In this compelling episode of The Callings Radio Show, we are joined by the indomitable Fleur Hassan Nahoum, whom we affectionately dub the modern-day Wonder Woman. Our conversation spans Fleur’s remarkable journey from the Jerusalem government to her current diplomatic role as a special envoy for Israel. Fleur narrates the intense and historic events transpiring in Israel and the Middle East, focusing on a miraculous diplomatic breakthrough that restored hope amidst long-standing struggles. We dive deep into the significance of recent leadership maneuvers, including efforts spearheaded by President Donald Trump that have evoked both spiritual and political reverberations across
Welcome everyone to the callings radio show to all the dreamers i’m your radio host chrissandra brunson founder and ceo of the calling and it is such an honor to be with all of you today you know at the calling we have realized that so many people are afraid to go after their god-given dreams Because they are afraid to fail. And that is just plain wrong. Because if God has given you a dream and you’re not living it out, you are wasting it. And we do not want you to die with regret. That’s why at The Calling, we love to inspire, empower, and equip people after God’s calling on their lives to reap the best kind of eternal legacy possible to have immediate impact on themselves and their families. We love to do this through so many different avenues from custom tools and programs, workshops, but especially through this radio show where we bring on world-renowned guests. And today is no exception. You guys are able to hear back from one of our dearest friends and the heroines of the world. I like to call her the modern-day Wonder Woman. We have Fleur Hassan Nahoum. And Fleur, thank you so much for being on with us. And we’re just so honored for you to be on, especially just in this historic, just movement and moment in time of what has gone on in Jerusalem and Israel and throughout the Middle East to touch the ends of the earth. Welcome to the show.
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
Thank you, Chrysandra. It’s always great to be with you. Thank you for inviting me.
CHRYSANDRA :
We are so honored. And Fleur, could you just help with our listeners? They have been able to connect with you on past shows, but just for anyone that’s new and tuning in, will you just share some of the leadership roles that you have played thus far in humanity?
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
Oh my God. I think you’ve exaggerated a little bit of the Wonder Woman part, but okay.
CHRYSANDRA :
That’s when someone introduced me to you. So I would say the same.
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
Thank you. You’re very sweet. So basically, I was in Jerusalem government for many years, city council member, deputy mayor. And today I have more of a diplomatic role. I am a special envoy for the state of Israel. And since the war, of course, that special envoy role has taken on a completely different role, different character, which is essentially advocating for my people in a war we didn’t start, we didn’t want. dealing with the lies and the blood libels in the media, defending Israel’s right to defend itself. And so that’s basically how we met. And always happy to talk to your listeners because your listeners and the evangelical community in the United States have been amongst our best friends and best allies in a moment, in very difficult moments for the Jewish people in the state of Israel over the last two years. And so I want to take this opportunity to thank them all for their prayers, for their advocacy, and for understanding who the good guys and the bad guys are.
CHRYSANDRA :
I have goosebumps all up and down my body of just knowing the words that you just spoke, that we are living in this historic moment. And it’s an Esther moment for humanity to say, are we going to rise up? And if we don’t individually, collectively as nations, the United States of America, et cetera, for the state of Israel, God will use someone else, but to be able to say that we can come together and advocate for the beautiful land and people of Israel. I just couldn’t say it any better. Lord, can you just share your take on what we just witnessed in the last couple of days historically and what it has been like for you living in it in Jerusalem?
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
Well, historically, honestly, if you were to ask me a year ago, after this terrible massacre happened, attempted genocide, that all the living hostages would come home, I would have said, you know, we’re deluded. But President Trump, along with Prime Minister Netanyahu, pulled off. yesterday, something that I honestly think is nothing short of miraculous. I’m serious. Because what Hamas, a terrorist genocidal group, have done, thanks to Trump putting pressure on their sponsors, Qatar and Turkey, is they’ve given up their leverage. I mean, they still have, unfortunately, 28 bodies that we want to bring back to the country for a dignified burial. But the living hostage had no time. The living hostages were being tortured and starved and languishing. If we hadn’t gotten them out now, they would have died. And so… And the fact that Trump managed to put enough pressure on their interlocutors, on Qatar, Turkey, in order for them to give up their leverage, that is nothing short of, I mean, incredible skills on Trump’s part, incredible pressure and miracles from God. And the fact that yesterday is when they came home, And today in the Jewish calendar is Simchat Torah, which was the holiday that Hamas chose two years ago to do their murders and their massacres and the rapes and killing of babies, everything they did to us, everything they did to us on that day. For this to be the anniversary on a spiritual level, what’s happened is that that terrible day, which will be a stain on Jewish history forever, We’re all traumatized because of that day. And that day has now been turned into also the day of liberation. And to have that kind of spiritual correction on that day for us, the Jewish people, is very important. And that’s what President Trump did. And honestly, Cassandra, I don’t think anybody else could have done it. I don’t think anybody else could have done it.
CHRYSANDRA :
When we talk about leadership and godly leadership, how how did he do that? And you are your father. Just to remind everyone, I mean, your wisdom and insight in this is unparalleled. Your father was a former prime minister of Spain (Gibraltar). You yourself. Yes. Yes. And your leadership throughout Israel. Yes. How did this happen from your take? How does that go?
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
Well, I think the difference is with President Trump that in the Arab world, in the Middle East, which is where we are, you know, Israel, as you know, is a modern country, Western liberal democracy. But ultimately, we’re in a very rough neighborhood. We’re in the Middle East. And in the Middle East, there’s only one thing that speaks to people, and that’s strength. And once you project strength and uncompromising, position, people fall in line. What we had is, for example, President Obama, who spoke about leading from behind. That’s a joke in this part of the world. What the hell does that mean, leading from behind? That just means you don’t have the courage to lead. That’s what it means. And President Trump has the courage to lead. He has the courage to say, you know, the United States is the most important country in the world, and we’re going to stand with our allies. We’re not going to get confused here about who our allies are. We’re not going to care about what’s politically correct right now. Our allies are our allies. And that is something that you need courage. And that is something that then the Arab world responds in kind because they only respect strength. And Trump, you know, he portrays that strength. And what he’s managed to do is not just bring these hostages home, hopefully bring in a new era for the Middle East, but essentially what he’s also managed to do, which is Absolutely incredible is he’s managed to be the only show in town. There’s no Russia getting involved right now. There’s no China. There’s no China here. He’s basically not just taken the lead. He’s dwarfed potential other so-called superpowers and basically has become the only kid on the block. And that’s important.
CHRYSANDRA :
That’s such a great point that no one else got involved to take it up. And Fleur, so what happened? Take us back. People thought what was unfortunate for some of the part of the world is that they were asleep during a lot of this history that was being taken. And so they’ve only been able to see glimpses of what really happened. But from the moment that… President Trump flew into Israel and the most honoring and loving, welcoming that Israel gave to the United States of America. Take us just on that journey of what happened that day.
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
Yesterday evening. So basically, look, ultimately, the fact that the minute I heard that President Trump was coming to Israel, I said the hostages for sure are going to be let out because the last thing that Qatar and Turkey are going to let Hamas do is embarrass them. You know, in the Middle East, everything is about honor and shame. Nothing else matters here. You’re either honored or you’re shamed. And so the minute Trump landed, I’m like, that’s it. The hostages are home. Yeah, because because Qatar wants a positive relationship with America. I mean, of course, they’re the biggest and they’re one of the biggest sponsors of of anti-Semitism and terrorism. But again, President Trump, I believe, has said to them very clearly, look, you want to be an ally of America. You’ve got to stop this now. You’ve got to stop this now. They’ve been funding all the hatred and unrest in college campuses in America, are all funded by Qatar. Do you think President Trump doesn’t know that? Of course he knows that. But what he’s done is he’s shown them a pathway to an allyship with America and said, if you are involved with that, we can’t do this. He’s given them a binary choice. If you want to continue to fund terrorism, if you’re going to continue to fund hatred, you’re not going to have a friendship with America. You are only going to have a friendship with America if you get Hamas to release the hostages, talk about peace in the Middle East and stop all this hatred. Now, the big test will be, we’ll see that in the next few months, whether state-funded Al Jazeera, which is essentially the poison machine of anti-Semitism in the world… if they start making editorial changes to their staff editorial changes to their leadership i will know president trump actually did something incredible because qatar have been firmly on the side of the terrorists for many years many many years i’m sorry why i mean i don’t think that we would know know any of that from the media that is
CHRYSANDRA :
loudly broadcasted on the mainstream. But that is the those are the facts that we all need to know. So why? So what happened in Israel when Trump landed, met with Netanyahu and the president? And what what happened from that moment forward? They went.
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
They went. He landed. Air Force One did actually a nice kind of trip around israel so that everybody could see and cheer yes they flew very low so that people could see and cheer you know president president trump’s a performer he loves that and then he landed uh there was a ceremony at the airport uh everybody greeted him the president the prime minister he went off to the knesset which is our uh congress um and He heard speeches from the prime minister, the leader of the opposition, the speaker of the house, everything else. And then he made a speech.
CHRYSANDRA :
And in his speech, I mean… And Fleur, I’m going to pause you right there. We’re all waiting on the… last the last thing we want to hear we don’t want to go on a break but we we do need to um pause you and we can’t hear what happened next you guys we have the former deputy mayor of jerusalem on with us you know you do not want to miss a second we’ll be right back so Hi guys, this is Chrysandra Brunson, host of To All The Dreamers. I am so happy to introduce personal training, nutritional guidance, and behavioral change coaching. Healthy, happy, and heavenly for your wellness, spirit, soul, and body. Contact Mimi Kroger at healthyhappyandheavenly.com.
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CHRYSANDRA :
We are back. Thank you for listening to all the dreamers radio show. I’m your radio host, Dr. Cassandra Brunson. And we have the one and only former deputy mayor of Jerusalem. And I like to say modern wonder woman of the world. You know, thank you so much for being on. And you were just taking us in this moment. And this is a very special historic show talking about what happened yesterday. And President Trump was waving on Air Force One. And you said, well, he is a performer.
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
Yes, he’s a performer. So they flew low. He landed. There was a ceremony at the airport and a welcoming ceremony with, you know, the top guard, the prime minister, the president. Then they drove. And all the army people. No, I was not there. I was very busy watching it on TV and doing interviews, actually. And then they took him to the Knesset, Israeli Congress, Parliament. And in the Parliament, he was honored by the Speaker of the House, the Prime Minister, the Leader of the Opposition. And then he gave this hour-long speech, which was half of it was just entertainment, honestly. He was so funny. He’s so funny. And he had people laughing. But essentially, he said some very important things. This is the moment where the Middle East could turn, could turn to peace and prosperity. You know, he’s all about peace and prosperity. And let’s not forget, he’s the president that brought us the Abraham Accords over five years ago. Abraham Accords was a game changer for the Middle East. It brought peace between certainly moderate Arab countries and Israel.
CHRYSANDRA :
And just to educate everyone what the Abraham Accords are.
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
So the Abraham Accords, essentially a peace agreement that was signed between the United Arab Emirates and Israel, between Bahrain and Israel, Morocco, Sudan. Basically, he took the Sunni moderate Arab world and said, why don’t you make peace with Israel? You know, historically, the Palestinian problem had held up these countries from making peace. But the Palestinians have been intransigent for so many years. And what the UAE and the other countries said is like, if the Palestinians are going to be rejectionists, it doesn’t mean it has to affect our ability. to make peace with Israel. And so they made peace with Israel in 2020. There’s been a lot of billions of dollars of trade with these countries in Israel. It’s been very prosperous. But even more significant, it didn’t break down over the last two years with this war. You’d think it would have. So they held strong. He mentioned that in his speech. And he’s the one who brought this about. And now he wants to expand that circle of the Abraham Accords. He wants to bring in other countries like Indonesia and Saudi Arabia. And I think that if anybody can do it, President Trump can do it. And he then flew. He finished his speech. He met some of the hostage families there. who’d been released. And then he flew to Egypt. And in Egypt, they had this peace summit where all these people signed this agreement of what’s to happen in Gaza after the war. Now, what I hope will happen in Gaza after the war is the end of Hamas, who are a toxic jihadi Islamist ideology that have in their charter the genocide of Jews. That’s literally written on their charter. And so he’s figuring out with these other countries and some European countries, who will govern Gaza the day after, what will it look like, and how it will bring quiet and the beginning of a new Middle East. I pray that that will happen. I don’t trust Hamas, of course I don’t. But if enough pressure is brought to bear on the people who send them the checks, then there’s a real chance.
CHRYSANDRA :
And Fleur, tell us the significance of meeting in Egypt and why Netanyahu wasn’t invited to that.
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
So Netanyahu was invited, but it was the beginning of our Jewish holiday of Simchat Torah. And I think he made the right decision not to go. It was a symbolic holiday for us. It’s a Jewish high holy day. And so he was invited. He spoke to President, reported he spoke to President Sisi, the president of Egypt, on the phone. But he didn’t go. And ultimately, Israel has to wait and see. This is all very nice for these countries to sign a piece of paper, but let’s see how much that piece of paper is worth by the behavior, by what’s going to happen to Persia.
CHRYSANDRA :
Yes. And how many countries were represented in Egypt?
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
Oh, I don’t know the exact number, but it was over 10 countries, some European countries, Indonesia, for example, lots of other Pakistan, India. I mean, you know, a lot of countries were represented. Right. This is the beginning. Look, Israel’s only ever wanted peace. Yeah. Offered so many compromises. And I want to mention two more things before we finish. Yeah. You know, we’ve always been willing to pay a very heavy price for peace and that very heavy price for peace. has been that we’ve had to let out 200 murderers, terrorists with blood on their hands from our jails. One of them stabbed and killed an American Christian woman and stabbed my friend who was next to her 18 times. My friend survived by miracle and her Christian friend was murdered. She’s an American citizen. That guy is now free because of this deal. So this is the price that Israel has always been willing to pay for peace and quiet. We just want to live. We have a culture. You’ve been here. You know, we have a culture of life and they have a culture of death. And so we’ve always willing to sacrifice in order to have peace. Whether we’re going to get it, time will tell. But we are always struggling and always trying and always striving for peace. And thankfully, a partner like President Donald Trump understands that Israel has always been on the side of peace. And it’s been the countries around us, the terrorist groups around us who’ve been on the side of evil, war and destruction. And so he wants to end that paradigm. He’s isolating Iran by doing so. America helped us bring the Iran nuclear program back quite a significant amount of years. And so, again, like I said right at the beginning, he knows who the good guys are. He knows who the bad guys are. And let’s pray that this will make a huge difference now.
CHRYSANDRA :
I think that we’re all just taken back. You know, I think there’s been a lot of signs that and even the quote that President Donald Trump said that this has we’ve been waiting 3000 years for this. Is it hard to believe that this happened? And do you do you think that it will hold? for peace in the Middle East.
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
I don’t know. I want to hope it will. And it’s been 3,000 years, yes. Israel is the indigenous people. The Jews are the indigenous people of the land of Israel. You know that. Jesus was a Jew. Who was born in Nazareth, in Bethlehem and lived in Nazareth and then came back to Jerusalem as a Jew. And so when people say that we’re the foreign colonizers, I always say to them, well, was Jesus a colonizer of his own land? Of course not. We were colonized. and persecuted and killed by the Romans, the Babylonians, the Muslims, Islamists, everything. When we came back to our homeland, that in itself is miraculous. And we need to be strong. We need to persevere. And we’re also, honestly, the dam holding back. A very toxic form of Islamic fundamentalism, which is not just a threat to us. It’s a threat to the entire free world. When these people say death to Israel, they say death to America. When these people talk about Israel as the little Satan, they talk about America as the big Satan. They see America as that flagship of our Judeo-Christian values. And so… President Trump understands this, supports Israel, and is here to try and be the peacemaker of our time. And I salute him. I’m grateful for him. And I pray that what he started here yesterday will hold, will lead to a new region for my children and for everybody’s children.
CHRYSANDRA :
Well, we just couldn’t thank you enough for your leadership and how you are just being such a beacon of light and humanity and a spokesperson to the ends of the world, especially throughout America and just being such a dear friend. We just know that you’re living out your God-given dreams and calling. And we are coming up towards the end of our show. But can you just give some wisdom on listeners that are tuning in? How do we stand up? How do we have that inner confidence to stand up for Israel, for all these values that are near and dear to our heart in the midst of fear? How have you been able to do it? And how would you tell someone else to?
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
You know, when you know the truth is on your side, when you know that you represent the values of common values, values of kindness and humanity, when you know instinctively that, you know, that coming in and taking people from their homes and kidnapping them and killing them, killing children in front of their mothers, mothers in front of their children. This is what these savages did. Yes. And so I want your listeners never to forget, never to forget that Israel has never started any war. Yeah. But with the help of God, we’ve won them all. We’ve won every war. And that is something that is God-inspired. We have no other place to be except for the Holy Land. We invite everybody to come and visit the Holy Land to see for themselves how special it is to walk in the path of Jesus, to walk in the path of the prophets. Come to Israel and see for yourself. Now we’re post-war. And and always stand for the values that we all share dearly.
CHRYSANDRA :
Thank you, Fleur. And how do we come around you, especially just in this moment in time and history, for you, for Israel? How can we each individually be a part of that? Yes.
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
So, again, when you hear something said, horrible things and all these terrible conspiracy theories about Israel, about Jews, don’t believe it. Antisemitism has been around for two and a half thousand years. We’re still here. And the reason why we’re still here is because God wants us here. So never forget that. Always stand up for Israel, for your Jewish neighbor and friend. and understand that the campaign against us is a campaign against the Judeo-Christian values.
CHRYSANDRA :
Thank you so much, Fleur. And how does everyone connect with you? And I know that we have to go here, but you personally, Fleur, and support you and as well as the nation of Israel.
FLEUR HASSAN NAHOUM :
Well, I’d be happy to get followers more followers on Instagram. Yeah, really, you are h, a double s, a double n, Fleur Hassan, and another n. I’m everywhere, Twitter, I’m everywhere except TikTok, Twitter, Instagram, Facebook, Fleur Hassan. And, and, yes, you can see my content, my interviews and my thoughts.
CHRYSANDRA :
You guys pull over right now. I know that you are just, you can’t believe that you are, was able to join us today to talk about this in this exact moment that just happened yesterday. You are Hassan and just love you so much. You are being so bold. Cheers to everyone walking boldly and fearlessly going after your God given dreams. stand up for Israel. Be t each, you know, your fam leave that eternal legacy
