Get insights and expert analysis on the Kim Monson Show as we explore foundational societal and political issues. In this episode, we discuss the importance of upholding women’s sports rights with insights from Riley Gaines’ powerful advocacy. Additionally, delve into legislative efforts on Congressional stock trading, and learn about new initiatives aimed at protecting children in Colorado. Join us for an enlightening conversation that defines modern politics through the lens of freedom.
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And, of course, NFL wrapped up the first round last night, so you can always drop on by to watch the Denver Broncos this Saturday. I believe their game time starts at 2.30, so if you want to avoid some traffic, just remember that. Kind of weird having an NFL game on a Saturday, but hopefully our Broncos are able to pull it out against the Buffalo Bills. So today’s word of the day is taciturn. T-A-C-I-T-U-R-N. It’s an adjective. It means habitually silent or sparing of speech. And in the second hour, we’re going to get to talk to Rob Nadelson, a constitutional expert. The reason I chose this word is because naturally everything to do with Trump. Democrats are typically a little taciturn about the Constitution. Right up until Trump does something they decide might suddenly qualify as a crisis. So we we don’t hear much from them about constitutional issues until they think they may have even the remotest of cases against Donald Trump. So. Quote of the day, wanted to pivot a little bit to an economist. So Frederick Hayek was an Austrian-born economist and political philosopher who spent his career warning about the dangers of centralized power and expert rule. He argued that freedom collapses when governments convince themselves that outcomes matter more than limits, captured in his warning that, quote, the most dangerous state of mind is the one in which it is believed that the ends justifies the means. So again, the quote of the day, the most dangerous state of mind is the one in which it is believed that the end justifies the means. Of course, he mostly advocated for a free market society. His work became foundational to modern conservatism by tying liberty to humility, restraint, and respect for systems that evolve organically rather than being engineered from the top down. Very fascinating individual, very influential thought leader if you have not studied him. He studied under von Mises and, of course, created many of the wonderful economists that we know today that actually studied how markets actually work, that believe that a free market is the best way to actually price things in. So moving over to some headlines for today. So obviously no shortage of issues coming up. If you don’t know, the Colorado legislative session starts tomorrow. So we’re lucky to have Kevin Lundberg on in the second and third segments of this hour to talk about the start of that. But first wanted to highlight… Just a pretty tragic thing that happened over the weekend. If you hadn’t heard, there was a synagogue in Mississippi that was set on fire. Luckily, the federal authorities found him. So the Mississippi synagogue arson suspect laughed during his chilling confession. So the suspect accused of setting Mississippi’s oldest synagogue on fire admitted to starting the blaze because the building’s Jewish ties and even laughed about the horrific crime, according to an FBI affidavit saying he’s finally got them. Um, in another interesting, you know, this, this kind of happened when Charlie Kirk was assassinated again, the father, um, In that case, ended up turning in his own son. And in this one as well, Pittman’s father contacted the FBI telling the agency his son admitted to the crime. Per the report, Pittman called the buildings he burned the synagogue of Satan and laughed as he described what he did. Just incredible strength as a father to have to turn your son in. When they do horrible things like this. But a very interesting part of this was two Torahs were destroyed by the fire and five others were damaged. One of the Torahs that survived the fire of the weekend also survived the Holocaust and was stored in a glass case in the synagogue. So interesting. God’s word will survive. It will endure. But Beth Israel is Mississippi’s oldest synagogue in Jackson. It has a history of being the target of hate crimes dating back to the 1960s when the KKK bombed the synagogue. And, you know, just this article noted anti-Semitic attacks have risen dramatically in recent years from the Tree of Life shooting in 2018 to the Bondi Beach Terror attack just before Christmas. The Anti-Defamation League reported over 9,000 documented anti-Semitic attacks in 2024 alone, the highest number on record since they began tracking the data in 1979. So just our hearts go out to the Jewish community. And it’s kind of interesting that the party that says tolerance and peace seems to be targeting our Jewish brothers and sisters. So… And on another case, there’s some very interesting Supreme Court of the United States cases that are going to be heard coming up. One of them, you’ve probably heard of her, Riley Gaines. She was a Penn State swimmer. She notes that they’re just fighting for the bare minimum at this point. So common sense is on the line at the Supreme Court. A group of female athletes and Republican officials warned Monday. So the Republican attorneys general conference and prominent female athletes like Riley Gaines held a press conference on Monday ahead of oral arguments in two cases that revolve around the rights of states to pass laws that keep men off women’s sports teams. They said that the case will have far-reaching consequences for women’s privacy and safety. The quote says, The reason we are here is because Idaho and West Virginia pass common-sense laws that delineate the athletic playing fields in our states between the sexes, said West Virginia Attorney General John McCuskey. West Virginia’s law makes sure that every single woman and girl in West Virginia has a safe and fair playing field in order for them to earn and learn all the amazing skills that come from competitive team athletics. So again, the Justice will hear two different sets of oral arguments on Tuesday in the cases of West Virginia v. BPJ and Little v. Hecox. The results of the cases will determine whether 27 states can keep laws in place that prevent men from entering women’s sports and could impact laws protecting women’s privacy in bathrooms and other spaces. As Gaines noted, the case will not determine whether states must keep sports teams separate by sex, but whether states are allowed to do so. Again, quote from Riley Gaines, Can we do these things? So, again, this kind of goes back to another interesting case of federal versus state law and state jurisdiction in that. And, you know, very interesting. I did not know there was 27 states that actually had laws on the books. So that’s, on one hand, encouraging. That’s more than I guess I probably would have thought. put a bet down on. But living in Colorado, I think I could understand why it would be a little low. But at the same time, that number is a lot lower than I think it should be. Right. And I’m sure we’ll talk to Kevin Lumberg coming up to about Protect Kids Colorado. I know there’s ballot petitions circulating for this very same thing. So luckily, we’re going to try and bypass the legislature and vote on it directly by the people. But Again, pretty common sense stuff that that boys should not be able to compete in girls sports and we should keep boys out of the locker room. But beyond that, just the fact that we have to fight to say states should be allowed to do so is kind of it’s saddening that we’re at this point anyway. So. Before we get to break here, though, I did find a great ray of sunshine into legislation being proposed at the federal level as well. So an opportunity to regain America’s trust. A new bill aims to close lucrative congressional loophole. So you don’t see this very often where Congress tries to limit themselves. But on Monday, Representative Brian Steele, a Republican from Wisconsin, introduced the Stop Insider Trading Act, delivered a sharp message to his colleagues. Quote, he said, Steele’s bill would prohibit lawmakers from buying individual stocks during their tenure, though it would not force them to devise securities they own before taking office. While their buying power is limited to index funds, their selling power is largely left unrestricted. Lawmakers would be able to sell individual securities as long as they provided notice at least seven days before the trade. Also, as we know with many of the congressional trading, shall we say, indiscretions or coincidences, the bill doesn’t just end with lawmakers. It puts the same restrictions on their spouses and on dependent children. Previous efforts have drawn criticism for potentially limiting the careers of children of lawmakers. Addressing those concerns, the legislation limits coverage to minor children and adult children that are still claimed as dependents on the lawmakers’ tax return. Steele says he has support from House GOP leadership who have promised to give it a floor vote once the legislation is debated and amendments to the text are considered. So again, he looked at this as, quote, an opportunity to regain America’s trust. The bill is only a recent example to pass this type of legislation. In 2020, several senators were accused of trading stocks after private COVID briefings, triggering bipartisan outrage. From 2021 to 2023, multiple bills were introduced, including mandatory blind trusts and outright trading bans, but none became law. This one actually seems the most common sense one that I’ve seen. It’s tough to say that people are nefarious when they’ve bought stocks prior to becoming a senator or a congressman. So that’s pretty common sense to say, hey, you want to sell these things out? Give us seven days notice. Also, limiting dependent children, people that are on your tax returns, that obviously a whole lot of income restrictions there, spouses. So hopefully this will go out to a vote, and we will get a very interesting look into the congressional folks who will vote yay or nay on limiting their own power to trade stocks. So, yeah. This will be a very interesting one and one that we will all need to watch very closely. So one of the great sponsors of the show, one of the reasons we can bring up interesting headlines such as these is the Roger Mangan State Farm Insurance Team. They want you to feel safe and well-served, to understand your insurance coverage, and know that their office will respond to your call or text 24 hours a day. For that 24-hour peace of mind, call Roger Mangan at 303-795-8855. Like a good neighbor, Roger Mangan’s team is there.
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And welcome back. I’m Alan Thomas filling in for Kim today. Make sure and check out Kim’s website at KimMonson.com. And thank you all for contributing to support Kim’s independent voice in the exercise of our right to freedom of speech. Through all of Kim’s work with veterans, she’s honored to highlight the USMC Memorial Foundation and all that they’re doing to raise money to remodel the official USMC Memorial, which is located right here in Golden, Colorado at 6th and Colfax. Paula Sarles is the president of the foundation. She’s a Marine veteran and gold star wife. Paula and her team are working diligently to make the remodel a reality. You can help by donating at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. That’s usmcmemorialfoundation.org. And one quick correction. I misspoke when I said Riley Gaines. Swam for Penn State. She actually swam for the University of Kentucky. And the male that she competed against swam for Penn State. Also found out that we are studio divided. Joe didn’t want to pipe in. He’s cheering for the Bills until the break. But it’ll be an interesting one. You know, last year we lost. We went to Buffalo to play. So now Buffalo gets to come on over here. Okay. We’ll have fun with that, Joe. We’ll talk next week, maybe, if the Broncos win. But speaking of Riley Gaines, like I said, we’re lucky to have on the phone former Colorado State Senator and author of the Lundberg Report, Kevin Lundberg. Welcome to the show, Kevin.
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Well, thank you, Alan. You put me in pretty nice company there, so…
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Definitely. Well, you know, you’re doing a lot of great work, and I know Protect Kids Colorado is pretty busy these days.
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That’s quite true, and that is, of course, where I have been able to meet Riley Gaines, and she’s been working with us somewhat, too. Now, she’s a busy, brand-new mom, too, so her world is a little bit… Complicated, I guess I’d say.
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That’s a lot of work to have a new kid and these issues going on at the same time, right?
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Oh my, yes, yes. And actually, next week, Protect Kids Colorado has a very special event on Thursday, I believe that’s the 22nd, if I’m remembering this correctly, where Riley was supposed to be our keynote speaker in person. Now, she’s still the keynote speaker, but she’s going to be zooming in or taping in, something like that. But it’s going to be focused around the initiative that deals with protecting women in women’s sports. And that’s not just on the playing field, but that’s in the locker room. And that’s just the whole concept of honoring women in the athletic world. And Riley, of course, has been such a champion for that in so many ways. And I should also mention on this subject that today is an incredibly important day for this particular topic because a couple of states already passed legislation through their legislatures, I might add, to protect women in women’s sports programs. And that’s worked its way all the way up to the Supreme Court because there are those who are, I mean, unbelievably, really, in some ways, who are saying, well, that’s not right. You know, we need to allow men to be in women’s sports. And Riley’s example is so… is such a clear, clear focus on that because you maybe covered all this, but she literally tied with the man from Penn State for a national title in swimming competition. I mean, this wasn’t just kind of a little simple thing on the side. And they gave the trophy and declared the man to be the winner. which just underscored the insanity of this attitude. Well, it comes before the Supreme Court today in oral arguments, and I’m pretty sure Riley will be in person there on the steps of the Supreme Court building. But others will, including Jennifer Say, who is another national Olympic, well, I don’t think she went to the Olympics, but national women athlete who was in gymnastics several decades ago. And she’s been a champion for protecting women in the sports area for many, many years. Jennifer, say, lives in the Denver area at this time. She literally escaped from San Francisco to live in Denver. And as weird and bizarre as Colorado is, and honestly, the city of Denver, she said, no, it’s nothing compared to what the attitudes are there that she escaped from. But Jennifer will be out in Denver. on the steps of the Supreme Court building in Washington, D.C. today as well. However, Jennifer will be in person at our event, not only on Thursday of next week for our special focus on that subject, But she’ll be with us tomorrow at Colorado Christian University, where we’re having a panel discussion, a couple of panel discussions on the whole concept of initiatives. And then we’ll have Jennifer say and the other two proponents or kind of the public figures for our three initiatives tomorrow. And that’ll be in the afternoon. If you want more information on it, I can either direct you to my website or protectkidscolorado.org has some info on that, too.
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And what is your website, Kevin?
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It’s kind of simple. It’s KevinLundberg.com.
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And that’s L-U-N-D-B-E-R-G.com. And, Kevin, can you just help our listeners what those three different initiatives are that are being run?
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Sure. Sure. One we’ve discussed here, which is very straightforward, just says men shall not be participating in women’s sports programs. Men and women can participate in what we call a co-ed sports program, which is quite common for some venues. And then, of course, men can participate in men’s sports programs. But women’s spaces are to be held for women. Period. That’s one. Another one is it prohibits all gender mutilating surgeries from occurring for minors. So this is something if, you know, if as an adult you make a decision that this is what I want to do, well, it doesn’t touch that, doesn’t change that. But for children, this is… just a grisly, grisly practice that should not even be contemplated. And it’s crazy we have to actually run a law on this, except for the fact that they’re doing this. They’re cutting off healthy body parts to children. And the state of Colorado, you know, if you want if you go to an eye surgeon and say, take out my left eye because I want to look like a pirate or something crazy like that, you know, they probably start. Well, they would very legitimately have the right. to put you on a 72-hour hold to determine your mental competence because literally if you’re either causing yourself significant bodily damage or threatening suicide, a medical professional can say, we need to take this person and protect them against themselves. But in Colorado, no, no, the law is the exact opposite. If you want gender-affirming surgery for a child, The state of Colorado says we’ll pay for it if you qualify for Medicaid or some program like that. Or if you have private medical insurance, we are forcing the medical insurance company to provide that all the payments without deductibles. So the state of Colorado is just full bore, you know, Encouraging these practices and we’re saying no it has to stop and it has to stop now And then the third one is dealing with the whole ugly issue of child sex trafficking and this one says The penalties are not strong enough because people are still doing it. And this is not intended to put people in prison. This is intended to tell them, don’t do this in Colorado, period. And that is increasing the penalties for child sex trafficking. It’s not changing the laws as to who, you know, who is engaging in this. But if you’re guilty of this, you go to prison and you don’t come out. uh you know the governor can commute a sentence if there’s some extraordinary circumstance or a a district attorney can say you know this really doesn’t qualify for that uh so we’re going to charge this person with something different but but if if uh if you are truly buying or selling a child for sex you go to prison for life those are the three initiatives and people are overwhelmingly support this as we get it before them now that’s the big rub because it’s a huge huge project to put an initiative on the ballot here in Colorado you can do it and I’m grateful for that yeah but but you know in about half the states have the citizens initiative and it’s very clear why it’s appropriate because sometimes a legislature just goes crazy And that’s what we’ve got in the state of Colorado. Political manipulation of elections has been so intense that the legislature just doesn’t harmonize with the attitudes of the people of Colorado. But big money and a lot of political influence have literally manipulated our legislature.
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And welcome back. Alan Thomas filling in for Kim today. Make sure and sign up for Kim’s weekly email newsletter at Kim’s website, Kim Monson, M-O-N-S-O-N dot com. You can also email her at Kim at Kim Monson dot com. And thank you all for contributing to support our independent voice in the exercise of our right to freedom of speech. And if you are ready for financial freedom, call our friends at Mint Financial Strategies. As an independent firm and an accredited investment fiduciary, they always put your interests first. Mint means more than money. It stands for a meaningful relationship, information sharing, a network of smart strategies and a thoughtful advisor who puts you in control. No cookie cutter plans. Everything is tailored to you. So call Mint Financial Strategies today at 303-285-3080. Again, that’s 303-285-3080. On the line we have with us Kevin Lundberg. He’s a former Colorado State Senator and author of the Lundberg Report. We’ve been talking about these three initiatives that… Pretty common sense initiatives. I definitely want to get into, you know, Kevin, where we can sign them, how they’re going. But before break, we were talking about this minimum sentencing for child sex traffickers. And if I remember correctly, there was a House bill that would have mandated people convicted of offenses involved with child prostitution. It was brought up last year in the last legislative session, and it was voted down, if I recall correctly.
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Yeah, yeah. You know, we touched on this a little bit, that our legislature in Colorado currently is headed the wrong direction in just about every way. And I’m hoping we can get into that a little bit. I do want to, however, cover one other important element with the effort we have with the initiatives, and that is yesterday. we um one thing they also passed is they’re constantly adding new rules for initiatives to make it a little more complicated here and to take away you know you know it’s just just making it more and more difficult to for um for the citizen to actually exercise their right to make law independent of the legislature as the colorado constitution very clearly states but um They made one tweak that’s not really that big of a problem, but it is a requirement, and that is when an effort to gather signatures reaches 75% of the minimum number required to put it on the ballot, we have to notify the Secretary of State. And we did that yesterday. Oh, wow. And so that that doesn’t mean let me back up a little bit. Initiatives, because they are so difficult to do as volunteer citizens. A lot of initiatives are are proposed and adopted every every election cycle or every year, really. And well, no, every election cycle, you have to do it on general election year. So every other year. But most of them are really big players that simply buy all their signatures. So if you’ve got a million dollars, you too can get your issue put on the ballot. But as a volunteer effort, it’s very rare that you can actually find enough momentum to get it done. And so we’ve encountered some of those headwinds where people say, oh, you’re doing it by volunteers primarily. It’s just, you know, it’s not going to work. But that 75% threshold really identifies, are you in the game or not? We are in the game. Are we done? No. Because there’s a lot of work to be done to put the rest of it together. And admittedly, it’s a bit of a guesstimate because we’ve got 8,000 petitions for each initiative. That means 24,000 total. that we’ve printed up, and they’re all distributed out across the state. We’ve gotten 2,500 back, and we figure we’ve got probably 80,000 signatures out of those. And to meet the minimum, the 75% threshold is about 95,000. And so we’re certain that we’ve gotten another 15,000 out there that haven’t been turned in yet. So we made that official announcement. And that’s an important milestone. But it’s not a, okay, let off the gas. No, it’s put the pedal to the metal. And if anybody’s thinking about helping, if they’ve been helping, I want to encourage you to kick in to an extra speed in your effort. And so many people are.
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And how can they do that, Kevin? How can people find a petition? Or if they want to circulate one, how can they…
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It’s very simple. You need to go to our website, protectkidscolorado.org, and sign up. It’s right on the front page. You can donate, which, yes, we’ve got a big need for all the funds that are necessary for this. But but we’re not raising a million bucks for us to be three million because we’re doing three initiatives at once. So but you can donate and you can also say, I’ll take a petition. And we have we’re trying to get back to everybody within 24 hours of their signing up and saying, OK. here’s where we can get the petition to you, and here’s what you need to know to get it done. And many people are doing it every day. We need to continue to build that team. I was at a special event this last week with Erin Lee, who’s our executive director, and she spoke to the Ladies for Liberty at the Cherry Hills Country Club, and it’s kind of a… what an opulent place you might say. And there were a couple hundred women there, and we handed out 60 packets of petitions for ladies who were saying, hey, sign me up today, now. And so, you know, we’re continuing to do that, but it’s going to take everybody. And there, you know, we’ve got people going down to the National Western Stock Show. Now, candidly the National Western Stock Show has not been very friendly to us they initially there was one person who who said yeah come on in we will give you a space to start collecting signatures inside and then and then word got up the chain and the Denver City Attorney gave the direction of saying no we we don’t want them in the facility but we have a legal right to to be on public spaces outside of their venue collecting signatures. And that’s exactly what we’re doing. And, and, uh, anyway, so that’s a big venue up in, uh, in Northern Colorado. There’s a hockey team called the Eagles where hundreds and I think really thousands of people show up for some of the games. And there they said, well, you can’t come into the Coliseum. We’ve got some, some, uh, contract obligations there. But they’re inviting our teams to come and gather signatures as people come and go. And then churches. Churches have been huge. And not everybody has kicked in yet. But we’ve had hundreds of churches conduct the signature gathering Sundays. And a huge amount of the effort has come through that. Everybody is doing what they can. We’re just encouraging them to help us finish strong and actually make this a reality. Because I’ll tell you, if we get these things on the ballot, it’s going to change the conversation on Friday. who we’re electing and what we’re voting on because the you know i talked about this manipulation this shrewd political manipulation that’s happened for many election cycles in colorado and as consequence we have this kind of an attitude where they you know go the opposite direction And it’s not just there. You know, we probably better get into that because that’s the other big news.
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We definitely do, for sure.
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Tomorrow, the General Assembly begins. And I did that 16 times, you know, as one of the members of the legislature. So I understand the process pretty well. And that’s another thing that will be discussed. Protect Kids Colorado is going to be keeping a sharp eye on what are they doing this time. And there will be some good bills that will be presented that will go the right direction. The question is, will they kill them on the first committee or not, which they have been doing for many years?
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And it’s the unfortunate reality of, you know, it’s one of those we celebrated as soon as legislative session was done last year and just regretted that it had to come back around one more year before Polis is gone and before we have an opportunity to even change out some of that legislature. But, you know, unfortunately, they just control literally everything at this point.
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Well, yeah. And a lot of people say, well, you just live in a deep blue state, get used to it. Well, I beg to differ. I’ve lived here all my life, and I served in the legislature for many, many years, and I contend that the people of Colorado have not changed so much. Yes, there has been some effects, but not to this extent. You know, we can’t let this most sacred right we have granted us not granted, established in the U.S. and the Colorado Constitution of having a Republican form of government, which means we elect our representatives, we the people, not some cartel of political control, but we the people need to take back our legislature. And and we the people need to keep a sharp eye on what they’re doing today. Tomorrow, 100 bills will be introduced. I know that number because every legislator has the ability to to propose bills. And their very first bill out of the session is introduced tomorrow. And so we’re going to have a whole new crop of legislation to look at. And I know Kim and Colorado Union of Taxpayers is going to be looking at it real carefully about how it deals with the fiscal issues. I’m going to be going through each one of those bills, asking myself, is this good for the people of Colorado or is this bad? And I’ll make that list, like I’ve done for many years now, a good bill list and a bad bill list. And sometimes I’ve got kind of an orphan list of just totally ridiculous ones that need to be pointed out other directions.
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And there’s no shortage of crazy there. But I think we’ll talk more about that after we go to break here, because I definitely want to get more thoughts on this legislative session. But again, just to put a pin in that discussion here, Make sure and visit ProtectKidsColorado.org. If you have a petition out there, make sure and get those turned back in. If you can, bring those out to your churches or just to your friends and neighbors and begin the conversation because it definitely looks like we’re going to. I mean, I’m pretty confident. Kevin, that it’s going to be on the ballot. So we definitely need to start talking and having those conversations with our neighbors and our friends about these three very important ballot initiatives. So again, ProtectKidsColorado.org. If you need more info, I think the email address is info at ProtectKidsColorado.org. And we’re able to have these wonderful conversations because of great sponsors of the show, such as Karen Levine.
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And welcome back. I’m Alan Thomas filling in for Kim today. Make sure and check out Kim’s website at kimmonson.com. And if you’re ever in or around Pueblo, make sure and visit the Center for American Values located on the beautiful Pueblo Riverwalk. The center is focused on the foundational values of America, honor, integrity, and patriotism. Through their K-12 educational programs, training for educators, and portraits of valor of over 160 Medal of Honor recipients, the center is helping to instill honor, integrity, and patriotism to our next generation. Check out their website. It is AmericanValueCenter.com. That’s AmericanValueCenter.com. And fortunately for us, right before what’s bound to be a crazy legislative session, we’re talking with Kevin Lundberg, the former state senator and author of the Lundberg Report. where I’m sure there’s bound to be many issues talking about how you can lace up your shoes and get down to the state house to help testify. Of course, as we said, the legislative session starts tomorrow. Governor Polis’s last State of the State speech, I believe, is Thursday. So, Kevin, have you heard of any specific bills? I know we get 100 introduced tomorrow. Have you heard of any specific ones that our listeners can just start to prep for?
SPEAKER 25 :
Well, I’ve been in some discussions on some bills, but they’re actually held pretty closely by legislators until they’re introduced, which, as I say, the first round comes out tomorrow. So we’ll know much more. But the dominant attitude down there is very different this year because they know they’ve run out of money. Now, there’s an important principle here, too. Let me cover this, make sure we don’t gloss over this, because what you’re going to hear from the from the majority party is, well, Trump has been just putting the screws on us in so many ways that that we don’t have any money anymore. Now, never mind the fact that they have defied Tabor again and again by creating new taxes that they call fees, and they raise billions of dollars every year out of those fees. So there’s no lack of revenue coming in, but there’s a spending problem that’s been there for a very long time. And I want to point to what the big issue is that has really blown the the state’s budget apart in every area, and that’s their sanctuary state policy that has just welcomed in people who have crossed into this country in defiance of the immigration laws And, you know, we call them illegal aliens because that’s what they are. Aliens, meaning non-citizens, have come in around the system rather than through the, you know, the appropriate means of migrating to this country. That can be done, and it’s just not a simple process, but it’s a necessary one to control this. We have… hundreds of thousands of people who have come in all at the expense of the state, you know, and we’re hearing about how, how this has been such a, you know, they’re digging deep in, uh, uh, in Minnesota right now. And in California there, you know, there’s some people looking around there too, but, but realize these same costs, be they fraudulent or, or just, just the, the natural costs of managing all this, um, are here in colorado as well so when you hear them talk about how we just don’t have enough money and and trump’s the problem no he’s the solution because he is stopping this madness it’s a very difficult process to do that but i one thousand percent support his efforts to stop the flow at the border, and to crack down on states that have been defying the laws of this land by putting in these sanctuary policies. So that’s the core of this. You know, if you look at education, anytime a child shows up at a school, you know, a public school, they have to take them in. And we’ve been doing this, you know, by tens of thousands, for people who shouldn’t have come here in the first place. And then if you look at the Department of Health and Human Services, all the other parts of government that interface with individuals, that is blown out of proportion. So that is the largest part of the… the funds that go into the state government now. I actually published a graph on this that was produced by the Common Sense Institute about a month ago on my newsletter, and it shows how it’s just ballooned out of control, and it’s because of all the additional pressure. You know, Medicaid, which is partially state-funded, has… has exploded where somewhere around 25 to 35% of everybody in Colorado is on Medicaid. And that’s a huge expense to the state. So, bottom line, any bill, now the word is that if it has a fiscal note, if it’s going to cost anything, it’s not going to get passed. Well, to that I say, hooray. I’m glad they’re going to stop doing that. But they’re going to be very crafty in trying to glom on to more money from we the people, guaranteed that they’ll come up with a lot of shrewd ways of putting in fees and additional fees on things and adjusting the income tax and other tax structures so that they get more and more dollars out of we the people. So I’m going to be looking very carefully on that. And I know Kim is as well with Colorado Union of Taxpayers. And you need to stay up with the information we’ll have. For my part, I put it in my newsletter every week. I publish it every Saturday. And so my job between now and Saturday morning is to review all those bills and snag the ones that I think are good or bad and and put them on the list and Then we need to start digging deep and figuring out, okay, what are the good ones and how can we support them? How can we show the legislature that they’re going down the wrong path and hold them accountable for that? And for the bad ones, we need to just rise up and say, not on my watch, and fight it as much as possible, even knowing that they’ve got the upper hand there. But then when it gets to the elections, we have to have two things to occur. One is to ensure that our elections are conducted properly, and we’ve got a lot of work to do there. But I believe we’ve got a lot of support from the president and his administration in trying to clean things up, particularly in states like Colorado. But then number two is we need to get the word out as to who in the world shouldn’t be going back to the legislature and find good people. And a lot of good people have stepped up. And we’ve got some stars down in the legislature. We just don’t have enough of them.
SPEAKER 20 :
And one of the ways to do that is you find the crazy bills, you find the sponsors, and if they happen to be in your district, making sure to talk to your neighbors about, hey, you know, our legislator proposed this, voted against non-mandatory child traffic. sentencing guidelines do you think that’s a good idea so there’s lots of ways there’s lots of resources but especially paying attention to who sponsors what and and knowing who’s in your area or even looking up your friends who might be in a different Senate or House district and seeing who who is proposing crazy legislation with them because like you said Kevin we we have a pretty good opportunity here Yeah.
SPEAKER 25 :
Yeah. And, you know, you bring up a great point that, of course, on a forum like the Kim Monson show, we go back and forth on my newsletter. We talk about it. And actually, I don’t talk about this much, but every Monday morning at 730, I conduct a Zoom call for anybody who’s interested. And we talk about things like this, too. I don’t talk about it much on Kim’s show because it’s head-to-head during their time slot, unfortunately. I wish that weren’t so.
SPEAKER 20 :
And unfortunately, we only got about a minute left, so we’ve got to button up quick.
SPEAKER 25 :
Yesterday, we brought this up. And the point is, don’t be shy about talking to your neighbors about what your representatives are doing. don’t reserve this to, oh, maybe the papers will publish it. No, it’s our job to get into the trenches and talk about it. And that’s what we’ve been talking about all hour, is get engaged, get involved, get going. You know, call or contact Protect Kids Colorado through our website, and that’s the first best way to plug in now. We’ve only got a few weeks to go on this campaign, but there are plenty of campaigns that we need to really bear down and and fix the problems we’ve got in our political structure in colorado
SPEAKER 20 :
Amen, Kevin. So again, thank you, Kevin Lundberg. He’s the author of the Lundberg Report. And also, like he said, visit Protect Kids Colorado. So thank you for all you’re doing. The end of quote show, I think, couldn’t be more appropriate. The Constitution is not a mere parchment barrier against the encroaching spirit of power. That was James Madison in Federalist No.
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SPEAKER 03 :
I was just telling Joe, asking if he caught the sunrise this morning because it was a beauty.
SPEAKER 20 :
Yeah, and we fortunately get to be up here on top of a tall tower and see the whole skyline and mountains and just the beauty that God gives us. But, John, this morning I think one of the things we wanted to talk about is – When the unfortunate happens, what are the basics when you’re, when anybody is involved in a motor vehicle accident and it’s the other driver’s fault?
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh yeah. From a sunrise, beautiful sunrise to those not so great things in life that unfortunately are out there and usually tap one or two of us every so often. So now I, so Alan, my firm handles personal injury matters and Kind of in the center of that wheelhouse is motor vehicle accidents. And I’ve got three attorneys that are dedicated to just handling those cases. And I’ve handled those cases. And one of the most important things when you get in an accident, it’s somebody else’s fault, is you call 911. You get the police out there and make a determination of fault so that you don’t have to fight that battle later. When you get a phone call from the at-fault driver’s insurance company and they say they have a different story and they’re not accepting liability, you can avoid that whole problem by simply getting the police, or if you’re in Denver, an accident investigator or police to determine that it was the other driver’s fault. So many times the story changes after folks leave the accident. Next most important thing is if you… or anyone in the vehicle you’re driving is hurt, let the officer, let the EMTs know that. It’s very important to get care as soon as possible, and sometimes there’s injuries that kind of mask themselves a little bit, but if you’re feeling off, if you’re feeling anything, take advantage of the EMTs. Let them check you out. If you’re hurting, don’t refuse to go to the hospital. get there and get checked out. I’ve got some real terrible stories of people that decline to go to the hospital and within an hour they’re, you know, you don’t know, but they’re in really bad shape. They’ve got internal bleeding. They ignore the symptom when they were asked. And so then we have a, you know, a much worse tragedy. And then I’ll throw myself in there. Call an experienced, strategically aggressive personal injury attorney as soon as possible because there are so many other things to discuss and know if you or a loved one have been involved in an accident that you really need to know to have a somewhat even playing field. If you call my firm, you’re going to get great advice and education so that you don’t make the mistakes that so many people make. When they talk to the other driver’s insurance adjuster and sign things they shouldn’t sign, answer questions they should not answer. So the third, super most important thing is as soon as possible after an accident involving yourself, a loved one, if it’s a neighbor, a coworker, a friend, encourage them to call me as soon as possible at 303- 999-9999 they’re going to get me one of our other senior lawyers on the phone we’re going to give them the initial advice they need to have and if they would benefit or we believe they’d benefit from representation we’ll get them scheduled to to meet with us come into our office if they’re unable to do so we’ll go to their home or to the hospital or wherever they need to meet but that number again is 303 999-9999. And the sooner someone calls, the better off they’re going to be down the road knowing what they need to know.
SPEAKER 20 :
And that’s just also good advice. When something traumatic happens, it’s good to get experts involved right away to help you make the good decisions because it’s obviously a very emotional event that happens when you get hit by somebody else, right?
SPEAKER 03 :
It’s tough, and fortunately, we don’t deal with that on a regular basis, but a lot of folks, they kind of think, well, I’ll try to do this on my own, or they do talk to the insurance adjuster for the outfall driver’s company and are convinced, oh, they sounded like a good person. I don’t think I need to call anybody. Mistake. And there’s no cost or harm in calling me Because the initial advice is so important. So that’s what I really encourage. And any kind of an accident, Alan. It can be a slip and fall. It can be a motor vehicle collision. Anything that happens to someone, the sooner they can get good expert advice from someone at my firm or myself, the better they’re going to be.
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Exactly. So again, that’s 303-999-9999. That’s John Bosen, B-O-E-S-E-N at Bosen Law. And as always, if you hear about Kim’s sponsors on air and you forget the number, you forget who it was, you can always visit her website to find out. So thank you as always, John, for your sponsorship of the show. And thank you so much for joining us today.
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And welcome back. I’m Alan Thomas, and I’m pleased to be hosting the show today, filling in for Kim. Make sure and visit Kim’s website, kimmonson.com. You can sign up for the weekly email newsletter. And as always, you can email her at kim at kimmonson.com. Thank you all for contributing to support our independent voice and exercise of our right to freedom of speech. And through all of Kim’s work with veterans, she’s honored to highlight the USMC Memorial Foundation and all the work that they are doing to raise the money to remodel the official USMC Memorial, which is located right here in Golden, Colorado at 6th and Colfax. Paula Sorrells is the president of the foundation. She’s a Marine veteran and a Gold Star wife. Paula and her team are working diligently to make the remodel a reality, and you can help by donating at usmcmemorialfoundation.org. We are very fortunate to be joined for the remainder of the show by Rob Nadelson. He’s a nationally known constitutional scholar and author whose research into the history and legal meaning of the Constitution has been cited repeatedly at the U.S. Supreme Court, both by parties and justices. He is widely acknowledged to be the country’s leading scholar on the Constitution’s amendment procedure and among the leaders on several other topics. He was a law professor for 25 years, serving at three different universities. Professor Nadelson is currently the Senior Fellow in Constitutional Jurisprudence at the Heartland Institute in Arlington Heights, Illinois, the Independence Institute in Denver, Colorado, and the Montana Policy Institute in Bozeman, Montana. He heads the Independence Institute’s Article 5 Information Center. And with all of that, we are very lucky to have you on the line. Welcome to the show, Rob.
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It’s great to be with you, Alan. I suppose I should dust up that introduction a little bit. I’m no longer with the Heartland Institute and the Montana Policy Institute doesn’t exist. My primary location is right here in Denver at the Independence Institute. I also am a senior fellow at an organization called the Mountain States Institute. policy center where I work on Montana issues. So I work mostly on national constitutional issues and also on Colorado and also on Montana. Talk about a split personality.
SPEAKER 20 :
I noticed a theme, though, that you’re at least staying a little bit west.
SPEAKER 04 :
Say that again, please.
SPEAKER 20 :
I see that at least you’re saying west of the Mississippi, at least. So it seems to be a theme there.
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s critical. I have no interest in venturing east of the Mississippi. Too humid, too populated.
SPEAKER 20 :
And a little too close to Washington, D.C., right? You’ve got to steer clear of that.
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Many years ago, I think, well, I said many. It was about the year 2008. I was still a law professor at the University of Montana. And Justice Scalia came to town. And there’s a long story here, which I won’t go into. Our air time is limited. But it ultimately resulted in him writing me a letter, just out of the blue, saying, you know, if you’re in Washington, D.C., stop by. I’d love to meet you. Justice Scalia never does that. It’s a great honor. But I never went. I could never actually bring myself to go to Washington, D.C.
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Well, that’s a pretty amazing story anyway, but… Yeah. Well, you know, one of the the word of the day is taciturn today. And one of the sentence I came up with was knowing that we would be talking to you today as Democrats are taciturn about the Constitution right up until Trump does something they decide suddenly is a crisis. So I know we have a lot of. a lot of things that president Trump is doing right now that suddenly the Democrats seem to have dusted off their constitution and are suddenly crying crisis. But, uh, maybe you can, uh, shed some light on some of the issues going on in Venezuela. I know we have, uh, picking up Maduro. We have an embargo. We’re picking up oil tankers. Uh, I know Democrats are crying constitutional foul, but what say you Rob?
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Well, um, Let’s start with this. The people who are on the left, and I wouldn’t say they’re all Democrats, some of them are the left of the Democrats, who are complaining about Trump’s actions on the grounds that he’s overreaching, really have no grounds to complain. I mean, for years, they called perfectly honest Americans who were concerned about the division of power between the federal government and the state’s They called us nullifiers and other bad words simply because we wanted to restore the federal-state balance, and we recognize that the Constitution grants certain powers to the federal government, but does not grant all powers to the federal government. Now they’ve suddenly rediscovered states’ rights, but it’s a perverse kind of states’ rights, where they want to deny the federal government powers that are unquestionably given to the federal government by the Constitution, such as immigration control. So they don’t wear this hat well. And I think a lot of people see through the, I won’t say the hypocrisy, because I think it’s more conscious than that, through the political tactics. Now, let’s talk about Venezuela for a minute. Constitutionally, this is a tough area, so give me a second. The international law, as it was known during the founding era, is in many ways baked into the Constitution. The power of the president, the power of Congress, can be interpreted using the international law standards at the time. At the time, as now, wars were divided into two categories. Offensive and defensive. They were also divided into just and unjust wars, but we won’t get into that. Offensive and defensive. The Constitution’s general structure is to give the president free reign in defensive war while requiring a congressional declaration of war in the case of offensive war. Well, what’s the difference? Well, if somebody’s trying to invade you and you’re repelling it, that’s defensive war. If there’s an insurrection and you’re putting it down, that’s defensive war. On the other hand, if you attack another country, even justly, maybe in order to get compensation or to punish or deter the country, that’s offensive war. So whether President Trump can do what he wants to do constitutionally in Venezuela depends on which side of the dichotomy his actions are on. His argument is that he is engaging in, he may not quite express it this way, but if I were making the constitutional case for him, I would say he’s engaging in defensive war. That he is fighting against cartels that are essentially invading America, poisoning Americans, and that Maduro was very much an actor in this invasion. If he were to go further, if he were, for example, to take over Venezuela, then that would be offensive. And I would certainly be sympathetic to those who would argue that you need a declaration of war in order to do that. Thus far, I don’t think he’s crossed the line.
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And so this kind of comes back to also, you know, we had the strike against Iranian nuclear plants yesterday. And that definitely seems to go along with this. If you claim it’s defensive, you’re trying to prevent something from happening to the United States, especially in strategic areas, then the president has free reign on that. However, if we’re jumping into putting boots on the ground in Iran and Venezuela, that’s when we start to get to we need congressional approval.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Part of defensive war was your ability to make a preemptive strike. So if Iran was… imminently going to launch a nuclear attack on America or one of America’s allies, then I think the blowing up of nuclear facilities could be justified as defensive. I’ll tell you what cannot be justified as defensive, and that was Bill Clinton’s extensive operations in Serbia. You know, these bombing raids into Serbia. Now, what was going on in Serbia was really horrific. And to his credit, Clinton was trying to stop it. But that was clearly offensive war and should have required a declaration, in my view. Similarly, the the toppling of Gaddafi in Libya was more the nature of an offensive operation. and should have required a declaration of war. The fact that the left was silent then, when the president was exceeding his powers, although it was a Democratic president, while they’re squawking now, when the president is not exceeding his powers, because he’s a Republican president, indicates really that the left has gone off the wheels. I’m old enough, Alan, to remember when in Congress they used to say that partisanship stops at the water’s edge. That people needed to unite behind the president and the government in times of hostility, referring specifically to those hostilities. That time is long gone. Even the time when the left limited itself to peaceful demonstration is long gone. They’re actively involved in violence and obstruction of justice. It’s become a very sad situation.
SPEAKER 20 :
Very much so. And, you know, maybe this could also, because there is historical precedent for this kind of defensive struggle with, you know, one of the framers of the Constitution, Thomas Jefferson, when he was president with the Barbary Pirates, correct?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, he was not a framer of the Constitution. He was in France at the time the Constitution was written. And there’s a whole lot of implications you can draw from that. I’ll just tell your audience, don’t put a lot of credibility in what Thomas Jefferson said about the Constitution. He wasn’t around for the framing of the ratification. But you’re right, he did attack the Barbary pirates, which raises another category of hostilities recognized during the founding era, and that can be applied to Maduro and the cartels. There is a concept in 18th century international law. The concept is expressed in Latin as hostes humanigenres, which means enemies of the human race. An enemy of the human race is an international gangster. who wars upon everybody the classic example of the hostess humani generis is a pirate and under the law of the time the constitution was written you could go after pirates anywhere uh and uh and it didn’t require a declaration of war certainly to attack pirates Well, pirates are not the only enemies of the human race. Other kinds of international criminal gangs are as well, including the drug cartels struggling fentanyl into the United States. So there’s an alternative strategy. constitutional way in which the president can justify what he’s doing and that’s by saying i’m pursuing enemies of the human race uh and again the capture of maduro could be uh fit in into that category but a full-throttled invasion of venezuela that that would that that would not uh fit it would be okay to invade this is ironic but Under the law, as the founders understood it, it would be okay to invade Venezuela if Maduro were still in charge. But once Maduro is gone and the head of the country is no longer a narco-trafficker, then that would be an offensive operation and require a declaration of war.
SPEAKER 20 :
And this is fascinating because there’s going to be another example I think we should discuss after we go to break. And that’s what’s going on in Iran. And obviously, President Trump has made some comments in that regard. But first, we need to thank some of our sponsors. One of the great sponsors that we have is the Second Syndicate.
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SPEAKER 20 :
Welcome back. This is Alan Thomas helping host the show while Kim is taking the day off. Make sure and visit the website, KimMonson.com. Also, sign up for Kim’s weekly newsletter so you know when there will be guest hosts and who’s going to be joining the show for each day. We’ll see you next time. Their strategy first approach is all about helping you live life on your terms with clarity, confidence, and control. So call Mint Financial Strategies today at 303-285-3080. Your path to independent financial confidence starts now. We are very fortunate to have Rob Nadelson join us on the line to discuss many constitutional issues. And we were talking about offensive and defensive wars and how we can get involved. And one of the things we brought up was this crisis that’s going on in Iran and some of President Trump’s comments about it. Yeah. Rob, maybe you can help elucidate what President Trump maybe could or could not do, because we were talking about the idea of enemies against humanity and pirates. And certainly dictators slaughtering their subjects seems to be enemies against humanity. Well, before I get into that, are you able to invite listener calls today? Yes, we are. And I wanted to just go to that so I don’t totally monopolize your time. And then we have a listener calling in and we’ll get to her shortly.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay, good. I’ll go ahead and give the number. It’s 303-477-5600. 303-477-5600. This time is reserved for your calls. But on constitutional issues, please, I don’t want to talk about international strategy. Now, on the issue of Iran, that’s a tougher one. The term enemy of the human race doesn’t apply, Alan, to just any oppressive government, okay? A government could do all sorts of horrible things to his own people and not be an enemy to the human race as defined in international law. Again, the enemy of the human race characterization basically refers to these international gangs that really express allegiance to no sovereign at all. I mean, they’re completely a law in and of themselves. I think you’d be hard put to say that that characterizes the Iranian regime as despicable as that is. So President Trump’s options there are somewhat more limited, unless, as in the case with the destruction of the nuclear facilities, he can demonstrate that there is an imminent threat to the United States or to its allies. And I suspect now that the nuclear program has been destroyed, he can’t do that. So I saw one news report suggesting he doesn’t have a lot of good options, and I would agree with that. I suppose what he could do is, and he may already be doing this, is have secret operations on the ground, that is to say CIA and other kinds of secretive operations to destabilize the Iranian regime. We’re well experienced in doing that.
SPEAKER 20 :
Very good. Yeah, thank you for clarifying that. And like Rob Nadelson said, we definitely want to ask him questions and get your constitutional issues solved all in one shot. So we are very pleased to have on the line Sandra Lowell. Sandra, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 07 :
Thank you, Alan Thomas and Rob Nadelson, and thank you both for your most excellent presentations at Constitution Week this past September. It was wonderful.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, thank you. I appreciate that. You’re referring to Constitution Week in Grand Lake, right?
SPEAKER 08 :
Yeah, yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, every year, Grand Lake, Colorado, and for those of you not familiar with Grand Lake, it’s on the west side of Rocky Mountain National Park. Every year they have Constitution Week, and every year they somehow drag me over there in order to give a talk. And so it’s really great to talk to someone who heard it.
SPEAKER 07 :
Yes. My… My concern is, regarding the Constitution, Rob Nadelson, is it seems to me that certain and few states are trying to subvert our magnificent Constitution and write their own Constitution.
SPEAKER 04 :
You said certain states are trying to?
SPEAKER 07 :
Well, certain states, I mean, it seems like they want to go above the parameters of the Constitution and actually play nice in our own Constitution playground, if you will.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, well, let me give you one good example of that. I don’t normally get into personalities in this show, but I recently wrote a column about it. I’ve got another column coming out. And that’s our own Attorney General, Phil Weiser. uh taken his office and devoted resources from it to suing donald trump and if you look at the list of lawsuits against trump many of them have nothing to do with protecting the state in its traditional reserve powers its constitutional reserve powers he’s suing trump over the over the rightful exercise of federal powers So immigration is a great example. Immigration control is a power given by the Constitution, Article I, Section 8, Clause 10. It’s in there, although it doesn’t use the word immigration. And that power is given to Congress. It’s given to the federal government. On the other hand, education, the K-12 education, for example, is not given to the federal government. And so for many years, people like me were arguing, hey, look, the states need to stand up and assert themselves against the federal government’s capture of K-12 education. And we were called, as I mentioned earlier, nullifiers and slaveholders, all kinds of horrible names for that, because we wanted to restore the constitutional balance, the balance that the Constitution itself had set. Now you’ve got these guys out there. They couldn’t care less about the federal government acting unconstitutionally in areas where the federal government doesn’t have power. They’re complaining about the federal government’s actions in areas where the federal government does have power. So in a very real sense, they are trying to rewrite the Constitution, at least in the short term. I mean, if we had a new president and he wasn’t Donald Trump, you would probably find them turn on a dime. So Their attitudes are not really constitutional. They’re just temporary.
SPEAKER 07 :
Very, very good. So thank you so much, Rob. And thank you for educating us in what the Constitution really should mean to each American citizen.
SPEAKER 20 :
And thank you, Sandra, for calling in. Absolutely. And we’re also joined on the line by Ron. Ron, what’s on your mind, Ron? Or I’m sorry, we switched to Ron almost too quickly. I got Joe there, but Ron, welcome to the show.
SPEAKER 06 :
Hey, Mr. Nielsen, I was watching Congress yesterday, debate about Ilhan Omar and some of them, congressmen, Republican and Democrat, have no moral compass. I don’t even know how they make it down to the car.
SPEAKER 04 :
But they… Ron, that would be a directional compass. They have a directional compass, they just don’t have a moral one.
SPEAKER 06 :
Yeah. But what about… Some of them are treasonous. People in the government are deliberately trying to hurt America. Now, where would the president stand on this?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, the president will have to speak for himself. And I would caution you, Ron, to be very careful using the word treason. And the reason is this. There was a long history in England, of which our founders were aware, of politicians in power prosecuting their political opponents, claiming that they were guilty of treason. And they had a number of different grounds for convicting people of treason, and sometimes it was, you know, opposing the people in power. When the founders wrote the Constitution, they were very careful to limit treason to actually making war against the United States or adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. In other words, if somebody is making war on the United States or helping out an enemy that’s an act of hostility against the United States, that’s treason. But other stuff, even really bad conduct, is not treason. The other thing you raise is the lack of moral compass that many politicians have. This is something that I can speak to because I spent many years in politics. I was actually a major contender for the office of governor in the state of Montana. What I learned is that many people are in politics to play the game. Some people are in politics because they honestly want to do good. But many of them are there just because they love the game the way some people love chess or poker or whatever. And that’s all that really matters to them. So if such a person is a Republican and there are Republicans like that, all that might matter would be getting a legislative majority and being able to stick it to the Democrats and exercising power. They wouldn’t care about really advancing an agenda that’s good for the country or good for a state. And, of course, there are Democrats like that, too. It’s a sad thing to report, but it happens to be true. And it’s very, very difficult for individual voters to sort out those people who are honestly trying to benefit the country. Whether or not they agree with us politically, there are people like that who are honestly trying to benefit the country from the game players, including game players who are purportedly on our own side.
SPEAKER 20 :
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And welcome back. This is Alan Thomas, pleased to be hosting the show while Kim is out for the day. Make sure and sign up for Kim’s weekly email newsletter. You’ll get a first look at all the upcoming guests as well as the most recent essays. And something that should be on your bucket list is to visit the Center for American Values located on the beautiful Riverwalk in Pueblo. The Center for American Values was co-founded by Medal of Honor recipient Drew Dix and Emmy Award winning documentary maker Brad Padula. The center is focused on honoring our Medal of Honor recipients in teaching and upholding the principles of America, honor, integrity, and patriotism. For more information, check out their website at AmericanValueCenter.org. That’s AmericanValueCenter.org. Joining us on… On the show is Rob Nadelson, a constitutional expert, and he’s taken some great questions from our guests. We’ve gone from pirates to treason, and we have Gammy on the line to ask the next constitutional question. Welcome to the show, Gammy.
SPEAKER 08 :
Good morning. Now, listen, this is more than just constitutional. This is Declaration of Independence. This is outright liberty-related. I want to know if you, the organizations, you know, all the groups that we take notes from all the time on the King Monson Show and then follow through, listen to your posts and go out and we fight our legislature. Just to give you a caveat before I ask you, I wrote on 128 bills in 25 of the 700 bills. I got involved in Zooming, testifying. I couldn’t physically be there. And in the trenches with the best of the best of the best patriots. Mostly I call us grassroots. I have no faith left in the establishment GOP, even though I’m a precinct leader and I work hard. But I want to ask you a question. I don’t know if it was you or Alan Thomas that brought up the business about is this national? It wasn’t international. We’re talking about all the different, say, crimes that are being committed, you know, all the things that are being done. And I want to know if you have gone to a specific site and realized that not only is the assault real, on our elections national, 72 nations have had their, at least, it’s probably more, had their elections stolen. And everything that people in the establishment Republican world, they have denied, like Dick Wadham and Mr. Broussard, they have just denied that Tina Peters was innocent. And yet on her site, TinaPeters.us, it tells you all the whistleblowers. Even the DOJ has all the evidence. Obviously, look what happened in Venezuela. But it doesn’t just implicate society. Serbia, Venezuela, Sequoia, Dominion, Smartmatic. It implicates a global assault on every right that we have and why these people have come into power. And we’re talking.
SPEAKER 20 :
So maybe, Gammy, I think the question is, where does federal election law coincide with state election law and kind of how President Trump could be influencing that?
SPEAKER 08 :
No, that’s not the question. My question is, have you gone to that site and read all the evidence, GinaPeters.us, and seen how much incontrovertible evidence there is that our elections, as long as they keep being stolen, we have no nation left?
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. Ma’am, I’ve only got so much bandwidth. You know, I mentioned I was working on constitutional law in two states and on the federal level and also on the American founding. I have looked at some of the evidence pertaining to the 2020 election. I don’t have the technical expertise necessary to analyze it. when people ask me for example regarding the 2020 presidential election who do i think won i say i have no idea because i have no way of assessing that evidence i also have no way of assessing evidence of the veracity of evidence that appears to be incontrovertible but might be controvertible for reasons outside of of what’s on the website I’m not saying you’re wrong. I commend you for the activity that you and the concern that you brought to this. But it is simply outside my wheelhouse. I’ll have to leave it at that.
SPEAKER 20 :
Thank you, Rob. And also joining us online is Mark. Mark, what’s your constitutional question for Rob Nadelson?
SPEAKER 05 :
Good morning. Um, there seems to be a lot of good morning. Yeah. Hi. Um, with all the, um, you know, the legal immigration issue and the deportations, um, there seems to be a lot of confusion over, um, citizens rights, us citizens rights versus non-citizens rights. Um, so my question is, what does the constitution say about this, if anything?
SPEAKER 04 :
That’s a great question, and I can’t fully answer it. I can only answer it in part. There are some rights that are limited to citizens. There are some rights that extend to all persons. Usually, the argument over rights comes down to due process. In other words, if someone is being deported, to what extent is that person entitled to due process? Due process itself is a malleable concept. And the Supreme Court has said that the standard for, let’s say, deporting somebody who is an alien, while that person is entitled to some due process rights, it’s much less than it would be if you exiled a citizen. So that’s an area it’s very tough to pin down because, again, different categories of people enjoy different levels of due process. Let’s take, for example, another instance of a right, and that’s freedom of speech. Obviously, citizens of the United States have the full free speech right within the traditional limitations that have always existed. Somebody who is a legal alien in this country, a resident alien in the country, also has extensive free speech rights. But somebody who’s in the country on a visa… And the U.S. Supreme Court has upheld the ability of the president to deport people for expressing views the president doesn’t like if the president thinks that’s appropriate for the national interest. And the same would be true even more for somebody who is illegally in the country. That person’s rights would be restricted. So all classes of human beings within the United States have some level of rights, but the The amount of those rights, the defendability of those rights, rises according to the person’s status. You’re at the lowest level if you’re an illegal alien. You’d be a little higher if you were here legally on a visa. You’d be higher yet if you were a resident alien, perhaps, preparing for citizenship. And then you would have the full panoply of rights, including due process, trial by jury, the whole thing, if you are a citizen.
SPEAKER 20 :
Very good. And Rob, maybe that would also apply to maybe even like the Second Amendment, correct?
SPEAKER 04 :
It could potentially apply to the Second Amendment. Yeah, what I said regarding the First Amendment would also apply to the Second.
SPEAKER 20 :
Very interesting. So we’re not just picking and choosing. There is historical precedent for this.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, it’s a precedent that the Supreme Court has had to wrestle with. During the 1950s, for example, you had cases where communists or communist sympathizers who were foreigners wanted to come into the United States, say, to give a lecture or to serve as a professor at a university. And the U.S. Supreme Court said… And the president sought to exclude that person. And naturally, the person said, look, I’m entitled to free speech rights. And the U.S. Supreme Court said… No, you’re not. The president can, at his discretion, prevent any foreigner from entering the country. So the rights that non-citizens have are distinctly lower.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, that was a great question, a very interesting answer. And thank you very much, Mark, for coming on the show. And Rob, we got one more quick text question in. And, you know, we only have three minutes here, so you can do it quickly or elucidate for several minutes here. But the question is, since you’re an expert on amendments, it’s would you repeal or add to the Constitution? What would you add if you did and why? Would you repeal an amendment or would you rather propose a new one?
SPEAKER 04 :
You warned me that I only have three minutes because you recognize I’m not taciturn, right?
SPEAKER 20 :
Very good, but I’m also glad you aren’t. Yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
I would add some amendments. There are a few amendments that we’ve already adopted that I’m not enthusiastic about. and would probably repeal if I could. I’m not going to get into that because the explanations are too long. But I will mention two amendments I would probably add. I would add some kind of fiscal restraint amendment. My preferred approach would be to say if the federal government wants to increase the debt limit, it must get the approval of two-thirds of the state legislatures to do so. That would be, in effect, a balanced budget amendment. Because running a balanced budget means you don’t have to raise the debt limit. So I would like to see that. I would also like to see term limits. I would like to see term limits applied to Congress. I would like to see term limits applied to the Supreme Court, specifically one long term of 18 years and then you’re out. And I would like to see some term limits applied to executive branch officials so that we don’t have people entrenched themselves in the deep state for 30, 40 years. The priority, though, has to be Congress, because we’ve got members of Congress from safe districts sitting there for 40 or 50 years. And because they have such seniority. They exercise outside influence, even though they never really have to be accountable to the voters because the districts are safe. So term limits and a fiscal restraint amendment.
SPEAKER 20 :
Fiscal responsibility. And I love how you tied that into the state legislatures, too. I have a feeling I know what amendments you probably would be against based on that. But thank you very much, Rob Nadelson, for your time and for coming on the show and educating us about the Constitution.
SPEAKER 04 :
Thank you, Alan. It’s a privilege to be with you and a privilege to talk to your listeners.
SPEAKER 20 :
Well, thank you again. And if you want to find out what Rob Nadelson is doing, he’s doing a lot. So make sure and keep up with him. So for the end of the show, we have James Madison at Federalist No.
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The Constitution is not mere parchment barrier against the encroaching spirit of power. So today, be grateful, read great books, think good thoughts, listen to beautiful music, communicate and listen well, live honestly and authentically, strive for high ideals, and like Superman, stand for truth, justice, and the American way. You are not alone. God bless you, and God bless America.
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