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In this special Thanksgiving edition of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast, join Neil Boron, Bob Duco, and John Rush as they share their family traditions and love for Thanksgiving. The hosts reminisce about football games from the Detroit Lions battles to neighborhood Turkey Bowls. Together, they explore what brings them joy during this season, from traditions to laughter and camaraderie. The episode later moves into a trivia game focusing on the menu of the first Thanksgiving in 1621 versus today’s traditions. As laughter fills the air, the hosts debunk popular myths and discuss funny anecdotes. Sponsors like SunPower LED
SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 06 :
Back with another week of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast, the special Thanksgiving edition of the podcast. And we got all the guys, Neil Boron, Neil Boron, Live Buffalo, New York, John Rush, Rush to Reason, Denver, Colorado, myself, Bob Duco. Guys, how are you? Great.
SPEAKER 04 :
Looking forward to eating some bird tomorrow.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know, getting ready to go over the river and through the woods to grandmother’s house we go. Absolutely. So we’re going to talk, actually today is going to be a Thanksgiving themed podcast. We’re going to be talking about all kinds of things Thanksgiving. Later on, we’ll talk about some more serious stuff, you know, like what we’re thankful for and maybe suggestions for people grieving during the holiday season. It can be difficult and And such. But right now, guys, I thought we’d start out by having first a little bit of fun. So here’s what we’re going to do. Number one, we’re going to talk about some Thanksgiving traditions and things like that, what your plans are. But then also we’re going to play a game. A little trivia game because we’re going to go through a list of regular Thanksgiving meal items today. And then you guys figure – I got the list of what they actually had to eat in 1621 for the first Thanksgiving. And how much stuff do we eat today? Was there or was not there for the original? We’ll see how you guys do competing against each other. So we’ll have a little bit of fun. But first, I’m kind of curious. Neil, let me start with you. Thanksgiving traditions, I mean, what are your plans? And most importantly, do you plan on watching the Lions play the Green Bay Packers?
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. I never miss it. There’s something about the look of the Lions with the silver helmets and everything on Thanksgiving Day. that just warms my heart. I mean, I love football anyway. And Thanksgiving is my favorite holiday simply because it’s so unencumbered by so many expectations regarding presents and travel and gifts and all that stuff. So it’s just like a time to get together and have a meal and be with the people you love. So I’ve got some more memories of Thanksgiving. But yes, I watch the Lions every single year. Unfortunately, they’ve been doing this for like almost almost 100 years i think and they have a losing record over that time on thanksgiving but but hey they’re the lines anyway uh but yeah i i absolutely love watching it i absolutely do and and as far as traditions let me mention that in uh 10 years ago i finally quote retired from playing thanksgiving day mud football you know the turkey bowl and And we go out with my boys. By then, most of the guys playing were in their late teens, 20s and early 30s. And I played until I was 55. So I was like the Tom Brady. I eventually transitioned to all time quarterback on the one side. But at 55, I retired. They gave me a Turkey Bowl trophy. It was kind of a plasticky thing they made themselves, but it was really memorable. It’s on my shelf, and I really miss the days of actually playing football on Thanksgiving. I didn’t care if it was raining or snowing. That’s what we did on Thanksgiving morning, then came home and watched the Lions.
SPEAKER 06 :
Sounds great. John, what about you?
SPEAKER 02 :
Any kind of family tradition? It’s very similar to what Neil just said. In fact, for years, we used to do a turkey bowl thing as well. And my sons and I, we would go, it was a church thing and we’d all get together and play. And in Colorado, some years that was really nice outside. Other years, it was very cold and frigid. It just depends, as you guys know, from where you’re at, same situation. It depends on what the weather is like. And But yeah, as far as watching football and all of that, I mean, I think as a I’m like you guys as a sports family, I’m probably not as hardcore as even the rest of my, you know, my family, my sons and such are. So, yeah, the game’s on. You know, we have I don’t want to call it a tradition, but I guess given the fact that that’s what you do every time. Yeah, that’s a that’s a tradition. And yeah, we’re just like Neil in that case.
SPEAKER 04 :
What about you, Bob?
SPEAKER 06 :
The big long table and everybody there. And, of course, we have to schedule dinner around the Lions game. And here in Detroit, of course, I mean, it’s required. I mean, it’s basically blasphemy not to have the Lions game on Thanksgiving. So we kind of work around that. But, yeah, so I’m looking forward to it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, what would you say really quick? Let me throw this at both of you guys. What would you say to all of the, and I’m sorry to say, but there’ll be these out there that will say this, the naysayer, even some of those Christians of, oh, yeah, you guys put football in front of Thanksgiving. Yeah, it’s really important, Bob, that you plan your dinner around a football game.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, you know what I would say? Lighten up, okay? We can do both. That’s exactly what I would say. And I only say that because you know there are people out there saying that, Bob. I know, but you know what? First and foremost, I’m thankful to God for everything that he’s given us. But that doesn’t mean that we can’t say, well, hey, the game is on at this time, and so therefore, let’s eat at that time.
SPEAKER 02 :
You have choices.
SPEAKER 06 :
That doesn’t mean that, oh, well, I guess I’m putting the football game above thanks to the Lord. No, I’m walking and chewing gum at the same time.
SPEAKER 02 :
You can be thankful all the time and still enjoy football.
SPEAKER 06 :
Exactly. Thankfulness is a 24-7 thing.
SPEAKER 02 :
Exactly. All right, so here’s what we’re going to do. Sorry, I didn’t mean to disrupt things. I just had to throw that out there because you know there are people out there that are thinking exactly that as we’re talking.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I would say, John, I would say get them a prescription for all the prune juice and laxatives they possibly could handle that. It might help him just a little bit to lighten up.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, my word. You know, I don’t know why I just happen to think of this, but I got to tell you guys, my brother and I, he’s my age, about a year younger, okay? And he’s a banking executive out of Columbus, Ohio. And so he but we’ve both always struggled with our weight off and on throughout our lives. Been there, done that. He’s heavier than I am. I know he’s heavier than I am. OK, but anyway, we this one time a few years ago. he lives keep keep in mind i live in detroit he lives in columbus ohio he calls me one time and i’m like he’s like why are you out of breath i said because i’m on the treadmill what do you want you know he goes you’re on the treadmill and i go yeah right he goes oh man all right fine i’ll let you go guys i kid you not 30 minutes later bing bong i get off i answer the door it’s domino’s pizza delivering a pizza to me my brother from columbus called a domino’s pizza near my house and had it delivered to me
SPEAKER 02 :
I love your brother.
SPEAKER 06 :
That’s hilarious. He’s like, yeah, don’t act like you didn’t eat it. And I go, I’m eating it now.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s hilarious.
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All right. Here’s what we do. We’re going to talk about pre-born SunPower LED. And then we’re going to play a game, guys. We’re going to see how you guys do in Thanksgiving menu trivia. We’ll see who’s the smartest of the two of you. No looking online. Honor system now. No looking online to the original 1621 menu for the first Thanksgiving. But first… We do. Very seriously want you folks to support our sponsors to this podcast, SunPowerLED and, of course, Preborn. Preborn, remember, they show ultrasound images of unborn babies in pro-life centers all across this country. They do that all the time. We’re going to talk about that in just a minute. But first, Neil, if you would, tell us a little bit about SunPowerLED because they really do help a lot of people with this photobiomodulation, and it’s all natural in a way of healing.
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SPEAKER 02 :
I would guess not. You would say no. Neil? I would say no.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I’m guessing that somebody somewhere on that day ate turkey, but I don’t think it was. I’m going to guess that it wasn’t part of the main course. So I’m going to say no as well.
SPEAKER 06 :
Okay, both of you get a… Amazingly, according to historical documentation, turkey is one of the things that was listed as the type of meats that they had. They had venison, wild fowl like geese and duck, fish like bass and cod, some shellfish like lobster, clams, and mussels, and turkey, interestingly enough. So both of you, 0 for 1. Wow, okay. All right, let’s see. Secondly… Cranberry sauce. Now, before I even ask you guys about this, can I just get something out of the way? When it comes to cranberry sauce, I’m the only freak in my family that doesn’t like actual real cranberries. To me, I like the canned paste, you know, the kind that comes out of the can looking like cat food that still holds the ridges shape of the can. Okay. That, to me, is the best kind of cranberry sauce. And then you slice it up, and then you eat that with your turkey. But either way, cranberry sauce, yes or no. Do they have that at the original?
SPEAKER 04 :
No. Yeah, I’ll say no. You’ll say no, John?
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, I’m going to say no. And by the way, that stuff’s awful.
SPEAKER 06 :
With the pasty stuff?
SPEAKER 02 :
Ugh. It’s disgusting. It’s disgusting. No, it’s still disgusting.
SPEAKER 04 :
I agree with you, Bob. You’re a freak.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay, you know what?
SPEAKER 06 :
You both need prayer. But you do get this one right, okay? Although, it does say that they had whole cranberries as part of the various berries that they ate, but not cranberry sauce.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Stuffing. Hmm.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’ll say yes. I mean, you know, it goes along with the bird, right? Somebody invented it at some point, so I’ll say yes.
SPEAKER 02 :
I’m going to say no.
SPEAKER 05 :
John is in the lead.
SPEAKER 06 :
Oh, boy. Neil, he didn’t have stuffing. Okay.
SPEAKER 02 :
I think that came along probably, that probably came along turn of the century. I mean, 100 plus years ago probably is when that started, I’m guessing. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I don’t know when. At the invention of Wonder Bread.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, yeah. Yeah, I mean, I don’t know exactly, but I would think that when, I hope I’m not saying this the wrong way, when bread became not bread anymore is when it started becoming stuffing.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, exactly.
SPEAKER 06 :
This is going to sound terrible. I just thought of this silly anecdote. But have you guys ever told a joke or had to giggle inside church or at the worst possible time? It’s like this is a terrible time to giggle and you can’t break it. Okay. Well, communion is probably about the worst possible time.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, I don’t want to do it then.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know. I totally agree. But you know what? One time, a long time ago. We were visiting this church, my wife and I visiting this church, and they’re having communion. Okay. And it was a small church. And this is back before they had the little prepackaged, you know, wafers and little cups with the juice and the little. They actually had like Wonder Bread taking like slices of bread and cut them up and tore them into little pieces. And they were on the plate as it was being passed around. And it was just kind of funny. So as the plate comes around, we take these little chunks of bread. And I say to my wife, I’m kind of whispering, I go, is this Wonder Bread? They get like Wonder Bread and they tear it up like this. And for the body of Christ, she goes, yeah. And so we just start giggling about that. And then I go, oh, well, no wonder the song is Jesus, what a wonder you are. Oh, geez.
SPEAKER 02 :
So bad.
SPEAKER 06 :
But the problem is the people in the pews like in front of us and behind us started cracking up laughing too because they thought it was funny. It’s the body of Christ and Jesus, what a wonder you are. And so, you know, so you got like three rows cracking up laughing, shoulders bouncing while we’re supposed to be doing communion.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s hilarious.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know. Inexcusable. All right, let’s see here. What about corn? Yes or no?
SPEAKER 02 :
Let me think about this. Knowing the history of corn, I would say no, because I don’t think sweet corn came along until later.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well, I got to try to get a point back, so I’m going to go with yes, that corn was evolved somehow. But then I also have that question, like what is this stuff that’s sometimes referred to as Indian corn? Like what is that stuff? Do you know what I’m talking about? It’s kind of colorful.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you know what? I didn’t say sweet corn. I just said corn.
SPEAKER 04 :
I know.
SPEAKER 06 :
So Neil gets it and John doesn’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
There we go.
SPEAKER 06 :
Strategy. They did have like what’s called Indian corn. It’s not the kind of corn that we’re used to now, but they did have corn back then.
SPEAKER 02 :
Okay. Just not the kind we eat today. That’s right. Okay. Mashed potatoes.
SPEAKER 05 :
No.
SPEAKER 02 :
No.
SPEAKER 05 :
No. You guys are right. Okay. Both a no. Pumpkin pie. No.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’ll go with yes just because I need another point.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, you lost a point because it’s no. They did have pumpkins. John’s up 3-2.
SPEAKER 04 :
They had pumpkins?
SPEAKER 06 :
They did have pumpkins, but not pumpkin pie. I don’t know why this is on the list. Brussels sprouts? Do people really eat Brussels sprouts for Thanksgiving dinner? No.
SPEAKER 02 :
I’ve never seen. No. Okay. Well, did they have them then? I’m going to say no.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m going to go with yes. Oh, Neil, you’re falling behind. Oh, okay. Okay. There’s nothing new there. Go ahead. Bread rolls.
SPEAKER 02 :
No. No.
SPEAKER 04 :
No.
SPEAKER 02 :
Bread, but not bread rolls.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. Correct. They did not. All right. Sweet potato casserole.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, no, I don’t think I’m not sure who invented casseroles. I don’t like that person because I don’t particularly care for them. And I’m guessing that came along probably. And I think casseroles got popular in the 50s.
SPEAKER 06 :
I’m not going to let either one of you accidentally say yes to that. So I’m just going to give you both a no. Okay. Candied yams. What about that?
SPEAKER 05 :
Candied yams. Candied yams. No. I’ll go with yes. Oh, Neil. What are you doing? Out again? Out again. All right. All right. Let’s see. Squash. Yes.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yes. Okay. You both got that one. Uh, I’m not even going to bother with this one. Green bean casserole. Let’s just say no. No, no, absolutely not. I’m not going to bother with this one either. Macaroni and cheese. Who does macaroni and cheese? All right. But of course you start your Thanksgiving thing with salad. So did they have salad?
SPEAKER 02 :
Did they have some probably salad, but not in the way we think of salad today. I like the corn thing. You know, they had it, but not in the way we think of it. Yeah, I’m going no salad.
SPEAKER 06 :
No salad? I got to give it to John. They had cabbage, spinach, and lettuce.
SPEAKER 02 :
And so that was kind of their- They didn’t have French dressing and all that kind of stuff. All right. By the way, do either one of you like French dressing? The old orange French?
SPEAKER 04 :
You know what? I used to when I was like 10 years old, but I haven’t even seen it since then.
SPEAKER 06 :
Back when? Yeah, exactly. Back when I used to like it a long time ago, but now I’m like a ranch guy.
SPEAKER 02 :
You know, or strawberry vinaigrette. Yeah, I’m not a French guy anymore. I used to like it as a kid, but I don’t like it now.
SPEAKER 06 :
You know, same thing with me. I did as a kid, but not now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Do they actually serve French dressing in France? I want to know that question.
SPEAKER 02 :
Oh, there we go. Yep. Or do they have a ranch on a ranch?
SPEAKER 04 :
Wait, wait, wait. John’s up seven to three, so this question is worth five points.
SPEAKER 06 :
No, he’s up nine to one, two, three, four. He’s up nine to four.
SPEAKER 04 :
Oh, he is? Okay, then it’s worth six points. This is worth six points. Here we go. Okay. All right.
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Pecan pie.
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No.
SPEAKER 06 :
No.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m going to go yes. Oh, it’s 10 to 4. Oh, my goodness. No, that’s six points. It’s 15 to 4. Oh, okay. You’re right. You’re right. Oh, man.
SPEAKER 06 :
I give up. Okay. Is there any other must-have for today’s Thanksgiving dinner that wasn’t on this list that you guys could think of? Where you’re like, oh, come on. Where was this? I mean, I guess there’s gravy with mashed potatoes, but…
SPEAKER 02 :
I don’t know. I mean, food, this is where, you know, not to get completely off track, but this just shows you, you know, how much food and our diets have changed, you know, since, since that time. I mean, really they’ve changed a lot in the last, you know, a hundred years or so, but really since then to now, I mean, think about just the types of foods that we have now, guys, that we eat that just weren’t around at that time. I mean, I would venture to guess if you took some of those people, if you had this ability to time travel them from back then to now, and they went to any of our dinners, they would look at everything like, oh my word, what are you guys eating? I mean, Bob, you talking about some of the casseroles, some of these people would be looking at that like, what is that?
SPEAKER 06 :
What did you do to that food? How can you do that?
SPEAKER 02 :
Now, on the same token, they probably would look at that and say, oh my word, we’ve never seen anything at a table like this in our entire lives. I mean, I had a pastor friend of mine explain this to me one time and it made a lot of sense. You know, in reality… we all today eat like Kings. And what I mean by that, and you guys will understand this given your, your positions back in the days of, you know, scarcity of food. And most people ate one meal a day and it wasn’t like even the meals we eat today. The only buddy that ate well were the Kings. They could order anything they wanted at any time and have it delivered to them. Pretty much Johnny on the spot. Guess what? We’re in that same mode today.
SPEAKER 06 :
I know. I know. They had the total DoorDash thing, and it was whatever they wanted. Yes, we actually really do all eat like kings. We do. Even the idea of if you’re hungry, you go to the refrigerator and rub your chin while deciding what you’re in the mood to eat.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s right. And guys, even the people that are on food assistance and so on, they still eat like kings, comparatively speaking, to what we’re talking about back in yesteryear.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, can I just throw in from left field here that I think that’s why fasting is good for the human body. The reason is because back in the day, it was the hunter-gatherer kind of thing. Sometimes you didn’t eat. You might not eat for two or three days until you got a deer or whatever you were going to shoot and put on the dinner table. And so our bodies are actually designed to be able to withstand fasting, and they’re good for our bodies. Sometimes it’s like cleansing the system.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. Well, I’ll give you guys a little secret. I talk about this on my health and wellness hour we do on Wednesdays. And I’ve started doing this, I don’t know, probably four months ago, about July. I am now where I eat one meal a day. That’s dinner only. I fast the rest of the day. And I’ll tell you what, guys, I have had more energy. I feel better. I’m down about 30 some pounds. I actually feel better doing that than I’ve ever done anything else in my life.
SPEAKER 04 :
Good for you. That’s awesome. That’s intermittent fasting.
SPEAKER 02 :
Intermittent fasting. I eat one meal a day and it’s dinner.
SPEAKER 06 :
And you know what? I eat fast. We’ve got a lot to talk about, obviously, in the second half. We’re getting a little bit more serious after having fun here. But basically, John just thoroughly decimated you, Neil. Sorry, I’m humiliated. John did to you what I hope the Lions do to Green Bay on Thursdays. tomorrow. All right. So right now, though, we do seriously appreciate you folks listening to this podcast and supporting our sponsors as well, like Preborn, like SunPowerLED. And Neil, just kind of remind us what SunPowerLED can do for people in a completely natural way.
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SPEAKER 06 :
Continue in the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast with John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Neil Boron, Neil Boron Live out of Buffalo, New York. Myself, Bob Duco, Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. The special Thanksgiving edition of the podcast. And so, guys, we had some fun in the first half of the podcast, which, by the way, let me just say. Before we completely put the fun aside, either one of you guys into the movie Planes, Trains, and Automobiles? It’s a Thanksgiving movie, but it’s a great classic movie. We watch it every year.
SPEAKER 02 :
It’s hilarious.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m ashamed to admit I’ve never seen it. Oh, it’s hilarious. Never seen it.
SPEAKER 06 :
When did you go communist? How can you not have seen Planes, Trains, and Automobiles? All right. Pray for Neil, everybody. Yeah. I want to talk about thankfulness because we’re going to take a more serious direction now when it comes to Thanksgiving. And when we think about the original Thanksgiving, you know, guys, we were having fun talking about what foods they had back then, 1621. If we go back in a time machine and bring them up to today, they’d be like, are you kidding me? This is what you guys are eating for Thanksgiving? But here’s what we forget sometimes. And John, I want to start with you on this. Think about Thanksgiving. Think about what they went through, what the pilgrims went through. They lost half, okay? Half of the people that showed up had died. You’re talking about people’s mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, children, brothers, sisters, their relatives died. Just about everybody there was grieving the loss of somebody just over the previous winter. And here they are going into the new winter wondering, are the rest of us going to die? And what do they do? Let’s gather together and let’s give thanks to God. I mean, it really is a powerful testament to their faith and trust in God to give him. We’re told in Scripture, give thanks. In all things, we’re to give thanks unto the Lord. And you know what? They practiced it.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, and Bob, what you just said, I think about often, actually, not only them, but then later on with our founding fathers and just the things that the early founders did to have the country that we are so graciously blessed with today. I guess for me, it’s not just Thanksgiving, but I think of some of those things on maybe not a daily basis, but quite often, because you think about what Those individuals did the sacrifices literally that they made, the future that they saw. And believe me, they didn’t see the future we even have today. I think they envisioned something completely different. They envisioned a great future, but probably nothing like what we actually have today. We are so literally overly blessed today, Bob. I was telling my wife the other day that if you, as a kid even, if somebody would have said that I would be where I’m at today with the things that I have been able to do and what the Lord has blessed me with, I would have said you’re a liar.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, so true. Neil, I’d love to get your thoughts on thankfulness, and especially in the context of what the pilgrims were doing, giving thanks to God in the midst of having half of them have died just a few months prior.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, you know, it’s an interesting question because on the one hand, you know, there’s a sense of joy that we don’t have to go through what they went through. But on the other hand, maybe a little bit of grief that that everything has become so easy. And so our expectation levels are so high that if one little thing goes wrong, like we can’t find the remote or somebody forgot to buy fresh batteries and you got to run to the store. so you can put the Detroit Lions game back on, that that’s a huge problem, right? I mean, if they wanted to go somewhere, they had to make a wagon and a wheel and four wheels, right? And then hope the horse didn’t die in the meantime so they could go somewhere. I mean, everything was a problem. If you wanted to build something, you had to… create the tool you had to cut down the tree like it was just so very different and and what and Bob what you pointed out is very powerful that in the midst of all the pain and suffering losing loved ones to disease and and just hardship you know crossing the ocean, then later crossing the United States from east to west, the whole thing, that all of this pioneering spirit led to great hardship and yet thankfulness in the midst of it, which ought to cause us to really stop for a minute and go, what’s required of us these days? You know, where so much is just handed to us. Everything is instant. And And yet we complain? How is that even possible? And so I’m grateful for Thanksgiving because it does cause us to pause and maybe think twice about some of these things, reevaluate where we’re at.
SPEAKER 06 :
Right. And by the way, one of the things as well that when the Pilgrims landed at New Plymouth, one of the things that they did was they wrote the Mayflower Compact. It was kind of the first – constitution if you will of the new land and it’s interesting you look in the history books american history books you’re not going to read the mayflower compact in there you know why because they say what the purpose of coming here was and i just want to read to you the opening two sentences of the Mayflower Compact. This says, agreement between the settlers at New Plymouth 1620. In the name of God, amen, we whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread sovereign Lord King James, by the grace of God of Great Britain, of Ireland, King, defender of the faith, having undertaken for the glory of God and advancement of the Christian faith. and honor of our king and country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the northern parts of Virginia. I mean, they declared, we are here for the glory of God and for the advancement of the Christian faith. And that’s just part of America’s history that unfortunately is not told in our schools today. But you know what? That’s what they declared the therefore. We’re here to spread the gospel of Jesus Christ. And then you know what? Half of us die in the first winter. And how do we respond after that? We praise God. We give glory to God. And we thank him. And we make friends with the natives that were here and such. And so it really is they were putting their faith into practice in a powerful way. But I want to talk a little bit more about that and especially, you know, how we handle and what maybe advice we would have for people that grieve during the holidays. Because the holidays can be a very sad and depressing time for people that are grieving loss, just as the pilgrims were grieving in their first Thanksgiving. Before we get to that, though. We do want to ask you folks to please continue supporting our sponsors to this podcast. We very much appreciate you do that. They keep this podcast going. Like, for example, Preborn. I know a lot of you have given to Preborn. Many of you have given multiple times. And I’m just asking if you would make giving to Preborn part of your missionary budget in your household of regular giving. Okay, what you’re doing is you’re saving babies’ lives. You’re protecting unborn babies from the abortionist. You see, Preborn shows ultrasound images of unborn babies to expectant moms in pro-life centers all across the country. And when a mom sees a picture of her baby, she chooses life almost all the time. By the way, she commonly accepts Jesus Christ as Savior too. So we just want to supply as many ultrasound images as possible. It takes money to do that. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion. So how many abortions will you stop today? Take $28 times fill in the blank, and that’s your gift. And 100% of what you give to pre-born goes to ultrasounds, not a penny for overhead. That’s all covered by private donors. So just give right now by going to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. That’s CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on pre-born. Or you can call 833-850-BABY. That’s 833-850-BABY. The answer to the phone is 24-7. We appreciate you supporting Preborn. We appreciate you supporting SunPowerLED as well, Neal, the great work that they do.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, absolutely. And we’re grateful that they make the round table possible. Thankful for their faithful support. What we’ve also heard is that an awful lot of you have been checking out what light therapy can do for you. And I want to tell you, it’s definitely worth checking out. You know, you’re talking about like the first Thanksgiving and somebody probably was using an ax or a machete or something to cut down some trees or branches to be able to build a fire. You got to imagine something like that was going on. Well, there’s a young man named Caleb was using a pickaxe And this is obviously recent, and severed his ankle tendon, accidentally put the pickaxe into his ankle. Doctors said it’d be six to nine months before he could even walk again. But using light therapy from SunPower LED, he was walking in four weeks and without any pain medication. How’s that possible? Well, because… Light waves, red and near-infrared wavelengths of light can energize the cells in your body to reduce pain, reduce swelling, and promote healing. And that’s what light therapy can do for you. You can learn all about it by going to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, clicking on SunPowerLED, and I urge you to do it. There’s videos there. Learn all about it. And by the way, if you purchase something, use the promo code ROUNDTABLE10 to save 10% on any purchase simply because you’re a listener. And you can learn all about it and, of course, Preborn by visiting CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Bob?
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. Well, as we talk about Thanksgiving, because it’s Thanksgiving week and all things Thanksgiving, you know, I was talking, guys, we were talking before about 1621, the original Thanksgiving, and this was a Thanksgiving time, a feast, giving thanks to God in the midst of grieving the loss of half of the settlers over the course of the last winter, yet they still give thanks to God. I know that the holidays can be a very depressing time for some people, especially if they’re grieving a loss. And, you know, I’ll be honest with you. I mean, biggest loss I’ve experienced, of course, was my daughter. When my teenage daughter died, she collapsed in my arms suddenly at age 17. Who thinks you’re going to lose your daughter in the middle of a conversation? But it happened. And I remember the first Thanksgiving was her favorite holiday. She loved Thanksgiving. And the reason she loved Thanksgiving so much is to her, it was basically the John the Baptist setting the way for Christmas coming up, which was really her favorite. So that’s when Thanksgiving was just an excitement for her. And so that first Thanksgiving and Christmas, it was difficult. It really was. And then even in our own family, we’re kind of walking through it this week because just the other day, my father-in-law died. My mother’s father. I’m sorry, my wife’s father, rather. And so we have Thanksgiving and Christmas and walking through this as well. And I’d love to get you guys… perspective on what may be advice we would give to people that are struggling through the holidays. And I guess if I can start with this, and I don’t want to kind of throw it around the table, I don’t pretend to have any magic words that’s going to suddenly make the pain go away. It’s not going to go away. But sometimes we have unrealistic expectations of God, and we think that God’s job is to protect us from pain. And that’s not really his job. That’s not his role, if you will. We do live in a fallen world, and we are going to experience pain and suffering and death. He’s prepared a place for us in heaven where there will never, ever be again pain, suffering, death, sorrow. But in the meantime, we do need to walk through this. But he’s always with us. He may not cause us to avoid suffering. the pain, but he walks through the pain with us and he grieves with us. And I would argue that pain and grief and loss is an opportunity for us to show God that we worship him, not because of what we can get out of him, but because of who he is. I want God to know that I love him because he is God. He is my heavenly father. And that it’s not a conditional love based on whether he gives me what I want, when I want it, and protects me from any kind of pain. Then it’s a conditional love. And he loves me unconditionally. I want to love him unconditionally as well because he’s my heavenly father, not just because of what I can get out of him. And that’s kind of a lesson that I’ve taught myself. if I find myself grieving too much. So yes, grieve, cry, it’s pain, it’s sorrowful, but it’s for a season and God is with us the whole way, the whole way through. And we depend on him for comfort, but we can’t depend on him to keep us from experiencing pain because he hasn’t given us that promise in his word, but he will for all of eternity. So that’s how I tend to look at it. But let’s go around the table a little bit. Maybe Neil, if you have a thought on this, what would you say to people grieving right now going into the holidays?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, I appreciate what you said earlier that there’s no magic way to make people not grieve. And I think maybe the best thing that all of us could do is we grieve the loss of loved ones at a time like Thanksgiving or during any kind of a holiday celebration where we’re inclined to remember the relationships that we had that no longer exist, that we thank God for the opportunity to feel the power of the loss. Like that in one sense, I mean, it would be like, I mean, it’s a silly example, but if you get a chance to play in the Super Bowl and you lose, like the Buffalo Bills did four times, the reality is at least you were there. Yeah, at least you were there. But the point is that you had an opportunity to love someone and be loved by that individual. And And because of that relationship, that’s why you’re feeling the grief. It doesn’t make it go away by any means, but at least it’s an opportunity for us to be grateful for what God has blessed us with, including great memories. Like it also does, you know, grieving doesn’t erase the memories. And grief is a part of the process of loss. It’s a natural human response. It should happen. I don’t think anybody ever needs to apologize for grieving the loss of a loved one, as you described, Bob, or, you know, Over the last few years, I lost both my mom and my dad. We’re all kind of going through that right now. At the age we’re at, you know, parents are passing away and that happens. But in the meantime, to set our affection on things above and thank God for his love, his enduring love, and the fact that if our loved ones knew Jesus, we get a chance to see them again one day. But I don’t know that there’s any way ever to totally erase grief. But I think on the other hand, we should probably in some ways embrace it for those reasons.
SPEAKER 1 :
Yeah.
SPEAKER 06 :
John, what’s your take? What would you say?
SPEAKER 02 :
And you guys gave really good advice. And I’m not the best at this because I just am not. My personality is okay. That’s in the past. Got to look to the future. And I know that’s hard for some to do that are grieving, but that is the reality. And I think personally, I think that’s what the Lord wants us to look at. He’s not somebody, even though we tend to always look at the past, That’s not him. You guys know that. He doesn’t look at our past. He looks at our future and what can we become and how can we continue to fulfill and, you know, and enlighten our relationship with him on a daily basis. And yes, grief comes. And, you know, we know that. He knows that. But at the end of the day, it should not be debilitating in any way, shape or form. And I know that’s, you know, easy to say. But, you know, I’ve experienced the loss of loved ones as well, just like Neil was talking about. You know, it’s never easy to lose, you know, close family members, parents especially. I mean, you know, But it happens. And at the end of the day, I can look back at the good times that we had and the fun that we had, but I can’t dwell on that. I have to look at the future and what would they even expect me to do moving forward. And I know that’s not easy to do, guys. So I’m not making a blanket statement that everybody needs to do that. But I think personally speaking, that’s how I look at things. I don’t want to look at the past. I want to look to the future.
SPEAKER 05 :
Absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 06 :
Well, and that doesn’t minimize or undo the pain that people feel.
SPEAKER 02 :
Not at all.
SPEAKER 06 :
Certainly. Not at all. But we do remember that it is temporary. And, you know, I don’t mean to throw out Scripture as though it’s cliches, okay? But we don’t grieve as those who have no hope, okay? That doesn’t mean we don’t grieve, okay? We just grieve with the understanding that we have our hope in Jesus Christ. and not in the things of this earth. And all things are temporary. And so especially for someone who has gone home to be with the Lord, that’s certainly something that we can rejoice and be patient for the day that we would see them again. But we trust in the Lord during this time. So in this Thanksgiving week, as we kind of wind it down, I’m kind of curious to get from you guys what you’re most thankful for. I mean, there are so many things for us to be thankful for, but we are instructed in Scripture to give thanks in all things that we do to give thanks. And so we want to be obedient to that. And I know we could spend two hours just rattling off the long list of what we’re thankful for. But, John, let me start with you. If you could just kind of give us an idea what… Some of the first things that come to mind for you that you’re like, all right, yeah, you know what? I’m really thankful for this.
SPEAKER 02 :
Health, great family, kids that love the Lord and, by the way, are conservatives and want to do their part to make our country a better place. And I’m not saying this just because you guys are here, but literally you guys and just the whole Crawford group and what I get to be a part of it. I said earlier, if you would have said when I was a teenager that I would be doing what I’m doing today with literally zero training, no college, no nothing, and to be able to do what I do on a daily basis is a miracle in and of itself, and I am truly thankful.
SPEAKER 06 :
Neil?
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, amen to that, John. Well, I don’t know how to capsulize what I’m saying in just a matter of a couple minutes, but let me just say, grace, probably more than anything, God’s undeserved, in my unmerited and the undeserved favor that God has shown me throughout the years. And by the way, I did a calculation I wanted to figure out. I’m just over 65 years old now and approaching 24,000 days alive on the planet. And I’m reminded constantly that I’m not just grateful for second chances, but God’s everlasting love, literally. The fact that His mercy is new every single morning. So at least close to 24,000 times God’s mercy has been new for me. And sometimes making huge mistakes, sinning willfully against Him over the years. Other times just not being the person that He created me to be and choosing. self over selflessness and those kind of things. But I’m grateful, obviously, for choice, the opportunity that we have to choose to follow God. He doesn’t force that upon us, that he lovingly invites us to follow after him. I love my family and I’ve come to love them more as I’ve grown The opportunity I have to get things right now that I’ve got five grandkids, you know, to fix anything that wasn’t should have been a priority, but wasn’t while my own kids were growing up. And I love all of my kids and grandkids. But, you know, it’s I feel like I feel like I’m getting a second chance in that in many ways. I’m grateful for my wife. I’m grateful for you guys as well. For the same reason John said, and the opportunity I have to learn and grow and be stretched and that we have a forum by which we can share our heart and be corrected or challenged. you know, be pushed back on, Bob. I’ve been pushed back a few times, but I’m just grateful for the call that God placed on my life to be one who communicates truth and communicates the gospel imperfectly, I might say, and especially as it comes to communicating truth, but grateful that God gave me this opportunity, and I don’t want to ever take that lightly.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah, well, that’s great, and I mean, when I think about the times that We’ve disagreed with each other, the three of us. I’m thankful for the times that you guys came around and realized how wrong you were. Exactly. I mean, great, great thoughts that you guys offer. And really, I would echo just about everything that you guys have said. I mean, obviously, above all, we’re thankful. to God that he loves us so much that he was willing to come to earth, take on human flesh and suffer on the cross and pay for our sins, pay the penalty for our sins. I am just so thankful that I am forgiven. You know, the old bumper sticker that says Christians aren’t perfect. They’re just forgiven. There’s sometimes there’s a lot of depth and truth in those bumper sticker slogans. And that really is true. So above all, We’re thankful to the Lord for what he’s given us, what he’s blessed us with. We really do live like kings in this country. We’ve all been on missions trips, and you go around the world, you come back to this country, you want to kiss the ground because you’re just so thankful to live even in this country. I’ve said it many times. You can live in a homeless shelter in America, and you’re living better there. than the people that we’ve seen in third world countries and our own missions trips throughout our lives. So we’re very blessed horizontally here on this earth, but we’re obviously blessed large and so thankful that God has forgiven us and he loves us that much that he prepares a place for us in heaven. And look, I’m thankful for you guys. I am. I’m thankful for our audience and for them listening to us and for the opportunity to do this. John, man, I’m with you. I’ve never had a day of college in my life. All right. The fact that some, you know. idiot stoner. I was a stoner when I was a teenager, okay? You tell me I’m doing something like this, it’s not a chance in the world. One thing I’ve learned though, John, I’ll tell you, and I know I’ll get amen from both of you on this, okay? God has a tendency, if you look in his word, to use broken, messed up, screwed up, imperfect, flawed people for his purposes. We’re all qualified. But look at the ragtag bunch in Scripture that God used. No elder board would select Moses to be the spokesman for the Hebrews when he can’t even. He’s got to take Aaron along to do the talking for him. No elder board would select Gideon to be a mighty man of valor hiding behind the wine press or pick the runt David to take on Goliath, let alone the sinner David to be king of Israel. And then you look at the ragtag bunch that Jesus selected. But you see, this is how God works. His MO is using broken, flawed, messed up, screwed up people for his purposes so that he’s the one that gets the glory and not us. And so that’s my way of saying the three of us are broken, messed up, screwed up people, but we’re thankful that God is going to use us as his tools. And I know we’re winding down this time together. And so let me just say also, We’re very thankful that you folks support not just this podcast, but we’re thankful that you support our sponsors. And we’re thankful to our sponsors, Preborn and SunPowerLED, for sponsoring this podcast. And we want you folks to give to them as well. Give to Preborn. Save some babies’ lives. Go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on Preborn, and you can give right there any dollar amount you can. You’re paying for ultrasound images to save babies’ lives. That’s what those images do. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion. How many abortions will you be willing to stop today? $28 times fill in the blank. And everything you give to Preborn goes to fund ultrasounds. Nothing for overhead. It’s all covered by private donors. So CrawfordMediaGroup.net. Click on Preborn. You can give right there. Or you can give over the phone. 833-850-BABY. That’s 833-850-BABY. And the answer to the phone is 24-7. So go ahead and call right now. We appreciate you supporting Preborn. And we appreciate you supporting SunPowerLED. And Neil, if you could tell us a little bit about SunPowerLED.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, if there’s one thing I really want to thank God for, it’s SunPower LED and light therapy, which literally God used to save my own life in 2021 when I couldn’t breathe as a result of having COVID. And light therapy healed my lungs. And in a matter of two weeks, I was completely free and able to get back to work again and do the things God called me to do. Tom Kerber is the founder of Kerber Applied Research in Hamilton, Ontario, and the inventor of SunPower LED. Now, he’s not the inventor of light therapy. There’s other forms of light therapy. But Tom… put high powered light together in a way that is affordable for human beings. I mean, you could go to the store and buy like a hundred laser lights and tape them all together. And it’s not anywhere near how powerful the products are. You could buy from SunPowerLED and they are affordable, meaning you can reduce pain and swelling in your body and promote healing using the light God himself created. So I want to encourage you to go to CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on SunPowerLED, watch the videos, learn how light can heal your body. Light God created. And use the promo code ROUNDTABLE10 if you order a product, and you’ll be able to get it at a 10% discount. So I’m thankful for Tommy’s personal friend. He prays for his customers. He prays for WDCX. Where I work, he prays for the National Crawford Roundtable. He’s a good man. And thank you for supporting the product that he put together called SunPower LED. Bob?
SPEAKER 06 :
Absolutely. Again, we’re so thankful for you folks being with us every week. And let me just say I’m thankful in advance that the Lions are going to beat Green Bay tomorrow in the game. I’m kind of pulling a name it and claim it kind of thing. So I’m not a word faith guy, but so maybe I shouldn’t just be declaring it.
SPEAKER 04 :
Once a year, go for it.
SPEAKER 06 :
Once a year, I’ll go name it, claim it. Okay. And then hopefully Friday I’m not going, oops, sorry, Lord. Anyway, no, it’s great catching up with you guys. And I hope you have a great Thanksgiving. And by the way, seriously, try the cranberry paste. Give it another shot, guys, because it really is. If you mix it with the stuffing in the turkey, then it tastes great. It’s like you get stems. And who wants that stuff?
SPEAKER 04 :
For extra Thanksgiving fun, wiggle the plate before you eat it. Watch it jiggle on the plate for you.
SPEAKER 06 :
It’s so funny. They all make fun of me because I open up the can and I turn it upside down and it’s like slowly coming out like cat food. It’s disgusting. It makes a foop sound. It jiggles on the plate. We go, hmm, everybody’s hungry now. Bob just ruined our Thanksgiving. I know. You know what? What can I say? And try not to eat. By the way, think about this. When we talk about how blessed we are in this country, most people listening right now are probably going to be loosening their belts tomorrow. My goodness. Think about people around the world that are going hungry and not eating anything. So God is blessing us tremendously. Let’s not… Forget that. Another cliche that has a lot of truth, count your blessings. Sometimes we forget to do stuff like that because it’s just lost in the simpleness of these kind of cliches. So, all right, guys, another podcast out of the way. We appreciate all of you folks listening. And Neil Braun, Neil Braun, live out of Buffalo, New York. John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Myself, Bob Duco, The Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. Happy Thanksgiving, everybody. We look forward to coming back with you next week. We’ll see you guys.
SPEAKER 01 :
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