Call to Freedom Classic: Stories of Struggles and Triumph

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Welcome to Call to Freedom with Barbara Carmack. This is Jimmy Lakey, and I’m delighted that you are joining us for this half hour. You can reach Call to Freedom at Box 370367, Denver, Colorado, 80237, or by going to the website at www.freedomstreet.org. If you want to leave a message or order a Word Power Daily Reading Bible Guide or a Freedom Street Express newsletter, you can call us toll free at 1-877-917-7256 and leave your name and address, including your zip code. If you want to talk to Barbara right now, she is expecting your call. You may call that same toll-free number, 1-877-917-7256 to speak to her. And now, let’s join Barbara in the studio.

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On this Encore show, Darren and I take phone calls for most of the half hour. Darren explains that God is involved in everything you do as a believer. Christine calls in and wants prayer for her husband, but Darren focuses in on Christine’s issues. He advises her to give her husband the position that God has given him as head and spiritual covering for his family. A caller from Wyoming asked that God would take a critical spirit that has plagued her family for generations. Darren prays a prayer of cleansing and release for her against the curse of the generations, unforgiveness and bitterness, and asks Holy Spirit to replace that with forgiveness, joy and peace. Now let’s join the program.

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And you may call us at 1-866-917-7256. Let’s go to line one. Christine in Aurora, Colorado. How are you?

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I’m fine. Thank you. How are you?

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Wonderful. Having a super day.

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I just have a prayer request. Well, we’re in the process of… It seems probably small to some people, but, you know, the prayer request is just that the housing situation that we have in refinancing or purchasing a new home and that we have wisdom knowing what to do. And I think it’s probably more important than that. I think it’s the Holy Spirit. Because he does not, he’s a Christian, but he does not currently have that. And I think that’s why we have the problems that we’re currently going through right now. And I just pray regarding that also.

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You know, Christine, let me say something to you here. You know, if it concerns you, it concerns the Lord. He cares. He cares about your house. He cares about the market we’re in. He cares about refinancing. He cares about the interest rate. He cares about the whole nine yards.

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He cares about your relationship with your husband.

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Sure does.

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And I don’t want to override him either because he’s trying to make it my decision. Your husband is trying to make it your decision? Yes. What’s he doing that for?

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Because he doesn’t want to move, and yet it seems like we should, and I’m in a quandary, and I’m not sure now if we should, and I don’t want to go against him. I don’t want to make my own decision in the matter.

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Why do you think that you should move?

SPEAKER 05 : 3:19

Well, because of the interest rates, and we’d like to… Excuse me, we’d like to have a better school system for our daughter anyway.

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Does he want that too?

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He doesn’t seem to care because he works very hard and he doesn’t really…

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tend to those kind of matters as much as i do you know what i think i do i think i would submit to your husband say to him and you get it down so you can crystallize it and i’d say now you know i’m not going to make the decision you are head of this house you’re head of this marriage and i’m saying now what you’re doing is you’re putting it back on him and then see he’s responsible to the lord because he holds that office in your household So don’t get caught up with him vacating his position and letting you make the decision. Now you might say, you already know how I feel about this, honey, or whatever you call him, but I’m going to go with what you decide. If you don’t decide to do anything, we’ll sit here. What’s your interest rate right now?

SPEAKER 05 : 4:20

Our interest rate is currently six and three quarters because we did refinance last year. Oh, okay. But we took some equity out to pay off some bills so we wouldn’t be in debt that much. We didn’t take that much out. We still have, you know. a decent amount of equity to get back into something.

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Well, you know something, Christine? There are Christians in your school system, and there are Christians in your neighborhood. And I agree with Darren wholeheartedly. If there’s confusion, you go with your say, you know, honey, you just do what you have decided upon, and I will give in to that. And, you know, you’re young. Are you young?

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Well, I’m entering into middle age. I just turned 40, so it’s a crossover.

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Oh, okay.

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You’re still young. And, you know, I believe that as you allow your husband to see that you really trust him and respect him, I believe, Christine, the spiritual will come along as he realizes that you love him and you respect him and you’re willing to stay there for a while. And six and three quarters is not bad. And don’t let the enemy start telling you that you’re losing it.

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Well, the only thing is that he wants to refinance. and get five and three quarters and go through the whole process of just refinancing. And that’s what started making me think, well, maybe we should just move.

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Well, what’s it going to cost to refinance?

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It’s going to cost $3,000 to $4,000. You don’t do that. Well, he wants to, and that’s what he’s leaning toward, and he’s going to do that.

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But wait a minute. There are loans that you can get where it doesn’t cost you anything to refinance.

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That’s right. And your husband doesn’t want to lose $3,000 or $4,000. He’s working hard. I know.

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It confuses me as to why he wants to… We just went through a refinance on our house, and we got it refinanced for, I think we went from 6.5% to 6%. Dropped our payment almost $100 a month. And it didn’t cost us, I think maybe it was $300 it cost us to refinance.

SPEAKER 04 : 6:13

It only cost you like $300? Yes. There are those things out there. And I believe if you talk to him and you say there’s refinancing out there for $300, and if you leave your number at the 186 number or even here with Jeff, we can call you back and give you a number of a man that can refinance. Yes, I would.

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Okay. Let me tell you something else, too, Christine. I’m not a financial advisor, but I can tell you this. If you put the numbers to it and you put out $4,000 to try to go from 6.75 to 6% or 5.75, it takes you a long time to make up that $4,000. It does.

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Exactly. It does.

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And sometimes you’re better off just to hold on and pay the 6.75. Well, let’s pray. Okay, thank you. Father God, I just pray and ask that you would give Christine a revelation of submitting to her husband’s covering. And Lord, take any and all disagreement out of their marriage. And, Lord, I believe by her doing that, it’s going to be an awesome doorway open for you, Lord, to work directly on the husband.

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Thank you in Jesus’ name. Yes, thank you, Lord. Amen. I agree with that. And I know that God can work in those situations so beautifully. And just, you know, cast all that care on him, Christine. I feel that oppression on you. Just cast it on him. Cast it on him. He’s big enough to take it. And you were created to handle all that worry and concern. And you know what? If you made a mistake down the road here, Darren and I have made many mistakes. We made them in our 50s. Really? But God will undo that. Darren’s right. Your husband’s spirituality is the most important here. And as you submit to him, he’s going to respect and love you more.

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Will you hold on? Yeah, leave your number here. You know God’s going to take care of you.

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I expect him to.

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You can trust him. All right, let’s go to line two. Dana in Wyoming, how are you?

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Hi, how are you?

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Wonderful.

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Good. I just want to thank you, first off, for everything that you guys do. All I’ve learned from you has probably saved my life and my marriage, and it’s helped so much.

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Wow. Are you driving your car?

SPEAKER 06 : 8:16

No, I’m not. I’m on a cordless phone.

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Oh, okay.

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Where are you in Wyoming? Could I not say? That’s fine. Oh, sure. I’m sorry. There’s a… Friends of ours that are listening and friends of my husband’s and mine, and I’d rather not.

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What if they recognize your voice?

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Well, okay. That’s all right.

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That’s okay. That’s all right.

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Wyoming’s a big place.

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That’s right.

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A lot of antelope in Wyoming, you know, you can hide.

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Yeah. Well, thank you, Dana.

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Thank you for your comments.

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You all probably know me by another name. I know you would know who I was and where I’m at, but I’m using my real first name and not my middle name.

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Doesn’t matter.

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That’s fine.

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God knows where you are.

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Yes, he appreciates that. Do you have a prayer request?

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Yes. Yeah, I have a prayer request. Okay. And I feel kind of foolish about it because I know how to identify these things and come against them. And you’ve taught me so much. But there’s just certain areas where I need help. I can’t do it alone. And I need some reinforcements. I need people who are knowledgeable of this.

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But, see, we’re in the same boat. See, we have to have other people pray with us, too.

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Yeah.

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You know, one I really lean on is our daughter in Tulsa. I call Kimberly… She’s half my age, and I say, Kim Jo, I call her Angel. I need some prayer. Can I share something with you? She can handle it, and it really managed to see. Although I know a lot of process, I can’t always handle it on my own. So what do you need?

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I’m just wondering if you could, for me, pray for a critical spirit. I’ve just not… I’ve been equipped and empowered to do this, but boy, something’s blocking it out.

SPEAKER 07 : 9:48

You want a critical spirit or you don’t want it?

SPEAKER 06 : 9:51

No. My father had one, and I know how it felt. I grew up with it, and it’s awful. And I have a very critical spirit just towards my husband. There’s a lot of hurt and anger there, and that’s another one. Just fear and rejection.

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So when do you want to do this?

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Now. Now?

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All right. Are you ready?

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Sure.

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Hang on. Now, when this spirit leaves you, you’re going to feel it. You’re going to know it, even physically, because it’s a big, big thing. Father God, this stronghold, which is what it is, it’s been in our friend’s life. Lord, she wants to get rid of it. And today, I say you’re reaching down in her heart, taking away the critical spirit, jealousy, manipulation, hostility, unforgiveness, bitterness. The whole package. And, Lord, you’re cutting off this curse of the generations that came down through the family bloodline. And, Lord, you can take it. And I see you taking that right out of her.

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Right now.

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In Jesus’ name.

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In Jesus’ name.

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I’m going to tell you something. In the spirit, I saw you lift right off the floor. I mean, this thing was big in your life.

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Mm-hmm. There were roots. There were tentacles there around you. And God has taken that from you. Do you believe that? Yes, I do. Okay. Praise God. Thank you. Where to agree is touching anything on earth, it shall be done for them of my Father who is in heaven.

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Now, Father God, in that place that’s left there, I ask you to put in love and consideration and kindness and respect and joy. She needs joy. This thing has robbed her of joy in the past, and it’s robbed her of energy. Thank you. Thank you, Jesus. You do the whole deal. Amen.

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Thank you, Jesus. Thank you. Would you leave your name and address, and I’ll send you a tape series. Okay. Which one? I might have it. The forgiveness? No, I don’t have that. Okay. All right.

SPEAKER 06 : 11:31

We’ll send that to you, all right? You hold on. Okay. Could I ask you to pray for something for my husband?

SPEAKER 03 : 11:36

Sure.

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Sure. for several things, well, a few things. A fear of man, and that’s causing a lot of stress in our marriage and, you know, in our family. The pride of life that keeps him from repenting, you know, confessing and repenting his sin. And the one that has in the past hurt our marriage so much is the spirit of apathy. And we’ve talked about this with our pastor, and… It hasn’t gotten much better, and he claims he doesn’t even know what that means. But we did talk about it several times. Okay, does he go to church with you?

SPEAKER 04 : 12:16

Yes. Okay, good. Do you go to a spirit-filled church? Yes, and it’s getting more and more so all the time.

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Well, good.

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Let me say this to you. At some point in the past, it probably came through an authority figure. I think it probably came through his father. But he was wounded and intimidated.

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Very much so by both parents.

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Okay. So he has retreated like into a cave. And he said, I feel safe in here. If I don’t venture out, I won’t get hurt again. Yes. So I’m going to pray for him right now. Are you ready?

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Yes.

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Father God, I ask you to go back in time. And you’re the master of the past, the present, the future, the three phases of time that we all endure. And I’m asking you, Lord, to lift the bruise off of his heart. And to lift the wound off of there and the condemnation in his parents’ eyes and in their voice print and in the way they treated him. And Father, I ask you to spring him free from intimidation, from unworthiness, from apathy, from fear, from fear of criticism. And he has a great big fear, a fear of rejection. And, Lord, I thank you that you’re setting this man free through his wife’s prayers and through our prayers and our agreement with her. Lord, make this man strong. Increase the power of his grip on life. Thank you, Jesus, you do that today. And I thank you for this wife. Lord, I don’t sense that she’s criticizing her husband. She’s frustrated. And I thank you that today you’re beginning a work in that marriage.

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And also, what I would do here, now you have some options here. You can anoint his bed. You can anoint a hanky and put it into his pillow. You can pray over it. You can bless him every day. You can even give an offering to your church on behalf of your husband without anybody knowing it. But you can do that on your own. And your love is going to spring your husband free. I really believe that.

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And edify him.

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Yes. Even though he’s wrong, God’s going to take care of you. Do you know that? Yes, I do. Yeah, just love him. Just love him right out of it. God bless you. You too.

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Okay, God bless you.

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And leave your name and address so I can send you a tape series. God bless you too.

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Remember this. Jesus loves you more than you love your husband. Okay.

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Hold on.

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All right, let’s go to Oregon right now. I believe if I’m reading this right, it’s Joan.

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Joanne?

SPEAKER 07 : 14:34

Is it Joanne or Joan?

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Joanne. Joanne, okay.

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Thank you for calling.

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How are you doing? God bless you. And you called the other day, and I’m sorry we didn’t have time to talk to you the other day, so I’m glad you called back.

SPEAKER 02 : 14:44

Yeah, good. I barely can hear you. Okay. That’s better. Yeah, I wanted you all to pray with my daughter. I’ll tell you about it in the…

SPEAKER 07 : 14:57

Institution?

SPEAKER 02 : 14:58

Yeah.

SPEAKER 07 : 14:58

Yeah, she’s down there for a mental thing, right?

SPEAKER 02 : 15:00

Yeah.

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I prayed for you when we were in Portland, didn’t I?

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Yes, and she’s taking it hard. In other words, she’s doing a lot better than she was at first. After her mother passed, they took her from me. Sure. Okay, here’s what I want to do. What do you want? What I want you to do, is it possible that I could three-way you down to her so you can pray directly to her?

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Do you have three-way calling?

SPEAKER 02 : 15:23

Yes.

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Well, I would try that.

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Okay, hold on.

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What’s her name?

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Say what?

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Say it again.

SPEAKER 02 : 15:28

Say what?

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Okay.

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Okay, hold on.

SPEAKER 07 : 15:33

All right, we’ll wait here. I’ve done a few three-ways, but never one live on the air. It’s going to be interesting. This woman must know more about phone systems than I do because we’ve got that at our house. Do you know that, Barbara? We could hook all our kids up. I don’t know how to do it.

SPEAKER 03 : 15:46

You don’t? I don’t know how to do it.

SPEAKER 07 : 15:49

I have to call them all individually and say he’s there.

SPEAKER 04 : 15:51

Well, I hope she comes back on. Call your sister.

SPEAKER 07 : 15:54

Call your brother. You know something? I’ve seen God do some wonderful things when I’ve been waiting for people. You know, I think about one lady that was having a breathing disorder and a speech disorder, and I said, now, listen, you go get a cup of water, and I’ll come back, and I prayed for us. Hello, are you there?

SPEAKER 02 : 16:09

Yeah, she didn’t answer. I hope they’ve got it.

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Okay.

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Okay.

SPEAKER 07 : 16:14

All right. Well, listen, I prayed for your daughter when I was in Portland. I’m going to praise the Lord that God heard that prayer, okay?

SPEAKER 03 : 16:21

Yes. All right.

SPEAKER 07 : 16:21

Well, somehow she cut us all off, so that’s all right. We’ll go on to our next call in line two here. No line. Okay. I guess we don’t have any calls waiting. Well, I praise the Lord. God is doing some marvelous, marvelous things, Barbara.

SPEAKER 04 : 16:36

He really is. And Darren, I’ve got to get through with Job. I just got to. And yesterday we were talking in Job 41 about how God talks about even detailing the crocodile. And here he’s describing the crocodile and everything about the crocodile here. He knows the very, very minutest thing about you. He really does. He cares for you. And as you cast all your care upon him, he’s going to take care of you. I mean, you either believe God or you don’t believe God. And this is what Job 41 is all about. Well, in Job 42, Job… He sees what was wrong. He was dwelling on himself rather than on God. And some of you are dwelling on your own situations rather than on the power of God. And Job said, instruct me, Lord. And he repented. And do you know what God did for him? It came about after the Lord had spoken these words to Job that the Lord said to Eliphaz, the Temanite, My anger is kindled against you and your two friends because you’ve not spoken of me what is right as my servant Job has. Now, therefore, take for yourselves seven bulls and seven rams and go to my servant Job and offer an offering. Now, some of you have never done that. You have a bad situation in your life. You have never offered an offering for that. And God is serious about this. He’s the same God now today in your life as he was back then. He said, now offer an offering unto me. If you’re serious, give an offering. Give some enough substance to your church. And here he did. There were burned offerings. And Darren Job prayed forgiveness for his friends. And he said, I will accept him that I may not do with you according to your wrong. And God knew that these three friends had been wrong. So Job prayed for them. And the Lord accepted Job’s prayer, and the Lord restored the fortunes of Job when he prayed for his friends, and the Lord increased all that Job had twofold. Now, Job had to do four things here. He had to listen to God. He said, God, instruct me. He humbled himself before God and said, God, teach me. I’m not greater than you are, God. You’re the great one. Then he repented of anything that was wrong, if there’s any sin. Then he prayed for his friends who had brought an offering to him, a prayer of forgiveness. And therein God restored to him twofold. Praise God.

SPEAKER 07 : 18:55

I think that’s awesome. That’s an awesome teaching of the book of Job. And many times the teachers and ministers of gospel focus on what Job did back here that supposedly was wrong. And yet Job declared his righteousness. He said, listen, I’m okay with God. I’m okay. And he had to tell his friends. And some of you out there are buying the lying report from some of your friends who have their minds made up that you’re wrong, that you’re out of pocket, you’re out of sync, there’s something wrong with your life. And all of us have people like that. And I don’t call them friends. I call them acquaintances. I mean, they may be in tight with you. And you’ve heard me say this before, but some of you need to download some of those friends. You need to put them on another page.

SPEAKER 04 : 19:33

And also, we’re talking about offering here, Darren. And in the 11th verse of chapter 42 of Job, Then all of Job’s brothers and all his sisters and all who had known him before came to him, and they ate bread with him in his house. And they consoled him and comforted him from all the evil. Now, it says the Lord had brought on him, but that had been allowed upon him from the devil. Now, some of these translations do not remember that it was the devil that came to the Lord, and the devil put all this on him. And each one gave him one piece of money and a ring of gold. Now, Darren, when we see somebody who is growing in the Lord, who is practicing the kingdom principles, It is good to give to our brothers and sisters who are ministers in the gospel of Jesus Christ. And Job had come through so much. And look what he did in the book of Job. He gave us a whole book. And they gave him money and they gave him rings. And those are offerings. And God blessed the latter days of Job more than his beginning. Oh, praise God. He can bless you today.

SPEAKER 07 : 20:33

You like the book of Job, don’t you?

SPEAKER 04 : 20:34

I do.

SPEAKER 02 : 20:35

I do.

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Okay, let’s go. We got Joanne back on the line. Let’s take it. Joanne, how are you?

SPEAKER 02 : 20:40

Oh, I’m doing pretty good.

SPEAKER 07 : 20:43

Listen, let me tell you what. I prayed for your daughter when I was in Portland. So you need to praise God that he’s heard our prayer and trust him. You’ve got to trust him because you’ve got a mess on your hands, so you’ve got to trust the Lord.

SPEAKER 02 : 20:55

Yes. So I want to let y’all know and pray that the Lord will let us start sleeping at night.

SPEAKER 07 : 21:02

Okay.

SPEAKER 02 : 21:02

Because she don’t sleep well at night.

SPEAKER 07 : 21:04

Okay. So you’ve got to talk to her about fear. She’s got to give up her fears.

SPEAKER 02 : 21:09

All right. And also she wants you all to pray that they won’t send her to Colorado Springs. Okay. She wants to come home.

SPEAKER 07 : 21:17

Well, I can’t pray that prayer because I’ll tell you what. God may have an answer for her in Colorado Springs.

SPEAKER 04 : 21:22

I know.

SPEAKER 07 : 21:23

And see, you’ve got to trust the Lord. Say, Lord, I don’t know where you’re going to send this girl, but you know more than I do, and I just want your perfect will. And, you know, sometimes we want our family to be so close to us, but sometimes they need some time away from us. And that may be what it takes for God to get her attention.

SPEAKER 04 : 21:39

Yes. Do you remember Joseph, Joanne? Yes. He was in prison for 13 years. Yes. Okay. And so you tell God, God, your perfect will for my daughter. As you pray that prayer, God’s going to work it out.

SPEAKER 02 : 21:53

All right. Okay. If she says she doesn’t turn her life to God, you know enough.

SPEAKER 07 : 21:56

She has or hasn’t? She’s been singing and praying. She has been praying?

SPEAKER 02 : 22:00

Yes, she’s been singing and praying.

SPEAKER 04 : 22:02

Well, good. And maybe she’ll grow more and more.

SPEAKER 07 : 22:04

Let me tell you, I know a judge. He was a circuit court judge. He may have been promoted by now to another level. But he shared with me one time in an interview, and I had him on the air, and he said, now this is a judge right there in your state. He said, sometimes I send people to prison to break a cycle, to break a habit, to get them away from old friends.

SPEAKER 03 : 22:24

Yes.

SPEAKER 07 : 22:24

Somehow I think that’s true with your daughter. She needs to make new friends. She needs to give up some of her old ways because she’s been in a mess.

SPEAKER 02 : 22:31

Yeah, because she’s 14 years old.

SPEAKER 07 : 22:35

Okay. Well, I address the Lord. You know how I pray? Mom, there’s the way I pray. Lord Jesus, I ask you for your perfect will for my daughter. Perfect will. Whatever that means, they send her to Colorado Springs or they send her someplace else. See, there’s a lot of godly people in Colorado Springs. Well, God knows more what’s best for your daughter than you do, than I do. And sure, she misses home, but there’s a reason why she’s been allowed to go to this facility. So you trust the Lord now, Mom. You’ve got to stay out of fear.

SPEAKER 02 : 23:05

All right, then.

SPEAKER 07 : 23:05

Now, were those your grandbabies you had there with you?

SPEAKER 02 : 23:08

Yes.

SPEAKER 07 : 23:08

The twins?

SPEAKER 02 : 23:09

And also, that’s my granddaughter I was talking about now, too. Okay.

SPEAKER 07 : 23:13

Okay.

SPEAKER 02 : 23:14

Yeah, so with the two little ones, the one on the front of the street, that’s my grandchild.

SPEAKER 07 : 23:18

Oh, well, they’re beautiful kids. I love them.

SPEAKER 02 : 23:20

Well, thank you. And I appreciate y’all, you know, praying.

SPEAKER 07 : 23:22

All right, Mom, we’ll do it.

SPEAKER 02 : 23:23

All right, God bless you.

SPEAKER 07 : 23:24

We’ll keep doing it, okay?

SPEAKER 02 : 23:25

All right.

SPEAKER 07 : 23:26

When I think of it, I’ll pray for you. Okay, I think we got that straight. You know, folks, I think about what my friend there in the state of Oregon told me. He’s a marvelous, marvelous, spirit-filled judge. But he said sometimes, Darren, I’d have to send them up the river, so to speak. to get them away from old habit patterns, to get them away from old friends, to break that cycle so they can have a chance to start over. So prison isn’t always bad. You know, some of these lockups here, that’s where people find God, really find him.

SPEAKER 03 : 23:55

Yes, that’s right.

SPEAKER 07 : 23:56

Because they don’t have their old dopey friends running around, you know, telling them what to do and pulling them down in the hole.

SPEAKER 04 : 24:01

I know. Some family situations are just horrible, deplorable. And without men, you know, as a covering, some of these women do not know how to live. And God made the man and woman so the man would be the covering over the woman. And these women keep having children and no man in the family. And I don’t understand that, Karen. I just do not understand that.

SPEAKER 07 : 24:22

It’s a matter of genetics.

SPEAKER 04 : 24:23

It’s a matter. I guess it’s called S-E-X, and we just can’t handle that for some reason. But every situation where there are children, there should be a man and a woman over every situation, and there isn’t. So the world is being turned upside down. But I’ll tell you, God is still on the throne. Like Southwest Church says, Brother Hutchings, he says, God is still on the throne, and prayer changes things. And I believe that with all my heart, I do.

SPEAKER 07 : 24:52

Well, you know, I think that I would say this to some of the single mothers that are listening in our audience. If you don’t have a husband and you don’t have that male spiritual covering that you need in your household, I would try to find a church where there’s a trusted pastor, and I would humble myself to him and ask the Lord God to make that your temporary spiritual covering and or the leadership in that church, maybe some elders in that church. And I’d check them out, make sure, you know, and then I’d listen to them. And when you have a heavy duty decision, go to them. Don’t try to do it on your own. Now, let me tell you, as the Bible says, there is great help in a multitude of counselors. And some of you are trying to make financial decisions. You’re trying to buy a car, buy a house, do something, or buy a townhome. You need them to look over the paperwork.

SPEAKER 04 : 25:42

Well, and what grieves us, Darren, is that people call us after the thing has been done, after the fact. No, it’s not after the fact. I got in the mess. No, no, wait a minute.

SPEAKER 07 : 25:49

It’s not after the fact. It’s after the wreck.

SPEAKER 04 : 25:53

I got in this situation. Now help me. And, you know, they didn’t call us when they needed to make a decision that we could pray about the decision they needed to make. They made that decision on their own, and it was a wreck. And then they call and say, now get me out of this mess. And, boy, that’s hard.

SPEAKER 07 : 26:09

Now, in the legal community, that’s called doing your due diligence.

SPEAKER 04 : 26:12

Yes.

SPEAKER 07 : 26:12

In other words, get the facts. And you say, oh, if I’d have known that. Well, you know why you didn’t know that? You did not ask enough questions of the right people. And there are people that have wisdom, and they can help you. And you don’t have to keep wiring into the buzzsaw and doing the same dumb type of things over and over. I mean, if you look back over your life, say, how have my decisions been? Well, some of us have made lousy decisions. I’ll tell you, folks, I’ve been there a couple times in my life and did stupid things. Well, I didn’t seek counsel. I went and I, you know, my personality, I want to jump right in and make a decision. Now quit nodding your head. Yes. Okay. But see, now you look back and you say, oh, if I would have just asked one more question, if I would have just read another book, if I would have just read the instruction manual. By the way, that’s the Bible. Okay. Hey, folks, we’ve been preaching a little bit here today. We’ll see you tomorrow, and we love you.

SPEAKER 04 : 27:03

I hope that you have enjoyed the program and received insight from the teaching, phone calls, and prayers Darren prayed. As in the case of Job’s friends who brought an offering to Job, when you have a challenge facing you or when you need to bring a situation into your life to closure, we encourage you to bring an offering to the Lord. That kind of obedience will get God’s attention. Thank you for listening and until the next time on Call to Freedom, God bless you and keep you.

SPEAKER 01 : 27:28

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