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Dive deep into an enlightening episode where Neil Boron, Bob Duco, and John Rush discuss the spiritual essence of Easter within today’s political landscape. Engaging and thought-provoking, the hosts exchange views on traditional Good Friday beliefs and the significance of Jesus’ sacrificial love. The narrative is intertwined with contemporary political reflections, as they discuss how prominent leaders have acknowledged Easter, contrasting these with current social dialogues. Join them as they dissect Easter’s importance beyond its religious observance, aiming to unravel its profound impact on believers worldwide.
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SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome back, National Crawford Roundtable, another edition. Today, it is just myself and Bob Duco from Detroit, Michigan. Bob Duco’s show, Neil, is out, laryngitis this morning, so I’ll be praying for him, guys, and it’s going around. I didn’t feel super well last week. A lot of you could probably hear that in my voice. Bob, you seem to be immune to all of this.
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I guess so. I’m the only one who’s prayed up. I guess so, yeah.
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As we head into Easter, which we’ll talk about.
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I know, I talk trash and watch me be sick next week.
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, I’ve learned through the years, and don’t make fun of people that are sick or you’re liable to be yourself. Right, very true. I don’t know why that is, but I have learned through the years that, you know, what’s that old saying, don’t count your chickens before they’re hatched? Mm-hmm. All right, we’re heading into the Easter. I mean, it has been Holy Week all week for all of you that are listening. Yes, we record this on Wednesday mornings, and you’ll hear this throughout different times now through, well, the podcast you’ll hear indefinitely, but even over some of the terrestrial radio stations, you’ll hear some of this now even through the weekend, through the Easter weekend. And, Bob, again, it’s a good time for us to reflect upon Easter itself. We can talk about different things today regarding Easter, Just, you know, Good Friday, should we be celebrating these things? Is it a pagan holiday? I mean, I’ve seen so many things even lately on social media from Christians that, you know, wonder why we celebrate it in the first place. So I just thought, you know, we normally talk Easter, what it means and all of that, which we can definitely do for sure, but maybe even get into some of those other areas where you know, literally dispel some of the things that I feel are out there that that I’m not sure why people go down some of the rabbit trails they go. I mean, I get people want to be accurate, but at the same token, you can be so accurate you’re now dumb. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, that’s very true. And actually, there’s a lot of different Easter-related things to talk about this week. And one of them, I know we usually talk politics a lot. We’re not talking politics so much this week. But there is one little thing that I do want to slip in. I appreciate noticing the contrast of how President Trump has handled Holy Week this week.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely.
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compared to Joe Biden last year.
SPEAKER 02 :
I talked about that earlier in the week as well, Bob. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know, I did too. Because I kind of want to at least address that, and then we’ll get more into the theological aspects.
SPEAKER 02 :
Go for it. No, let’s do it. I’m game for that.
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Last year, Easter fell on March 31st. What also fell on March 31st was the National Day of Transgender Visibility, Day of Visibility for Transgenders, which I think to myself, and I said this last year on my show, I’d like to have a day of reduced visibility of transgenders. You see them everywhere. OK, the military TV, Disney movies, you know, they’re every I can’t watch TV without seeing a commercial for RuPaul’s Drag Race show or whatever. And, you know, the schools. And so how about a day of reduced visitability for transgenders? But no, Joe Biden last year as president on Easter Sunday, he put out a token, small one and a half paragraph document. blurb about Easter. I counted it was 94 words. That’s it. However, that very same day, he put out a full two-page, and I actually counted, 640-word statement about transgenderism and LGBTQIA plus EIEIO, everything else. And it was like, you’ve got to be kidding me. That’s what you treat Easter Sunday to be? Now, contrast that with this year, 2025. It’s not like President Trump is waiting for Easter Sunday to put out a nice message. He put out a message on Palm Sunday, first of all. And I got to tell you, if you didn’t know that this was Trump’s statement, you would totally think you were reading something Franklin Graham wrote or whatever.
SPEAKER 01 :
That’s right.
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It was like as we celebrate the glorious resurrection of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ who forgives us of our sins and what he did on the cross for us. He said, let’s pray. He said, we need to pray for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit on our nation. I’m not naive enough to think that Trump sat down and clicked all this out himself, okay? He obviously, you know, all these proclamations like, hey, somebody write this out. But he looks at it, he approves it, and he decides.
SPEAKER 02 :
Thank you. Yeah. Thank you for adding that. I was going to say that. It’s like, you know, Biden, on the other hand, neither one of those were written by them, but they still have to approve and then, you know, put their stamp of approval, if you would, on top of it when it’s all said and done.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. And Trump didn’t look at that and go, whoa, wait a minute. This is really the deep end of the pool here, pouring out the Holy Spirit upon our nation and our Lord and Savior, Jesus Christ. And by the way, so – but the very next day on Monday, Trump posted on Truth Social, OK, and – A lot of the very same kind of stuff, okay? And all week long, we’re going to be focusing on this. And he even had in all capital letters, he is risen, okay? And the tomb was rolled away and just all that kind of stuff. And then Wednesday, we’re recording this on Wednesday. So tonight, they’re having an Easter dinner and special at the White House. Tomorrow, they’re having a special prayer and communion service at the White House. And that’s only leading us up to Thursday, let alone Good Friday and what’s happening Sunday. So no matter what you think of Trump personally, I appreciate the fact we got a president who’s actually willing to put out official statements like this and treat the entire week this way, celebrating the resurrection of Jesus Christ. I think that ought to be honored. and I just don’t know what to say to Christians out there who fold their arms and go, no, I don’t like him anyway, so they can only focus on the negative. Here’s something pretty positive. How about acknowledging that?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, and I talked about this a little bit this week as well, you know, Bob, and, you know, And even when it had not that I’m going to get into a lot today with, you know, Bill Maher and what he said and so on. But, you know, people have to realize that a lot of what Donald Trump does, especially to the news me. And you and I have talked about this in the past on the podcast many, many times. And I have on my show many times. You know, Donald Trump has a stick, if you would. Things that he does with the press that, frankly, he doesn’t do with anyone else. And by the way, I’m not not giving him a pass because there’s probably some things I would do a little bit differently if I were him. Right. on the same token it’s the press it’s literally like talking to satan himself and yes i mean that sincerely folks the press the majority of the press in this country is very much on the evil sides of things and it’s literally like if i were talking to satan what would i say to him and that’s literally at times what i what i feel donald trump is doing when it comes to the press so yes some of it is his attacking of the press because of the way they treat him and by guys like even you and i bob And then on top of that, yes, a little bit of that is just his shtick and who he is. And, yes, he’s a little bit of an egomaniac and so on. And I’m not sure you can be president, frankly, and not have a little bit of that, to be honest with you. You’ve got to have really thick skin and do your thing. But my point is behind – You know, not even close doors, but get him away from that stage. And even Bill Maher will admit he’s actually a really nice guy. He is.
SPEAKER 03 :
And that which doesn’t surprise me at all, because I think this is I believe this is woven into Trump’s DNA as far as his art of the deal, his strategy is. He does want to, in any negotiation, he wants to have leverage. He wants to have psychological leverage. He wants to have control. And I think this is a way to disarm people. I think he did this very same thing even back in the day beforehand, before he ever got into politics. He’s the tough, intimidating guy who, if you’re going to go into a negotiation with him, you’re like, I better eat 12 bowls of Wheaties because this guy is just going to destroy me.
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And then
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And then when he goes in there and he’s cordial, friendly, all that kind of, it disarms him a little bit. And then you know something? I think Trump’s thinking is, I don’t want to give them a level 10. I want to give them a level one. But I want to get away with giving them level five. So let me think I’m going to go in there like a bull. And then when I’m disarming, I’m able to get more out of them than I could get otherwise. Because it’s like, hey, this guy’s really being reasonable with me. And I think that’s just part of his negotiation strategy. And Bill Maher saw that firsthand. But the bottom line is he gets success. He gets results in his negotiations. So let Trump be Trump.
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Very true. Absolutely true. So, you know, we appreciate you folks supporting Preborn and SunPowerLED, to be sure. All right, back to Good Friday.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, exactly. Or back to Easter, I should say, but I wanted to throw Good Friday into this because that’s always a big debate among the Christian community, Bob, as you know, depending upon, you know, how you were raised and what church you went to. And some people, Good Friday was a big deal that a lot of people, you know, spent a lot of time You know, either going to different services or, you know, the day of solitude and so on to others. It was just kind of a regular not just a regular day, but, you know, not as important of a day as it is to others. Some would argue that was it Friday? Was it Thursday? Was it Wednesday? I mean, you’ve heard all of those things throughout. the decades. And my feeling on that is, you know, honestly, I don’t know what day it was. I don’t know that I really care what day it was. The bottom line is he died. He rose again. That’s what gives me the salvation that I have and that I know full well I have in him. And honestly, Bob, I mean, I’ve got my own thoughts. I don’t want to share those on air because I don’t want to get, you know, everybody emailing me and slamming me for my own beliefs on this. But, you know, do I think it was Friday? No. What other day of the week do I think it is? I will not get into.
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OK, well, there is an argument for Thursday and there is an argument for Wednesday. I mean, there really is. Wednesday is a stretch, by the way. I get that. I get that. But by the way, so is Friday. Yeah, it is, because there’s some issues with Friday as well, and not to mention the fact that there’s really, when people hear the Sabbath day, people think that Saturday is the only Sabbath day, but actually the first day of a festival or a feast or the first day of Passover or anything like that is also considered a Sabbath day as well. But there are issues about when would the women have time on Friday to go purchase the spices and stuff that were necessary to anoint his body. And, you know, Friday poses some problems with that. And then there’s also the three days and three nights issue. And Friday poses a problem for that. But then you get other scholars that say, yeah, but even if you’re referring to three days, it’s referred to as three days and three nights, even if it’s a portion of one day and one night. And so… And you know what, John, I think you’re absolutely right. Okay. I, my, you know, I think it’s Friday, but you know what? I don’t hang my hat on that.
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I mean, either. I’m about, honestly, it’s not changing whether we go to heaven or not, Bob.
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Exactly. Exactly. If I were a betting person, not that this is not the kind of thing you cast lots for. Okay. But if I were a 50% of me says that it was Friday. About 35% of me says it was Thursday. And there’s a little bit of 15% that leaves it open for Wednesday, but not very much. What matters is he went to the cross. He died. He could have… He could have pulled the plug at any time. He could have called down a legion of angels to stop this from happening. But he didn’t do it because he loves us so much. And also, John, can I just say, we’ve got to remember, when people think about him in the Garden of Gethsemane and he’s sweating bullets, which is actually medically possible.
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That’s right.
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It’s not just because he was thinking about the physical pain he was going to be enduring. No, no, no. You have a perfect, holy, and righteous God, the perfect lamb, and he’s going to take on not the sin of one person, not the sin of you, John, and me, and Neil. but the sins of humanity, we can’t relate to what that would be like as a human being to take on the sins of humanity, Adolf Hitler and everybody else, let alone a perfect, holy, and righteous, blameless, spotless God, and he’s going to take it on. We can’t imagine.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and my own personal belief on that one as well, Bob, is that Not only everything you said, because, yes, that did play a big part into his, you know, his feelings at the time, his emotions and everything going on. But I think and this is to me, this is a lesson for us as Christians. I believe personally that, you know, remember that, you know, Christ. eternity past eternity forward until that moment in time he had had communion with his father on a literally you know moment by moment basis that was going to be separated for a moment in time and i think to me personally it was that i’m not going to be with my father what’s that going to be like and oh my word the agony that i’m going to go through during that time that’s what made him sweat bullets
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and you know something? I think that’s an excellent point as well. I do. Because, again, we can’t relate to what it would be like for a member of the triune God to be— To be separated. Yeah, to basically be separated. And he knew that there was a fulfilling of prophecy. When Jesus said, you know, why have you forsaken me, he’s fulfilling prophecy. So it’s not that God the Father forsook him in the way that we think of, okay, but he separated from him as he took on the sin of humanity.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s right. He had to because of the sin of us. Right. God can’t look on sin, which people don’t realize, Bob. So since he couldn’t look on sin, he couldn’t look on his own son at that time.
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I know, and we can’t fathom that. So think of that agony. I know, we can’t fathom that in our human minds. We would have to be a member of the Godhead to realize just what a Band-Aid rip that really is.
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Well, but on the same token, Bob, think of those of us that have, and I know not everybody’s close to their dad. I get that. I’m not going to go down that path of who’s had what kind of relationship and so on. But those that have had… you know good relationship with their parents good relationships with their folks and in this case you know good relationship with your dad you know in most kids especially you know you’re always looking for you know your approval from dad you want to make sure that he’s blessing you that he’s you know that you’re honoring him that’s part of the biblical creed as well we need to honor our parents and so there’s this communion that’s going on or should be going on you know with our our parents on an ongoing basis and even then to say what, you’re not going to have communion with me? You’re not going to fellowship with me because I’m now so bad you can’t look upon me? I mean, think about that grief in our own lives as humans, Bob, only multiply that billions times over for Christ. Right.
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I know. It’s something that we, in our finite minds, in our sinful flesh, we can’t wrap our brains around how severe of a psychological trauma that would have been for the human part of Jesus.
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That’s right. Which he was 100% God, 100% man, and it was that 100% man that was struggling.
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That’s right, absolutely.
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And the reason I say that, Bob, is I think at times we tend to, and we’ve talked about this on the podcast, is that we try to, you know, we kind of Christianize everything and sort of, you know, quote-unquote glorify all sorts of things, and we forget about the human aspect of these things that Christ himself went through. You know, he was tempted, he got tired, he had to sleep. You know, all the different things that we do as humans, he did the exact same things, but we tend to at times forget about that side. You know what?
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s such a great point that you make, John. I’ve talked about that with my audience many times over the years, that we focus so much on Jesus’ deity, and that’s very real and true, that we forget that he was also fully a human being. Because we create this image of him just kind of in a robe, not even walking, just gliding across the ground with a globe. around him and this, this white robe and everything. I was like, no, this is, this is a, he was a regular human being who stubbed his toe. And by the way, can I just say, got irritated with his disciples was not a sin. Okay. But he would be, how long do I have to put up with you? What? You can’t even stay awake long enough while I go and pray.
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I mean, seriously, how many times do I have to say this to you?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, exactly.
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Like we do with our kids sometimes. How many times do I have to say this?
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Exactly. Knocking Peter in the forehead. Hello, McFly. Exactly. He was a human being who had irritations as well. That doesn’t mean he sinned. So no, he was fully human.
SPEAKER 02 :
Proving also that we can also be irritated by some things, and that doesn’t mean we’re sinning. It means that we’re irritated by something going on. That is a natural human response. Now, what we do with that irritation, of course, is where it becomes a sin or not, but to be irritated is not sinful at all. I’ll take it another step.
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Being angry is not sinful because Scripture says, Jesus says, in your anger, do not sin. So in other words, don’t let your anger turn into a sense of unforgiveness and, you know, and hating, you know, hatred for your brother. Jesus was angry when he went in the temple and overturned the tables and chased people out with a whip, okay? But he didn’t sin. So you can be angry even. There is a such thing as righteous anger. Jesus showed us righteous anger. That’s right.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s right. Anyways, point being, guys that are listening, and I know that we have all walks of life on the Christian end of things, Bob, and we have folks that are going to be dyed in the wool that was Wednesday, some will say Thursday, some will say Friday, and I’m kind of one of those where, you know, it pans out in the end. I don’t know that I really care. One way or the other, I know that his blood sacrifice, which I want to talk about next, his blood sacrifice is what saved me from my own sin and gives me fellowship with the Father. Why, though, is that blood sacrifice such a big deal, Bob? I mean, I know, but I want to make sure we get this out to our listeners. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
The reason is because Jesus’ blood wasn’t from the line of Adam, okay? He didn’t have the sinful blood passed down the line from the original sin in the Garden of Eden. This is why it was so important that Jesus was conceived, okay, in Mary from the Holy Spirit, okay, and not from Joseph, because Joseph would have carried the bloodline of sin from Adam. That’s right. But Mary doesn’t. And by the way, even biologically and medically, a mother’s blood never interacts with her baby’s blood growing inside of her womb. So this was totally and completely pure, sinless, godly blood that was created in Jesus. And so this is the perfect sacrifice. This is why there were certain requirements on lambs that were sacrificed in the Old Testament. Right. But even then, that was only a temporary band-aid on the issue of sin. Jesus was the perfect shed sacrifice, and so his perfect shed blood is what washes us clean because now it’s the perfect sinless blood of Jesus Christ that covers us, not the tainted, sinful blood of Joseph that would be covering us. That wouldn’t be sufficient. Right.
SPEAKER 02 :
And again, for those of you listening, and I know there’s all walks of life, but I would encourage you to do a little research on the things that Bob and I are talking about right now. You may have heard of some of these things. You may have never really delved into these things in depth. A lot of you listening would maybe not even consider yourselves to be. Christians, you might consider yourself to be a good person. And I will say this, being a good person doesn’t get you to heaven. I’m glad you’re a good person. I’m glad you’re conservative. I’m glad you’re on our side of the aisle when it comes to all of those things, you know, politically speaking and how you live your life and so on. But being good, Bob, isn’t going to get you to heaven. It’s not.
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And as a matter of fact, you could be the nicest person in the world, and you can be all politically conservative even, and you can support all the right policies and everything else. And at the end of the day, when you stand before God, he’s not going to say, well, let me see your conservative and good standing card. It’s not about that. And by the way, doing all the good deeds in the world, you can help the poor, you can Look, people support pre-porn. We appreciate you doing that. You could do wonderful things. But that is the fruit that’s to be produced from our accepting Jesus Christ. That is not what gets us saved. Otherwise, it’s not about God and his mercy and Jesus’ blood. It becomes about us and our goodness and us earning a way into heaven. It’s about him. It’s not about us. And so we need to remember that. His gift of salvation is free.
SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
All right, guys, and that’s going to wrap it up for the first half of the National Crawford Roundtable. We’ve got still more to cover on the Easter aspect of things, and we may get into a few other things regarding some things outside of Easter, but still involve Christians as well here as soon as we come back. But the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable is next.
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All right, welcome back. National Carver Roundtable. This is the second half. Myself, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan. The Bob Duco Show. Neil Boron from Buffalo, New York is not with us today, not feeling super well. So Neil, get to feeling better if you’re listening. And of course, I’m your host, John Rush from Denver, Colorado. My show is Rush to Reason, which by the way, I don’t think I said that in the first half, but I think by now, Bob, most people know who we are and there’s other things that explain who we are and so on. And I probably should say this as well, Bob, that if anybody wants to know about any of us and our shows and so on, again, go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. You can find out all about myself, Bob, and Neil. And if you want to send us those nasty emails, you can do it from there. Address those to John. No, address them to me. Yeah, thank you. All right. Let’s talk about the origins of Easter, Bob. That’s another big thing that comes up this time of year. We just talked about how the importance of you know, whether it’s good Wednesday, Thursday, or Friday, it doesn’t matter. The death on the cross is huge. It’s what gives us salvation. But let’s not forget that death is one thing, but it’s the resurrection that really completed this whole process. And the reality is without the resurrection, the death doesn’t mean anything anyways, because he just would have died like every other great quote unquote prophet did throughout history. The reality is we have the only belief system whereby our God raised from the dead. But the problem with that, Bob, is there’s all sorts of people out there that would say, well, yeah, but that was a pagan holiday to begin with. So why would I celebrate Easter?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Well, first, there’s a couple ways to look at the pagan holiday issue. It is kind of a common knowledge that Easter has pagan origins and that it goes back to some of the pagan goddesses like Ostara or Ostra or things along these lines. But even that is debatable because if you talk to Christian historians, very often, many of them will say some of the writings about the Greek goddesses and such actually post-date the celebrating of Easter itself and that it’s really kind of mythology that Easter had mythological pagan origins. So there is that debate, and I would encourage people to look into that. But let’s just pretend, hypothetically, that there really were pagan origins to a lot of the Easter traditions. Plain and simple, so what? And I’ll tell you why I say that. Because if we go back to the Tower of Babel, at the Tower of Babel, God confused people’s languages probably 200, 300 years after the flood. He confused people’s languages into dozens of different languages. That’s when people started spreading around the world and starting civilizations. As they’re starting these different civilizations, people start creating false gods and mythological gods and things like that to worship. And this is part of a sinful world in humanity, creating these false gods. Pagan is really nothing more than a term for a false god, a god that’s not of the Bible. Technically, Islam is a pagan religion. Hinduism is a pagan religion. Technically it is. But we usually associate pagan with like the Druids and the Celts and the things like that. It’s like, okay, fine. But just about everything around the world that gets exported to the United States, we borrow just about everything, every culture, every custom, every tradition from various countries around the world. These are going to be pagan nations. So if we’re going to say, I can’t color an Easter egg because there’s evidence to suggest that some pagans did that as part of their ritual, or I can’t decorate a Christmas tree because pagans used to do that, as you read in Jeremiah 10— My thing is, then you better go be a hermit and live in a cave because you know something? Throw away your watch. Why? Because the base 12 time of division into hours, seconds, and minutes is a pagan custom. The biblical is the lunar calendar. You better throw away, for that matter, don’t use any rice at weddings, any grave headstones. Don’t use any clinking glasses or toasting because it’s toasting to the gods. Throw away your calendars because the days of the week are named after pagan gods. The months of the year are named after pagan gods. There comes a point where it’s like— Aren’t wedding rings actually originally pagan as well? Wedding rings are—that’s not a biblical thing. That’s a pagan custom, so throw away your wedding rings. Just about everything we do is a pagan origin issue. And that’s why the Apostle Paul made clear in his letter to the Church of Corinth that that he will even eat meat in an idol’s temple as long as it’s giving thanks to God and not as a sacrifice to a pagan god. So Paul made it clear. If somebody puts a piece of meat down here in an idol’s temple and this is offered as a sacrifice to a pagan god, no, I won’t eat it. But if it’s offered in thanks to the true God, I will eat it. Very same meat sitting on the very same plate. So John, if you ask me, Bob, will you come over to my house and color some Easter eggs as part of a celebration to the goddess Ostra? I’m going to say no. But if you say, will you come over and help me color some eggs for my grandkids, okay, so we can celebrate the cultural fun surrounding the resurrection of Jesus Christ, then I’ll say, sure, same egg, same food coloring, different reason. That’s what the Apostle Paul made clear. That’s why I don’t think we ought to make such a big issue out of this.
SPEAKER 02 :
By the way, some of you that have obsession with cats, that’s another pagan thing.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. Just saying. John, I got to tell you this real quick. It’s tangential, but bear with me, okay? One of the worst hammerings I ever got from listeners in my audience a long time ago was I was doing a free-for-all Friday where people can call in and debate me about anything. And somebody called in and said, do dogs go to heaven? And I made a joke and I said, well, I don’t know about dogs going to heaven, but I do know all cats go to hell, right? Oh, geez. Oh, geez. email just coming through like oh they were furious with me i’m sure so and i i made it worse i tried to i go oh come on everybody i said you know don’t don’t get so upset i said i love cats i really do and then i said with a little bit of barbecue sauce they’re great oh it took me weeks to recover from some of my audience oh man i’m almost afraid to go down the insult cats road
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, one other thing, and I didn’t know this until just reading some things on this particular topic. The U.S. Medal of Honor, which is the highest honor a soldier can achieve, while the design varies depending upon the military branch, the Roman goddess… Minivera almost always makes an appearance considering she is the goddess of war. This connection makes sense. Again, Bob, there’s all sorts of things that we use on a routine basis that, by the way, nobody that would ever receive a U.S. Medal of Honor would even put those two and two together. Neither should we put Easter and all of this paganism with those two and two together as well. I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
So let’s not get so overly legalistic that we now somehow feel that we can’t touch anything. John, the thing is, there’s listeners right now, I guarantee you, there’s some listeners that don’t celebrate Easter or Christmas because of the pagan origins issue. Right. And they’re going, well, no, I just don’t care. We’re not supposed to go the way of the pagan or whatever. And I just say to them, with all due respect, you can’t dismiss the stuff we were talking about earlier about how everything in our life, for the most part, has pagan origins. So if you are not going to celebrate Christmas because of the pagan origins connected to it, then why are you wearing a wedding ring? Why do you have a grave headstone? Why do you have a calendar on your wall? And why are you telling time by the solar calendar instead of the lunar? Why are you doing that? Because those are all pagan. And so if you’re not going to stop doing those, then why don’t you consider yourself sinning and feel like you have to stop coloring the Easter eggs?
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SPEAKER 03 :
You know something, John? You are making my eye twitch with a hot button issue for me. And I’ll tell you why, okay? My wife and I, we’ve been married, it’ll be 41 years this May, okay? We met in a restaurant, waiter and waitress, okay? And we started dating each other. So I know what it’s like to be a waiter. I know what it’s like to live on tips. And before I was a Christian… I remember I used to hate working Sunday afternoons because I didn’t want the after church crowd. You didn’t want the church crowd. Because the after church crowd, they were – first of all, they would change their seats, okay, which is really rude to the waiter or waitress, all right? They were dismissive. It’s like, excuse me, can I get your attention, please? I’m trying to find out what you want to order, okay, because they’re all – Very rude. And then, yes, the tip. Oh, I might get a token dollar. Oh, but here’s a little track. You need Jesus.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, yeah. What was the guy’s name? Chick. What’s his last name?
SPEAKER 03 :
Chick tract.
SPEAKER 02 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 03 :
Jack trick. I think it was. Okay. But anyway, no, we need to recognize, let’s be good witnesses. This is excellent witnessing opportunity in restaurants.
SPEAKER 02 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
They know when it’s the after church crowd. Absolutely. So you know what that means? We need to be their most favorite customers to wait on. And I’ll tell you something, John, I’m a good tipper in a restaurant anyway. Me too. Typically, I will – it’s very rare I will ever tip under 25 percent.
SPEAKER 02 :
Me too. I’m you, Bob. I’m you.
SPEAKER 03 :
I’m usually 25 to 30 percent. But on Sunday afternoon, I’m typically somewhere between 30 and 50 percent as far as a tipper goes. Good. Because I’m sitting there thinking to myself, how much am I really spending today? I mean, stop and think this through a second. If you’re in a restaurant and you have lunch and it’s like, okay, let’s say, it’s not going to be that expensive unless it’s a nice restaurant, but let’s say you’re spending whatever for you and your wife, 50, 60 bucks on lunch, okay? Which is not bad for a lunch, all right? And so if you leave them 15%, that’s seven and a half dollars, all right? If you leave them 30%, that’s 15 bucks. Well, I’m thinking to myself, if it’s Sunday afternoon, And I’m going to leave them $15 anyway. Why not just go ahead and leave $20 or even $25? It’s an extra $5 or $10 to send a message of, wow, look how decent these churchgoing people are.
SPEAKER 02 :
And thank them as well, Bob, verbally.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, exactly. Thank you. I appreciate the job that you’re doing. My point is, be nice. When the waiter or waitress comes to your table, be aware. Hey, shut up, everybody. Let’s give her attention. Yeah, yes. I’ll take this. I’ll take this. Let’s not be rude. Let’s not change seats. When they come out, they’re holding the food and their hands are burning because they’re holding hot plates. They’re going, excuse me, excuse me. Who had the BLT? Who had the BLT? We’re all busy going, oh, I know. Jesus loves you. I know because we’re talking with each other. It’s like, no, shut up, guys. The waitress is standing here with the plates. Okay, come on, everybody. I’m that guy. Come on, let’s go. Who had the BLT? That’s right. John, you’re preaching my language right now.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and my point with it being Easter, of course, is because, again, to your point earlier, Bob, A lot of these workers, they will even have extra staff on these days because they know they’re big days. They’re you know, they’ll do a lot of, you know, Sunday brunches and restaurants will even do things specific along those lines. And, you know, I can tell at times I’ve been to some of these things and I look at some of the workers faces and they’re just like dreading the entire day because they know what they’re going to go through. And I don’t want them to have that experience. I want them to have the opposite experience of that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. And this is a chance for us to do this. It’s a chance for us to bring the church into this setting. And waiters and waitresses get beat up all the time. They get run around all the time. And so for them to be loved on, we have a chance to do this, and we’re not going to do it. To me, that’s crazy. So no, let’s see.
SPEAKER 02 :
But we want them, you know, this is my feeling on it. They already know that we’re Christians. You’re typically dressed up a little differently. You’re going to have some church conversations about the service and different things and so on. And that’s typically what happens in these particular settings, even husband and wife. If it’s just a couple, there’s going to be some of that that goes on. You know, so what I want, though, is when I’m leaving, I want those people to say, I want that. How do I get that? How can I become that? You know, how can I make that in my life? That’s what I want them to feel when I leave. I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, hey, don’t just leave a track, folks. Yeah, that doesn’t do any good, by the way.
SPEAKER 02 :
Most of the time it’s going to go in the trash and they’re going to be very upset because you left that and a buck.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right. That’s right. And we got to remember, too, Jesus really did rise from the dead. And if he – not to push us more theological here, but if you think about it, if Jesus did not rise from the dead, the Apostle Paul made it clear, our faith is in vain. But if he did rise from the dead, then this is real. Because you know what we gotta remember? Of all the world religions, okay, there’s Jesus and there’s everybody else. Because Muhammad, Buddha, Krishna, Confucius, going down the line, every single one of them, regular human beings who lived, who died, who stayed dead, rotted in a grave. Jesus walked out of the grave after three days. And if he did, and he did, if he did, then we gotta take seriously what he said. And the only way to go to heaven is by accepting him as Lord and Savior, being forgiven of your sins, and basically giving your life to Jesus Christ. I mean, that is the only way to go to heaven. So really quick, Bob, what would you say— Did he really rise from the dead?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, yes, he did. I’m sorry? It’s here before the end of the program. What would you say? Because you’re the best at this out of even the three of us, myself, Neal, and you. You’re the best at this. What do you tell those people where they just say, you know, those are nice stories, but how do you back that up? How do you know he really rose from the grave?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, oh boy, I’ll tell you what. You know, I do apologetics on this a lot. On my show, I’m doing a series this whole week on the left brain logical historical evidences to prove Jesus rose from the dead. And if I can get in a shameless plug, my top 10 proofs, one of my top 10 proofs topics is top 10 proofs for the resurrection of Jesus Christ. Go to top10proofs.com and order some of these for yourself. But, no, there are so many evidences for this. Here’s what we’ve got to remember in a nutshell. Jesus rising from the dead, this isn’t just something that was mythology or folklore that developed. This was documented by multiple eyewitnesses who were there who wrote down about the accounts and published the accounts of his resurrection during the lifetimes of eyewitnesses that were there that could refute it. Jesus stayed on the earth after he rose from the dead for 40 days. He appeared to several people, including 500 brethren at one time. Okay. And you add to this, there are no writings anywhere from 2000 years ago of the skeptics saying this isn’t true. He didn’t rise from the dead. So you have to look at, even if you look at secular Roman history, secular Roman history from people like Flavius Josephus, from people like Cornelius Tacitus, Pliny the Younger, the Roman governor of Bithynia, they documented how after Jesus was crucified, something happened to cause this movement of worshiping him as the resurrected Lord to explode all throughout the Roman Empire. If Jesus didn’t rise from the dead, he was proven a fraud. And if he’s proven a fraud, there’s no way in the world That you’re going to have thousands upon thousands, tens of thousands of people over the next several decades believing that he rose from the dead.
SPEAKER 02 :
And in some cases, Bob, giving their life for that belief.
SPEAKER 03 :
That’s right. Unless they actually saw him or they know someone who saw him. But if he didn’t rise from the dead, nobody saw him. Nobody’s got secondhand accounts. And I’m sorry, the disciples would not allow themselves to be tortured and killed for something that they know is a lie. And if he didn’t rise from the dead, they know it’s a lie themselves.
SPEAKER 02 :
The other thing we forget at times with some of the history, and we talked about Christ and being all human and so on, the other thing we forget about is these are blue-collar guys. I mean, with the exception of maybe one or two of them, they’re blue-collar guys. And to your point a moment ago, do you think a bunch of blue-collar guys, if they knew something wasn’t real, would give their life for it?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know what? Nobody gives their life for anything if they know it isn’t real. And the disciples, they weren’t the bravest people in the world, okay? They were pretty cowardly. When Jesus was arrested, they scattered. Peter, it was like, I don’t even know him, denied him three times, okay? You might say, well, Peter was the most of the cowardly. No, he was actually the bravest of the disciples. He’s one of the most bold. He’s the only one who had the guts to get out of the boat and try to walk on the water with Jesus. That’s right. And the bravest one didn’t have the guts to acknowledge it. But Jesus dies after four days, five days, two weeks. He’s proven a fraud. And now suddenly Peter and the rest of the disciples are going to get so bold that they will be tortured and killed for something that they know is a scam?
SPEAKER 02 :
Come on. Those guys would have been in hiding.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly.
SPEAKER 02 :
Let alone preaching the resurrection right there in Jerusalem. They wouldn’t have been out preaching the gospel. They wouldn’t have been giving their lives for that belief system if it hadn’t happened, is my point.
SPEAKER 03 :
And Saul of Tarsus would have been proven right and be gloating in his victory when Jesus didn’t rise from the dead. Yet something happened to cause Saul of Tarsus to convert and become the Apostle Paul. So come on. James, who’s Jesus’ brother, didn’t believe that Jesus was the Son of God. I understand that. Who believes their brother is the Son of God, okay? But something happened after Jesus was crucified to cause James to worship his own brother as the risen Lord. What happened other than the resurrection to explain these things? I defy anybody to come up with an answer.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, and for those of you that would have that type of an attitude, I would encourage you, because what happens when you start researching these things to try to prove your point of view, you’ll find very quickly that you’re wrong, and you might have a whole renewed faith or a new faith that you never had before after researching this. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
And by the way, can I just say one final thing, John? Because I know we’re coming up on the end of this, but we talked about the resurrection. But if I can go back just three days to Good Friday, we talked about the spiritual anguish that Jesus took on the sin, but even just the physical part of it itself. Think about the pain that he was experiencing just in his physical body. When he’s God, he doesn’t have to feel physical human pain, and he did. And a lot of people don’t realize when you’re on a cross, that’s not like some sanded board from Home Depot. This thing would have slivers on it that would be ripping.
SPEAKER 02 :
These guys were masters at this, Bob.
SPEAKER 03 :
It was already ripped back. Oh, I know. And remember, people on crosses would asphyxiate. They would hang down and they couldn’t breathe. So you had to push yourself up with your feet so your back’s sliding against that rough board on the back with his back being whipped. And that’s the reason that they broke the legs of people on crosses because it was getting to sundown and they couldn’t – they wouldn’t push themselves up and keep themselves alive anymore. So they would – To get breast, they would break their legs. That’s why they didn’t break Jesus’ legs, because he was dead, clearly. But what he gave for us physically, let alone spiritually, the anguish, that’s how much God loves us. And if people don’t know Jesus Christ as their Savior, they need to get that fixed right now, John. They need to know, I want to get right with God. It’s not about doing more decent things.
SPEAKER 02 :
it’s about accepting jesus christ humbling yourself and asking him to forgive you of your sins that’s the only way to go to heaven john people need to know you’re absolutely right bob absolutely speaking of all of that the other uh folks that i say folks babies that that god loves and christ loves are those that haven’t even been born yet they’re in the womb he created them in the womb by the way let’s not forget that i believe in life and conception and he’s made that happen And the reality is pre-born is allowing those conceptions, if you would, to come to full life.
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SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
Wow. Hey, thank you, John. What are you kidding? We appreciate everything that you do and that you bring to this and certainly that you do there in Denver as well. And you know what? All glory goes to God. That’s one thing I know all three of us agree on.
SPEAKER 02 :
Amen. Guys, with that, we’ll leave it with that. This has been the National Crawford Roundtable. Myself, John Rush, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan. Have a fabulous rest of your week, whether it’s Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, that you actually celebrate the Good Friday aspect. And then Happy Easter. He is risen. He is risen indeed. This is the National Crawford Roundtable.
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