In this week’s episode, explore the power play between Jerome Powell and Donald Trump, as the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast navigates the complex landscape of monetary policy. Discover the impact of tariffs, interest rates, and economic forecasts on both businesses and consumers alike. Bob and John critically analyze the potential motivations behind Powell’s interest rate tactics, and the unique insights Trump brings from his experience running multinational corporations. The episode also takes a significant turn discussing the controversial firing of Lisa Cook from the Federal Reserve Board and its implications.
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Back with another week of the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast. Myself, Bob Duco, John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Neil Boron, Neil Boron Live out of Buffalo, New York, be back with us next week. John, how you doing? It’s you and me, pal. Just us two. All right. Let’s hold down the fort. Talk about Neil behind his back. A few different things we’re going to be talking about this week. We’ll talk a little bit about Cracker Barrel and their rebranding and their trying to do basically damage control. But also things like the National Guard in Washington, D.C. Well, that’s proven to be a success. They went 12 days without a homicide in Washington, D.C. And this is the homicide season for them. Also, Trump’s executive orders on cracking down on crime. But first, John, let’s talk about what’s going on with the Fed. Sure. Meeting recently, Jerome Powell, the Fed chair, it does look like he acknowledged that, hey, wait a second, the tariffs have not really spiked inflation. Maybe there would be a short term thing, but long term, it doesn’t seem like it’s happened. So it seems as though he’s cultivated the ground for a September meeting. rate drop. Now, how much will it be? I wouldn’t put it past him to do some piddly kind of 0.25. And my hope is that he goes for a good, strong, solid three quarters, if not a full point drop. There’s something interesting that the White House is pointing out right now about this. The If you look at other countries around the world, like in Europe, in China, in all the places that we compete internationally, do you know right now their equivalency of the Feds have their national interest rates down around 1.5% to 2.25%? And here we are still in the 4.25% to 4.5%.
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They’re double, triple, quadruple of Japan’s, by the way. Right.
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So we’re way more expensive to borrow money, which means that businesses in America that are thinking, hey, we’ve got to spend several million, if not billions of dollars to invest in our company. Well, we don’t want to borrow when the interest rates are this high right now. So it’s stifling growth and innovation from our own businesses. Yet he still has refused to lower the interest rates. So First, I want to ask you about that, John, and then we’ll get to the firing of Lisa Cook and the significance of that. But it does look like September there is going to be a drop in the rates. To me, it does seem to be substantial. It needs to be a full percent. But what is your take on this and why Jerome Powell has been so slow in this area?
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Well, and I’ve talked about this in my program a lot, and I am no fan of Jerome Powell. I think Jerome Powell is playing politics. They talk about all of these pundits out there that, you know, the Fed is independent. They need to stay independent and Trump needs to stay out of it. Well, then then you know what? Jerome Powell needs to quit playing politics as well, because that’s exactly what he’s done here. He has got a vendetta. against Trump. It shows loud and clear. He has lowered rates because of that. He can make all the excuses under the sun about it being, you know, we’re worried about tariffs. We’re worried about this. We’re worried about that. The reality is he’s playing politics. He hasn’t done one rate cut since Trump has been president. I believe that’s very much on purpose. I think what’s happened now is, let me back up. I think he would have continued to stay this path long term. If he thought he could affect the 2026 elections, that’s exactly what he would do. I believe that wholeheartedly. Now what’s happened since though, Bob, is the reality is the pressure upon him, not just from Trump, but from others, even other board members. And I think the reality, even board members that, that are kind of in his camp, I think are coming back saying, you know what, your legacy is not going to be very well here when it’s all said and done. If you don’t do something about this, the reality is the numbers aren’t showing what you anticipated. These, these tariff numbers that you were thinking were going to make inflation just go wild. It’s not happening. In fact, the CBO has even come out, which by the way, they’re no friend of the Republicans and conservatives. I’ve never liked the CBO.
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They’re supposed to be unbiased, but they lean left.
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They’re very biased because they don’t factor in all sorts of things that actually counter some of the things that they actually put out. But even they said, that where we’re going with tariffs, if it stays on the same path, if we do this from 2025 to 2035, we could reduce the debt by $4 trillion on tariffs alone. Right.
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And that is massive.
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It’s a huge number, Bob.
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$4 trillion, right. Everybody talks about, let’s reduce the debt. Okay, well, here we go. Here’s $4 trillion because of this. And look, you’re absolutely right. Jerome Powell The only arguments that he can use and that he has tried to use to say, I’m holding fast on interest rates, is because when you do lower interest rates, there is a tendency, sometimes it can weaken the dollar, which if the dollar is weakened, that theoretically will stifle foreign investment into the U.S. And then secondly, lowering interest rates could cause inflation to spike. Well, here we are. The tariffs have been in place now for four months, four and a half months, and the inflation spike has not happened. He’s been proven wrong in that area. And number two, how can you claim that foreign investments are going to be stifled into the U.S. when Donald Trump has gone around the issue of the dollar and used the tariffs to directly get foreign investments into this country to the tune of multiple trillions of dollars now? Jerome Powell doesn’t have a leg to stand on.
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Well, and part of this is because these guys don’t live on Main Street. They live on Wall Street. I’ve said that for years and years. These glass houses they look out of, they have no idea what goes on in everyday Americans’ lives. And when it comes to tariffs, they don’t understand some things along those lines either. And I’ve explained it on my program many times. I think we’ve done it a little bit here. But the reality is, There’s three things that happen, in my opinion, and I don’t think I’m too far off on this when it comes to tariffs and who actually pays the tariffs. Granted, they’re always paid. I mean, that money is coming into the government coffers right now into the federal, you know, into our treasury right now as we speak. So they’re paid, but How are they paid, Bob? It’s one of three ways, and I think it’s a combination in this case. In the first case, the exporter looks at, okay, if I’m going to be competitive in the market and I’m going to continue to export my goods to the U.S., which they’re my biggest client, they’re my biggest customer, and we are, then I’m going to probably have to absorb some of this. I’m going to figure out how to get my margins down a little bit, and I’m going to have to absorb some of what this tariff cost is going to be. So if it’s a 15% tariff, then I’m going to have to try to absorb some of this. By the way, I’m going to call my importer. and talk to them and see if they can absorb a part of this as well. So maybe on a 15% number, maybe the way it works out, Bob, is at the end of the day, the consumer might pay 1% or 2% when it’s all said and done, and the other sides are splitting that maybe in half. And so at the end of the day, the consumer isn’t paying much more than they would have been otherwise. The tariffers are still paid in full. They’re all paid by the by the importer in this particular case, if they’re bringing that money, if they’re bringing that in, but there’s ways to negotiate that. And the other thing that’s happened that’s allowed these guys to be able to do some of this, by the way, is the freight cost because of where fuel is at, their ability to save money on the shipping side itself is also what comes into play. And they’re able to get the goods here for less money than they once were. Therefore, they’ve got that room in their margin to be able to lower those a little bit, lower their margin, I should say, a little bit and absorb some of those tariffs. And that’s some of the stuff, by the way, that I don’t think, frankly, the Fed and all of the pundits and everybody that’s out there that’s against Trump and tariffs. These are people that, frankly, Bob, have no clue how this stuff works.
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That’s right. And Donald Trump does have a clue. And this is something I know, John, you and I talked about this off air before we started the podcast. But for all the Trump haters out there, you know, Trump doesn’t know everything about everything. Of course not. All right. There are certain things where he has to rely on the experts. But when it comes to monetary issues. Financing, interest rates, negotiations with other countries, trade deals and such. Donald Trump is a uniquely qualified expert in this area. The guy spent decades running multibillion dollar corporations around the entire world. So when it comes to monetary policy, don’t. Donald Trump is actually qualified to sit on the Fed’s board. I mean, he’s actually qualified. He’s the kind of person, if he was still doing Celebrity Apprentice, he’s the kind of person that his advice should be sought out by the Fed when it comes to stuff like this. So this is his wheelhouse, John. And this is what I think people need to realize. And I want you to comment on that. But before you do, though… I do want to remind everybody that, of course, this podcast is sponsored. We appreciate the sponsors to this podcast, Preborn and SunPowerLED. And really, John, we want our listeners to contact SunPowerLED, not just because they sponsored this program, but because it can actually help them get out of pain in a natural way.
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He is because he understands, as I said earlier, he understands what goes on on Main Street and what businesses actually need and so on. And I’m not saying there’s not smart individuals that are on the boards of a lot of these different organizations, the Fed included. But I think, Bob, the biggest difference is these are guys that, you know, they may have an MBA. They may even have a PhD in economics. The reality, though, is the majority of them, and I’ve looked this up, There’s but a few that have ever ran a business and or written a paycheck and understand what the average American goes through or the average American business owner goes through. Donald Trump does. And it’s not to say again that these guys aren’t smart. They’re just looking at things through a different lens than what Donald Trump is looking at or that I would look at, by the way, as a business owner. Donald Trump, like myself, understands that when you get businesses to feel confident about what’s going with what’s going to happen moving forward. You give them a good rate where they can use that to buy equipment. They can use that for their lines of credit. They can hire with that. They can expand their business. They just ultimately, Bob, feel more confident about where things are headed, meaning that, you know, that person that might be a little bit on the, I call it on the bubble where you’re thinking, you know, do we really need them? Do we not need them? When things are good and you’re feeling great about the future, you’ll leave that person on payroll, meaning that person still has a job. When you feel like things might be tightening up, and you’re not sure what the future holds, guess what? The guy on the bubble goes, there might be one or two people around them that even go. That’s the difference between having the Fed adjust things to where interest rates are palatable for that business owner versus where we are right now. And I know some would say, well, gosh, John, they’re still pretty low in recollection to all of history and where they’ve been in the past. Yeah, but they’re not as low as they were several years ago. And that’s still in the mind of a lot of business owners. You’re still paying almost double lines of credits and things like that than what you were just a few years ago, Bob. And because of that, the confidence isn’t there in those business owners until you get rates down.
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And this affects not just the business owners themselves who are trying to expand their businesses and can’t, but regular consumers, right? People don’t realize the Fed and the rate, no, those rates don’t directly, if he lowers the rates, it doesn’t immediately directly lower the interest rates for credit cards and for car loans and for mortgages and such, but indirectly it does. There is a trickle-down effect that will lower them. And you’ve got an entire housing industry right now That’s stagnant. It’s sitting on the sideline and it needs to be. And by the way, a housing market, a vibrant housing market is one of the biggest drivers of the economy. And so, yeah, I think that Jerome Powell, yes, I believe he’s being political here. I think he’s trying to hurt Trump and the Republicans. He is, in fact, engaging in election interference because I don’t think he wants Trump. the housing market to start exploding as soon as it does. I tell you what, he drops interest rates a full percent. If he does that, you watch what the housing market looks like come spring. It’s going to be going crazy.
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It’ll be opposite. And you know what? Yes.
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That will really help the Republicans in the midterms, then won’t it? And Trump’s coattails end up holding weight. And so I really believe that Him manipulating interest rates the way that he is right now is – it’s either going to have a positive or a negative effect on the midterm elections next year. And I think Jerome Powell full knows this. And by the way, so does Donald Trump.
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I agree. And like I said earlier, it’s interesting that it’s kind of come to a head now because if the rates actually do head the direction that I think they’re going to head and we can see, I don’t know if we’ll see a full point this next month in September, but I think by December, you’ll see at least a point, if not a point and a half. So I think you’re going to see that by the end of the year, meaning to your point a moment ago, as we head into the springtime and the run up into the 2026 elections, that’s going to be a huge boost for on our side. And trust me, I don’t think Jerome Powell wants to do it, but I think Jerome Powell knows that he’s at a point right now to where he’s been proven wrong on so many counts now that he doesn’t have any choice, but to do it, Bob, if he doesn’t, he’s going to go down as one of the dumbest fed chairs ever.
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Hey, what about Lisa Cook being fired from the Fed board?
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Yeah, that’s a whole other conversation.
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There’s five on the board, I know. But, well, we’ve got a couple minutes here before we dive into the half, though. So how about this? On one side, it’s the first time in history no president has ever fired a member of the Fed board. No. Trump and his administration and his lawyers say he does have the constitutional authority to do this. I suppose that’ll be hammered out in the courts. Lisa Cook has got herself a lawyer now and is fighting this firing and such. But we’ve got to remember, John, she’s not being fired because Trump is saying, I don’t like your left-wing politics and you siding with Powell. He’s got some legitimate reasons to say if somebody is credibly accused of mortgage fraud, Adam Schiff, then they don’t deserve to be sitting on the monitor. Terry Board of the Fed.
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Yeah, he can. And I’ve looked this up. He can remove someone for cause. And in this particular case, if it’s proven that she committed mortgage fraud, Bob, To me, that’s cause. I mean, to me, this is pretty black and white. If she, in fact, did fill out these applications at roughly the same time saying that she had a primary residence in two different states. And for all of you listening, and I’ve had to explain this a couple of times, I’ll make it quick. The reason why you’d want to have a primary residence on the application is because your mortgage rate ends up being less, sometimes a full point or at least three quarters of a point less than it would be on a quote unquote, second home or investment property. And some would say, well, why is that? Because historically they know you’re going to pay the mortgage for the roof over your head before you will anything else. Right.
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And this, this is right. This is an important distinction in which Adam Schiff is a whole separate discussion here. Okay. I mean, this guy, Well, here’s how it works, though, all right? If you’re a Democrat, you got two different sets of laws. Hillary Clinton certainly learned that. She could get away with whatever she wanted to. Adam Schiff, we’ll see if he will. But in this case, yeah, if you have somebody credibly accused of mortgage fraud, then there’s no reason at all that the president should not remove her. from the board in this case, which I don’t know how this works if you have a, there’s five on the board. So if they have a September vote and her vote is invalidated, it’s two to two. What if, what happens if you have a two to two split? Because last quarter you did have two members of the board vote to lower interest rates and they were outvoted by the other three, including Jerome Powell. How’s it work with a split? Do you know?
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That’s, I have no idea. I don’t know that we’ve ever experienced that as a country. So I have no idea, Bob.
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Yeah. Wow. Well, we’ll see. Keep in mind, anything that Trump does somehow, some way, the press is going to turn into a negative. We know that. But yeah, the Fed is absolutely engaging in politics. They’re trying to affect the election next year. And Trump is absolutely right to say we’re not going to allow you to do this. So So here’s my prediction, John, that Powell, he knows he can’t get away with a 0.25 because everybody’s going to see that as you might as well have not even lowered him at all. But I don’t think he’s going to go a full point. My prediction is he does a 0.5 and then the Trump administration complains about that a lot and pretty much demands another full 0.5, if not 0.75. Yeah. on the next vote in december so i guess and i looked it up the fed board the chair of the board makes the decision if there’s a split oh that’s okay well then there we go uh which i suppose would make sense yep anyway uh by the way he’s out of a job anyway come may of 2026 yeah he’s not going to be back up you know i can guarantee you that Yeah, I know. And I do think he’s got a legacy issue that he’s got to deal with here. All right. Here’s what’s coming up in the second half of the podcast, everybody. We’re going to be talking about some of Donald Trump’s latest executive orders, like, for example, no cashless bail in D.C. And also telling other Democrat run states around the country that if you’re going to keep cashless bail, you may lose federal funding. You ready for that? And then also the flag burning issue and Donald Trump basically, in essence, trying to get the Supreme Court to possibly reconsider their decision from 1989 to allow flag burning. That was a close decision back then. It was a five to four ruling. Antonin Scalia, of all people, sided with the liberals. But you also had a hardcore liberal, Byron White, who actually sided with the conservatives. So in a weird way, it was a split Supreme Court with both sides split into the opposite. So this issue could potentially be revisited. So we’ll talk about that as well. And all the latest with Cracker Barrel. Has Cracker Barrel Done the stupid Transheiser Bush marketing brand of alienating your own base. All right. So that’s coming up in the second half. First, though, John, we do want to remind our listeners to support our sponsors. It really is a phenomenal sponsor, a phenomenal organization. They help a lot of people with this photobiomodulation, which is really helping people with the very light that God created to get out of pain in a natural way with no shots, no drugs, no anything like that.
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I think Jerome Powell will survive. I think it would be political suicide on Trump’s part to remove him unless, again, there’s some sort of a cause issue that might come up. Otherwise, I think Jerome Powell stays. I think, again, as I said earlier, Jerome Powell realizes that his days are numbered. And to your point, I think he’s got a legacy issue where none of these guys want to leave office. They all go on to do other things. They write books. They speak. They do this. They do that. I mean, their career continues on. They don’t just, you know, kind of ride off into the sunset. They do other things. And you want to do that coming out of a really good Fed term, not a bad Fed term. So there’s no way that he wants to damage that. I don’t believe anyways in the last six or so months of his of his tenure there. He’s going to want to make sure that he leaves, you know, riding high, if you would.
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Right. Well, and I think he probably does care about his legacy and how history perceives him.
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Everybody does, Bob.
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I know. So it’s like who wants to go down in the history books as one of the worst Fed chairs ever? But there does come a point when you have to say if the other big economies around the world – If our interest rates are two to three to sometimes four times higher than the largest economies around the world, and he’s refusing to lower them on some misguided notion that it’s going to drive up and the tariffs are going to drive up inflation when we have seen after four and a half months they have not. And that it’s going to stifle investment into the U.S. when we have seen that Trump has already secured trillions of dollars of investment into the U.S., There is just not a reason for him to be sitting on his hands. And so, yeah, I do think his historical legacy is at stake here. And so maybe just maybe he’ll accept that reality. All right. I hope the Republicans in the midterms next year, OK, by lowering interest rates like they should be. So we’ll see.
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I suppose it will be begrudgingly. Let’s just say that.
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Continuing the National Crawford Roundtable podcast here in the second half with John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Myself, Bob Duco, The Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. Neil Boron, Neil Boron Live out of Buffalo, New York, not with us this week. We’ll invite him back to the party next week. Well, hopefully he’ll be here. We’ll sit down. There you go. Look forward to having him back next week. All right. So, John, we talked about the Fed and everything surrounding that in the first half. Let’s talk about some things in the second half. Donald Trump’s executive orders. First, I want to start on the cashless bail thing. Then we’ll get to the flag burning thing. But no cashless bail in D.C. He can do this in D.C. because Washington, D.C. is, in fact, federal jurisdiction. So he can say to the mayor and the city council and whatever that we will decide that you’re not putting people back out on the streets in a cashless bail kind of situation. Now, the reason that they do this and the reason so many Democrat cities across the country do this. is because when you have high crime communities in the inner city, and John, I know you know this, but I’m just explaining it for everybody else. High crime communities tend to be disproportionately African-American, which means that the people that commit the crimes tend to be disproportionately African-American. But that also means that the victims are disproportionately African-American as well. Well, so what happens is somebody gets arrested, They can’t post bail. They don’t have the money because they’re a poor inner-city black kid who doesn’t have the money for this. But some white suburban kid with a rich mommy and daddy does have the money to post bail. And so he gets out on the street where the poor black kid has to stay in jail. Therefore, these Democrat-run cities say, well… We don’t want to be unfair to the black people since they can’t afford bail. Let’s just say nobody has to pay cash to get put back out on the streets. Well, guess what? That just means more black families end up getting victimized in those inner cities. Trump is cracking down on crime. He’s taking it seriously. This is not just campaign rhetoric. He follows through on the things that he says he’s going to do. So Trump says that’s it. No more cashless bail in D.C. And as far as you Democrat-run cities across the country… If you keep on having cashless bail policies and letting people out and revolving doors, we’re going to deny you federal funding. Now, John, Al Sharpton says that this is Donald Trump being racist, just going after cities with black mayors. Well, guess what? Most inner city communities across the country, since they’re overwhelmingly black, The mayors are overwhelmingly black as well. Unless I’m missing something, John, Donald Trump is trying to protect the lives of African-American families who just want to live in peace. Like in Washington, D.C., bringing in the National Guard created a 12-day stretch of not one single homicide in D.C. Those are black families, black citizens that would be dead are now alive. And I guess I’m wondering, if black lives matter, shouldn’t the black lives of the innocent civilians trying to live their lives matter at least more than the criminals that want to be put back out on the streets?
SPEAKER 01 :
You would think so. And for those of you that, again, most people, Bob, and fortunately, have never been… you know, arrested, they’ve never had to post bail. I mean, I get that most people have no idea even how all of that works. And the fact that, you know, if you can’t afford the entire amount of bail, you’ve got to, you know, go hire a bondsman and the bondsman puts up all of the bail money and he charges you a flat 10% fee typically of what that is. So if it’s a thousand dollar you know, bond, he pays the whole thousand dollars that cost you a hundred bucks and you never get your hundred bucks back. I think that’s one misconception. I think a lot of people think that, oh, you pay the bondsman and that money comes back if you show up for court. No, no, no, it doesn’t work that way. You don’t ever get that money back. Point being, Bob, that’s where the accountability factor for all this comes in. When you’ve got some skin in the game and you know that if you don’t show up, this bondsman wants his money and he’s going to come after you, you’re liable to show up for court. When you’re doing it with just your own cognizance, in other words, there’s no money involved, what do you think the chances of showing back up for court are? Right. I know.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know.
SPEAKER 01 :
Not very much, by the way.
SPEAKER 03 :
Pretty slim. Very, very low. Okay. So the bottom line is, yes, it is putting criminals back out on the streets. I think Donald Trump is absolutely right to do this. And he should be putting the pressure on Democrat mayors and city councils and such around the country. All right. And legislatures, too, if you’re going to have a revolving door – Here’s Trump using his own political capital to stick his neck out in a controversial way and make himself a lightning rod for the purpose of trying to protect disproportionately African-American families from crime in this country. So if this guy is a dog whistle speaking, KKK loving racist. John, he’s pretty lousy at it, it seems, because he’s doing everything he can to try to protect black families in this country.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, and this whole bail thing, again, I think, Bob, there’s just so many misconceptions, even from the conservative side of the aisle. And the point is that you and I are both making is you don’t put any consequences for what you just did. If these guys know that, listen, I can go to court, stand in front of a judge, there’s not going to be any bail, I’m just going to be able to walk back out. Okay, when there’s nothing that is enforced, I guess you could say at the end of the day, nothing keeps him from doing it over and over and over again. That’s our point.
SPEAKER 03 :
All right. Let’s get to the flag burning thing. There have been some conservatives even, I know it’s a big one, and some conservatives have criticized Trump on this too, saying, oh, come on, the Supreme Court already ruled on this and such. First of all, let me just say that I I understand the whole freedom of speech thing, I get that. And John, you with the libertarian blood running through you, I’m guessing that you’re gonna be on the side of the Supreme Court in 1989 saying this is a matter of free speech, okay? However, There is another side to this argument, and I think that both sides of the argument are fair arguments, but there are limits in what amount of free speech you’re allowed to exercise. You’re not allowed to burn a cross, okay? That’s free speech, but this is something because it can create a potential violence and intimidation and things like that. And certainly you can’t yell fire in a crowded theater. You can’t slander somebody. So there are limits to free speech. We do understand that. The question becomes, is the United States flag enough of a symbol, an important symbol to the United States, that it’s too much of an affront to people like veterans and others, that it should be considered kind of something respected to them? Look, you can’t go to Washington, D.C. and spray paint graffiti on the side of the Washington Monument. You can’t deface it. That’s free speech, but yes, but you can’t deface something that’s an important symbol of the United States. And so that’s why I do think there’s a fair debate to have about the flag. I don’t think it’s cut and dry that you have to allow flag burning. But I want to make sure and stress something here. And this is what I want to get your take on, John. First of all, when the Supreme Court ruled in this case in 1989, it was a split vote. It was five to four. It was close. It could have gone either way. But the Democrats actually used to be in favor of protecting the flag, as crazy as that sounds. In 2006, this is well after 1989. In 2006, Hillary Clinton… is on record, she’s on camera as a senator speaking on the floor of the Senate on behalf of this bill that would make it a crime to burn the U.S. flag, to basically go around the Supreme Court. And I want to read to you what Hillary Clinton said. She said, quote, I hope that we can pass a law that criminalizes flag burning and desecration. Burning or destroying an American flag is a deeply offensive and despicable act. It disrespects our nation. It belittles and sacrifices our brave veterans. It even sends a message to the soldiers who fight today to protect our freedom that their service is in some way to be disrespected and discounted. When we talk about our flag, Americans’ emotions run deep. And we know that when we look at the flag and it’s deliberately maliciously destroyed, that it is an intimidating experience in many instances. Flag burning, this desecration that can happen to our flag, is something that people have a right to ask this body to prohibit. And then she went on for six and a half minutes talking about how we must make it a crime to burn the flag. That was Hillary Clinton. If Donald Trump took every word of her speech, plagiarized it, and posted it on Truth Social as his own, everybody would say he’s a wacky loon denying our freedoms, yet he’d be plagiarizing Hillary Clinton. So I toss that out there. Let’s let it simmer for just a moment because, John, I do want to talk about our sponsors very briefly, and then I want to get your response to this, and let’s have a flag-burning discussion about and how we should look at this freedom of speech versus protecting venerated images. But first, folks, we are asking you to support our sponsors. One of our sponsors is Preborn, who saves babies’ lives by showing ultrasound images of unborn babies to expectant moms in pro-life centers across the country. 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SPEAKER 03 :
Absolutely. So, John, flag burning. What do you say? Trump is trying to take another case, see if he can run out of the flagpole, pun intended, to the Supreme Court. Supreme Court has overturned precedents before. They overturned Roe v. Wade, thankfully, from 1973. And it’s obvious that Trump would like the 1989 decision to potentially be overturned. It was a five to four decision. It was very close. I just feel like once something’s been the law for a long enough time, people tend to assume that, well, okay, that’s the way that it should be. That wasn’t the case with Roe v. Wade. And I don’t think that that should be the reason that we automatically assume, well, of course flag burning has to be protected. I think it’s fair to revisit that debate.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah, I’m not going to argue that. I mean, this one I’m torn on because I think people have the right to do whatever they want. would want to do, especially in this case, with their own property. They own the flag, they bought the flag, whatever the case may be. On the same token, it’s a flag. It’s a honoring thing for our country. We have flag rules. You know, I fly a flag in front of my place constantly, and one of the rules are etiquette. I should say flag etiquette is if you fly a flag overnight, it’s supposed to be lit. I light mine because of those things, Bob. I respect the flag. I don’t let it touch the ground. I fold it properly. When it’s, you know, when it’s time to be disposed of, I let our veteran organizations do that for me. I don’t just throw it in the trash. There’s certain things you do etiquette wise with the flag that I think to me personally, no. I don’t worship the flag like an idol. I think there’s a lot of Christians out there that would say, well, you can’t worship it either. I don’t. I don’t go out there and pray and kneel to the flag on a nightly basis, Bob. But I look at it as a patriotic symbol of our country and the freedom that so many sacrificed to give me the ability to fly that flag and live in the home that I live in. that’s what the flag means. So for me personally, I just, it drives me crazy to watch somebody burn it because at the end of the day, I just don’t think there’s any reason to do so. Do I want a law protecting the flag? That’s where it gets dicey. I think it could be revisited and I’m not a legal expert to tell you whether or not that could actually stand and hold water or not. But I do think to your point, Bob, it should be revisited and I would prefer people not burn it. Let’s just say that. Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, not only would I prefer people not to burn it, I think that they should legally be denied the right to burn it. Now, it’s not 100% to 0% because I’m conflicted as well, but I’m not conflicted at a 50-50 thing. No, I’m not either. I agree with you there. But I’m conflicted probably about a good 75-25 to say, let’s protect it. If for no other reason, John, than to say, let’s get back to having at least some things that are to be honored and revered and respected. And we’re moving so far away from respecting and revering things and honoring things in our country, and I’d just like to bring some of that back, quite frankly.
SPEAKER 01 :
And by the way— Or to take a Mexican flag, let’s say, because there’s a lot of folks that fly those here in the U.S. because of where we’re at with immigration and so on. If you and I were to collectively put an organization together, an event together, I should say, and we got half a dozen people to bring Mexican flags and burn them, would we make the news?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know we would make the news.
SPEAKER 01 :
There you go.
SPEAKER 03 :
As a matter of fact, we’d probably be arrested. And if violence broke out, if a bunch of, we’ll say, Hispanic people got angry and violence ended up breaking out, we would be accused of instigating the violence in that case.
SPEAKER 01 :
My point is, how is that any different?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And for the liberals out there that say, no, you have to you have to allow flag burning. OK, these are the very same liberals that support hate crimes laws and say what you’re thinking in your head is something that should affect how serious of a crime you’re charged with. So, look, if you go to a mausoleum, all right, this is a place of respect. You’re not allowed to hang up political banners and signs in a mausoleum. You’re not allowed to do things like this. There are certain signs of respect that you need to show in certain settings. And I would argue that you can’t break an eagle egg, okay? The eagle is a symbol of our country.
SPEAKER 01 :
You can’t kill an eagle unless you’re a Native American.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. You can’t have yourself a nice eagle meat sandwich. So there are certain things where we say – This needs to be respected. This needs to be revered. It needs to be treated with a certain measure of protocol. So if you want to criticize the country, if you want to criticize the U.S. flag, if you want to say, I see oppression when I see the flag, that’s fine. Nobody’s telling you your vocal cords can’t utter those words. But to take an actual symbol that we’ve had so many veterans die on the battlefield to protect, When we see the guys at Iwo Jima risking their lives to lift up that flag in the iconic image, there comes a point where we say certain things rise to the level of worthy of protection. And I would put the flag in that category. So I say let’s revisit the issue and let’s bring back a ban on burning the flag. So I agree. How often do I get to say these words? I agree with Hillary Clinton, at least Hillary Clinton in 1989.
SPEAKER 01 :
Not very often.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. I know. Which shows just how radical and extreme left the Democrat Party really has gone, okay? This is the kind of stuff that they used to say. Now, John, in our last few minutes, let’s have the Cracker Barrel discussion. Okay. You run businesses. You understand branding and imaging. We’re both talk show hosts, so we understand branding and imaging, certainly of our own shows and names and such. So this is an issue that Cracker Barrel has had blow up in their face. And ultimately – no, I’m not saying Cracker Barrel is going full-blown woke like Transheiser Bush did, thinking that their new target market are a bunch of 90-year-old prissy men dancing around in high heels and halter tops. That was stupid. Anheuser-Busch, if they were smart, they would have instantly realized when the backlash started, whoa, whoa, whoa, we backtracked, we were wrong, we realize it, but they didn’t do that. They doubled down. Cracker Barrel, I understand, John, that they’re… Their revenue has been going down. Their profits have been going down. So I can understand the CEO saying, well, we do need to do something different. But to take the entire brand theme of who you are. And start redesigning your stores. So let’s remove the antiques and the old country hearth look. And let’s replace it with a modern Denny’s kind of look, if you will. And then while we’re at it, let’s change the logo and get rid of old Uncle Herschel in the barrel. And let’s make it all modernized looking. And then even while we’re at it, the little peg games on the tables. I don’t know if you know this, but the little peg games on the tables used to poke fun at people who couldn’t do it well. They used to say on them, leave only one, you’re a genius. Leave two, and you’re purty smart, P-U-R-T-Y. Leave three, and you’re just plain dumb. Leave four or more, you’re just plain ignoremoose, okay? Well, they changed that. Now it just says, don’t be embarrassed. Try again. So there is a certain element of wokeness in here. Cracker Barrel has realized, OK, we’re going to back down on the logo. We’re bringing back the old man in the barrel on the logo. So we’re changing that. But they’re not willing so far to redesign their stores back to how they originally were in that old country store kind of look. I can understand Cracker Barrel fans saying, I like the feeling of the old country store. We don’t like it being modernized. Listen to your customer base. Even though I’ll be honest with you, John, I’m not really a Cracker Barrel fan. I’d not go there. It’s not my kind of store. I prefer it. Yeah, I prefer a place with booths. I don’t really feel like being in Sam Drucker’s, you know, Uterville store, but I respect the fact that a lot of people do. And so therefore, why in the world are you messing with the brand? That’s how I look at it.
SPEAKER 01 :
Yeah. And I will tell you, though, here’s the other thing. And this is something that maybe a lot don’t know. And I’ve been doing a little bit of studying on Cracker Barrel. I follow some folks on social media, one that used to be inside of Trump’s inner circle. And he put out a video the other night talking about all of the problems that Cracker Barrel has. And it’s not just this whole. let’s go woke and make some changes. They’ve had a serious cultural issue at Cracker Barrel. Many lawsuits involving not paying their employees correctly, discriminating against certain employees, discriminating against certain customers. I mean, they’ve had a culture there, Bob, that frankly, Isn’t that great even for us, especially for us as conservatives, because we don’t agree with doing anything along those lines whatsoever. At least I for sure don’t. I know you don’t either. Sure. And I guarantee our listening audience doesn’t either. So Cracker Barrel’s got some real issues. It’s not just this whole let’s modernize things and so on on the same token. everything you just said as a business, and I know it full well, you have to be extremely careful when you start messing with the quote-unquote formula of the business, the face of the business, how it looks, feels, and so on, because your core customer is relying on some of those things. You’ve got to be extremely careful on how you do this, and frankly, I don’t think they have been. Now, I like you. Cracker Barrel, not my place. Now, I’ve been because my mom’s side of the family, they’re all from you know, the South and it was a big deal. And when they’d come to visit, that’s one of the places you would go. And I would, you know, reluctantly go do it just because the family’s there. But is it a place I would pick and choose on my own? No, it is not. For me personally, I’m such a particular individual. All the junk around the place just gives me a headache. So I just want to go in there and get a dumpster and start tossing crap. So that’s me. I don’t like Cracker Barrel in the look of it anyway.
SPEAKER 03 :
Okay, I’m not as bad as you. I like some of the antiques. I like the look. I’m just not a big fan of – I don’t really go for biscuits, gravy, and grits.
SPEAKER 01 :
Me neither. That’s the other part of it. For the home-cooked meal. The whole food thing doesn’t – yeah, it doesn’t appeal to me.
SPEAKER 03 :
Indian Applebee’s processed dinner, I suppose.
SPEAKER 01 :
Oh, there you go. I mean, bottom line, I think Bob here is – They’ve got a lot of other issues going on, and I’m not saying that their current CEO is even going about doing this the right way. There are some theories out there that a lot of what they’re doing with some of their rebranding is to distract people from some of these big major there’s a class action lawsuit coming against them as we speak. So there’s some big things on the table for them. And there are some out there that would say that a lot of what we’re talking about right now is literally a distraction for some of those things that are going on. So those of you that are conservatives that are all worried about them being really, really woke, watch some of these lawsuits and see what’s really going on there and find out exactly what’s happening at Cracker Barrel before you start defending the change.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and I’ll tell you this, Cracker Barrel CEO ought to listen to somebody like Donald Trump. I think Trump gave Cracker Barrel some great advice. He said, look, you just received a billion dollars worth of earned press. Don’t blow it.
SPEAKER 01 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 03 :
Use this opportunity. You’re getting earned press. Why in the world would you not use that to your advantage? That’s correct. Be smart about it. And you know something, Cracker Barrel, they need to look at somebody like Donald Trump and go, Okay, that’s a guy who this, again, is his wheelhouse of expertise.
SPEAKER 01 :
I think changing their logo back as they did yesterday, that was announced yesterday. Okay, I don’t think that’s giving in. I think that’s listening to your customer base and realizing that, man, we’re taking a lot of people off. Maybe we can make some decor changes, but this whole look and feel of the logo, we probably ought not do that. They had an issue with the rocking chairs, of course. That was another one of those things that came along at one point. And so they’re struggling to find out who they really are. And by the way, this is a lesson for a lot of you in business. You have to know who you are or you can’t brand around that.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. And so, yeah, I think they ought to just say, you know what, we completely messed up. We’re going back to the way things were. And any of the internal problems that we have, we’re going to clean those up consistent with our regular identity that we’ve branded over the last several decades.
SPEAKER 01 :
Right.
SPEAKER 03 :
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