or your dad. You know, do drugs or do this or do that. Or, you know, let’s go break into houses or whatever. You know, don’t listen to what they have to say. It’s completely wrong. And it’s – I may be coming at this the wrong way, but I just think that what they’re doing is they’re the people that are trying to persuade – the military to do the wrong thing.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Ron, thank you. We’ve got just a couple of minutes left. Rob, your response and your wrap-up.
SPEAKER 16 :
Yeah, it’s not only wrong. The analogy is a pretty decent one, but it’s also not a way to run the military. I mean, you can’t have a bunch of back-alley lawyers questioning the legality of military orders that… that are not obviously and clearly illegal. I mean, if President Trump tells a soldier to go out and massacre an entire village for no cause, well, that’s an easy call. But whether a second strike on a boat in the Caribbean or whether the deployment of National Guard under circumstances is illegal, that’s something that the courts wrestle with, that the lawyers wrestle with. It’s not something for individual members of the armed forces to disobey because they want an informed opinion on the matter. Hey, Rob, we have a minute.
SPEAKER 06 :
We’ve got a minute left, and Yvonne, I bet she can quickly make her point. Yvonne, your quick question?
SPEAKER 24 :
Sure, absolutely. Very quickly, I believe Mr. Nittleson is 100% correct. I am also an officer of the United States military, former officer, and there is no place whatsoever for people in Congress for making those types of inflammatory comments that were specifically designed. It doesn’t take a rocket scientist. Anybody can figure out that if you’re talking about something that didn’t need to be talked about and they’re talking about it, And it should be talked about by somebody else that they are doing it by design to inflame some kind of thing across our military. And then followed up with what the other people have said that have been happening around our post. This is all by design. So this is not a coincidence and it is not their business. It’s the business of the JAG officers of the UCMJ to deal with that kind of stuff.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay. Yvonne, thank you. Hey, Rob, we are out of time. This is great. I really appreciate it. And we will do this the second Tuesday in January again. I wish you and yours very Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, and thank you, Rob.
SPEAKER 16 :
Merry Christmas, Kim. Thanks for having me on.
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