Letting Go: Insights from Mark and Angel

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Welcome to The Good News with Angie Austin. Now, with The Good News, here’s Angie.

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Hello there, Angie Austin with The Good News and also Dr. Cheryl Lentz, the academic entrepreneur. Hello, my friend.

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Hello, hello, Andy.

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I have a kind of cool topic for us today. You and I often go to the website Mark and Angel for cool topics. And this is four effective ways to start letting go in life. And I know as a professor, you put a lot of these things into action. And I really admire, Cheryl, how… you’re much better than I am about getting up. You’ve got a list, you get to work. Like I think too much in the morning and then I might roll over in bed and go, I’m going to nap another half hour. And then, Hmm, I, you know, in my interviews, I don’t start that early. So I can be, they call it, I’m bed rotting. That’s what the teenagers call it. And I know, Yeah, that’s what it is. That’s what I do some mornings. And you do not bed rot.

SPEAKER 03 : 0:58

No, not typically. I’m up with the sun. I probably get more done before nine in the morning. Most people do all day just because I got to get started. Not always and not every morning. But I will tell you, I have trouble in the wintertime when the sun doesn’t come up and it’s not as long as it is in the summer times.

SPEAKER 02 : 1:14

Me too. Winters are not my favorite. Okay. I like these because it’s kind of not dwelling on the junk that doesn’t matter. And the first one is practice letting everything breathe. And that sounds like, oh, deep breathing. No, it’s about stopping for a moment. And like there’s peace and just letting, you know, just calming yourself. What does the Bible say? It’s like, be still and know that I’m God. Like just like quieting your mind.

SPEAKER 03 : 1:43

And I think you make better decisions in that clarity, in that timeliness. It’s not about breathing to relax. It’s about getting to that calmness. That’s where I get some of my ideas and then I will get inspired. Oh, I got to call this person. Oh, I got to call that person. I do it from a point of strength and clarity, not neuroticism and running like a chicken with my head cut off, you know?

SPEAKER 02 : 2:02

Yes. And I think we forget things like I know I’m stressed whenever I lose my keys. And if I lose my keys, I know I’m stressed because I’m thinking about too many things at once. And I’ve completely forgotten where I put it. It says you don’t need to control everything. You don’t need to worry about everything. You don’t need to change everything. Sometimes you can just accept things. And when you quiet your mind, like you said, that’s when you get creative. For me, if I take the time to journal, my life is more orderly or ordered, as you would say. And I think I think you’re a little bit better at putting your day in order than I am. I kind of fly by the seat of my pants a lot more drives my husband crazy because we might have a plan. And I’m like, oh, let’s stop and look at the world’s largest ball of twine. He’s like, that’s not on the schedule. And I’m like, you know, he’s so orderly and he his work day. He gets so many things done. And I’m a little bit I think the kids think I’m more fun, but I drive him crazy.

SPEAKER 03 : 2:56

I struggle with that. I subscribe to the Brian Tracy, eat that frog. I try and do the worst stuff that I don’t like first so that it’s not hanging all over my head. And cause I’m not a fan of accounting and I have to do my books once a month. And I just, the hardest part is just getting started. And that’s the whole point. So I make a point of don’t complain about it. Don’t be, just do it first thing, get it over with. And then the rest of the day goes much easier. So you don’t have the monkey on your back.

SPEAKER 02 : 3:19

And whose theory is that? Brian Tracy, eat that frog. Eat that frog. Oh, that means you eat the frog first and then the rest of the day is better. Exactly. You’re just going to get that frog.

SPEAKER 03 : 3:29

If you put it in the boiling water and it just goes there and it goes there and it sits there and then it eventually dies and it doesn’t notice it because it’s just a little itty bitty things over time. So he’s just like, eat the frog, get it over with. And to be honest. It’s not really even about eating the frog. It’s just getting started because I know I’m only going to do this for half an hour, and most of the time, once I get started, I finish the whole darn thing because I don’t like it, and I’m procrastinating, and I’m not a procrastinator. I just procrastinate on things I don’t like. So if I just finally get started, usually that’s the impetus, or I’ll break it into –

SPEAKER 02 : 4:02

you know different things all right i’ll do half an hour now half an hour later and there’s so over three days i will get it done but i will get it done you know so it’s not everything all at once where you’re like take the medicine just make the spoonful sugar and go away you know oh my goodness all right um here’s the next one uh and again we are discussing an article that is just kind of helps your life flow a little better it is four effective ways to start letting go in life so that You know, you can actually reach your goals and enjoy things. Number two, practice accepting your present reality. And then they say, and just floating, which is a little too, you know, ethereal for me. But imagine you’re blindfolded and treading water in the center of a large swimming pool and you’re struggling desperately to grab the edge of the pool. You think it’s nearby, but really it’s not. It’s far away. Trying to grab that imaginary edge is like stressing you out. You think you’re there and you’re not. You’re splashing aimlessly, trying to hold on to something that’s not there. Now imagine you pause, take a deep breath and realize there’s nothing nearby to hold on. And you just start treading water. You’re not struggling. You’re relaxing. You’re just slowly floating, treading water. It’s an inner peace that begins to develop the moment that, you know, you accept that. And I think that what it kind of brings to mind for me is when you’re trying to make something happen, when like I bring up the example of, you know, Hope has ADHD. And when we were trying to jump through these hoops to get her accepted into college, when they didn’t necessarily like her test scores, And I was trying to prove that even though she’s not a good tester, I got all these people to write letters. I got tutors, you know, the people that work with her four years in her high school and, you know, people that just go, this kid is the most amazing kid you’ve ever met. She was the biggest dream to work with. Her caseworker said of all my kids that I work with with. learning issues she is my number one favorite the one I’m least worried about like that and she was the educator of the year so I thought well that’s going to hold a lot of weight and when those things didn’t work I was so frustrated I was like trying to grab the edge of the pool and struggling and you know splashing and like why isn’t this working and I finally just had to like let go and let God per se you know what I mean and that’s I think with this that’s how I envision this particular practice accepting your present reality and just treading water instead of trying to just splash around and make things happen that would control it.

SPEAKER 03 : 6:14

Well, it’s a serenity prayer, right? How do you know what to let go of, what to hang on to, what the courage is, and the wisdom to know the difference. Trust me, it’s a work in progress. Me too.

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Oh, I like that one. Practice challenging the stories you keep telling yourself. Many of the biggest misunderstandings in life could be avoided. If we simply took the time to ask, what else could this mean? A lot of people always jump to the most negative conclusion. My mom oftentimes does that. She’s gotten much better, which is, you know, you can teach an old dog new tricks, I guess. A wonderful way to do this is by using a reframing tool that we initially picked up from research professor Brenny Brown. When we tailored it with our coaching work with our students, say Mark and Angel, we call the tool the story I’m telling myself. Although asking the question itself, what else could this mean, can help reframe our thoughts and broaden our perspectives. Using the simple phrase, the story I’m telling myself, as a prefix to troubling thoughts, has undoubtedly created many aha moments for students and clients. Here’s how it works. The story I’m telling myself can be applied to any difficult life situation or circumstance that in which a troubling thought is getting the best of you. For example, perhaps someone you love, husband, wife, boyfriend, girlfriend, et cetera, didn’t call you or text you when they said they would, and now an hour has passed, and you’re feeling upset because you obviously – you know, feel like you’re not a priority to them. When you catch yourself feeling this way, use the phrase, the story I’m telling myself is that they didn’t call me because I’m not a high enough priority, but it could, then you ask yourself, is this absolutely true? How do I feel and behave when I tell myself a story? What other possibility might there be? What other, you know, reason? And I learned this through a weatherman whenever he’d come in crabby and I was like building his maps and I was like the underling weather person and he’d be crabby and i’d say are you mad at me and one day he stopped he goes no every day i tell you i’m not mad at you because i suffer from depression and it’s not always about you angie and so the story i’ve been telling myself was completely wrong right but that’s the hard part isn’t it amazing when we tell a new story the events haven’t changed just the story has and our perception has so that’s and the way we feel changes

SPEAKER 03 : 8:18

Absolutely. So you’re not in your story. You’re talking about your story. And that’s huge. That’s huge.

SPEAKER 02 : 8:25

Okay. The last one is practice putting the figurative blast down. Okay. Now this is a lesson that Mark and Angel learned. So I’m going to tell you the story. 20 years ago when Angel and I were, oh, and by the way, when Mark and Angel started this very successful coaching career and markandangel.com and their books, they’re very successful. They have a huge following. His story was rejected for like the student paper or whatever it may be. And she said, well, hey, let’s just start our own website. So here he was rejected. It reminds me of my friend who was the gardener at Channel 2 where I worked on the morning show. And when they said, we don’t need you anymore, he was like, oh, I’m done. I’m like, well, no, you’re not. Just because you’re not their cup of tea, like another station might need you. And now he’s been 20 years at the number one station in town. doing his gardening and it’s a hugely you know immensely popular segment okay 20 years ago an angel and i were undergrads in college our psychology professor taught us a lesson we’ve never forgotten on the last day of class before graduation oh you’ll love this because you’re a prof she walked up on stage to teach one final lesson which she called a vital lesson on the power of perspective and mindset you know how we view things As she raised the glass of water over her head, everyone expected her to mention the typical glass half empty or is the glass half full metaphor. Instead, with a smile on her face, our prof asked, how heavy is this glass of water I’m holding? Students shouted out answers ranging from a couple of ounces to a couple of pounds. After a few moments of fielding answers and then nodding her head, she replied, from my perspective, the absolute weight of this glass is irrelevant. It all depends on how long I hold it. If I hold it for a minute or two, it’s fairly light. If I hold it for an hour straight, its weight might make my arm ache. If I hold it for a day straight, my arm will likely cramp up and feel completely numbed and paralyzed, forcing me to drop the glass on the floor. In each case, the absolute weight of the glass doesn’t change, but the longer I hold it, the heavier it seems to me. As most of us students nodded our heads in agreement, she continued, your worries, your frustrations, your disappointments and stressful thoughts are very much like this glass of water. Think about them for a little while and nothing drastic happens. Think about them a little bit longer and you begin to feel noticeable, maybe mental pain. Think about them all day long and you’ll feel completely numb and paralyzed, incapable of doing anything else until you drop them. Think about how this relates to your life right now. If you’ve been struggling to cope with the weight of what’s on your mind, Maybe you need to restructure it and see this as something that, as she put it, you need to put the glass down. So if you’ve been struggling to cope, let go to renew faith in yourself. A big part of practicing letting go is gradually renewing your own faith in yourself. This renewed faith means finding the willingness to live with uncertainty, to feel your way through each day, to let your intuition guide you like a flashlight in the dark. It’s about firmly standing on your own two legs in the present without crutches that you’ve been holding on to, gradually taking small steps forward. You’ve got this. And if you choose to believe that you have enough and are enough in each and every moment, what if today you choose to believe that you are strong enough to move forward one step at a time? And, you know, a lot of it, I think, is letting go of people pleasing, letting go of like expectations, people around us trying to please our parents, please our spouse, like living up to other people’s expectations, etc., And I just like the idea of holding on to all those beliefs, the unforgiveness, the negative attitudes about ourselves. If you hold on too long, your arm just can’t take it anymore, nor can your brain.

SPEAKER 03 : 11:57

That’s amazing. So it’s all amount of time, not task. So it’s not what you’re doing, it’s how long you’re doing it. That’s brilliant.

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And learning to maybe reframe these things or let these things go. I think that reframing things just like me thinking that every day my boss was mad at me because I get stuck in L.A. traffic and then I feel so guilty and anxious, you know, because he’s standing there with his arms crossed when I walk in because I’m building his maps for the weathercast for the show. And thinking he’s angry at me every day when it just made my life so much easier when I finally addressed it. And he’s like, it’s not always about you, Angie. It just stuck with me like, oh, and I got that from my mom. She always thinks one time someone stopped her in traffic, like, you know, a construction guy and he put his flag up and stopped her. And she came home and she goes. That construction guy was going down Castle Pines Parkway, and he purposefully stopped me and no one else. And I’m like, Mom, he stopped you because you leave a lot of space in between cars, and you drive slowly. So that was the obvious break in traffic. But that was how ridiculous you took things personally.

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I had a coach of me telling me, he goes, what other people think of you is not your business.

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I tell my kids that all the time. I look at that going…

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It isn’t. He goes, no, because you can’t control it. So it’s what you think of yourself that’s important because you can’t do anything about what they think. The best you can is the best you can do. So I always remind me, it doesn’t matter what they think. It’s not my business.

SPEAKER 02 : 13:20

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Absolutely, honey. Thank you.

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Littleton is listening to the mighty 670 KLT Denver.

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Hello, it’s Angie Austin with the good news. I’m really excited about today’s show because this is an area of interest for me and hopefully for you as well. So let’s get right on into it. We’re going to be talking about seniors, how we can help them, and an organization that I’ve done some work with, Meals on Wheels, which is a fabulous organization. About 60 years ago, on July 14th, the Older Americans Act was created to empower older adults to live independently, reduce poverty, which a lot of them do deal with on their limited incomes, and isolation, and ensure that they have access to essential social and health services. Joining us is Meals on Wheels America President and CEO, Ellie Hollander, who will discuss why increases in federal investment in senior care is smart policy. Hi there, Ellie. Hi, Angie. How are you? I’m well. All right. So we’re going to get into Congress. But I just wonder, how did you get into this line of work?

SPEAKER 04 : 15:35

You know, we always think about what we’re going to do next. This was just fortuitous, this opportunity at Meals on Wheels America. And, you know, it’s always what’s happening in your life at the time. And it wasn’t the best personal time for me. My sister was gravely ill and I was sort of a caregiver to my dad. And timing wasn’t perfect, but they both urged me to do this. And I’m so glad that I took this on. I can’t imagine a more important cause than meals on meals.

SPEAKER 02 : 16:02

Yes. I have a favorite radio friend and I’ve interviewed him on numerous occasions. His name is Kevin. He was in the military. In fact, he was a lawyer in the military. And here in Colorado, when he retired from his big mucky muck job, you know, big officer, jurist, you know, important guy. He his kid’s laugh is that he’s not retiring. So every single day of the week, he does some kind of volunteering job. And he works a lot with Special Olympics. But one of his favorite days is his Meals on Wheels days. We’ve talked about it extensively on the show. So I want to get into it a little bit more later because I think people think the commitment is like forever or every day or really difficult. I mean, there’s so many ways Meals on Wheels works around you. So we’ll get to that in a minute. But let’s start with why did Congress originally pass the Older Americans Act?

SPEAKER 04 : 16:53

Yeah, I mean, I think there was incredible foresight, and I give Congress a lot of credit 60 years ago to recognize that we needed a nationwide, federally funded program to preserve the dignity, independence, and well-being of older adults. I don’t know if anyone imagined then how fast the segment was going to grow and that, you know, fast forward to today that older adults, 60 and over, outpace the number of kids under 18. But regardless… it’s been an incredibly impactful understated program a lot of people don’t know about the older americans act but they do know about the programs that it enables that it funds like meals on wheels maybe one of the most recognizable ones but you know think about senior centers think about transportation to doctors appointments for folks that have mobility challenges think about Elder and respite care for caregivers. You know, all of these programs are funded through the Older Americans Act. It’s like the best kept secret, but yet it continues to deliver. And we find that we are improving the health and well-being of older adults in America. And we are saving health care costs by doing that.

SPEAKER 02 : 18:03

Absolutely. Absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, we were talking earlier, I mentioned in the intro about reducing isolation. I talk a lot about the Harvard Happiness Study that’s decades old. I mean, maybe close to 80 years or something. And they found interviewing families and, you know, generation after generation that the largest indicator or the best indicator of happiness is connections, friendships. family and connections to others. So that little piece of, by the way, of Meals on Wheels, it might be as important, if not more than the food sometimes.

SPEAKER 04 : 18:37

I think you nailed it, Angie. It’s so true. We hear this from our clients and we hear this from our volunteers is that, you know, it’s those moments of human connection that you can’t replicate. And as families are not living as close together as they used to. Yeah. right it’s so important to have a peace of mind to know that someone is checking in a loved one or or a neighbor someone that you care about deeply and we we hear all the time that as important as that nutritious meal is it’s you know it’s that it’s knowing someone’s going to check in on you it’s knowing that you’re going to have a conversation and friendly visit and it’s as uplifting for the volunteer as it is for the senior who’s receiving that oh yes yes i totally agree like you think you’re doing something for others and you’re like wait a second

SPEAKER 02 : 19:20

This person just helped me. So let’s talk a little bit more about that. We talked about the connection part, the friendship part, not being isolated. How are these programs critical to the well-being of our senior population? What else do they get out of this?

SPEAKER 04 : 19:35

Well, I think one of the most important things that we forget about is that most of us do want to have the choice to live out our lives in a setting of our own choosing. Yes, we can live at home and we can we can get the support we need to be as independent, healthy and safe as possible. That’s what most of us are going to choose. And if we don’t have that opportunity, we’re going to be we’re going to, you know, have more chronic disease than we do now. And we’re going to end up either as a high flyer in an emergency room or we’re going to end up being admitted, readmitted to a hospital or prematurely placed in a nursing home. which, of course, costs our country a lot more, costs taxpayers more. The little factoid I like to use, because people always remember it, I think it’s just easy to think about. We can provide Meals on Wheels, which is that nutritious meal, the social connection we talked about, safety and wellness check for an entire year for the same cost, roughly as one day in the hospital or 10 days in a nursing home. Are you kidding me? No, that’s what I mean. I mean, it’s like, whoa, whoa, what a return on investment. Why aren’t we doing more to make that opportunity possible for everybody involved? is really the question here at hand.

SPEAKER 02 : 20:45

Wow. All right. If you’re just joining us, CEO of Meals on Wheels, Ellie Hollander, is with us. And we’re talking today about OAA. And so we’re talking about the Older Americans Act. And in terms of challenges that OAA, the Older Americans Act, faces, what are the challenges that OAA programs are currently facing?

SPEAKER 04 : 21:08

Well, funding is never kept pace with need, with the growth of the senior population, or with inflation. So you have all those three factors. And what’s happening is there’s a huge growing chasm between those who actually need a helping hand, like a Meals on Wheels service. From those that we can provide. So waiting lists are mounting across the country. One out of three Meals on Wheels programs reports having one on average of four months, some as long as two years. They’ve had to cut back on services. This is really having an impact. And we know today we estimate about 2.5 million low income food insecure seniors need Meals on Wheels and aren’t getting it. And so, you know, what the challenge is, is that we need to continue to invest in those programs that we know work, that are cost effective. And that’s what we’re really trying to do by celebrating the 60 years of the Older Americans Act and saying that, you know, we want this program to get the investment to enable it to continue to do what it’s doing successfully for another 60 years and not leave seniors behind.

SPEAKER 02 : 22:12

Now, I don’t know how it works in other cities, but here in Denver, I was introduced to Meals on Wheels about 20 some odd years ago. A friend of mine was working for, he was a Mucky Mucket Volunteers of America. And so they handle the program here in Colorado. Is that a common thing for VOA to do that or do different organizations handle the Meals on Wheels program around the country?

SPEAKER 04 : 22:32

You know, they’re independent and, you know, they’re run very differently based on the communities that they serve. I see. There really isn’t like a one-size-fits-all because it really is focused on the needs of that particular community. But what is common among all Meals on Wheels programs is the commitment to mission. It’s enabling seniors to live independently with dignity and safely and healthy in their own homes if they so choose. That is the mission that they all share, regardless of size, regardless of location, regardless of what kind of partnerships or who’s running it or so forth. That is the common element.

SPEAKER 02 : 23:15

And the cool thing is, so my friend, I was talking about Kevin McCrary, my radio friend, I just so admire all the good works he does. But he was explaining to me with Meals on Wheels that you can pick up a day that you can kind of specify where you work, where you live and where you’d like to work. You may be able to pick up holidays that you don’t necessarily have to make a commitment. For him, it’s one day a week and he has a shift. And I said, well, how many hours does it take you? Because I can get it done in two or three hours. Just depends on how long I’m going to chat with people. And of course, there have been instances where. He’s helped rescue someone because there’s no one there to help the elderly person call 911 or whatever it may be. And he’s been able to ascertain like there’s an issue with the apartment. But he’s developed some relationships with them. But he just assured me because I’ve got three teenagers, five pets. My mom lives with me. I’m married. He said, look, if you just want to pick up like the empty shifts or when they have needs, you can do that or just take a day a week or more if you want. So I love the flexibility of that. It doesn’t take over your life per se, and that there are ways to fit into your current lifestyle. I interviewed a lady, oh gosh, 13 years ago when I started The Good News, and her children grew up going with her. I think she homeschooled and she had lots of kids, so they’d always go to these Meals on Wheels deliveries. These seniors were going to like graduations, school plays. They became friends with all of these kids. And she said it was such a beautiful relationship. And she brought a couple of the grown kids with her and they explained to me how fulfilling it was for them to develop all these friendships with kids. older people who became important in their lives that each week would want to know how did you do on your spelling test last week you know are you getting along with bobby better you know i know you know billy beat you up on that on that playground how did that all work out you know just it’s so it’s such a rich you know relationship needed a hundred percent you know there are two critical things that you mentioned there you know one was volunteers was it

SPEAKER 04 : 25:20

Look, there are all kinds of ways you can volunteer and they can be episodic or it can be, you know, on a regular route. It just depends on your time, your time availability and what the program needs. So don’t ever be turned off by you think that you have to make a two hour a day investment or two hour a week investment. It’s not the case. But the other thing that you’re pointing out is the relationship building. This is basically Meals on Wheels is considered an extension of families in many, many cases. And, you know, the first call that sometimes a senior will make if they if they have a need, we’re the ones to call for help. And. That’s that’s precisely what this is about. And to the extent that we can continue to build those relationships, we’re able to tell right away is something not right. If we go up to a door and we know that generally the person knows when we’re coming, Sally knows I’m going to be there at 10 o’clock in the morning and it’s 10 o’clock and Sally’s not there greeting me. I know something’s up. And so getting to know people and people helping people, it really is an amazing program. And as we said earlier, it’s as fulfilling for the volunteer as it is for the senior.

SPEAKER 02 : 26:25

One of my good friends, he went blind when he was a teenager. He was an incredible athlete, and he was going to go on to be in the NFL. When he went blind, he’s like, well, what can I do? Well. I could become an Olympic weightlifter. I don’t need to see to do that. And now he’s written 60 books and they’re working on his ninth movie. And he started the narrative television network, which kind of reads the movie per se, like describes it to a blind person. So I said to him, you know, I think you’ve turned out to be more, more, you know, successful than you would have been. Have you not gone blind? He goes, well, here’s what I figured out when you’re feeling sorry for yourself and no one was more depressed and feeling sorry for themselves. And the kid that was going blind in the 10 by 10 room in the back of the house. He said, but I found that if you go and do something for someone else, there’s nothing better than that to make you feel better. And so he’s very involved in, you know, doing things for others, which obviously you are as well. Which, by the way, you mentioned your dad and your sister. Was there anything else in your upbringing or what what initially gave you a passion for for helping others, for doing things that contributed to society rather than take away?

SPEAKER 04 : 27:28

yeah i mean that was the values that i learned from my parents and my grandparents and you know the older generation was already always part of my life because we were living close together my grandparents came over every weekend to spend time um you know i think and my dad spent a lot of time working in jobs and volunteering for you know community psychiatric clinics and helping others It just was sort of in my DNA. So it was a natural, it wasn’t really a leap, but it was sort of a natural growth opportunity for me to do what I think I’ve always loved doing, working with people and making a difference.

SPEAKER 02 : 28:01

I love it. You said we all want to make a difference, is that what you’re going to say?

SPEAKER 04 : 28:05

Yeah, we do, one way or another, right?

SPEAKER 02 : 28:07

Ellie, where do we go to get more info?

SPEAKER 04 : 28:10

Well, I’d love people to visit MealsOnWheelsAmerica.org. It’s a very rich website. There’s a lot of information and also opportunities on ways that you could get more engaged if you’re interested, ways that you can help us raise awareness, raise funds, volunteer, be connected with your local program. So I would encourage people to visit and peruse it because it’s a very rich site.

SPEAKER 02 : 28:31

Excellent. Thank you so much. Great interview. I appreciate it.

SPEAKER 04 : 28:34

Thank you, Angie. Love talking to you.

SPEAKER 05 : 28:36

Me too. Thank you for listening to The Good News with Angie Austin on AM670 KLTT.