As tensions rise between Israel and Iran, the roundtable members tackle the tough questions surrounding potential nuclear threats and the role of the United States. Amidst varying opinions and limited information, they explore the balance between military intervention and diplomatic measures. The podcast encourages listeners to consider the past and present scenarios, striving for informed decisions and actions that align with faith and global responsibilities. With additional insight into the impact of these decisions on international relations, tune in for an engaging and thought-provoking discussion.
SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
And another edition of the National Crawford Roundtable. I’m your host, John Rush, Denver, Colorado, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan, and Neil Boron from Buffalo, New York. Guys, good morning. No secret, we record this on Wednesday mornings. We said that numerous times, so good morning.
SPEAKER 01 :
Good morning. Good morning, John.
SPEAKER 03 :
And nothing to talk about today, by the way, guys. Nothing at all going on in the world. We have nothing going on here in the U.S. There’s just nothing to talk about today.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, it’s a pretty boring day.
SPEAKER 03 :
If only.
SPEAKER 05 :
How’d you guys sleep? I got myself a new pair of slippers.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, good, good. We can talk about that for an hour. Good to know, good to know. I don’t know about you guys, but my head’s spinning regarding national news stories, international, et cetera, added all together. I don’t even know. I have no idea how to cover stuff on my regular program, let alone here in a one-hour podcast.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, Neil, and let’s start with you. There’s a lot going on, of course, the war between, you know, Israel and Iran. And, you know, and I said this yesterday in my program, kind of like you, Neil, there’s so much going on that, you know, I’ve got my own thoughts on things and we’ll discuss some of those today with you too. But the reality is before anybody becomes, this is one thing I caution folks on, on both sides of the aisle, especially our side, before anybody becomes too judgmental on anything, should we be more involved? Should we be less involved? we don’t know everything going on behind the scenes we are not in the situation room we are not hearing all of the facts that are coming in you know to the situation room with donald trump and all the advisors to know exactly what the next move should or shouldn’t be personally do i feel like we need to be more involved or less involved i frankly don’t want us more involved because i don’t know what those repercussions are like but once again neil i will say i don’t have all the facts in front of me so i really can’t even say that at this point because i don’t know
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, it’s probably a good way to start the conversation with a little bit of humility on all of our parts, because we can only comment on what we’ve been told or what we’re seeing in the media. And all of us, I can say across the board, are not fans of the legacy media. So it’s what we’re able to garner from news reports, podcasts, private conversations with people in the know, whatever. But it’s a very uncertain time. And Trying to make legitimate comments about things that we don’t fully know about is always a little bit tenuous, but I think it’s important that we also look at history, we look at behaviors in the past, we look at tendencies, those kind of things, to be able to say, look, if everything plays out the way that it has in the past, this is what we think is going to happen, and yet we always do it with a measure of humility, hopefully, Lord willing. The only person who’s really, really in the know is Bob Duco because, you know, he’s got J.D. Vance and the Joint Chiefs calling him on a regular basis, saying, Bob, what is going on here? But, you know, other than that, we’ll talk about the stuff today, try to put the biblical perspective on it, not that all of us encompass all truth, but we want to point to Scripture, especially as it deals with Israel. You know, we’re going to talk about Israel and Iran today. But, John, I appreciate you bringing that up because I just think that whenever we talk about these kind of issues— our listeners should know that we’re in this thing with you. We’re all learning what’s going on around us and trying to respond accordingly as opposed to, Hey, we got all the answers and you should just listen to everything we have to say.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. Well, I appreciate that. And Bob, you know, everything Neil just said, Hey, appreciate him. Saying that, and again, Bob, unless you’ve got some insight, I don’t have. I mean, again, I’m not in the situation room. I don’t know what’s going on. I mean, I personally would prefer that we be less involved versus more involved backing up Israel. Absolutely, we need to do that. But am I one that says we need to go drop the ultimate bunker buster on Iran? I have mixed emotions about that. Yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
Hold on a second. Hold on, J.D. Okay. The guy keeps bugging me. Do you have other people to get advice from?
SPEAKER 01 :
Anyway.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, look. Everything you guys are saying about the qualifiers of our opinions is absolutely true. Okay. So – Do I have opinions on Iran and what I think we should be doing? Yeah, but it’s a qualified opinion only based on the limited information that we have. So any opinion that I have is absolutely subject to change if there’s information that I learn different. So based on the current information at hand, philosophically, John, I’m with you that less is better, less involvement is better. And it’s certainly Trump’s philosophy to not get entangled in any kind of war if we can avoid it. But if this is in fact a case where the Fordow nuclear facility, which is buried 260 feet down in a mountain in Iran and cannot be reached by Israeli missiles but can be reached by our bunker-busting missiles, if in fact they are continuing to spin their centrifuges and enrich uranium to nuclear bomb capacity levels – Then we have to ask ourselves, what happens if we do let Iran get a nuclear weapon? Because we can’t look at Iran the same way that we look at other countries, right? Because North Korea, Pakistan, China, India, Russia, okay, these nuclear countries are they at least don’t want mutually assured destruction. They at least want to live. But in Iran, these mullahs, they practice Shia Islam where they’re waiting for this 12th Imam, the Mahdi, to return. And one of the things that would usher his return is Armageddon, if you will. So they actually have a religious zeal to bring about Armageddon. They can’t go full scale against Israel without nuclear weapons because they know that Israel’s friends like us can turn them into a smoking crater. But if they do get nuclear weapons, I think there is a very real possibility that they say, let’s usher in the 12th Imam Mahdi now and go ahead and launch some nuclear weapons at Israel. And then if that happens, it theoretically could turn into a nuclear World War III. So with that said… I tend to lean toward thinking that we ought to go ahead and take out their Fordow facility and do whatever is necessary and give whatever backup is necessary to stop them from being able to develop a nuclear weapon. So that’s how I tend to look at it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, and on top of it, does anybody actually believe that if there’s, you know, quote, cooperating with sanctions that they’re actually not still working towards having nuclear capability? These are people that want to wipe Israel off the map. That’s the little Satan. And the U.S., that’s the great Satan. And, like, the effort here is to destroy the enemies of Islam in their minds. And, Bob, you described it so well, you know, the religious implications of what’s behind the thinking in Iran. And it’s a really tenuous and dangerous situation. But I don’t believe for a minute that they’re like, oh, you know what? We’re cooperating with sanctions. Baloney. There’s so much clandestine, covert stuff going on that every effort is being made in Iran to make sure they have full nuclear capability. And we need to be aware of that.
SPEAKER 05 :
Look, you’re absolutely right. We’ve got to remember, too, that joke of a nuclear deal that the Obama administration set up with Iran. Remember, that deal specifically said that Iran was allowed to openly create a nuclear weapon in 10 to 15 years. Okay, well, guess what? We’re there. And so that was – but it also – It also said that they were allowed – you know, we had to give weapons inspectors. Well, okay. But Iran said we don’t want U.S. inspectors and we want a 30-day advance notice and we want to be able to extend it to 60 days beyond the 30. So they really negotiated a way to get 90 days to clean up everything in the meantime. And they were allowed to keep on enriching uranium and spinning their centrifuges. And Fordow was allowed to keep operating. That was a joke of a deal. And I think that’s right. Trump was right to tear it up. And I think Trump is right to – to say somehow, some way, we actually cannot let them have a nuclear weapon. And John, I know we got a lot more to talk about regarding this, but I do want to say this podcast is sponsored, folks. We appreciate you folks supporting this podcast. One of our sponsors is Preborn. And you know what Preborn does? They save babies’ lives every day. They show ultrasound images of unborn babies to expectant moms in pro-life centers across the country. But you know what? It takes money to do this. And that’s where you folks come in. If you’ve given a pre-born already, thank you. God bless you. Would you consider giving again? Save some more babies’ lives. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby’s life when that mom sees a picture of her baby. How many babies’ lives will you save? take $28 times fill in the blank. Whatever that number is, that’s your forever legacy of the amount of abortions you’re stopping. And if you can buy an ultrasound machine, please do it. They’re 15 grand a piece, nice tax write-off for you, but you’re stopping thousands of abortions year after year. So here’s how you give. Go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on pre-born. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on pre-born. 100% of what you give goes to fund ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead. It’s all covered by private donors. You can also give over the phone at 833-850-BABY. That’s 833-850-BABY. Call now. Just mention National Crawford Roundtable when you call. And thanks for supporting Preborn. And thanks for supporting SunPower LED. Neil?
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Appreciate you guys talking about them. Great sponsors. And we need them to help us do what we do here to provide a lot of you with information that you may not get any other place. And again, we’re trying to even as we talk about the war between Israel and Iran, really trying to bring. different, how should I say this, go back to you, Bob, different ideas on how you should think through this. And right now, yes, currently, Representative Massey, he announced Monday evening he plans to introduce a bipartisan war powers resolution. In other words, he doesn’t want us to be involved in the Israel-Iran war at all. I disagree with that, by the way. I think that’s a bad move. I think that sends the wrong message. That’s not, in my opinion, Bob, something that that I would be for at all. And while I respect some of our representatives, there’s times with Robert Mass or Thomas Massey, I should say, where I just shake my head at the guy and say, what in the world are you doing? Because at the end of the day, I mean, I know where he’s going with this. And there’s a lot of, you know, quote unquote, libertarians and people that think along those lines. Bob, that don’t want us involved in this any way, shape, or form. But you said earlier so brilliantly that it may come to the point where we have no choice.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know. Well, look, we got to think of this like chess. I mean, anybody who knows how to play chess knows you never play one move at a time. You play 10 moves at a time. You anticipate what’s going to happen next and what are the next steps. Well, we got to play this out with Iran. If Iran gets a nuclear weapon, Are they just going to sit on that and not utilize it against Israel? I don’t believe that’s the case. Iran having a nuclear weapon is not the same thing as any other country having a nuclear weapon. They are completely different because of the religious zeal of the Ayatollah and the Mullahs there. So if they take a nuclear weapon and let’s say they manage to ship it to Hamas or Hezbollah because they probably wouldn’t shoot it directly from Iran. Because the Golden Dome would have a good chance of shooting it down. However, all they got to do is sneak it to Hamas and Hezbollah somehow, some way, and then have them set off a nuclear weapon right inside of Israel.
SPEAKER 03 :
They could also go to container ships with delivery systems that could go to really pretty much anywhere in the world, including the United States of America. Including the U.S., that’s right. For all of you clowns out there that don’t think this stuff can happen, trust me, it can.
SPEAKER 05 :
And then what happens when a nuclear weapon goes off, okay, and Iran detonated it? It’s now a whole new world. That’s right. It’s now a whole new move. And we have no choice at that point but to completely decimate Iran. I don’t think Donald Trump would counter with nuclear weapons. But the bottom line, we now have a nuclear war that’s been established. And I think everybody’s going to sit around and go – We had a chance to stop them militarily from going nuclear. We had a chance to take out their Fordow facility and we didn’t because we wanted to stay out of it. No, I don’t want to look back and say we had a chance to stop them from going nuclear and we passed it up.
SPEAKER 03 :
Agree. And Neil, one of the things that I do think they’re going through in the situation room right now, believe me, this one I can almost guarantee you, I’m not a betting man, but I would bet on this one, that they are literally looking at every single alternative along the lines of what Bob is talking about. How do we stop these guys from doing what they’re doing? How do we How do we, you know, how do we crush this facility that they’re making, you know, spinning in? I should say that’s probably the best way for me to say that. You know, is it something that the Mossad could go in and take care of on their own? Do they need our help to make this happen? I firmly believe that they probably do. Is there a slight chance that the Mossad could go in and actually do something? Maybe, Neil, but at the end of the day… I don’t know. And again, these are things that I guarantee are being talked about right now. They’re looking at every single option because I firmly believe this goes against what a lot of the anti-Trump folks think. He is not a warmonger. He has proven over and over and over again, Neil, that he wants us out of these situations, not in them. He is probably going to be more, I think I’m safe to say this, Neil, he will be more careful in getting us into some sort of a conflict along these lines than probably any other president past or possibly even in the future, Neil, just because he doesn’t want us in one if we can avoid it.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree. And I don’t know if what I’m about to say is controversial, but I’m quoting the Wall Street Journal editorial from a day or two ago and said, Iran’s leaders are hoping Mr. Trump will come to their rescue with more delaying diplomacy. which proves literally that Donald Trump is not a warmonger, that he is looking for other options, sanctions or whatever, diplomacy to help resolve all of this. But this editorial I’m referring to talked about Joe Biden’s presidency and the decline that began when he abandoned Afghanistan to the Taliban and how that led to conflicts in Ukraine and in Gaza, et cetera, and that Donald Trump now has an opportunity to reverse all of that and leave a legacy that says hey this is not what we’re going to be about as mr trump has said many times it says in this article iran iran can end the israeli assault by agreeing to roll up its nuclear program dismantle its enrichment capacity under international supervision destroy its centrifuges and allow for unhindered future inspections iran’s refusal to do so even as it risks losing much of its non-nuclear military power and top commanders shows that the regime wants a nuclear weapon more than it wants peace. And that plays into what Bob was talking about earlier. This is not your average country. These guys are all about dominance and obliteration. They want to obliterate Israel and the United States of America. They’re making no bones about it. This isn’t like, hey, we want a nuclear weapon so that we will have deterrence against others who might try to you know, come against us. No, it’s we’re going to destroy Israel and the United States of America when we get a nuclear weapon. And that’s why we have to act now.
SPEAKER 05 :
And they don’t mind dying in the process. These are suicide bombers.
SPEAKER 04 :
Exactly right.
SPEAKER 05 :
Islamic jihadists that don’t mind blowing themselves up also while blowing up the U.S. and Israel.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, so Bob, walk us through. Let’s say they can’t figure out a way for the Mossad to take out Fordow and get that particular problem, which is the biggest problem in front of them right now. That is the elephant in the room that they’re trying to figure out how to deal with, in my opinion. That’s literally what they’re looking at and trying to determine. let’s just say that, you know, the next day or two could even happen today. We dump our, you know, our drop, I should say, our 30,000 pound, you know, bunker buster, a couple of those that are, you know, by the way, we’re the only country in the world that has that ability to actually make that happen. And no, Donald Trump has even said for all of you listening, no, we just don’t loan those things to other countries. We’re not going to be free from being involved by just saying, okay, we’ll teach your pilots how to fly the B-52 and you guys can go drop this. No, Bob, you and I, I’ve heard people say that even, Bob, and it’s like, That is the most unintelligent thing anybody could ever say, because reality is it’s not going to happen. We’re not going to give our secrets up to anyone, including Israel, by allowing it to happen. So if that were to happen, we have to be the ones, our pilots, our bombs, our bombers have to be the ones initiating that. So let’s say that that actually happens. What’s the fallout, Bob?
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, obviously, the big concern, I think, for Trump and for the U.S. is how the moderate Middle Eastern nations will respond to this. Because Saudi Arabia is kind of a, quote, unquote, our friend, certainly more friendly with us than Iran. But they do still share the Islamic thing. And so I
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, but they’re kind of enemies on that end of things as well, if you really want to get down to it.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know, and they are, and they are. China and Russia would hate this.
SPEAKER 03 :
China loses, by the way, really quick for everybody listening, China in the conflict going on right now loses more than any other nation because they’re buying 90% of Iran’s oil.
SPEAKER 05 :
That’s right. And by the way, can I tell you something? Vladimir Putin loses large too because Iran is a huge military customer for Russia. That’s right. And so right now, Iran is not buying all the products from Russia that they would like to buy too. So Russia and China are both really hurt by this. Now, you know, I think that the fallout ends up being that you get maybe the worst case scenario, you get maybe some UN resolution condemning the United States, or you get some Middle Eastern nations that say, we’re not happy with this. You have really, really nasty tweets from Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin. But I don’t think anybody’s going to take us to war for this. I don’t think anybody’s going to stick their own country’s neck out on behalf of Iran. Even German’s chancellor said, you know what? Israel really is doing the dirty work for all of us right now.
SPEAKER 03 :
OK, so I believe in really quick if people don’t want to if people don’t want to believe that, Bob, this is another topic. We could even do probably an entire podcast on this. But if what you if what you and I and Neil are saying right now weren’t true, why is it that there’s no other Arab nations taking in Palestinian Hamas refugees?
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, right. Proving your point. That is a very fair point. So, no, I think it would be – I think there would be some tension. There would be some saber rattling. But at the end of the day, I think when the dust settles, I think most people around the world are going to go, you know what? The world’s a safer place than it was before because a four-dough plant was taken out.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and my advice to people that would be following some of this, if in fact this were to happen, you’re going to see some countries like Saudi Arabia condemn – that action and this that and the other and by the way publicly they don’t have a choice they have to do those things bob and neil because at the end of the day if they don’t you know their fellow countrymen are going to be upset with them so they have they have no choice and by the way they would even tell donald trump that on the front saying hey by the way we’re going to make this announcement it’s not really the way we look at things but you know we got to do this just to save face but at the end of the day thanks you just took care of our our evil cousin that we didn’t want around anyway so at the end of the day we’re all better off for it neil what are your thoughts along those lines
SPEAKER 04 :
evil cousin. I’m thinking about cousin Eddie and movie vacation. I’m sorry. Um, This article in the Wall Street Journal, and again, this is the Wall Street Journal. This isn’t like a Republican rag. This is not a PR machine for Donald Trump. But it said, the world takes a measure of every new president. In other words, the world is evaluating every new U.S. president. Even one like Mr. Trump, who served before. He campaigned for re-election as a peacemaker. And the U.S. adversaries are looking to see what that means for how Trump will respond tomorrow. to pressure and strategic threats, if the U.S. won’t help one of its strongest and most loyal allies, being Israel, won’t help them finish the job of eliminating Iran’s nuclear threat in uncontested airspace, the message to China will be that there is no chance the U.S. will defend Taiwan, and everyone will see it, including the Kremlin.
SPEAKER 05 :
And you know what? That’s such an important point, too, because Trump, everybody knows Trump is going to be the strongest supporter of Israel, of any president there is. And if Trump won’t even rise to that occasion, then you’re right. It does send a message to China that we’re kind of a paper tiger. There’s only so far we’ll go.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s interesting because I almost got the feeling reading this op-ed, this was written by the editorial board at the Wall Street Journal, that they were almost like not baiting per se, but persuading Trump to say, get involved here. Like, we need you to do something because the world is watching. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
On the flip side too, just as a side note to all the people that are out there that think we spend far too much money on our own military and all of that. And yes, we have a huge budget. It’s almost a trillion dollars a year that we spend on our military. But when you look at, and there’s a lot of these stats rolling around right now because of everything that’s happening over in Israel. But really quick, Bob, if you just look at the differences in what we have as a country in relation to overall firepower, the size of our of our Air Force, the size of our Army. Our Navy, by the way, is the fourth largest Air Force in the world. And that’s our Navy. I mean, you start looking at these things, Bob, and we dwarf everybody else out there. And it makes me wonder at times, Other countries that threaten us. Why? Why would you do that?
SPEAKER 05 :
I know because they don’t think that we really have the resolve to, you know, we carry a big stick, but they don’t think that we’ll use it. And they need to know that we will, in fact, use it. Look, Trump has the same peace through strength philosophy that Ronald Reagan had. Trump’s desire is to not get into a military conflict with someone. And the best way to not get into a military conflict is to intimidate and scare the daylights out of them and make them afraid to get into that conflict with us.
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SPEAKER 03 :
Thank you, Neil. And what I would suggest, some of you out there listening are probably thinking, well, okay, there’s not much we can do. I guess we just sit back and watch and we’ll see how things unfold. And guys, I know you would agree with me on this. No, there is a lot we can actually do. The cabinet, the advisors, Donald Trump himself, even those leaders in Israel, we can pray for them, pray for wisdom that they would make the right decisions at the end of the day. These will have worldwide implications. People will die, of course. That’s what happens in war they’re dying as we speak and we are a lover of people when it’s all said and done guys it’s why we you know support pre-born and some of the other things that we do across the crawford network so at the end of the day folks yes there are things you can do pray for them pray for their you know their their guidance for their wherewithal for the long nights where they’re spending an entire night in the situation room pray for strength for them and at the end of the day you know what we’ll see how it all turns out but that’s what you guys as listeners and christians can do. That is the first half of the National Crawford Roundtable.
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SPEAKER 03 :
All right, second half, National Crawford Roundtable. Welcome. I’m your host, John Rush. We’ve got Neil Borum with us today, of course, and Bob Duco out of Detroit, Michigan. Guys, we spent the first half, and if you guys are just, you know, maybe listening to the second half or depending upon how you, you know, break up the podcast itself. We talked in the first half about the war between Israel and Iran and don’t have all of the answers. We’ll have to just see how things work out there. But one thing that made the news over the weekend. In fact, this was sort of going on while I was on air on Saturday. I didn’t have all the details, which made it really difficult. We found out more on Sunday than, of course, on Monday. And that was the Minnesota killer. I hate mentioning killers’ names, so I won’t. But the Minnesota killer that literally was stalking politicians, killed two of them. I think he had a list. Bob, I’ll start with you. He had a list of about… 40 names. And this is, of course, much closer to you than it is me, given that you’re right next door in a state next door. But I mean, what possesses somebody to do what this guy did? And by the way, I will say first off as well, there’s those out there that would love to put this guy on the conservative side and paint him into our circle, into our corner. I’m not ever claiming this guy, Bob, or anybody like him.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, absolutely not. First of all, I do – and I said this on my show. I would caution conservatives in social media and even conservatives in the media not to automatically play the game of doing everything possible to put him in the liberal camp either because sometimes –
SPEAKER 03 :
I agree with that.
SPEAKER 05 :
People have said, well, he had these no-kings flyers in his car, and he was appointed to two different boards in the state by Democrat governors. And so, therefore, we don’t know if he’s – Governors traditionally appoint hundreds and hundreds of Republicans and Democrats to those boards. So that’s not an indication that he’s in lockstep with the liberals. And it looks like the no kings thing was kind of a trolling kind of thing to do because the fact is he was a registered Republican. Everybody that knows him says that he was a Trump supporter. He did vote for Donald Trump. And he was a part-time pastor who went over to the Congo doing missionary work. So we can’t sweep that under the rug. It does appear that this guy politically was on the conservative side. Something happened to cause him to snap. I don’t know what that is. And people need to be praying for certainly the family relationship. of the former House leader in Minnesota and her husband who died, and certainly the state senator and his wife who were shot and thankfully survived, okay? This is a horrible tragedy. It’s wrong. It’s evil. And we need to be consistent. What I said on my show was that if this had been some liberal Democrat who gunned down some Republicans, I’d say that guy needs a death penalty. Well, guess what? I said exactly the same thing. This guy needs a death penalty. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yet look at the March for Life in Washington, D.C. every January when you have tens of thousands, sometimes hundreds of thousands of conservatives there that are Christians. You don’t see any police in riot gear because it’s not necessary. So this was an anomaly. It was a freakish thing. But we need to be consistent. We need to pray for the victims involved.
SPEAKER 03 :
Neil, and this, I don’t know how to say this in a nice way, and I’m going to be very careful in my words and how I say this, but when I saw this particular gentleman and I saw some of his background and I saw some of what he did, and I’m sorry, I have to say this, and I haven’t said this on my own program, so this will be the first time that I say this here. Neil, growing up the way I did in a very legalistic, you know, that church setting and so on, I will tell you that I have run into guys like this in the past in my upbringing. And I always had in the back of my mind, this guy is out there. He is an absolute weirdo. Yes, I get it. He’s in, you know, the church and he claims to be doing all these things for the Lord and this, that and the other. But there’s just somewhere in there a screw loose. And I’m sorry, Neil, when I look at this guy and I look at his eyes, I think the same thing all over again.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And I’m sorry to say that. Well, and you’re just a human being speaking what’s on your heart. That’s what we’re supposed to do here on the roundtable is just talk about what we feel. And, you know, I don’t know why I’m going to say this, but when I was a student at Boston University, I took a communication 101 course and I was just getting into the School of Communications my junior year, finally had the grades to try to get into that school. And they made me take this course which in many ways was um a statistics course of all things and and i learned about the bell curve and you know a bell curve if you’ve ever seen it analytically has the outline extremes you know to the left and to the right you’ve got positive and negative extremes whenever there’s a bell curve and the the middle is where the median is or whatever and and You know, on both sides of the equation, you’re going to get crazy people that do crazy things. I don’t have any idea what would motivate someone to do this. But, you know, he’s been referred to in some ways as a pro-life evangelical. Bob, you mentioned he was a pastor, or maybe he was, you know, had some kind of license.
SPEAKER 05 :
He was a missionary working in the Congo and preaching in churches.
SPEAKER 04 :
At his own ministry, yeah.
SPEAKER 05 :
And had a seminary degree.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, so then we automatically, oh, well, he was a man of the cloth, right? Okay. Well, who knows? But the point is mental illness is real. I think that somewhere along the line, mental illness played into this. I remember many years ago in my own neighborhood, I was walking with a local cop who became a friend, ultimately accepted Christ. I had the joy of baptizing him, but I would walk, you know, four or five miles a day with him and just talk. And he was a wonderful brother in Christ. Well, he ended up being somebody that was intimately involved in going after James Copp who shot an abortionist in Buffalo. James Kopp was supposedly pro-life, and he snuck into our city, came from out of town, set himself outside the house, and then assassinated this abortionist by shooting him through the window of his back of his home. And my buddy that I was walking with was involved in that investigation. I’m sorry, but you’re not pro-life if you kill someone. I don’t care how pro-life you call yourself, you’re not pro-life. And we have to stand up against this. So whatever the ideology, like if… If a liberal killed a liberal, should we be happy that one less liberal exists? No. I mean, we’re all created in the image of God. Jesus died for each and every one of us, and I think we need to condemn it no matter where we see that kind of violence. Absolutely unacceptable.
SPEAKER 03 :
Neil, talk to us about SunPowerLED while we’re here, and then we can dovetail what you just said with Preborn as well.
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
And Bob, when it comes to the things Neil was talking about earlier in regards to respect for life, yeah, pre-born dovetails right into that.
SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
Really quick before we continue on, I guess there was a tweet that just went out really quick, guys, in regards to our last half-hour topic in regards to Iran and Israel, where a reporter asked Donald Trump, what do you say to the Supreme Leader of Iran after he said they will not surrender? Trump said, I say, good luck. In other words, yeah, he’s not going to mess around, let’s just say that. But back to this whole situation in Iran. Minnesota. And again, guys, I’ve read very little on this. These sorts of things just, I don’t know, I guess they just bother me to the core to know that there’s people out there that would even think the way this guy thought. I mean, this guy had a literally a Bob, a laundry list, if you would, of people that he was going to go after. Why he didn’t continue on, you never know. We may never know. I’m with you, though. This guy needs to be punished and gets, you know, he should have the death penalty just like anybody else that would do what this particular person did. At the end of the day, to Neil’s point, what causes this? Honestly, Bob, I don’t know. Something cracked with this guy, although I will say this. When did it crack? Because you don’t do these things on a whim. This guy had this thing all planned out, everything from the uniform to the car to putting lights on the car to on and on we go. The only thing that’s weird about this that I do want to throw out there that I just think is odd that no one, by the way, on either side of the aisle is talking about. This guy’s supposedly a great Christian, evangelical, has a ministry, family man. Then why is he living in a weirdo apartment with some fat guy next door? Sorry to say it that way, but why?
SPEAKER 05 :
John, I was asking the same question. There’s more to the story that… Isn’t something is it just make something doesn’t add up, Bob? He’s got five kids. He’s got a wife. He’s got whatever. Why in the world is he paying rent to spend some of his nights in some rundown house with some fat guy? And it’s not just him. There’s other people that were part time roommates as well.
SPEAKER 03 :
What are you doing over there? I mean, no offense, Bob. And I’ve I’ve had different businesses and different things to where, you know, I had at one point in time, two different locations. They were 60 miles apart. It was an hour drive each way. I never once spent the night in the city that was an hour away. I got up earlier in the morning and I drove and I drove further home at night. And I did that for six months straight to get this new location up and running back in about 2000. And the reality is I never once spent a night in that other city nor spent a night in the store for that matter. I came home to my family every single night because that’s what you do as a dad. None of this makes sense, Bob.
SPEAKER 05 :
I know. There’s something weird that’s woven into the DNA of the story that I just don’t know what it is. But what I do know is, though, that we must condemn what he did, that it’s wrong, and that we don’t sweep it under the rug. We don’t try to make excuses for it. But we also, at the same time, don’t allow people to say, well, see, it’s right-wing rhetoric, left-wing rhetoric. It’s all 50-50. It’s not 50-50. When something like this happens, it’s a weird, freakish anomaly that goes against the grain of what we’re used to seeing. When violence happens on the left, it’s just another day in America. I mean, I hate to say it. That’s right. It’s not 100 percent to zero percent. It doesn’t justify or minimize the violence that happens on the right. What I’m saying is I’m not going to let somebody try to paint the picture as 50-50. I won’t lie and say it’s 100-0. But what I will say is typically left-wing rhetoric produces way more violence in America than this kind of stuff that we saw here, as evil and wrong as it is.
SPEAKER 03 :
And Neil, really quick, I mean, going back to the whole just some of this stuff doesn’t add up. Again, I’m with Bob. I’m not trying to make excuses. This guy could be a solid church-going, hardcore conservative, although I find that hard to believe because if you were, you wouldn’t be doing what he did. And I agree with everything Bob just said. On the same token, I do want to bring up these questions as to what’s this guy doing? None of it adds up. I want more information. Not that I’m going to give this guy – you know, any kind of a pass, any way, shape, or form. I’m not. He needs to be punished to the full extent of the law no matter what, Neil. But at the end of the day, I want to know more because it just doesn’t add up.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, the Word of God tells us that the heart of man is deceitful above all else. It’s desperately wicked. Who can know it? And I think, honestly, in the body of Christ, there is a system by which we’re almost encouraged to wear a mask. How many times have you gone to church on Sunday? By the way, you’re fighting with your wife on the way to church. One of the kids. Yeah, yeah. And you walk in the door and somebody’s like, hey, how are you? Oh, good, good. Praise God. How are you? I’m good. Are you good? Yeah, we’re good. OK, so like we’re famous for wearing masks.
SPEAKER 05 :
And, you know, I mean, except during COVID, except during a good one.
SPEAKER 04 :
Sorry, my bad. My bad. Go ahead. I mean, just recently here in the last week or two, Michael Tate discovered, you know, he stepped down as lead singer of Newsboys, Newsboys, an institution in Christian music, but said, I’ve been living a double life for years and I need help. And praise God, he’s getting help, like get him some help. But it was shocking. People were shocked. Wait a minute. The lead singer of Newsboys is you know, addicted to substances and involved in things he shouldn’t have been doing. Okay, right. He was living a double life and he needs to repent. But in some subtle ways, we all do that. So just the fact that this guy’s like a pastor, he’s quote, an evangelical, quote, pro-life, whatever. I mean, he sees these labels, but is he really who we think he is? And does he even know his own heart? God knows his heart. And I think sometimes the veil gets lifted and things are revealed. And no matter what, I believe mental illness was somewhere involved in this story. But all the reasons that you said, John, you were uncomfortable, and Bob, you had questions too. What in the world? It doesn’t make sense. And if our intuition, and I believe sometimes it’s the discernment of the Holy Spirit directly, says something’s not right with this, then we need to pay attention because something isn’t right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, and again, and Neil, by the way, thank you. I appreciate all that you said. And yes, definitely has to be a mental illness. You don’t take somebody, in my opinion, you don’t take somebody else’s life without having some sort of a screw loose in the first place. That’s my whole theory on things. But yeah, Bob, I mean, it’s just, again, the… What this guy was doing, let’s just say this for all of you that are on the left that would accuse the whole right of being this way. Number one, no, the whole right and all of conservatives and Christians aren’t like this guy. We don’t think that way. We don’t have any groupthink along those lines. The reality is we will condemn this all day long like the three of us are right now, Bob. But again, you do have to wonder and you do want to get to the bottom of, you know, where was this guy? What was going on in his head? Was he really who he’s like? Neil said, was he really who he said he was or was he somebody completely different?
SPEAKER 05 :
And ultimately, only God knows that, and only God really knows his heart. I’m open to the possibility that this guy was a poser and just never really accepted Jesus Christ and was just a guy who was basically playing Christian but really lived in the world. Okay. I’m also open to the possibility that he really accepted Jesus Christ, but he had mental illness. And you know what? Christians can break bones. Christians can get injuries. Christians can also have neurotransmitters in their brain misfiring and have mental illnesses too. I just don’t know. Christians can let themselves be filled with hate. Solomon went on to have all the wives that he had as well. Look what David did. A man after God’s own heart who had Bathsheba’s husband killed so he could take her. I’m open to the possibility that he was really a Christian who just snapped, backslid, went off the rails. That could be the case, too. I don’t know his heart. I can’t know his heart. God knows his heart. But we need to be certainly praying for the families of those that were injured and killed because it’s a horrific tragedy.
SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. And I’m always one too. And this is something that I wish our side actually did a better job of, or that, you know, we in the news world did a little bit better job of is, you know what, until you have all the facts, let’s not jump to too many conclusions on either side of the aisle, because the reality is all sorts of things could continue to come out. Now, the one thing too, and I’m not a conspiracy guy at all. You guys know that, but then you start wondering, okay, Will we ever really know the truth in all of this or will some things be, you know, covered up to make it look one way or the other? And, you know, Bob, I don’t have answers to that. Yeah, I mean, I don’t either.
SPEAKER 05 :
It’s just we got to remember, though, that there’s the reason that this stands out so much is because of the shock value of this. This is not the kind of thing that we see. You know, if I told you guys, hey, guess what? Breaking news. Bill Maher said the F word the other day. You wouldn’t think anything of it. But if I said Franklin Graham said the F word the other day, suddenly it becomes big news. And so this is contrary to what is normal. And that’s the reason why it gets the attention it does in the media. But also from those of us that are in conservative media because we’re willing to talk about these things openly and honestly.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yep, absolutely. Okay, let’s go really quick to, I know we got a few minutes left here of the podcast. Last weekend’s No Kings protest, I think they’re planning another one in July. By the way, has to be, in my opinion, Neil, I’ll start with you, one of the dumbest names ever because the No Kings protest actually happens on Independence Day. It’s called July 4th because that’s ultimately what we did. Back in the day was protesting kings. I just to me, the whole thing is just utter nonsense. I’ll always you know, I said this on my program. I’ll continue to say it. I will defend everybody’s right for a peaceful protest. It’s their First Amendment right. I get that. I will always defend that no matter how much of a knucklehead move I think it is now on the same token. And I think I’m going to throw this question to you guys because I posed this yesterday on my program. And it’s partly why I don’t go to protests, by the way. I don’t think I’ve ever been to one. Don’t think I ever will go to one, Neil. Because at the end of the day, do they really accomplish anything?
SPEAKER 04 :
Not much. I don’t think so. And I think that there was a, you know, there was an attempt to say, look at, look at the thousands who are turning out in so many cities around the country. They have this no Kings protest, which is just an anti-Trump protest. But that’s right. But, uh, the funny story about something that happened here in the Buffalo area. Now, I don’t know much about what happened in downtown Buffalo over the weekend. There was, you know, significant number of people that gathered, but in a little town called Williamsville, which is actually where I live, um, I live on the border of Williamsville. The heart of Williamsville, the village of Williamsville is real historic. It’s kind of upscale. And it’s got a pretty conservative base, probably basically a Democrat, you know, enclave. However, there’s some, you know, old fashioned, you know, red, white and blue kind of Americans that live in Williamsville. And so there’s this protest with a couple hundred people on both sides of Main Street in Williamsville, New York on Saturday. And I heard a story about a guy. I happen to know the guy who I’m not going to name him. But anyway, he pulls up to a red light during the protest, and they’ve all got the, you know, no king signs, and they’re all chanting things. He starts honking his horn, and he’s pumping his fist out the window, and they’re like, yeah, this is awesome. This is so great. And as soon as it quiets down, he goes, he honks again, and he goes, yes, make America great again. And all of a sudden, it turned, and it was F-bomb central. It was unbelievable. the hatred, the vitriol. But let me just say this. I’m with you on the idea that, hey, if you don’t like our government, you have the right to peacefully protest. So, you know, scream all you want, say whatever you want. I think common sense and truth prevail in the end, and people are going to look back at everything that was going on, you know, over the last weekend, but really over the last 10 years. And they’re going to say, what really makes sense here? What do we want for our lives in the future? Well, we want to be able to protest. Go ahead. But if no one’s really listening to you, then I think you ought to reevaluate where you’re coming from because people want to return to common sense. We want to return to true values that represent the vast majority of Americans, not all of us, but the vast majority. And I just think it was a big waste of time for most people, in my opinion.
SPEAKER 03 :
Bob, and, you know, there are a lot of people frustrated. And, you know, in fact, I would say this as well. A lot of people paid to be at these particular protests. That’s a proven fact. I’m not just saying that off the cuff. That’s a proven fact that a lot of folks were paid to actually be there. The other thing I found ironic, Bob, is the man on the street, interviews, which no, I did not do, but I watched a lot of them where people were literally asking these people, you know, what are you protesting? And to Neil’s point, he’s dead on the main theme. And about the only thing anybody could say was I hate Donald Trump.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 03 :
That was it.
SPEAKER 05 :
And by the way, if I can just on a, on a side unrelated note, um, You know, we do record this on Wednesday mornings, and there is breaking news this morning that Tennessee’s case where they banned transgender treatments on minors, okay? The Supreme Court ruled six to three that Tennessee is allowed to do that. So John Roberts got up on the right side of the bed. The three liberals, no surprise, supporting body mutilation for children. Wow.
SPEAKER 01 :
Anyway. Good stuff.
SPEAKER 05 :
You know what? You’re right. This is a I hate Donald Trump rally. This is really a bunch of spoiled brats saying we didn’t get our way. Our guy isn’t in charge and we don’t like it and we’re so mad. But this is a problem with Democrats and liberals in general. They can’t win a debate, an honest debate on the facts themselves. They have no choice but to make up anything. extra stuff about their opponent. And so therefore they look at Donald Trump and they say, well, he’s trying to be a king. Okay. Really? In what way? I would encourage people listening. If you have Democrat voting friends, family, coworkers, or whatever that doesn’t like Donald Trump, just ask them a few questions. Can you give me an example of something he’s done that is king-like? Because he’s been trying to work through Congress to get his bill. He’s trying to get… It goes through Congress when he has to go through Congress. What are they going to say? Well, it’s executive orders. Name me an executive order that is king-like. So cleaning up waste and fraud?
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. Taking care of overspending is a problem?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah. Make your liberal Democrat friend name specifically one action of his that is king-like and then make them defend it under cross-examination.
SPEAKER 03 :
Neil, talk to us about SunPower LED, if you would, as we get things wrapped up.
SPEAKER 04 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
And then Bob talked about pre-born, if you would, as we close out.
SPEAKER 05 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
Appreciate it. As we get things wrapped up, Bob, 30 seconds. What’s another question you would ask a Democrat when it comes to the No Kings protest?
SPEAKER 05 :
Oh, well, I would ask them, what is it exactly that Donald Trump has done that angers and infuriates you so much? Give me a specific example. I would really I would pin them down to give one specific example. And then I would cross examine that and dissect their answer in that, because I think at the end of the day, it’s going to be nothing more than emotionally. I just hate him. OK, well, that’s that’s not a good logic. I would expose our lack of logic.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right, that’ll do it, guys. Thank you very much, Neil, Bob, and for all of you listening. We appreciate it very much. Thank you for all of the input you give to us, by the way, on a regular basis. We appreciate that greatly. You can find out all about our sponsors. Go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. And again, this has been another episode of the National Crawford Roundtable. I’m your host, John Rush. We’ve had Bob Duco and Neil Boron. Have a great week. We’ll see you next week right here on the National Crawford Roundtable.
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