In a candid discussion, Jeff Allen opens up about his spiritual quest that led him to Christianity. With patience and perseverance, he navigated through life’s ups and downs, using faith as a guiding light. Angie and Jeff delve into the themes of his book, ‘Are We There Yet?’ to explore the existential questions that many face and how to find peace and purpose amidst life’s uncertainties.
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Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now with The Good News, here’s Angie.
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Hey there, friend. Angie Austin here with the good news, talking to Jeff Allen. And he is in the midst of his Are We There Yet comedy tour. And he was on our good friend Rachel Main’s show recently. And that’s how I became acquainted with him. Welcome, Jeff.
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Hey, thanks for having me.
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Rachel is like the, you know, like, you know, Disney and like birds landing on your shoulder and like birds singing and all the animals gathering on your lap. That’s Rachel.
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Oh, OK.
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That’s a nice description.
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She seemed nice. Yeah, she and I have been friends for 20 some odd years. She was in TV news with me. She was my floor director when I anchored and did weather. And so we were prayer partners and, you know, hung out together before the show at, you know, 4 or 15 in the morning or whatever.
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All right, cool. Wow, wow. Yeah, you need friends at 4 or 15 in the morning.
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Boy, do you. And most of them don’t want to speak to you then. You know, when you come in on a morning show, no one says good morning.
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No, I married a morning person. I don’t work until 7, 8 o’clock at night, so this will shock people, but I’m really not awake at 7.38 when I wake up. Oh, gosh. We have a nice ritual. She’s been sitting at her computer for a couple hours. I walk over. I kiss her on the cheek. I say, good morning. And that’s the only conversation we have for at least 30 minutes.
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That’s it. Yes, that was the morning show to a T. That’s funny. All right, so tell us about you, Jeff. I know you do clean comedy. And I interviewed another comedian years ago, Michael Jr., and he also does clean comedy. And I’m like, you know, it’s more difficult to do clean comedy because you don’t get the easy laugh of all the foul language. Oh, that was so funny. He said the F word that made me laugh. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But it’s more difficult, I think, to do clean comedy.
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Well, I don’t know. I just know it works for me. It’s funny because I came to my faith probably a couple years after I started trying to clean everything up. We got called to school. And our fourth grade son cussed at his teacher. And it’s not a nice conversation to have as a parent. But driving home, my wife said, you know, that’s a reflection on us. We need to clean up our stuff at home. I told the teacher, I’d love to look you in the eye. And with all seriousness, I have no idea where the child heard that kind of language. But we were pretty loose at home. And so I started cleaning it up. And I found it made me much better at what I do. I’m a storyteller. And when you’re forced to use the dictionary and the thesaurus to paint the same picture, you’re right. The cuss word is the shortcut to the laugh. But if you can learn to work around it and use the language, it actually creates, to me, it creates a persona or a personality or a. A better description. People have a much better description of my wife. That’s why she doesn’t like to be out in public, because she said I’ll shatter their illusions of what you what you’ve said about me. So it made me much better at what I do. But it is a lot more challenging and fun to work that way, I think.
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All right, so let’s talk a little bit about you and your background, getting into comedy and then the faith aspect.
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Yeah. Well, I got married at 30, I think I was. She was 25, so 30. And I got sober at 31. I realized I couldn’t continue to stay married. And I married a woman who had a two-year-old. And then she got pregnant probably a month before the wedding, which is… added to the stress factor i always love when i would run into young couples and they go we’re not doing too well maritally we think if we had a kid if we had a child maybe that’ll bond us yeah let’s let’s raise the stress factor by about 400 percent and that’ll make you guys so much closer yes yeah oh yeah i went from i went from single and traveling 50 weeks a year just doing night clubs uh 50 weeks a year to uh married and two kids under the age of three um in, uh, in a year. And, um, so anyway, about a year later, everything, you know, something had to give. And, uh, I decided to go into a 12 step program and get sober. And they told me to pray. And I said to what, I certainly didn’t believe in God. And, um, anyway, they said, we’ll find something. And that really is the crux of the half. First half of my book, um, was that seven or eight year search for meaning and a point, um, to life in general, you know. I started with self-help, and that left me kind of empty and pointless, and went to New Age, and I went to Buddhism, and I ended up on philosophy at one point. I think when I met the man that gave me the Bible, I was reading Ayn Rand. And I’ve always said if I wasn’t a Bible-believing Christian, I’d probably be an Ayn Rand objectivist. At least she dealt with a worldview that you could at least reason your way through. But in the end, when you look at her writings, there weren’t a lot of children in it. There weren’t a lot of colors. It was just kind of black and white and grays, where Christianity offered me answers to everything, origin, meaning, morality, destiny. And it allowed me to experience joy on a deep level that I never knew I could. But anyway, that’s a synopsis of about eight years of my life.
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You know, it’s interesting because, you know, a lot of people come to Christianity, you know, through whatever their family or like a much shorter path. It’s interesting to me when someone does that much in-depth research. It reminds me of the author, The Case for Christ. Oh, yeah.
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really struggle.
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Yes. Yes. Like, you know, that like, I’m going to prove this wrong and do all this research, but then I actually prove it right and become a believer. And you kind of were finding like, okay, I really need this. I’m going to quit drinking. I need to get my life on the right track. So I’m going to do a lot of research to find like what might work for me. And then through all of that research, stumble across Christianity and like, Oh, well maybe this is it. But I admire like the journey. I remember my father saying to me once, because I, He knew I was a Christian and we’d been estranged for like 35 years. I grew up in a family that was, he was an alcoholic and he was, you know, abused my mom. My brothers were on drugs. One of them was murdered. The other one’s homeless. Now he’s in some psychiatric facility. But I had a brother that graduated near the top of his class at West Point Military Academy who wasn’t drinking and wasn’t using drugs. And I’m like, oh, wait, you know, that actually, that looks like a better path for me. Like, okay.
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There might be a direct correlation, you know.
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Yeah.
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It’s over 36 years.
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Yes, yes, that could work.
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I haven’t been arrested 36 years.
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Yeah, that’s awesome. Yes. And so, yeah, so I thought, oh, well, that might work for me. And then I was in foster care and, you know, and stayed on friends’ couches and relatives. I think I went into foster care at like, or with an aunt, maybe at 12, and then foster care at 15. And so I got, they took me to church. And so, you know, that’s kind of how I came across it. And it was so beautiful for me. No research, just like this gift that fell on my lap. So when I said to my father, this 35 years of a strange, but he was, he had his PhD. He was a professor, a very bright man, just had, you know, you know what alcohol does to people. And so he wasn’t drinking then. And we actually had a great relationship the last 10 years of his life. But he said to me, Why are you so stuck on this Christianity? Like, why don’t you do some research? Why don’t you read some books about, you know, faith and, you know, read this book and that book and this book and that book and blah, blah, blah. And I said, can you just let me have this because it gives me peace. And I remember I was like crying in the back of the truck as he was driving me to the airport after we’d had this 35. At that point, it had been like a 20-year arrangement, and I was efforting some kind of relationship with him. And so anyway, I just remember saying, can’t you let me have this? Because it worked for me, and I was not about to give it up because some PhD was telling me to research it and do more books. So I lucked out and got to skip that. But you really put the work in.
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Yeah, I just eliminated it. It’s almost as if God said, you know, in hindsight, I’m looking back, you know, I used to say to churches when I worked there that if God had sat me down and said, this is what I’m going to put you and your wife through for the next seven or eight years. But at the end of all of that, you’re going to know Jesus and you’re going to know a peace and a love for each other that you never knew could exist. I don’t think I would have signed on. So this is why God doesn’t tell us his plans, you know. There’s Paul, he has a road to Damascus moment where Jesus just strikes him and says, why are you persecuting me? And then there’s mine, and it was like God said, okay, I’ll let you have this. Go to self-help and see what that leaves you with. Go to Buddhism, New Age, see what the world has to offer. And I say this all the time. I said, if you walk into any bookstore in America, the shelves are filled with with man’s attempt to find meaning apart from Christ. We are a chatty little species. And then the Bible just sits in that, then that bookstore covered in dust. Nobody wants to open it up because they’ve been told and hammered home that it’s just an archaic book full of little stories that mean nothing. But, um, it, you know, the guy that discipled me, we were on a golf course and, um, I was reading Ayn Rand, and I was trying to figure out how to accumulate wealth. We were filing bankruptcy, and we were losing everything. And I just didn’t really care. I always tell people, if your marriage is full of acrimony, wait until you get to apathy. I mean, there’s nothing more painful than just not caring. And we were sitting on the golf course, and he says, you don’t want a lot of money. And I go, I don’t? He goes, no, you can’t handle what little you have. A lot would be a burden. And I couldn’t get my head around that because everybody wants a lot of money. So anyway, he started telling me in order to really enjoy the creation, you have to have a relationship with the one who created it. And it all makes sense when you realize that it’s all temporal and it’s not yours to begin with. And you learn to give it away. And that’s when more accumulates. The more you give, the more you accumulate. And I couldn’t understand that. And I said, where do you read all that at? And he goes, well, it’s biblical. And I go, you know, the Bible. Who actually reads the Bible? And he says, you don’t? And I go, no. He goes, why not? I go, well, it’s a little archaic. You know, God, God’s word. I don’t really believe in God. I’m really an atheist. And he said, well, if you haven’t read the Bible, you’re not really an atheist. You’re a moron. And that was the beginning of a lifelong friendship. He called me a moron. And I said, well, what do you mean by that? He goes, it’s the most influential book in the history of the world, and you can’t even crack it open and study it. That’s moronic. That’s lazy. That’s intellectually lazy. And to rely on other people’s interpretation of the Bible is also intellectually lazy. God will speak to you through that book. You just have to give him a chance. And he signed me up for Bible Tapes. And that was the beginning of our friendship. And he loved me into the kingdom a year and a half. I didn’t open up a Bible tape for a year and a half. And we had this friendship that was budding. And all he said to me at the end of every conversation we had, he goes, we pray for you and Tammy. We pray for your marriage. I go, why? He goes, well, we just think that all marriages are ordained from God and you were put together for a reason. And you may not know it, but God put you there for a reason. So is it all right if we pray for you? And I go, I don’t care. You know, nothing to me. And anyway, you know, eventually I opened up a tape and my first tape was Ecclesiastes. Meaningless, meaningless. All in life is meaningless. And that summed up my eight year search. She was right. Well, whoever wrote that in the Bible was right. And I felt if there was that deep of a truth in the Bible, then there must be other truths in that book. And I just dove into that book, and it ultimately led me to Jesus, the woman on the well, the prostitute at the well. When I heard the verse, if you drink from what I offer, you’ll never thirst again, I realized what I was saying.
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dying from was a spiritual thirst that can only be quenched by the author of life yeah not not the not the bottle per se wait do you intellectual or the intellectual yes yes the mind do you have time to um to continue our interview we’ve got to take a break do you have time to stick with us okay i just want to mention too i remember bono talking about this bible that he could understand and it was easy to read and it was written by eugene peterson are you familiar with this
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Oh, the message, right?
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Yes, yes. I got it from my brother, who’s, you know, in the psych ward or whatever. But he’s pretty smart. So actually, he’s fine with the regular Bible. But I thought it might, you know, be like a good, you know, like a sampler for him. All right, you’re listening to The Good News. And we’re talking to Jeff Allen, comedian and author. We will be right back.
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Welcome back to The Good News. We are talking to comedian Jeff Allen. He’s in the midst of a tour right now. Right now he’s on the East Coast. And we also just had a discussion that pretty much covered the first six chapters of his book, Are We There Yet? by Jeff Allen. Are We There Yet? My Journey from a Mess… From a messed up to a meaningful life. I like that. All right, Jeff. So we were talking about the Bible, and I like that the guy told you, your friend, that it was intellectually lazy not to look at the Bible, not to read the Bible, learn from the Bible, and get guidance from the Lord through it. And then we were talking about Eugene Peterson writing that kind of like the light Bible, the message, which is… Pretty cool. I actually bought it for myself and for my brother, because Bono from U2 was saying that he thought it was a really cool thing because it made it so easy to understand, etc. Okay, so let’s get into your book more.
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Yeah, the publishers always ask, you know, who you’re writing the book for. And I was 66, I’m 68 now, so it was two years ago, I think I started it. uh, in earnest. And, um, I said, I’m writing it for millennials. My sons are millennials. And, um, I was 31 to 38, 39, maybe when I gave my life to Christ. So that’s seven or eight years, um, of just, uh, confusion and, um, emptiness and apathy really. Um, I see that a lot in today’s millennial. I wrote it for the guy that’s in the living room on the couch at 10 o’clock at night. His family’s in the other room. He’s got all the boxes checked. I checked the boxes. I had a beautiful wife who loved me. I had children who were healthy and they loved me. I had a job I loved. I loved doing comedy. And still, you know, after checking the boxes, I didn’t understand why it mattered. What difference does it make, you know? And those are the arguments and the discussions that my wife and I had. She would shake me, you know, we’re losing everything and you don’t care. I go, I don’t. She goes, you know, who says that? I go, someone who doesn’t care. I mean, I want to care. I mean, I feel the weight of it. Believe me, I felt the weight of it. But I just couldn’t muster up the energy to make the effort to produce anything because I didn’t realize what differences it makes. We have a 10,000 square foot house. We have a 1,000 square foot house. We have a nice car. We have a car. I just didn’t understand the material side of life and why it mattered. And anyway, I see that today and I hope. that the 40-year-old picks up this book, and he’s on his couch in the living room, and he’s just surfing channels at night while his family sleeps. The devil wants you to live it. He’ll remind you of your past, and if that doesn’t work to kill your life, he’ll have you project into the future, 5, 10, 15 years, and say, this is it. This is your life for the next 15 years. What do you think of that? And God wants you in the moment. He wants you right there in the moment. And he can speak to you in the moment. And from that will come that peace and understanding that, look, I may not understand where I’m headed, but I’m going to do what I can to do his will. And there is something to giving. You know, it’s interesting. Ayn Rand made the argument that altruism is a selfish act. You do it because it makes you feel good. Well, I believe we’re wired to be altruistic, you know, that God made us this way. You’re going to serve something. You will serve something and you will worship something. We were wired to worship and we were wired to serve by the God, God, the creator. So ask yourself what you’re worshiping and what you’re serving. And maybe it’s a false God and maybe it’s you’re serving yourself. You know, it’s been said there’s no smaller package than a man wrapped up in himself. So. And, uh, those years, uh, I was wrapped up in myself and I will tell, I will tell your listeners this, if you can get through the first six chapters of the book without killing yourself, it’s an uplifting tale. It really is. The last half of the book is, uh, what we’ve been through for the last 20 years by, by every metric the government keeps, we should have been divorced six times for whatever reason, for whatever reason, God kept us together to, uh, And it was probably the prayers of my friends and then the prayers of all these people that I’ve worked for over the years. And it’s a wonderful life. It really is. But there’s five questions I pose in the book that I ask and answer two or three times a year as a kind of an inventory. What do I value most? What defines me is the first one. And most men will give you a vocation.
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Yes.
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And vocations are transitory. So if you’re connecting your worth and self-worth and your value to your vocation, that could change. It could be in flux on any day. So then what do you do? My hope lies… I value… I define myself as a child of God. I’m His child. and his alone. And then after that, everything works out. It’s like, you know, it’s like in Ephesians, you know, everybody quotes the verse, wife, submit to your husband, but they never, they ignore the prelude to that, which is where I’m supposed to submit my life to Christ. When I can submit my life to Christ, then everything else, I will serve as Christ served. So I am to serve my wife as Christ served me. And then this, it’s just this cascading of blessings that comes from the beginning, the, the, Beginning your day with prayer and saying I’m yours, just guide me and give me the hope that lies within you and then everything else falls. So what defines me and then what do I value? I used to value material and I realized how empty that left me. Materials come and go, but if what defines you is integrity, how you integrate what you believe with how you live, you will live a much more peaceful life and you’ll find yourself a little more in line with the commandments of which I break probably daily. And then the centerpiece is what are my expectations? And I tell Tammy all the time, if you would lower your expectations of me, I would meet them and you’d be a much happier woman.
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Oh my gosh, hilarious.
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Yeah, so I’m a product of a woman who actually expected more from me than I expected from myself. She held me to a higher standard. And I tell young men all the time, if you don’t have a woman in your life, if you don’t have, we are meant to have women. God gave us a partner in Genesis for a reason. That woman will put a bit in your mouth and she will put her boot on your back and she will move you to be a better man in so many ways. So expectations and then what voices do I listen to? That’s a big one in this culture to me. I got to really kind of look at what garbage in, garbage out. What am I listening to? on a daily basis. And it used to be a lot of talk radio. And I found myself being just really stirred up and miserable. And then I started listening to sermons and pastors. And I just signed up for a college class at the end of August. Tammy goes, why? I go, I just want to learn. You know, I’m not doing it for a degree or anything. I’m just doing it for learning sake. And then the last one. I don’t know yet. It’s Jordan Peterson’s university and he has lecturers and I don’t quite know what it’s going to look like. I just. I just trust Jordan Peterson to give me people who are smart and honest brokers.
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Before we get to number five, what voices do I listen to? I used to go to sleep listening to podcasts like Dateline and 2020, and then my kids leave. My kids, I have three teenagers, and my husband, they leave for school and work, and they kept leaving the garage door open, and I kept texting them like, Do you want to find your mother chopped up in the trunk when you get home? And, you know, do you know what happens to people who leave their garage door and their doors unlocked? You know, so I thought, oh, my gosh, like I was in the TV news business in Los Angeles and all over Southern California and Denver. all i all i covered was bad news right because you don’t go to someone’s door and go hey i’m here it’s the best day of your life no i’m knocking because something horrible happened in your family or there was a drive-by shooting or whatever and so um so i i thought oh gosh i gotta stop listening to this dateline when i go to sleep so i started listening so i love um charles stanley um The late, great Charles Stanley. And so I listened to him. And then also I started listening to American history storytellers, which I find to be fascinating. So it’s more like you’re in history, like you’re there and that they’re telling the story. And imagine you are standing on the street, you know, when Paul Revere, you know, you know, rides by or whatever.
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That’s so cool.
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Yeah. And so I’ve learned so much about history and, you know, wars that I forgot about and, you know, things that, you know, women’s suffrage, like all they went through to finally get the vote. I mean, that’s mind blowing. And, you know, the Underground Railroad. So I thought, oh, great. This is a lot different. better to put in my brain than yet another, you know, person being murdered and, you know, trying to find the bad guy, you know, stories. But I agree as a Christian, like listening to Charles Stanley, I mean, that’s super uplifting. When I lived in LA, I used to do God walks and I would listen to Charles Stanley while I walked on the beach. And that was like every, every day, you know, I would do that. So I like that whole, what voices do I listen to? Because my son listens to rap. And I’m just going to be blunt here. I said, look, when you have your sisters in the car, you cannot listen to penis music. Like all this yucky, you know, saying dirty things and, you know, disgusting. Like you can’t have 15-year-old girls in the back seat with that music on. It is so embarrassing to your sisters. And it’s so wrong when you’re taking them to Young Life.
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Yeah, well, let me tell you what I told my son. I heard him listening to rap. And I walked in his room. And I said, I am not going to be monitoring whatever you listen to. I just don’t have the time or the energy. I have the desire, but I realize I don’t have the time or the energy. So let me explain to you what art is. All art is a statement. And it comes from the soul. So… this music you’re listening to is art produced by people who have failed oppressed or pushed down or have the boot of the state on their neck. And they are hitting back at what they believe are the oppressors and they are hitting hard. So I have to ask you as, as your father and you are a white suburban kid, um, raised under my roof, what part of your soul is being fed with all of this anger, and vitriol because I understand where it’s coming from. I just don’t understand what part of your soul it’s feeding. All art should feed some part of your soul because then it’s edifying and then it will produce a better person than you. So if you can just think about that, I would, I would like to know, I don’t need an answer now, but just give me an answer in a couple of days. Think about it. Like two days later, I went by, he was listening to journey.
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Oh my gosh. That is hilarious. The small town girl.
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Yeah. And I just said to him, and it was funny when he was, he had Earl Smith on at one point, I came to dream on and I was singing along. He goes, you know, these guys, I go, have you seen Steven Tyler? He’s 109 years old. Are you kidding me? I was in the backseat of a car with a date when this song was played.
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Oh my gosh. It’s so funny. Okay. So that’s number two. You’ve got what defines me. Um, and you’ve got, what do I value? Uh, what are my expectations? What voices do I listen to? And then what’s, what’s five? Yeah.
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Five is where does your hope lie? And if it lies in the next election, I pity you. I really do. And it doesn’t mean you’re not aware. It doesn’t mean that you don’t do your homework and you don’t pay attention. But for some reason or another, if it’s life and death and you wind up in a psych ward because your guy or gal didn’t get elected, then I pity you. My hope lies in the fact that the words in the Bible are true and there is an ultimate author of life and there is some kind of control over this thing. And I will, you know, again, I will do my homework. I will do what I can. But in the end, it’s not a person. It is a person. It’s the person of Jesus Christ is where my hope lies. And so anyway, that’s the five. And I got to go through because I get out of balance. I get out of whack.
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Don’t y’all.
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In some area, I’ll look at. And, you know, it’s funny you brought up Dateline. I do a joke in my show. I talk about, we binged Dateline during COVID because I didn’t have anything else to watch. And I said, you know, they talk, pastors are always talking about the divorce rate. You know, they should mention the murder rate every now and then. So not a lot of couples getting out with their wives. And I tell men, I go, men, watch five Datelines with your wife. You’ll look her dead in the eye. Are we doing all right, you and me?
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You know?
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I love it.
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Yeah, nobody ever sees it coming. Oh, they love each other. Now, wait a minute. They found her in the forest in 11 different shoeboxes. Maybe they had a couple of unresolved conflicts they didn’t share with you.
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Oh, I know. And it’s always the husband that’s terrifying. All right, the book is Are We There Yet? Comedian Jeff Allen. And you can find him on Instagram and Facebook. I just did. And I appreciate you, Jeff. It was fun. Thank you, man.
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Have a great day.
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In honor of Military Appreciation Month, Verizon thought of a lot of different ways we could show our appreciation, like rolling out the red carpet. giving you your own personal marching band, or throwing a bumping shindig. At Verizon, we’re doing all that in the form of special military offers. That’s why this month only, we’re giving military and veteran families a $200 Verizon gift card and a phone on us with a select trade-in and a new line on select unlimited plans. Think of it as our way of flying a squadron of jets overhead while launching fireworks. Now that’s what we call a celebration, because we’re proud to serve you. Visit your local Verizon store to learn more. $200 Verizon gift card requires smartphone purchase $799.99 or more with new line on eligible plan. Gift card sent within eight weeks after receipt of claim. Phone offer requires $799.99 purchase with new smartphone line on unlimited ultimate or postpaid unlimited plus. Minimum plan $80 a month with auto pay plus taxes and fees for 36 months. Less $800 trade-in or promo credit applied over 36 months. 0% APR. Trade-in must be from Apple, Google, or Samsung. Trade-in and additional terms apply.
