Welcome to the Kim Monson Show podcast. Kim Monson is your host. It is madness at the Colorado State House. Guest host Allen Thomas and retired Producer Steve discuss the latest under the Golden Dome with Colorado House Representative Max Brooks. Greg Lapoint with the Center for Natural Law explains that natural law is what makes individual and social progress possible. CUT (Colorado Union of Taxpayers) Vice-President Rob Knuth addresses legislation at the Colorado Capitol. We’ll hear from Karen Gordey, owner of Radiant Painting and Lighting, and RE/MAX Realtor Karen Levine. ————————————————————————————– The Kim Monson Show airs on KLZ
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With what is happening down at the Statehouse, I used to think that it was above my pay grade to read the legislation, and it’s not.
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I see big danger in as much as we will be giving an unelected bureaucrat the power to make rules about what we inject into our bodies.
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Is it freedom or is it force? Let’s have a conversation.
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and welcome to the kim monson show i’m alan thomas and i’m thrilled to be guest hosting today along with former producer steve ebling so steve welcome in back in thank you much and i i got to give you uh so much credit you just now just before the the opening started said let’s have some fun and i’m thinking i hope that’s the case and two hours from now this isn’t a big smoking hole in the ground and we will have made history one way or the other
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You know, I feel like when I first joined, there was plenty of smoking times, and we pulled through just fine. So I’m excited to have you in.
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I would suggest that maybe this guy on the other side of the glass has something to do with that. Oh, absolutely, yeah.
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what me no yes you well i’ll skip ahead a little bit and say just thank you to producer joe and all the team for all your hard work we we do appreciate you keeping us honest and and uh helping me out this morning my printer ran out of black ink so we were just sitting there waiting for the last couple pages to to print out right before the show but thank you for all you do producer joe
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It’s my pleasure, Alan.
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And, you know, it’s always the black ink. It’s always the black ink.
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I got a warning yesterday when I was printing this out. Well, black ink is low, so maybe it’s the next crisis. Who knows?
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Next shortage. So go grab your black ink. uh printer cartridges but thank you all for listening each of you are treasured and valued and have a purpose so today strive for excellence take care of your heart your soul your body and your mind you were made for this moment in history and make sure and check out the website kim monson mon son.com you can sign up for the weekly email newsletter you’ll get a first look at all the upcoming guests as long as as well as the most recent essays and you can always email her at kim at kim monson.com Thank you to the Harris family for their gold sponsorship of the show. And thank you to Hooters Restaurant for their sponsorship. There are three locations, Aurora, Westminster, and Loveland. They have great lunch specials Monday through Friday for dine-in or to-go. Wednesdays are wings days. By 20 wings, get an additional 10 for free. Offers to-go or dine-in. Hooters Restaurant is a great place to get together with friends to watch your favorite teams. And then we’ll get over here to the word of the day. I found a fun one yesterday, producer Steve. The word is pernicious. It’s an adjective. It’s spelled P-E-R-N-I-C-I-O-U-S. Pernicious, and it means highly injurious or destructive, causing insidious harm or ruin. And I kind of picked it out because we have a lot of… I think I know why, but go ahead. Well, we’ll be talking to… cut later on, the Colorado Union taxpayers are going to give us an update on some of the bills they’ve taken a position on. And we’ll be talking about some of the naming, the pernicious naming of the bills and how they get away with naming bills certain names, but then really the meaning behind the name is way different, right? So it’s injurious and destructive because it’s not real. They’re kind of faking it and they’re making it sound different than what the actual bill is.
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It’s been a part of their arsenal of what they do and the way they do it now for decades.
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Exactly. Exactly. And, you know, I asked you yesterday to help find us a quote of the day and you found us a doozy.
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Well, I’m glad you like it. And actually, when we go to the second hour, it’s the same guy, but another quote. Because when you go looking for anything of the thoughts of Thomas Sowell, you are bound to get an avalanche of really good stuff. So today, a quote of the day is, or at least for this hour, the most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. Therefore, we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas… do not have to work in order to survive. Thomas Sowell, he’s an American economist, economic historian, and social theorist. He’s a well-known voice in the American conservative movement and is a prominent black conservative. He will turn 96 in June. Wow. Just dwell on him just a second here. Part of his formative years were spent in Harlem, and he could have easily gone another direction, but he has this incredible mind, intelligent, and you just look at his quotes and some of his other writings, you just can’t help but be impressed.
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You know, it’s funny when you go down the quote train with Thomas Sowell, you’ll go down that train all afternoon and be like, wait a minute, I was just looking for one quote and I wound up reading half his book. Picking one was really difficult. It is, but very timely, especially we’ll be in the second hour, we’ll be talking to Representative Max Brooks here in the state legislature. And Part of the quote, therefore, we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive. That describes our political system to a T, unfortunately. It’s what we’ve digressed to, yeah. Yeah, and it’s not one of the headlines we had right away, but… It’s kind of funny. I saw a headline driving in about Mom Donnie over in New York City was proposing, hey, let’s spend a ton of money in and how are we going to do it? Let’s raise taxes. So how do you raise taxes? You increase property taxes, which increases rent. And what did he run on? Lowering rent. So, you know, it’s it’s one of those brilliant, brilliant ideas of they’re crashing the rainy day fund. They’re going to increase rent. I have already gotten in the habit with him.
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Anytime you see his name, excuse me, his picture, it’s always something that’s going the wrong direction. It’s like, OK, New York, have you seen it yet? Do you see what’s going on?
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And, you know, unfortunately, it’s one of those things that just will have to kind of die out on its own a little bit, you know. So we’ll see where that goes, but it’s probably pretty predictable. But, Joe, do you have something you wanted to add? The only point I have to make is New York did it to themselves. They voted him in. Absolutely. And, you know, that’s an idea that that kind of comes to us from the founding fathers, too. They they said we get the government we deserve. And unfortunately, I think that’s also true here in Colorado, even though it’s the place I was born and raised. We’re seeing it go in the wrong direction. And it’s the government we deserve at the at this point in time.
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That particular thought, that phrase I’ve been told in the past. Excuse me. There’s a biblical tie into that. And I think it comes from the Old Testament. I’m still looking for it. But essentially, a nation will get the leadership that it justly deserves. I think, boy, what an indictment.
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Well, the good news of it, and there’s lots to it, but you kind of see that when they’re freed from Egypt, they’re going into the Promised Land, they decide to trust a certain number of spies to go spy out the land, and they basically say, hey, we need to be scared of all these people in the land that God has given us, and God sends them out to the desert for 40 years. But at the end of that 40-year desert… they get to walk in and have that full trust in God again. So, you know, maybe we’re going through a desert. Hopefully this is… We’ve been towards the end of the desert in politics here in Colorado. But either way, the tide will turn. It always does. We just have to do our best to… to do that. So, uh, where we can have these fun conversations, producer Steve, because we have wonderful sponsors of the show. And, and one of those sponsors is Karen Gordy with radiant lighting, painting and lighting. And we’re fortunate to have her on the line with us right now. Welcome to the show, Karen.
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Thank you. Good morning. How are you?
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Oh, we’re, we’re already filling it all the show all up. So how’s everything going for you?
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Busy, busy, and that’s a good thing, right?
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Absolutely. And what did you have on your mind today, Karen?
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Well, you know, I do own Radiant Painting and Lighting, but I think we talked yesterday, and we want to talk about the Lakewood special election that is coming up on April 7th. So for the listeners, you know, as you know, the citizens ran. not just one but we ran four referendums um all three the first three were challenged or protested uh all four were deemed sufficient on january 12th and then two weeks later um the lakewood city council voted to hold a special election and so that is april 7th um they did play with the verbiage and so we’re voting yes to repeal the zoning ordinances There are radical zoning changes that would allow high density in the entire city. And so we want to vote yes to repeal on April 7th.
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So then just to clarify, we’re voting yes to repeal the high density zoning that the Lakewood passed.
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Is that correct? That is correct. Yes.
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Perfect. Yes. All our Lakewood listeners definitely keep in mind. And that’s on April 7th, 2026, correct?
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That is correct. It is mail-in voting only. There is no in-person voting. Ballots get mailed out starting March 16th. So about three weeks.
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March 16th. And will folks have to request a ballot if they’re not already on the list? Yes.
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If they’re not on the list, they can register. They can go to the city clerk and pick up a ballot and then vote right then and there. There’s a ballot drop off at City Hall.
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Fantastic. And how did you get involved in all this, Karen?
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I wrote an article last June making folks aware of the zoning changes that were coming and then over the summer I was running for Lakewood City Council was not successful but behind the scenes I was helping the folks running the referendum stay organized the city clerk now calls me the glue gal to hold everything together and and now I am the campaign manager for this ballot initiative. So it’s coming quickly.
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Karen, this is former producer Steve. I tried to chat with you yesterday and I got course corrected in the process of that. So sorry for filling up your voicemail box. You obviously have your ear to the ground on this. Where do you think this is going?
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well um it’s hard to say i know uh littleton tried to do zoning last year early 2025 and the citizens showed up um and kind of stopped city council for six months and then they ran a citizens initiative as a charter amendment so we’re keeping a close eye on that because the littleton city council went into executive session tuesday night to talk about the charter amendment um It’s interesting because you get several bills coming through, and I’m sure that we’ll talk about some of this, but HB 26-1001 allows nonprofits to build subsidized housing, which is interesting because there is some of that in our zoning, and it’s like it’s almost as if if lakewood loses this we’re ready to take over home rules from the state perspective and say okay now we’re going to mandate subsidized housing by non-profits etc on some of this land so it’s hard to say where this is going the nationwide effort but the citizens of lakewood are up in arms and hoping to stop this
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So definitely tell your neighbors and tell your friends. I know some folks that may not live in Lakewood, but they may have friends that live there. So make sure and tell them to get out and to vote and to vote yes on the repeal. So thank you for joining the show, Karen. And how can people find you?
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For the Radiant Painting and Lighting, you can go to www.paintwithradiant.com. And for Lakewood, you can go to lakewoodcitizensalliance.org. That’s .org. And get all the information on why to vote yes.
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Well, thank you very much for coming on the show, Karen, and telling us all about it. And I’m sure you’ll be filling people in from now until April. So thank you for all you do.
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Absolutely. Thank you so much for having me. Have a great day.
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And welcome back. I’m Alan Thomas filling in for Kim today, along with former producer Steve joining me in studio. Make sure and check out Kim’s website at KimMonson.com. And thank you all for contributing to support Kim’s independent voice and exercise our right to the freedom of speech. And through all of Kim’s work with veterans, she’s honored to highlight the U.S. MC Memorial Foundation and all they’re doing to raise money to remodel the official U.S. MC Memorial, which is located right here in Golden, Colorado at 6 and Colfax. Paula Sarles is the president of the foundation. She’s a Marine vet and a Gold Star wife. Paula and her team are working diligently to make the remodel a reality, so you can help by donating at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And we’re pleased to have on the line with us Rob Knuth, the vice president of CUT, the Colorado Union of Taxpayers, the only union I currently support. So welcome to the show, Rob.
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Well, good morning, Alan. Thanks for having me on, and look forward to discussing these items of Cut’s concerned issues with you.
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Yeah, definitely. Well, I saw Cut took some position on four bills a couple days ago, and I… Chose the word of the day today based on reading the first one. The word of the day is pernicious, so highly injurious or destructive. And, you know, how in the world could cut oppose Senate Bill 26018 legal protections for the dignity of minors? I mean, that sounds like a bold thing to oppose.
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I know. I know. How dare we think that parents should have rights after all this is said and done. When you said pernicious, I don’t think that there’s probably a better word to describe the current batch of legislators that are in the majority party down there under the gold dome. They are a bunch of reprobate rascals. And this is a classic example. They seem like nice enough people when you meet them in person, but their intent is one of pure evil. And it really vexes me that people support these type of legislators when it comes up to the elections. But anyway, that’s a different point. If you get into the details on this, this basically strips parents’ rights in dealing with their children when their gender dysphoria is something that’s of an issue. And it’s just… It’s just hideous. I don’t know what else to say. It makes you almost want to get crazy and thump some heads, but anyway.
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And so just to recap, the dignity of minors is respecting the the choices they make that they might not be the same gender at birth. Correct. So they’re trying to protect minors ability to choose and force parents to respect that same decision that their child is making.
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correct and if you look halfway through our discussion on the observation of the bill it says this bill strips parents of their parental rights exclamation point it allows courts to replace parents in cases of gender identity and gender confusion in a minor, which confusion may have been fostered by the school or persons outside the home. And we know in hard cases that that has been the case here in Jefferson County and in other counties here in our state by activists, frankly, reprobate teachers that have an odious,
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intent on what to inflict upon the kids that are subject to their influence yeah so again cut came out opposed to senate bill 26018 so make sure and tell your friends and neighbors even though the the wording of the title it says one thing it’s actually quite another so The other one, and I do like to sometimes, while there’s plenty of bills we can oppose throughout the legislative session, sometimes there are good ones that are necessary. And you guys also took a position on House Bill 26-1129, gas utility services, and you guys are in favor of that one, correct?
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Yes, correct. This is dealing with some of the rollback of the nonsensical green new deal nonsense that was started back during the obama administration and a lot of the colorado legislators in the majority party at this time are in favor of they’re not in favor of something practical that works and is environmentally efficient and friendly but they just want to cram their political agenda down the throats of the taxpayer and the citizens and this bill requires gas distribution utilities to exclude carbon dioxide emissions from residential customers when calculating their clean heat plans. So it rolled back the idea you can’t have a gas stove anymore and some of the other nonsensical items that the legislature has gone to meddling with, things way outside of their purview.
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Excuse me, Rob. This is former producer Steve. And that one really lights me up because I will not part with my gas cooktop. I’m sorry.
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Well, I understand. Well, we happen to have an electric stove because it was in the place when we moved here. But we’ve had gas in the past, and I certainly am not opposed to people making their own decision to have the appliance of their choice. It’s ridiculous the government is involved with that area. That gets to the heart of the matter. Thank you very much. Correct. Correct. Yes, sir. Well, actually, two of the four bills that we took positions on for cut engaged this week, we are in favor of, so we’re 50-50, which is kind of hard to do with the current makeup of the legislature.
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Absolutely. And, you know, fortunately, we’re going to have the bill, one of the bill co-sponsors for House Bill 1021 in the second hour. So the Second Amendment Protection Act, which fortunately from that name, we can infer exactly why it is cut is supporting. But maybe here in just a couple for just give us a brief recap on the second bill that cut up hoses. The House Bill 261114 allowed minimum lot size for subject jurisdiction.
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Yeah, on that one, again, the legislature is meddling in affairs that really should be left to the local government entities, either incorporated cities or townships or the county should be under their purview. But this one is the bill mandates that any local government referred to as a subject jurisdiction cannot require a parcel of land to be larger than 2 000 square feet as it is intended for a single family home and we unanimously opposed this bill we have free thinkers on our board and sometimes we come up with varying opinions on something but on this one we were unanimous we do not believe in trampling on local government you know, decisions as to how to mandate residential homes and the type of formation of building and codes involved with that.
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And I couldn’t agree more, and I think you guys are doing excellent work there. So Rob Knuth, Vice President of the Carter Union of Taxpayers, where can folks go to find all your opinions on these?
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Well, if they go to coloradotaxpayer.com, ColoradoTaxPayer.org. They can participate in making their voice heard to their particular legislator in regards to these cut engaged bills. And they can see our positions on the different bills. We usually take positions on, well, of late it’s been about a third of what is going on under the gold dome. We have a bandwidth, unlike the legislators that have their special interests and lobbyists writing their bills for them. We have to wade through this stuff. And so we go through about a third of their legislative issues and bills.
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Well, and it’s a lot of work to keep up with them. So we definitely appreciate your tireless efforts to keep the public updated on all these bills. So thanks again for joining us, Rob. And we get to have these wonderful conversations because of great sponsors. And one of those is Karen Levine.
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And welcome back. This is Alan Thomas filling in for Kim today along with former producer Steve in studio with me. Make sure and visit Kim’s website, kimmonson.com. You can sign up for the weekly email newsletter there. And you can always email her at kim at kimmonson.com. Thank you all for contributing to support our independent voice. And each of us has unique goals for our lives. With over 25 years of experience in the credentials of an accredited investment fiduciary, Jody Henze and her team at Mint Financial Strategies can help you create a strategy, first wealth plan built for you. Whether you’re preparing for retirement, planning for education costs, or navigating major life transitions, Mint Financial Strategies will design a customized strategy to help you invest confidently and move forward with clarity for your life. So call Mint Financial Strategies today at 303-285-3080 to embark on your journey to financial freedom. Again, that’s 303-285-3080. It’s pretty fitting who we have lined up next for our next guest. We’re joined on the line today by Dr. Greg LaPointe for the Center for Natural Law. And we have quite a bit to talk about because we have a legislative session that’s off the rails. So welcome to the show, Dr. LaPointe.
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Good morning, Steve. How are you? Good to be here.
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Well, we’re glad to have you. And, you know, it’s funny when you talk about big ideas and big concepts, natural law is certainly one of those, isn’t it?
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It sure is. But it’s not always expansive. It can be distilled down to specific rules or concepts, guidelines. It can provide guidance in everyday life concerning our ordinary routines. And so it’s a marvelous tool. subject area because it is so beneficial on so many levels in so many ways. It’s expansive, no doubt, but it provides very specific tools as well to function in a productive way in our lives, no doubt about it, yes.
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So, Dr. LaPointe, maybe you can help the listeners a little bit today just get a brief summary of what natural law even is. It sounds good. You know, we have it in our Declaration of Independence. But if you could boil it down just to just a little bit, what is natural law?
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Well, some people want to refer to natural laws of theory. It really is a science. It is the science of how we should live our lives. It reflects upon the human person, the family, society, and it asks those basic questions. What is the best way we should organize ourselves? What kind of activities would be the most beneficial and productive for all of us, again, as families, as societies, and as a country as well? So it is intended to be a guide. It’s been compared to a roadmap. It’s been compared to a compass. It’s been compared to a lighthouse that guides ships in the night. In other words, it’s a guide, and it provides direction. It does, frankly. So many people are confused as to what to do with their own lives. Natural law would remedy that. So it is a science, first of all, is what I would say. And how we implement it in our lives, there is certainly some… subject subjectivity or art to it. How we, for example, how we are a good parent. There’s parents are can be good in different ways. A particular worker or a teacher can be a good teacher. In different ways, and so on. In all our different occupations, we can fulfill the objective requirements, but there’s a touch of our personalities and our own characters that are brought into it. So it’s an art. So it’s a science, and it’s an art of productive living. And it does have certain priorities. It does emphasize family. No question about it. It is pro-life, so it’s pro-child. It is certainly pro-education. It is pro-personal responsibility. No doubt about it. So it calls all people everywhere to… live in a way that’s honest and genuine and uh civil i would use that word certainly uh uh prudent that we’re prudent with our lives and our decisions so it does involve the individual living an honest decent life but it certainly emphasizes the family so it’s a science and an arts about society and emphasizes the family and is certainly pro-life.
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Dr. LaPointe, this is former producer Steve. Alan was good enough to let me help him out this morning. I am sitting here with my jaw on the desk because everything you just said in the last two to three minutes seems to be so incredibly counter-cultural, if I can use that phrase, in terms of the way this culture in the United States is moving. Yes.
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Yes. Oh, of course. That is part of the reason why I started the Center for Natural Law and also the Natural Law Academy about 15 years ago. Yes, there are enemies. Perhaps I should let you finish your statement. Go ahead, sir.
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Actually, I guess I was finished. Like I said, my jaw was on the desk because of the nature of everything that you just said. It’s like this culture is moving the other direction. And I’m so happy to hear the things that you’re saying as you’re basically taking up your mantle here and pushing back.
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Absolutely. And so I would respond to that in this way. Part of the reason why we have so much, can I just call it craziness just for an easy word to use?
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You certainly can.
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So much dysfunction, so much unhappiness, so much chaos, so much confusion, so much discontent, unhappiness. is precisely because in different areas of our history, objectivity, realism has been disparaged, has been pushed to the side. We are now a country and really, in some respects, a world that is ruled by idealism. It is ruled by materialism in different sectors of our society. And these generate, you can think of idealism and materialism as soil. And from that soil, certain ideologies emerge. For example, abortion emerges from the soil of materialism. Some of these crazy groups that we see in Washington or in Minnesota, a lot of what they’re doing grows from the soil of idealism. There’s a detachment from reality. So, in the schools, and I would really fall, I happen to be a Catholic, and I’m working on some activities where I’m trying to urge Catholic schools to come back to philosophical realism. Part of the problem is that we’ve left philosophical realism. Natural law is based in So ideologies of various kinds that we see, things like feminism, Marxism, relativism, and multiculturalism, a lot of these ideologies are based in idealism or materialism. It depends on which ideology you’re talking about. But these are not sound philosophies at all. In fact, they’re destructive philosophies. In fact, we see part of the problem, I would say, and again, I happen to be Catholic. I’m looking at a sheet of paper here, Catholic schools, Catholic schools, Boston College teaching feminism and Marxism. And of course, I mean, these are just a couple of classes and they have others. Marquette teaches, again, feminism and Marxism. University of San Francisco, Catholic school, again, feminist thought. Fordham University, another Catholic school, feminism, phenomenology, German idealism. This is a problem. Regis University, phenomenology, feminism, Villanova. Again, Marxism, feminism. It’s consistent. That is, feminism is anti-family. Idealism is anti-reality. And so go ahead. Yes, sir.
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Oh, I just it seems like a lot of the divergence happens from the very foundation of where these thoughts come from, where natural law believes that there is a truth and it can be discovered. It can be reasoned. There’s a a moral reason. Right that rises even above government that that we have these natural laws and natural rights And it’s the job of the government to discover them and to legislate them whereas these ideologies believe that Really truth is a little relative right and so you have this divergence from the very beginning about why they’re anti realism because as we all know truth isn’t relative and
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Well said, Steve. That is a very precise definition and a good one, by the way. So that is as good as you can say it. Natural law is based on human nature. And so we look at human nature, we reflect upon it, and it does… provide for us norms that are objective and they apply to people who live in this country or other countries or in any other time in history. Human nature provides norms and standards for us to live by. And when we depart from those, Life becomes a bumpy ride, and it becomes unhappy, and it can become destructive. And society follows. So individuals engage in destructive activities, and they embrace some of these… radical ideas, and society starts to fall right afterwards. You bet. You have to get grounded. You have to explore what is healthy for the human person. And then society follows that. So absolutely, there are norms. They’re objective. They’re universal. They’re based on human nature. They should be the template that civil law follows, and civil law does not follow them at all. There’s just a long, long, long list of civil laws that violate natural law. There’s no question about it.
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And it seems like and it’s kind of funny, too, because you’re using some words that like prudence, a lot of these virtuous words that our founding fathers talked a lot about. And we’ve really lost a good grasp on as a society.
SPEAKER 15 :
Absolutely. You know, you mentioned government at the very beginning, at the introduction. The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, the Bill of Rights, saturated with natural law principles. There’s no doubt about it. A lot of people credit John Locke, but natural rights, for example, go all the way back to the Stoics. So natural rights preexisted Locke. Locke did… repeat those and develop them and espouse them, which was very good. But you’re right. Our country was founded on natural law principles. And so it’s so important that we stay faithful to those. And prudence is one of the cardinal virtues. We find it not only in the Old Testament, but Aristotle and other philosophers talked about it. The cardinal virtues, prudence, temperance, fortitude and justice. They’re considered the foundational virtues. You can think of them as four branches coming from a big, large main branches within a tree. All other virtues hang from those four cardinal virtues. Prudence, temperance, fortitude, and justice. Absolutely. And justice is in there, as you can see. So no doubt about it. The founding of our country very much tied to natural law principles. It’s true.
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And welcome back. I’m Alan Thomas filling in for Kim today, along with former producer Joe in studio with us. So make sure and check out Kim’s website at Kim Monson dot com. And if you’re ever in Pueblo, make sure and visit the Center for American Values, which is located there on the beautiful Riverwalk. The center is focused on the foundational values of America, honor, integrity and patriotism. Through their K-12 educational programs, training for educators, and portraits of valor of over 160 Medal of Honor recipients, the Center is helping to instill honor, integrity, and patriotism in our next generations. So check out their website. It is AmericanValuesCenter.com. That’s AmericanValuesCenter.com. We’re also joined on the… on the phones today by Dr. Greg LaPointe, founder of the Center for Natural Law. And Dr. LaPointe, before we get too carried away in fun discussions, how can folks find out more about the center?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, I appreciate that. Our website is centerfornaturallaw.org. That’s centerfornaturallaw.org. I also have an online natural law program, an educational program, that can be found at thenaturallawacademy.com. Thenaturallawacademy.com. I have a three-week program to learn about natural law. I have a five-week, and I have a three-month. The three-month program will generate a certificate of completion. And so it’s a diploma. You’ll receive a diploma after the three-month program. Again, that’s at thenaturallawacademy.com. Thank you.
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Dr. Point, this is Steve again. Again, I’m just amazed at everything that you’ve shared with us so far, but my mind takes me back to the beginning of the century here. Postmodernism was kind of making a big push back in the 25, 26 years ago. Is there any connective tissue between what you’re doing today and that effort?
SPEAKER 15 :
Well, postmodernism is a period of time in philosophy. And I am really departing philosophy a little bit. I do hold the position that after William of Ockham and Rene Descartes, the whole Renaissance, of course, there have been good philosophers, those that have stayed loyal to what I call philosophical realism, metaphysical realism, a lot of good philosophers. in that school. But so many have departed into this dualism of human nature, and it just starts leading people in the wrong direction. And it’s anti-realism. In my view, philosophy can be divided into philosophical realism and philosophical anti-realism. And anti-realism, in my view, is is anti-fact, it’s anti-creation, it’s anti-God, it’s anti-Christian. Anti-realism is a destructive category of philosophy. And I would just say that what happened in post-modernism has a lot of Marxist elements in it. And so post-modernism is not a good category of philosophy. Again, because I teach natural law, I’m an advocate for natural law, I am very squarely in the corner of philosophical realism. And as time goes on, I know who the quote-unquote adversaries are, and they’re in philosophy, and they’re in politics, and they’re in many different ideologies. I’m very much of a realist. Modernism is a cabal of kind of the worst of philosophy, frankly. But yeah, I would just say it’s a stage, an epoch.
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of philosophy thank you for that clarification yeah and you know along with that so we’ve kind of gone over kind of what it isn’t but you know it sounds remarkably kind of like libertarianism but also it’s not because that’s a political movement versus the science that you’re talking about well that’s a very good question and I would answer that this way
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There’s part of libertarianism that is very matches, I should say, natural law thinking politically, and that is small government. No question about it. Natural law emphasizes personal responsibility. It does require that the individual person grow and become a good, a fine person with many character qualities that are positive and they’re social and they’re civil and they’re productive. It calls individuals to be responsible. It emphasizes the family completely, totally pro-family, pro-child. And so government above that, well, subsidiarity is, I’m sorry, excuse me. Subsidiarity is a concept that emphasizes decision makers at the lowest level, families, communities, churches. should be making the decisions that affect them not the state not the federal government certainly not so subsidiarity is that part of our natural law that that corresponds very closely to libertarianism however II am looking at a up email I got from the pro-life libertarian caucus that the pro-life libertarian caucus and that is they step in the right direction. So many libertarians would say, hey, if a woman wants to get an abortion, that’s her business. The natural law would not say that. They would oppose that. Abortion is killing another human being according to the natural law. But libertarians may not concur with that. There’s also the non-aggression principle, and that should not be taken to an extreme degree. in the natural law position. There are times when aggression is necessary, self-defense, certainly. Pulling back, you know, I know that we have ships, for example, in different areas, the military in different areas of our world for security reasons i don’t think the libertarians would agree with that and i don’t agree with the libertarians on that and i don’t think they’re correct we do have to be use aggression uh sometimes in our lives and so in our in our the lives of the activities of our country uh and uh and also libertarianism can sometimes be libertine Do whatever you want, you know, drugs or prostitution or what have you. And I’m not sure the natural law would concur with that either. So there is a morality that is associated with natural law that you don’t see in the libertarian position. However, the small government component is squarely in the corner of natural law thinking. Small government is what we agree on.
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And it definitely seems like it’s rooted in the fact that natural law can help guide our choices, whereas libertarianism is a political movement and a political party. And I think certainly when we’re talking about these issues, as you’ve kind of You know, if it’s a science of natural law ethics, it means it’s discoverable and it may mean that we may be wrong about something now, but let’s reason, discuss and figure out the best best path forward, because unlike what many on the left would say, science is definitely not fixed. It’s discoverable.
SPEAKER 15 :
That is absolutely true. You know, there are some things that we can know about with a good deal of certainty. You might want to call it a fact, but there’s no question. Sometimes we are surprised where we acquire new information, new knowledge. and we have to readjust our views, our opinions on things. There’s no question about that. So it is a process of learning. Natural law does unfold over the course of time. Any particular country, civilization, community, they can be regressive. in their moral activities. They can be going backwards, you know, and a lot of people think that some segments of American culture are going backwards, and I would tend to agree with it. I don’t know what the abortion count is. How many abortions has America been responsible for? Is it up to 70 million yet?
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It’s heartbreaking, truly.
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Oh, my gosh. It’s regressive. And also a culture can improve and become more civil. And human dignity is a good barometer of does a culture respect and elevate human dignity? Does a culture do everything they can to respect all citizens equally? That is a good test of civility. whether a particular society, community, country is following natural law. The emphasis they place on the value of human life. And so we… But absolutely true. It is a scientific endeavor. It is a process of learning. We can accumulate knowledge and the actual practice. And natural law is all about practice, really. It’s… There is theory, of course. We have to talk about it theoretically and understand it. But it’s about practical behavior, doing the right thing. And so, yes, it is just like the individual can grow and become a better person in so many respects, so can a culture. The same thing occurs in culture. And, of course, we have our civil laws that have to comply with natural law. That’s a big area there.
SPEAKER 18 :
Definitely. Well, Dr. LaPointe, we greatly appreciate you coming on air. And can you tell folks just one more time before we have to go how to get a hold of you?
SPEAKER 15 :
There’s a center for natural law.org and there’s a natural law academy.com. If you go to those two websites, my email address is there. Feel free to contact me anytime. And by all means, enroll in our class. We would love to have you. I think you will thoroughly enjoy our program. When you’re done, you are a certified practitioner of natural law. So please enroll in the natural law academy.com. Stephen Allen, it was an excellent experience this morning. Thank you so much.
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I want to thank you because I sit down and contemplate what this culture is doing, where it’s going, and this discussion has been very reaffirming. Again, my thank you.
SPEAKER 15 :
Of course.
SPEAKER 18 :
And thank you, Dr. LaPointe. Yeah, definitely. Thank you so much.
SPEAKER 15 :
Have a great afternoon. Thanks again. Let’s do it again sometime.
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Yes, sir. We definitely want to, and we definitely encourage all of our listeners to study those ancient Stoic virtues, prudence, temperance, fortitude, and justice. And, you know, for the end of the show, we wanted to kind of go back to our founding, go back to, you know me, I kind of like the Federalist Papers a little bit. So James Madison had a wonderful quote there. He said, “…the accumulation of all powers, legislative, executive, and judiciary…” If it is held up all together in the same hands, whether one, a few, many, or whether hereditary, self-appointed, or elective, may justly be pronounced as the very definition of tyranny, that it is of great importance in a republic not only to guard this society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of society against the injustice of the other part. So I thought that was a pretty fitting remark when we’re talking about our legislative folks under the Capitol Dome that they have every part of the government. And even James Madison said that’s a little bit like tyranny.
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Again, a little bit of pushback on this pernicious aspect that we were talking about earlier.
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it really is and you know we always get good comments and texts in but uh unfortunately kim has the phone today so if you are texting in we we aren’t able to see it but kim still can so make sure and keep doing that and uh we’re also thrilled to have in studio with us uh representative max brooks so welcome welcome to the show representative brooks good morning thanks for having me again it’s good to see you absolutely and uh You know, again, thank you all for listening. Each of you are treasured, valued, and have a purpose. So today, strive for excellence. Take care of your heart, your soul, your mind, and body. We were made for this moment. And as always, thank you, Producer Joe, for all your work and for all of the team’s work as well. It is my pleasure, Alan. Well, make sure and visit Kim’s website at kimmonson.com. You can sign up for the weekly email newsletter and you’ll get a first look at all the guests that are coming on. Thank you all for contributing to support our independent voice and exercising our right to freedom of speech. And thank you to Laramie Energy for their gold sponsorship of the show. It’s reliable, efficient, affordable, and abundant power. from naturally occurring hydrocarbons such as oil natural gas and coal that powers our lives fuels our hopes and dreams and empowers us to change our own personal climate and then we also have to thank uh you know food sponsors are always one of my favorite sponsors so from parker Here to Golden, Little Richie’s Pizza and Pasta is your go-to for real New York-style pizza, hearty pastas, and that unbeatable local vibe. So Little Richie’s is serving up daily specials, quick and tasty weekday lunch deals, and a happy hour. The locals actually build their plans around. So whether you’re bringing the crew, catching up with friends, or flying solo for a hot slice, Little Richie’s is your neighborhood hangout. So, Representative Brooks, I think you’ll like this one. When we were talking about the show and everything we were going to have on today, we talked natural law in the first hour. We know what’s happening down at the statehouse, and we’re going to get an update from you here in a little bit. But the word I ran across was pernicious. It’s an adjective. It’s spelled P-E-R-N-I-C-I-O-U-S. And it means highly injurious or destructive, causing insidious harm or ruin. I thought you’d get a kick out of the word of the day there.
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Actually, I already had that kind of my mental list to talk to you about because I heard that word used on the way in. I was listening on the radio on the drive in. And it’s a fantastic word, really, to describe legislature because… I refer to mint, right? You know, the little plant. It smells good. It tastes good. You put some in tea. But it’s pernicious because it has this weed-like root system. That if you’re not careful where you plant it, it’ll take over absolutely everything. It just spreads and it goes and it cannot be pulled up. If anybody out there has ever tried to eradicate mint, you know how difficult it is. You’re going to have these huge weed-like root balls. That’s the legislature. That is a very apt analogy. You can’t just get in there and say, you know what, we’re just going to pull this out or that out because it’s below the surface. It’s out of sight. You don’t know what’s going on. But yet, all of a sudden, there’s this force that’s greater than what can be seen that is working against what I think you talked about in the first hour, and that’s natural law.
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and you have a massive problem that’s unknown but it still existed right what a great great word pictures here and everything that was just set here hey now let’s talk about the quote of the day if you’re looking for a quote of the day my go-to is thomas soul and this one really reached out and grabbed me by the throat ours may become the first civilization destroyed not by the power of our enemies but by the ignorance of our teachers and the dangerous nonsense they are teaching our children. In an age of artificial intelligence, they are creating artificial stupidity. Wow. Thomas Sowell is an American economist, economic historian, and a social theorist. He is well-known and voiced in the American conservative movement as a prominent black conservative, and he will turn 96 this June. He’s been at it for a long time. He has been at it at a long time. I mean, I guess thus the great number of quotes.
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Yes. I’ve heard the older you get, the wiser you get. But I won’t name your age, producer Steve. Not at all.
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Let’s move along. You’ve got somebody here on the phone.
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We do. We’re joined by Karen Levine on the phone. So, Karen, welcome to the show. Well, it sounds like you gentlemen are having quite the morning. A little too much fun, so we needed you to come in and add to it.
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Of course, of course. Well, happy to do so. And the world of residential real estate, I think, is moving. I know it’s moving as it should this time of year. And the weather has confused everyone. But generally, the spring selling season starts ramping up here over the next year. 30 days and there are more homes to choose from, which, you know, five years ago, we didn’t have a lot of choice. Now we have choice. And some of our sellers are more motivated. So we’re seeing better pricing, which makes opportunity and every market has opportunity. And right now, I’m surprised that there are not more buyers out in the market taking advantage of some of these opportunities, so.
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So Karen, is it… I’m here to tell them I’m available. Is it the spring weather, or is it because the legislative session is back at it again?
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That’s funny you would ask that. The legislative session is bombarding us in the housing market again, as they did last year, and they, as our representatives, tell us that they would like to bring affordable housing to our marketplace, and yet they continue to pass policy that increases the cost of bringing housing to the market.
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Is there anything in particular they’re looking at already, Karen, that you have your eyes on that we can pass along, or is it just you know it’s in the works?
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I know it’s in the works. We were fortunate. The Colorado Association of Realtors has a pretty good voice down at the Capitol, and we were able to defeat a vacancy bill that was in committee, and that happened, I think, a week and a half ago or so. I know Kim has talked about House Bill. I think it’s 1001. Kim has concerns about it, and yet… The Realtor Association supports it because it does offer opportunity to use lands that are owned by schools, by nonprofits, that I’m pretty sure the government helped them buy initially, and they are trying to bring some affordable product. Kim’s concern is that it would be all apartments, and yet when I read the bill, I believe it is trying to bring ownership units into our marketplace that are on the entry level. But, you know, I’m hopeful that they’re trying to do some good.
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Well, definitely. Well, Karen, we definitely need our listeners to be able to contact you to take advantage of the housing market. So how can they do that?
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Well, they can do that by giving me a call at 303-877-7516.
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Thank you very much, Karen. And do you just want to put a last pin in it before we go to break here?
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Of course. Well, I just want to say that I think the Kim Vinson Show does a lot of really good work. And for the listeners, if they have any questions about the real estate market, they’re maybe thinking about making a move. It’s never too early to give me a call. And again, that number is 303-877-7516.
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Thank you very much, Karen. It’s always great having you on the show.
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Thanks a lot.
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And welcome back to the Kim Monson Show. I’m Alan Thomas filling in for Kim today along with former producer Steve. We’re also thrilled to have Representative Max Brooks in studio with us. So make sure and sign up for Kim’s weekly email newsletter. You get to see who’s coming into the studio and who will be talking with us each week. Thank you all for contributing to support our independent voice in the exercise of our right to freedom of speech. And through all of Kim’s work with veterans, she’s honored to highlight the USMC Memorial Foundation and all the work they are doing to raise the money to remodel the official USMC Memorial, which is located right here in Golden, Colorado at 6th and Colfax. Paula Sarles is the president of the foundation. She’s a Marine veteran and a Gold Star wife. Paula and her team are working diligently to make the remodel a reality. You can help by donating at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. So, you know, as always, when we kind of go to break, we get to have little side discussions. And I thought ours was… Pretty good here, Representative Brooks, about the House bill that Karen brought up, 1001. And we kind of brought up a lot of the issues with the bill aren’t necessarily just the idea, but the process in order to do it. So maybe give us a quick rundown of the issue with that bill.
SPEAKER 19 :
Yeah. One zero zero one is this year’s version of what was proposed last year and discussed under the acronym of Yigby. Yes. In God’s backyard. So last year’s version, just for some context, it allowed for administrative approval of zoning multifamily units typically on religious land or educational land. They removed the religious land. It died on the Senate calendar. It sailed its way through House, as will 1001, but died on the Senate calendar last year. So this year, they removed the religious land, but it allows for an administrative approval of building, and again, most likely multifamily units, on nonprofit land and then also educational land. Now, two big problems with it, and again, to your point, You’re absolutely right. The intent is there. We hear this narrative at the state capitol that there’s a housing crisis. I push back on that. I don’t believe there’s a housing crisis. There may be, and I do agree with this, that there may be a bit of a crisis in terms of being able to build homes. affordable, or if you want to swap that word with attainable, or if you want to swap either of those words with workforce housing. We need to do better in that space. So the intent is there. However, when in this case, 1001, you eliminate the public process What’s very important for people to understand is that that means that you can’t show up at a planning commission meeting and say, hey, I want my voice to be heard. I don’t like this because that meeting won’t take place. You can’t show up at a town council meeting or a city council meeting and say, I don’t know if I like this because that meeting is not going to take place. They will tell you that there’s still room for some public comment, but it’s administratively valid. Accepted. So you have to email in the entire public process where people get a chance to be part of the decision is circumvented. The other the other the other piece of this is that. You have to think about what a single-family neighborhood looks like, right? When a single-family neighborhood is built out, I’m going to use an example in my district, which is a little area called McCanta. It’s actually not annexed to Castle Rock, but it’s just outside of Castle Rock. When they built that neighborhood, and it’s relatively new, they, of course, then set aside pieces of land for schools. That’s a very basic structure. You have homes. You’ve got to have the schools. You have to have infrastructure. It’s good planning. So there are two parcels of land that the school district owns. Now, the problem with this is that they’re told when you buy the house, oh, that’s going to be a school, or even better yet, sometimes they’re told that it’s open space. But if that’s going to be a school, the school district’s not building schools right now because guess what the school district doesn’t have money to do? Build schools. So, you take Douglas County School District, and this isn’t any shade directly at Douglas County School District, but it’s just an economic reality. That if they’re in a position where they’re financially struggling, and they’re not building schools, and are sitting on a parcel of land that could then be developed for, say… Multifamily housing for teachers or other things. What happens now is you’ve got multifamily structures that are in a single-family neighborhood that’s incongruous with good planning. Good planning will have the multifamily on the exterior of the property that’s being developed. And then, yeah, it’s very complex.
SPEAKER 18 :
painfully and carefully planned to circumvent all of that well and if i could because actually my background is in engineering and i worked with a lot of water wastewater districts so when you’re doing these uh master plans is what they call them when you’re building out the district you have to plan for how big sewer mains are you have to plan for how big the streets are You have to plan for all of these things. So when you have a plan and then the plan gets kind of tossed up, thrown out, all of a sudden your water lines aren’t big enough to support fire code for multifamily. Your sewer lines aren’t. You’re talking about massive upgrades that have to be done to all of the infrastructure. The parking, the roadways have to be much wider to accommodate more traffic flow. So all of a sudden you’re talking about a whole host of issues that Again, I think to your point is if the local community wants to agree to that and to agree to all of the the road improvements and all of these things, they certainly can. Right. I think that’s what we’re kind of saying. Let the local the local zoning do its work and involve the community. And don’t just allow an administrative bureaucrat to say, yep, this sounds like a good idea without taking into account all of those concerns.
SPEAKER 19 :
And their argument is that then that brings in the typical nimbyism, right? The not in my backyard. That folks will say, I don’t want that here. Now, I recognize that that does happen, but yet your point supersedes that. You’re talking about infrastructure. And if the infrastructure is not there, if the infrastructure does not support infrastructure, You know, these higher density units. Now we’ve completely destroyed a neighborhood. And for what? For an idea, an idea that it’s like we’re in a cornfield in Iowa, that if you build it, they will come. Well, first of all, Castle Rock, for one example, just one example, is not a mass transit community. There is no connectivity to RTD by choice. So if we’re going to build multifamily housing there, we’re basically putting a lot of folks on an island. And so it just doesn’t work. But that’s what happens when you have big government trying to solve top-down solutions and circumventing all of the local processes. There was another one last night that we heard in committee, 1114, kind of does the same thing. If you have a 6,000-square-foot lot, they want to subdivide those into 2,000-square-foot lots. To encourage more building and equitable, gosh, I can’t even remember some of the little phrases that they like to use, but equitable opportunity to be able to. to grow on the American dream of owning a home. But the problem is that you can’t put three 2,000-square-foot lots inside of a neighborhood that has 6,000 square foot. It doesn’t flow correctly.
SPEAKER 18 :
And, you know, it’s funny, Producer Steve, we talk about this a lot. Their reaction to make housing more affordable is more government when every single time we take away government and red tape in bureaucracies and regulations, it seems like it gets a little more affordable, doesn’t it?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, that, and I’m also thinking, and I have a one-track mind, I guess, but I hate to do this, you’re going to laugh, but it’s like the word of the day keeps coming back in some of the things that are being discussed here, and whether it’s the mint word picture that you brought up a little while ago, but this pernicious intrusion that is happening, and infrastructure, yeah, it’s got to lead the way, and yet there’s so many
SPEAKER 18 :
Exactly. And, you know, it’s funny, we talked with Rob Knuth with CUT about that bill we were just discussing. They opposed it, of course. And I do want to get over to the bill that… You and Representative Bradley co-sponsored the House Bill 26-1021. But before we do it, we can have these wonderful discussions because we have such good sponsors, one of those being Radiant Painting and Lighting.
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SPEAKER 18 :
And welcome back. This is Alan Thomas filling in while Kim has the day off. And former producer Joe is also here in studio. Make sure and former producer Steve, I did it. I, you know, all yesterday I said I shouldn’t do this. And there we go.
SPEAKER 04 :
One of us got a devotion. The other one got a promotion.
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And I’m not sure which is which. Does this mean I’m retired now? You know, if your retirement fund can support it, sure enough, Producer Joe, sure enough. So make sure and visit the website. That’s kibmonson, M-O-N-S-O-N.com. Thank you all for contributing to support our independent voice and exercise our right to the freedom of speech. And financial freedom starts with the right guide, and Mint Financial Strategies is here to help. As an independent firm with over 25 years of experience in the credentials of an accredited investment fiduciary, they offer advice that’s focused on you, not sales quota. Their strategy-first approach is all about helping you live life on your terms with clarity, confidence, and control. So call Mint Financial Strategies today at 303-285-3080. Your path to independent financial confidence is through Mint Financial Strategies. So I guess, Producer Joe, since they’re a sponsor, you’ve been talking to them so you can afford that retirement, right? That’s… Not quite yet. Still got a little savings. Still got some earning potential. So we’re joined in studio by Representative Max Brooks. So it’s always great having you in studio here. And before I forget, how can people get a hold of you and keep up to date with everything that you do there at the Capitol?
SPEAKER 19 :
You can go to I’ve got my website, Max Brooks for F.O.R. It’s not the numerical Max Brooks for Colorado. But then also, you know, you can you can search me. I’m pretty easy to find on social media. So get the get the Instagram, you know, the X and. Facebook.
SPEAKER 18 :
Sign up for your newsletter, too. You send out some newsletters.
SPEAKER 19 :
The newsletter goes out every week. That’s a great way of being able to keep, and I keep it short. I keep it a lot shorter in my newsletter than I am able to answer questions on radio. So you’ll be able to go through that. Actually, the name of the newsletter is Max’s Minute. And the idea is you ought to be able to go through that thing in just a couple of minutes. I don’t want to bog you down on a Sunday with reading a whole bunch of stuff. Just give you the highlights of, or in this case, lowlights of some different things that are happening at the Capitol. But you can sign up. You can follow Instagram, Facebook, all those things. And we have a whole team that works behind the scenes to keep that updated so everybody knows exactly what’s going on on a day-to-day basis.
SPEAKER 18 :
Awesome. So make sure and sign up for that newsletter and follow you on the socials to support you. So really quick, wanted to pivot to, of course, a bill that we know the Democrats are going to shoot down. So why don’t you give us an update on House Bill 26-1021? Oh, it’s a great bill.
SPEAKER 19 :
So 1021 is a bill that I was very proud to co-prime with Representative Randy Radley. She’s also another representative from Douglas County. She kind of horseshoes around my area. She has Castle Pines and then got down to the south and Larkspur. So we worked very closely together. It was a great idea. And so there’s a couple of ways of looking at this. You can look at it from the constitutionality. Right. And that’s what we’ll talk mostly about. A lot of folks said, oh, gosh, this is just a waste of time because what the bill sought to do. was take every transgression against two-way rights that the Golden Dome has passed over the last dozen years or so. And that’s about 18 different policies, and repeal them all. In one bill, just repeal everything, right? And so you look at it and you think, gosh, what a glorious waste of time, because you know that this isn’t going to pass. Now, And it did not pass. Went to the Judiciary Committee on Tuesday, and it failed on a party-line vote. But it’s the conversation there, and it’s the opportunity to say, look, this isn’t a gun debate bill. This was not a gun debate policy. The policy was about whether or not Colorado is in constitutional alignment, and we are not. That is the issue. And so if you can if you start to dig into into court decisions over the I mean, even going back generations, starting with Marbury Madison, that said the Constitution, supreme law of the land. And then more recently in 2022 with the Bruin decision, the Supreme Court decision. Bruin decision, which basically said, look, because of the Marbury-Madison saying that the Constitution is the supreme law of the land, that if you are creating laws that are in conflict with the Constitution, or if you’re creating laws that do not have, and this is in the case of Bruin and in the case of 1021, which we tried to run, very important, if it does not provide a historical analog of to the original amendment to the Constitution, then it fails. Right. And so basically that means like, let’s take high capacity magazine ban. Right. There is no historical analog to that. There is no historical context to 2A saying that the original construct of that amendment allowed for some sort of magazine ban, or even better yet, making people wait or making people that are of legal age to vote not be able to buy a gun until they’re 21 years of age or older. There is no tie. There is no original analog to that. So, as such, the bill fails. The argument came down to a couple of different court cases, and my point that I made throughout committee was that, look, if I had any… inclination whatsoever to believe that when these policies were passed or were passed underneath Bruin, because some of them predated Bruin, right? The Bruin decision. If any of these that if the policy drafter, if they sat down and said, look, we want to make sure that we’re drafting this policy within historical analog of the of the Second Amendment, then perhaps you’ve got a case because there is room within the Bruin decision for for states to be able to make sure that you’re not putting weapons in the hands of dangerous people background checks and so on so ruin’s not a blank check for the for two-way matter of fact a lot of two-way advocates will say it didn’t go far enough and they don’t particularly like ruin but still we’re operating outside of those historical contexts and a lot of these bills um Even we got some Democrats, Alan, if you believe it or not. There were three Democrats on judiciary saying that there are some bills on the list that we were trying to repeal that they would like to see repealed. So it was a good conversation to have because it did open the door to be able to go back and then work on some things in future sessions.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, and if we go back to that mint example, right, it’s one of those questions. If we’re able to erode the Second Amendment just because a political party doesn’t find it convenient, what other erosions in our other rights can we then start to find this mint plant growing weeds into, right? I mean, if the Second Amendment isn’t absolute, then is the First, is the Fourth, is even the Fifth. Can you plead the Fifth the right to not self-incriminate At what point do we start infringing on all these other rights just because some folks don’t like the Second Amendment? What other amendment are they then going to sink their teeth into?
SPEAKER 19 :
That’s exactly it. And that’s kind of the point of the Bruin decision. It’s to say, really, that amendments, they’re not absolute. Second Amendment is not absolute. First Amendment, Fourth Amendment, they’re not absolute. But You have to go to the historical context of the structure to say, look, is this a modern policy that we’re adopting out of modern convenience? And if so, if it doesn’t tie back into into the original intent and how that how that was written, then it fails. That policy fails. But you’re absolutely right. A lot of these a lot of these. ideas and policies are pernicious. And you have to understand what is the fertilizer, right, for the roots of the pernicious weed system. And a lot of that is outside policy. There are lobbyists that are bringing in, you know, ideas from California or other places, social activists, you know, that are bringing things in. And that’s what led to the creation, which we could talk for hours about the creation of this horrid bill in the Senate to legalize prostitution. That’s brought by social activist lobbies. That’s the fertilizer that really grows the root system of the pernicious nature of legislature. These aren’t necessarily being brought by legislators themselves. They’re being brought from outside groups.
SPEAKER 18 :
And a lot of the destructive nature of it is a lot of times we go back to this word intent, right? Like the intent is good. Well, the destructive nature of the bill isn’t the intent. It’s the assumptions and the principles that it adopts along the way. And, you know, a lot of our founders thought very heavily about this. They they really wanted to give us something that was able to be changed. We can amend our constitution. They knew that we would need to. We knew that there was. So they created a method to do it. They didn’t say they knew everything. But they did sit there and they did say, we know a lot and we’ve studied human nature and we know quite a bit. And when you look at the principle of why are some of these bills being created? Well, the destructive nature is the the the principle of what they bring along a lot of times is is. ignoring the true principles were founded on because of intent because we want to make people feel good because it sounds good and when things like that are brought up you’re like well the principle is we don’t believe in absolutes we don’t believe in truth we don’t believe it can be discovered and we are actually giving up our safety in order to get safety right no absolutely and then keep in mind also really what’s at the root of this too is that it’s uh
SPEAKER 19 :
There are no checks and balances in the gold dome. The math is not in Colorado’s favor. And I would say that if it were in the House specifically, 43 Republicans and 22 Democrats, that’s not good governance. That’s a lopsided balance that basically you’ve got people running around saying, we have the conch. Right? That it is Lord of the Flies and this is absolute just just free for all because there isn’t anything to stop bad policy. There isn’t anything to stop. There are 22 Republicans there in the House. We are one seat away from super minority status in the House and also in the Senate. That’s very important for people to know, because if you don’t like the policies, if you don’t like the idea, if you are appalled that the idea of legalizing prostitution is being discussed right now at the state capitol, if that bothers you, there’s only one thing you can do. And that is to make sure that every two years in the House, because we all stand for reelection every two years. You’re changing seats and you’re balancing the math so that that way it’s only the good policy that gets through based on the fact that it’s good policy, not because somebody has the mathematical equation to be able to push their junk through.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, to that end, one of the articles we were prepping for the show that producer Steve sent over was a piece in the Gazette reigning in Colorado’s runaway legislature. Mm-hmm. And the Nonpartisan Common Sense Institute noticed that legislative output has surged 56% since 2012, largely within the last five years. And while most states passed 4% fewer bills during the 2025 session, Colorado lawmakers passed 487 bills, which is 23%. percent more than the state average from 2012 to 2018 and and i found this one even more interesting so they they noted that not only is there increased volume but the complexities of the bills increased as well so it’s it’s no wonder now that colorado is now the sixth most regulated state driving businesses away. And the legislative surge has also driven ballot measures, quadrupling between 2012 and 2024, primarily measures referred by the legislature themselves. So it’s a very interesting article. Obviously, you’ve already read it, but that kind of highlights when there’s no accountability… This is what happens. It’s a very real – it’s no longer just an idea that, you know, we talk about, hey, we need checks and balances. There’s data behind it saying, yeah, when there’s no checks, wow, they’re running.
SPEAKER 19 :
Floodgates are open. And the floodgates are open to policy that’s hurting Colorado because you nailed it. Six most regulated state in the nation. That’s not something to be proud of. And there is a whole list of top tens that, you know, human trafficking – auto theft, drug use, violent crime. We’re up there with everything. The regulation is part… You had Ms. Levine on earlier talking about real estate. That regulatory nature is directly hurting businesses. When businesses flee the state, and this is another stat for you, that net migration to Colorado is way down over the last decade. Way down. Why? Because when the businesses leave, the jobs leave. When the jobs leave, the people leave. And when this state becomes as unaffordable as it is, people are going to migrate out of the state. Now, there are still people coming into the state, so it’s very important to note, the net migration is down. And that’s a factor we need to be watching because over the course of time, that’s really damaging this state.
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SPEAKER 18 :
And welcome back. I’m Alan Thomas, co-hosting the show here with former producer Steve in studio. We’re also joined by Representative Max Brooks here in studio. So make sure to visit Kim’s website, KimMonson.com, and sign up for the weekly email newsletter. You can also contact her by emailing Kim at KimMonson.com. And something that should be on your bucket list is to visit the Center for American Values located on the beautiful Riverwalk in Pueblo. The Center for American Values was co-founded by Medal of Honor recipient Drew Dix and Emmy Award winning documentary maker Brad Padula. The Center is focused on honoring our Medal of Honor recipients and teaching and upholding the principles of America, honor, integrity, and patriotism. So for more information, check out their website, AmericanValueCenter.org. Again, AmericanValueCenter.org. So Representative Brooks, we have barely even scraped the surface of everything that’s going on at the Gold Dome. But, you know, as as someone that was born and raised in Colorado, you know, we watch what happened when. When they wanted to extend certain rights, if you will, when we legalized marijuana, when we’ve slowly just started saying, hey, just let people be as they be. And one of the wolf in sheep’s clothing that just got passed now and is absolutely unbelievable as a native Coloradan is this legalizing prostitution bill that was introduced. Was that a surprise? Did you know that was… Have there been talks in years about that, or was that just something that was kind of dropped all of a sudden and caught all of us unaware?
SPEAKER 19 :
It certainly caught me unaware, and I would like to think that it caught everybody unaware, because I don’t know how you could put yourself in a headspace to think that this is actually something that we would be considering. There are things that have been rumored. For example, an armory bill, and this is a two-way thing, saying that you can have X number of any firearms. You cannot exceed this particular number. And then by class, you can have two shotguns, you can have one AR, you can have three pistols, whatever that concoction is of what they’re going to come to. That has been a rumor. That was rumored last year. It has not yet been introduced. And then that’s kind of the the other shoe waiting to drop on the throats of, uh, of two way, um, for this session has not yet been introduced. This thing comes across and, and it’s a Senate bill. Uh, it’s been introduced. So that means it’s been read across. It has a number and I’m not, I think it, I’m not going to guess at the number it’s in the nineties. It’s one of the Senate bill, um, I’d have to look because I don’t want to send somebody off in the wrong spot because there’s actually a Senate bill that I’m going to be a co-prime of that I think is only one digit off that I want to make sure that I’m not confusing anybody with because I would have nothing to do with this piece of hot garbage. But this is something that I’m really hoping. Get some attention on what’s happening online. With, again, kind of that unchecked balance that we have, that imbalance that we have at the state capitol where they think we can do anything we want. We can pass anything we want because we have the math to do so. If you’re listening right now and you don’t already know that we are considering at the Gold Dome a – a law to pass the legalization of prostitution, it’s something that you need to be aware of. It’s something that you need to track. Now, I’m not lighting my hair on fire quite yet in the House because I am very hopeful that this will get knocked down in the Senate. It has not yet been assigned a committee date. So not passed yet. It has to go through the process, has to go through the committee process, and it has to be heard on seconds and thirds on the Senate floor. So I’m hoping that it gets knocked down in committee or that it dies the death that it deserves, at least on seconds or thirds on the Senate floor. If it gets out of the Senate, then folks… Hold the Democrats’ beer, because they’re coming hard. It’s hard to stop anything in the House. But basically, just to summarize for those of you who don’t know, it legalizes prostitution at the state level, and it classifies it as a matter of statewide concern. Now, why is that little clause important? Because that then, if you pass that clause, it supersedes the constitutional home rule authority that municipalities have, right? So you have counties that some counties are home rule. Most of the time, those counties are statutorily home rule. But the municipalities, the cities have constitutional Colorado constitutional home rule authority. The only time that they cannot flex their home rule authority is if it is a matter of statewide concern. So I’m going to take my community, Castle Rock, and just use that as an example. That means that in a town, in a county where strip clubs are not allowed, where weed shops are not allowed, now, because it’s a matter of statewide concern, prostitution would be allowed and there’s nothing we could do about it, including advertising. You can’t ban the advertising of these things. It’s almost like a red light district in Amsterdam. But now in all of these little communities that you would consider to be good, safe family communities. Well, keep your eye on this one.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, you know, it’s not necessarily that it’s a conspiracy, but the fact that they voted down mandatory child sex trafficking on the same week is a bad look, to put it mildly.
SPEAKER 19 :
It is a bad look. And there have been state legislators, one that was voted out. This last cycle and is trying to come back in that have said that they want to lower the age of consent. So you start putting all of this into a spreadsheet with crayon because anybody can figure out how this is going to end up.
SPEAKER 01 :
Right.
SPEAKER 19 :
That that you you legalize prostitution. You start lowering the age of consent. Right. I do not understand the direction in which we’re heading. And again, it’s so vitally important to understand that the only way to change these things is by your vote. You have to get involved. I understand. Look, it’s it’s it’s it’s. 2026, it’s midterms, right? It’s not going to be the big heavyweight. Everybody loves to vote on the heavyweights, right? So that’ll be 28. In 26, it’s midterms. And in midterms, typically, the vote results, the voter participation is down a little bit. get involved, make sure that you’re voting to be able to change the math. Let’s flip some seats. There are three or four seats that the Republicans can flip back in the House from Democrats. That will help because what that does, it’s not just like, okay, we have better numbers. It means that we can actually have better numbers in committee. And when we have better numbers in committee and we’re not facing like, A 9-4 committee, a 7-4 committee. Now we have a better balance to where we can have good discussions and perhaps knock down some of this policy and committee before it even gets to the floor.
SPEAKER 18 :
Well, and with that, Protect Kids Colorado is running some ballot propositions.
SPEAKER 19 :
And they got their signatures.
SPEAKER 18 :
They got their signatures. Oh, very good. I didn’t hear that update. So that’s fantastic news. So with that, educate your friends and family. I mean, we need to show not only what Democrats are voting for and proposing, prostitution. They’ve taken a stance against mandatory sentencing for minors. But now we actually have… a ballot proposition that we can link it to and say, Hey, if you’re for this ballot proposition, you should probably be opposed to your democratic legislator who is proposing the exact opposite. Right. And, and these are 80, 20 issues here, like not mutilating minors, you know, Hey, if, if they’re going after our kids, we should lock them up for a long time. Pretty common sense stuff here. And luckily we can link it to them. So make sure and draw the, do you know the sponsors of the prostitution bill off the,
SPEAKER 19 :
I do. In the Senate, it’s Senators Henriksen and Cutter. And then in the House, it is House Representative Lorena Garcia and Rebecca Stewart. So that’s… In the House, Arapahoe County, Jefferson County, and then Hendrickson and Cutter, I’m unfamiliar with their districts. But those are the sponsors there, and I’m sure they’re receiving, rightfully, a lot of heat. Now, again, it hasn’t been assigned yet to a committee because I think they’re still kind of trying to work on some things, which might mean that they understand that this is on a collision course with death, which I hope is, again, I hope is the case. The point I want to get across, and I know we’re running out of time. We’ve just got a couple minutes, yeah, so let’s button it up. At this point, what are we talking about if it passes or not? If this dies, if my phone lights up right now and I hear that this idea has been spiked and the sponsors are pulling it, That doesn’t matter anymore because we’ve crossed a threshold to where this was introduced. And we’ve got to wake up and understand what is being introduced and what the thought process is or the lack of sensible thought is in the Capitol and understand how we as voters change it. If you don’t like what you’re seeing, if you don’t like these ideas, it doesn’t matter if they pass or not, because guess what? It’s going to come back in one form or another. Change it through your vote.
SPEAKER 18 :
Very true. And they can support you at Max Brooks for Colorado. Yes, sir. F.O.R. F.O.R. And make sure and contribute. He’s running for reelection. So thank you so much for joining us. Representative Brooks and producer Steve, as always, the hour goes quick, doesn’t it? Sure does.
SPEAKER 04 :
Fun being in studio is very enlightening and educational with Representative Brooks here.
SPEAKER 18 :
So my head hurts. In a good way, in a good way, right? So thought it was very fitting with our state capitol. Turn again to our founding fathers, James Madison and Federalist 47 said the following, that it is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers, but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of of the other part. So felt pretty apropos to what’s going on. We need to guard ourselves against the rulers and each other. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. You are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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Talking about.
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