Join us on an enlightening episode of Real Science Radio as we delve into the mysterious world of magic mushrooms that have evolved independently not once, but twice. Fred and Doug humorously unravel the connection between Fred’s lactose intolerance and Doug’s recent dietary revelations while pondering how one can ‘catch’ lactose issues from a friend. Together, they navigate through the realms of mythical mushrooms and real-life dietary dilemmas.
In a mind-blowing twist, magic mushrooms evolved twice.
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Twice? Twice, independently. Independently? Independently. Wow, those are some magic mushrooms.
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Greetings to the brightest audience in the country. Welcome to Real Science Radio.
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I’m Fred Williams. And I’m Doug McBurney. And Fred, I’ve got a bone to pick with you, mister.
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You do? Yes, I do. I hate to drop this on you by surprise, but I didn’t want you to be able to prepare for this because I want to get to the bottom of it. Okay. So it’s been long known among our circle of friends that you’re intolerant. Particularly of lactose. There you go. Particularly of lactose. And it’s well known among our circle of friends how I love lactose and all lactose products, especially whole milk and especially milkshakes.
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Well, let me say something, Doug. I love lactose too, but the people around me don’t.
SPEAKER 04 :
Ah, yeah. That’s what I’ve heard. I’m being conscientious of the people around me. I got you.
SPEAKER 05 :
I got you. Well, it’s well known that for quite some time, you’ve been very highly intolerant of lactose. And so I want the audience to know that when I’m in Denver, I sometimes stay at Fred’s house. He has extra room. He puts me up. It’s very nice, by the way. If you ever come to Denver, give Fred a call. Anyway. But I was not aware that I could catch lactose intolerance from Fred. And I want to get to the bottom of why in the last three months, Fred, since I stayed at your house the last time, I have developed what I think is lactose intolerance. Oh, interesting. Never had that problem in my life. You didn’t tell me that it was communicable.
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Well, hey, you know, maybe we’ve discovered something new on Real Science Radio. But if I had to make a prediction, and we do make predictions on the show, that it wasn’t something you got from me. I predict it was a mutation or something in your body, a switch. I hate to use the word mutation because it sounds like it’s a negative or it’s like it’s a fault. And there are faulty parts of our gene because of the fault. But there’s also this belief that God has something in our body that turns off our need for milk after a certain age. Now, usually I think that age is probably a lot younger than you are.
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I know. I have people, they laugh at me because I order milk at a restaurant with people I work with, and they’re like, what are you, like in second grade, you’re ordering milk? I said, well, if we’re going to have a steak, I like to have milk. Anyway, Fred, I actually want to tell people that I did a little research because I was going to hold you up and be very upset for you giving me lactose intolerance. But it turns out as we get older, there seems to be a genetic switch that causes us to produce less of the enzyme that processes lactose efficiently through. But there are supplements that I may be able to take that would enable me to again enjoy lactose. Milkshakes primarily are the one thing that’s
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh yeah. I hated giving up milkshakes. Now there is, what are they? Lactaid pills. Yeah. Yeah. Goodness. They actually work for me. So if I am going to eat something that has milk in it, like there’s some really good Italian dishes that I like at this macaroni grill.
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Yeah.
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And so I’ll take three in there. You have to take three for whatever reason for the particular brand that I got, but it seems to work. Okay. You know, for the most part, I’d say it’s 90% effective.
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All right, well, I’m going to keep that in mind the next time I decide to binge on lactose. But for now, I’ve had to cut. I went through experiments, Fred. I was cutting out different foods. I cut out soda pop because I never drank soda pop, but then I got into it. So I cut that out, and that wasn’t it. And then I go a few days without milk, and I’m like, oh, it was milk. I was hoping, please don’t be milk, please don’t be milk, but it turns out it was milk that was messing with my stomach.
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So this is Real Science Radio’s milk show, right?
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Now that we’ve got your attention, ladies and gentlemen.
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So we’re going to do the latest science news, and we’re going to get to some really good ones like geology’s biggest unsolved mystery. According to the secular scientists, for us it’s not unsolved. But Doug, before we do that… This is telethon month for us. We’re trying to raise extra funds to keep us on the air. Now, the good news is we’re on AM 670 KLTT in Denver. It’s the most powerful station in Denver. Our signal reaches the adjacent states. And we’re now on at 1230 p.m. Right in the middle of the lunch hour. Really good time slot. But guess what? They don’t pay us to be on their radio station. They can’t. They can’t afford it. We have to pay them.
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We do have great listeners. We don’t get any money from the Tides Foundation or from the State Department or anybody. So we rely on you. Yeah. We rely on other believers. Maybe we could get something from the State Department now that they’re not funding him. That’s right. We should send in an application to Dan Bongino that he could submit it over there to the State Department and maybe get us in on some of that NGO money.
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Even you younger generation. I know right now you’re rolling your eyes. It’s like, what’s AM radio? What’s FM radio? You know, you got your podcast. But guess what? You know, like Doug said, there is a value to radio. The older generation still really likes it. And hey, it’s convenient. You’re in your car. Tune into us. And, you know, you’ll learn a lot of real science. yes so doug the first story i mentioned it earlier is geology’s biggest unsolved mystery oh boy now this is from a channel called today i learned science it’s uh so is that today i learned science that’s interesting just to analyze let’s let the uh host speak and then we can analyze the Yeah, so we’re going to play her video clip. This is the person who runs this channel is Dr. Harini Bihat. I know I’m not saying that right, but it’s B-H-A-T, so B-H-A-T.
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That is such a Midwestern white guy way. Harini Bihat. The doctor’s name. And so when you see this person, and you know what? I’m going to wait because I don’t want to. I’m going to wait on that, but I have a comment on that. It’s Harini Bhatt. Thank you. Is that how you say it? Harini Bhatt. Okay, very good. Or if you’re from Denver, Harini Bahat. I love it, Fred. Okay, there’s too many vowels in that name for like a Midwestern guy who grew up in… You’re from Denver, like born and raised? Yeah, pretty much. Yeah, so if you’re from Denver, born and raised, something like that, it’s a little difficult, but we’re here to help. And Dr. Bhatt is here to help, or at least… She’s here.
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She is here to help. We’re here to help. We’ll see. So we’re going to play a short that she did, and this was actually sent to us by a listener. So we want to thank that listener.
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Yes.
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Appreciate you guys sending us this stuff. Thanks for your time. And I wanted to play this because it’s just interesting, her worldview and what leads her to certain conclusions. So let’s watch this thing from Dr. Harini Bihat, who in her own words is a pharmacist turned science storyteller. Yeah. Okay. So here we go.
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One of geology’s biggest mysteries is this. A gap in the Earth’s rock record so extensive that it’s been called geology’s missing chapter. It’s formally known as the Great Unconformity and it shows up around the world. It represents anywhere from 250 million to 1.5 billion years of missing geological history. For example, at the Grand Canyon, you can literally place your hand on the boundary where 550 million-year-old rock sits on top of 1.7 billion-year-old rock, with over a billion years simply missing. What makes it so bonkers is that this isn’t a local phenomenon. This has been identified on every continent. So what the heck happened? Here’s what we know so far. During this missing period, Earth was really going through it. A lot of major things were happening on Earth. The first complex of life emerged, possible snowball Earth global glacial events occurred, and oxygen built up in the atmosphere. yet the rock record for these really pivotal moments for a planet have been erased. So the big mystery that scientists are still trying to answer is why did that chapter on Earth get wiped out? We don’t have a definitive answer, but there is one leading hypothesis, which is the most extreme erosion event in Earth’s history. The erosion required to create the Great Unconformity would have ground down entire mountain ranges. bringing the continents down to just their crystalline basement rocks. Experts believe this wasn’t just a gradual whittling down over time, but a violent erosion, possibly moving three to five kilometers of rock across entire continents. Now, the energy needed to do that, it’s a lot. If Earth was an onion, instead of slowly peeling away the continental crust layers one at a time, this erosion event was like ripping off 10 layers at once across an area the size of North America. Here’s where it gets scientifically spooky. After this massive eruption, the Cambrian explosion happens. Some scientists believe these two events are connected. The thinking is the erosion could have released massive amounts of nutrients into the ocean, triggering evolutionary innovation. And we see the evidence for that in the rocks. Thermochronology studies reveal that rocks now at Earth’s surface were once buried 5 to 10 kilometers deep, then rapidly exposed. And isotropic signatures suggest unprecedented levels of continental material dumped into the oceans. But the Great Unconformity still remains a mystery because we still don’t fully understand what caused this to happen everywhere around the world and to this magnitude. It shows our planet is basically catapulted capable of wiping its own geological memory on a global scale. And begs the question, what other critical chapters of Earth’s history might be missing? Follow for more spooky science theories all October long. Make sure to subscribe to our YouTube channel because we are dropping our very first and very special Halloween episode at the end of this month.
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The first thing. Genesis chapter 6. Is it 6 or 7? I might have messed that up. 6, 7, and 8. Yeah, 6, 7, 8. Yeah, 6, 7, 8.
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They’re not missing. They’re in there. Yeah.
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Well, so first of all… There’s not a great unconformity in the Bible?
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So, anyway, I’ve watched this video before with you as we were preparing for the show, but I was not aware that this person is a pharmacist. This person is prescribed… I don’t know what you call a pharmacist. This person is mixing up the medicine for other humans. This child. Anyway, it’s terrifying that this is a… She obviously has a college degree, right? She’s making a living parsing out drugs in the back of Walgreens or whatever. That’s just kind of scary that a person who could be this vacuous about geology, which by the way, the greatest mystery in geology is how that qualifies as a science. To me, how geology in general qualifies as a science is, I’m right there with you, as you know. It just seems like there’s an awful lot of wiggle room in geology, maybe more than you could. So much wiggle room that it’s hard to say it’s an actual science. It’s not like biology or chemistry.
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Chemistry, there’s not a lot of wiggle room in chemistry. You don’t take chemistry as your extra class if you want to get the automatic A in college. I’m sorry, but every college I know of, the geology is, hey, I’m taking geology because everybody gets an A in it. Yeah, so that’s the biggest mystery. You only have to be right maybe 30%, 50% of the time, and you’re right there in step with geology.
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Exactly, exactly.
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Sorry to our geologists out there. I do have geologist friends, and there’s very worthwhile work that they have to do for the companies they work for. But geology as a science… is very abstract. There’s lots of wiggle room, like you said. And so here this person, she put together a good video as far as her content that she presents, but she’s been indoctrinated by the public schools and colleges on this secular worldview of millions of years, and yet it’s common sense that this thing, first of all, you got a flat gap, all these flat gaps. And she talks about erosion and how there’s some big erosion event. Okay, you’re actually confirming what creationists have always said, that you can’t have these flat gaps all over the place and have… have it be millions of years of a layer, then another layer formed over it. That’s not possible. So these layers aren’t millions of years old. Because if you say you’ve got a layer of a million years, that’s a lot of time for water, which is the universal solvent, right? Right, yeah. And, you know, you’ve got the effects of cavitation. And cavitation is incredible. Powerful. It’s powerful. Basically, what it is is, you know, this localized event where these water bubbles, basically, they can boil and reach up to like 20,000 Kelvin. Yes. I think that’s like 35,000 degrees Fahrenheit. It’s like the sun. Yeah, it’s like the service of the sun. It’s like a mini plasma event. Yes. It’s incredibly powerful. And everybody who’s… lived near a flood or has seen the results of a local flood, they know what water can do. I remember when we had the flooding in Colorado, it was remarkable. I’m driving to work and it’s like just a big marshland that like basically lakes next to this drive. I go to work that aren’t there normally. And just the way it carved out dry, you know, this guy’s driveway was like, had like a seven foot driveway was gone. And there was seven foot of a, you know, a layer there that of course it took millions of years for that layer to form and ruin his driveway. But anyways, cavitation can do incredible amount of damage and it can, it allows water to cut through solid rock like butter. Yeah. And so with these flat gaps, where’s the erosion marks? So they have to pretty much say that this was a catastrophic event, but they refuse to go to where the truth is. We know the science, whenever the Bible touches on science, it’s right all the time. That’s right. Always. And there’s just no way that this was, they can’t explain it, but they do come up with some catastrophic event that happened. How about open up the first chapter of Genesis and what your professors don’t want you to do and you’ll find out what really happened.
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Yes, and so she does say that the rocks are a record, and that is true. The rocks are a record of what happened. But she immediately assumes that the rocks are the records of millions and millions of years. In fact, she said some point in the video, here’s what we know so far. And then she said a bunch of things that we don’t actually know. She just blurted out a bunch of assumptions and suppositions that have been made about what we think might have happened. But she says, here’s what we know so far. Hey, doc, are pharmacists doctors? I don’t think they’re actually doctors. I don’t know, actually. But I think when they’re actually mixing up the medicine that they’re going to give you that it could kill you or make you better, I think you’re hoping that they have some clinical credentials and capabilities and ability to reason and count and things like that. So maybe you don’t have to be a doctor, but doc… There’s a whole bunch of stuff we don’t know that you just said, well, here’s what we know. I don’t want to say it’s deliberately misleading, but whoever taught you to speak like that, Doc, they deliberately misled you. You can’t say here’s what we know so far and then say a bunch of stuff that’s not proven true. Yeah. I’m sorry.
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You know, many of us, of creation scientists and people who accept creation now, many of them did believe this stuff because that’s what they were taught and they were brainwashed on it. I know for 30 years of my life, I believed in millions of years and all that nonsense. Sure. But when you’re exposed, like we help expose to you the truth of creation. What the science actually says. Real science radio. Yeah. That’s what we’re here for. Right. You need to hear the other side of the story. And, you know, I wanted to mention, so we had that memorial to the great Dr. Walt Brown. Walt Brown. Who went to be with the Lord recently. That’s right. And we’ve got this great, one of the greatest books, my favorite creation book. It’s In the Beginning.
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Yeah.
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He starts with the very first words of the Bible. Yeah. Compelling evidence for creation and the flood. Yeah. The ninth edition is supposed to come out pretty soon. This is the eighth edition. But I highly encourage people, if you can, to try to find this book. But you might want to wait here for a month or two. We’re going to have the ninth edition. Yes. And we’re also developing flyers and whatnot. And we need to get the truth out about what really happened with Noah’s flood. And what she presented in that entire video is evidence. It’s much better evidence for a global flood than it is their secular nonsense of millions of years of rock above this unconformity and millions of years below it.
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Right. Just the whole idea that there’s all this. Also, $250 million to $1.5 billion. She says that much time could be missing. First of all, Doc, you would not allow that kind of differential if you were mixing up drugs. Well, maybe I’m gonna mix in 250 million parts, but maybe 1.5 billion. Doc, you would never allow that large. So just to say that we’re not sure if it’s 250 million, Maybe it’s 1.5 billion. So that’s way too much. You’re obviously wrong about that assumption. It just can’t be that great of a difference. So throw that idea out. It’s not 250 million to 1.5 billion years of missing time. That’s silly. It is something that you can observe. And people say, well, Doug, you know, the global flood is just a Christian myth. It’s not proven. Well, this lady just pointed out a bunch of evidence for it. There’s a bunch of evidence for it in the one book that has proven to be the most reliable historical record in the history of the world, which is the Bible. There’s all kinds of evidence for it in the Bible. And then if you go out and look at the rocks… There’s more evidence than Dr. Behat has pointed out. There’s even more evidence. There’s massive amounts of evidence. There’s an entire globe of evidence that Dr. Brown covers in his book. There’s all kinds of evidence for the global flood. So the global flood is a far more credible… Theory, if you want to call it a theory, I think it’s proven. Then this idea that we have this missing gap of time. And then, Fred, the Cambrian explosion occurred afterward. Because of this event, nutrients were poured into the ocean from which the Cambrian explosion.
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All these major forms of life suddenly appear. That’s what the Cambrian explosion is. Right. Major body plans for all these different invertebrates and vertebrates, and it all just suddenly appears with no time to evolve. I mean, because the Cambrian explosion, the time keeps shrinking of how long something could even evolve from that. And so they have to dream up some kind of magic wand to try to explain the Cambrian explosion. But the flood explains it. The flood explains why there is this sudden appearance. Millions of dead things buried by water all over the earth, whatever Ken Ham’s… Yes.
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In a very short period of time. Right? So, yes, it looks like an explosion of life, but it was actually an explosion of death. It was God’s judgment on the world that destroyed everything and killed everything. And so, yeah, it’s all there. But this poor girl is forced by her indoctrination to now have to connect this… This event that she’s describing with the Cambrian explosion, it’s just embarrassing. It’s embarrassing, and if I went to the pharmacy and I saw her back there with one of those little scoopers counting out pills, I would be like, you know what? I’m going to go somewhere else.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, how many are you counting there? Are you plus or minus 30 whatever?
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Uh-huh.
SPEAKER 03 :
Plus or minus 30 pills or something? You’re supposed to have one milligram.
SPEAKER 05 :
Right, right. If I’m supposed to take two of these every eight hours, are you going to tell me to take 250 every eight hours? I’m a little worried about that, Doc.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, and I don’t remember the exact reference, but I’ll share it. I’ll give it to our video producers, and hopefully we’ll just go ahead and show this on the show. But it’s something in a high school textbook that says this particular formation is 250,000 years old, plus or minus 250,000 years. I love it. Come on. And this makes it into our textbooks, and people read this, and they think old, even though it said plus or minus 250,000 years. Yeah, right. So it’s, yeah, it’s incredible what leaps and bounds you have to go through to avoid the truth. And honestly, with her, I don’t know, because I do know a lot of creationists that were like her, who thought like her. I thought not completely like that, but I believed in millions of years. So a lot of us are just brainwashed, and maybe Dr. Behat – Bot. Dr. Bot. Bot. You know, maybe she’ll see our show. If you guys, whoever’s watching, go leave comments on our show and her show and point back to our show. Yeah. You know, maybe we can get her on the air and we can discuss, you know, have a friendly discussion with her on it.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. All right. That would be worthwhile. That would be worthwhile.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. And just, and by the way, her short on this aired not that long ago and it had, at the time that we’ve recorded the show, it’s 1.3 million views. Now our show will probably get anywhere from 5,000 to 50,000 views. That depends on the YouTube algorithm. We’re going to be much less than hers. And you know, it’s this whole spiritual warfare that we’re in trying to get the truth out for things that are just common sense.
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, well, you know, the world is far more attracted to things that appeal to their flesh. And so, of course, she’s going to get millions of views because her content appeals to the flesh.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, that’s a perfect lead-in to the next article about appealing to the flesh, and that’s magic mushrooms. Okay. Hey, but before we do that, I wonder if this is the time for the interesting fact of the week.
SPEAKER 05 :
Well, okay, so before we get to the interesting fact of the week, I just want to finish off the topic.
SPEAKER 03 :
So, young Dr. Bott… Oh, you’re really trying to avoid interesting fact of the week.
SPEAKER 05 :
No, this is really good. This is really deep, Fred. Dr. Bott has this amazingly vast differential, potential differential, 250 million to 1.5 billion years. So, I just want… Dr. Bott, if you have a chance to read Genesis chapter 6 through chapter 8, maybe throw in chapter 9 too if you want more of the story. The Bible actually says precisely how many days the event lasted to the day. It says the day of the month that it started, and it lists the day of the month that it ended, that Noah came off the ark and was able to walk around on dry ground. So the Bible does not have a vast differential of potential time in guessing maybe what might have happened. The Bible contains actually what we know so far. Anyway, I just want to point Dr. Bott and everyone else in the audience to that. Magic mushrooms. And this is a story that’s not just about magic mushrooms, which that’s going to boost our potential viewership right there, Fred. We’ll have to put that in the tags that we talked about magic mushrooms because that will generate clicks and views. People are interested in it. But this is about evolution and magic mushrooms. Correct.
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So this is an article. Let me pull this up. It’s from… The AAA Science Magazine, right?
SPEAKER 05 :
Yes, science.org.
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Yes. Uh-huh. And the name of the article is, in a mind-blowing twist, magic mushrooms evolved twice. Twice? Twice, independently. Independently? Independently.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow, those are some magic mushrooms. Yeah, absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
So I’m hoping I say this word right. So the psilocybe mushrooms. Does that sound right, Doug?
SPEAKER 05 :
Psilocybe. Yeah, the P is silence. It’s like the H in Dr. Behat’s name. It’s silent. Bat. Okay. Psilocybe. And this is psilocybe, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
Psilocybe mushrooms proceed sequentially. Whereas fiber caps, by contrast, make both compounds side by side.
SPEAKER 05 :
Okay, now, so you got… Using none of the same enzymes. Psilocybe mushrooms are a certain type of mushroom. Yep. But then there’s fiber cap mushrooms, different type of mushrooms. Yep. Okay, just to be clear, and they both make a certain compound, right? Yeah. Which is psilocybin, which is the psychedelic component of magic mushrooms.
SPEAKER 03 :
Exactly. And so the psilocybin mushrooms, they proceed, they build that thing sequentially. Whereas fiber caps, they make both compounds side by side. So it’s a different mechanism. So this is what the article says. The two types of mushrooms live in different niches.
SPEAKER 05 :
niches niches a niche niche okay okay so if you’re like me if you’re like me and you grow up if if you grew up on the wrong side of the tracks as something like white trash or a redneck it’s a niche a niche yeah and we we go to the niche down by the creek so but if you’re from if you’re a little higher end and let’s say you were from manhattan it’s a niche niche
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