Join us on Real Science Radio as we dive deep into a contentious debate between established geological theories and the controversial hydroplate theory, as advocated by researcher and pastor Kevin Lee. This week’s episode dissects a recent disparaging article against Walt Brown’s theory, emphasizing the scientific evidence which supports it. Tune in to unravel how only the hydroplate theory explains intricate celestial patterns, reflects on geological data, and stands strong against criticism. In this engaging discussion, Kevin Lee addresses the theories about interstellar bodies, challenging the conventional scientific narrative by presenting bold predictions from the hydroplate theory that continue
Welcome back to Real Science Radio. We’re concluding our conversation today with researcher and pastor Kevin Lee responding to the recent hit piece article against Walt Brown’s hydroplate theory. And before we wrap, we’ll also take a look at that so-called interstellar asteroid making headlines. Is it evidence of aliens or something far more down to earth? Let’s get right back into it.
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How can this hit piece say hydroplate theory fails when only hydroplate theory can explain contact binary asteroids? Only hydroplate theory can explain why there’s millions of rounded up boulders on comet 67P. Only hydroplate theory can explain all the amino acids, the nucleotides, the extreme TNOs. the extreme distant TNOs like Sedna, which is 83 astronomical units away from the Earth. And even the secular people realize that all 12 of the extreme TNOs have an orbital parameter of the argument of the perihelion. that indicate that it had to have gotten a gravity boost from something within the elliptic plane of the solar system. And only hydroplate theory explains that. It got a gravity boost from Neptune. And they can’t say Neptune did it, because that would mean that TNOs came from inside the solar system, which they did, according to the hydroplate theory. And so they have to think that there’s a Planet X out there, and we’re gonna find it in three years. Well, that was about seven years ago. And they never will find it because it was Neptune that gave those extreme TNOs. I mean, there is so much scientific evidence to support that the hydroplate theory explains everything. Jupiter family, the Trojans in front of and behind, everything.
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Yeah, the floating rock piles. You know, we didn’t mention the floating rock piles. We didn’t mention Bennu. Guess what they found on Bennu? Serpentonite? And where do you find serpentinite on Earth?
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Off of the mantle in the Mid-Oceanic Ridge. We see it for the mantle. So here this hit piece is all about minerals. This is an extremely intelligent person about mineral formation. And they found a mineral from the Mid-Oceanic Ridge that is found on Bennu.
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Now, a fair article might mention that, oh, by the way, there is the evidence of the serpent tonight, but we’re going to focus on the olivine. But the article doesn’t say anything like that. And just I want to remind the audience that I do have Dr. Baumgartner in writing saying that the predictions, some of which you just mentioned, not all. are quote meaningless, quote worthless. And if our object is to use science to show unbelievers that there’s credible scientific evidence for the creation and for the global flood… that all of the evidence in favor of that, none of it is meaningless. None of it is worthless. And Dr. Baumgartner, we welcome any evidence you can offer to the argument because we want to help unbelievers realize that they’ve been deceived. We want to point them toward the Creator and we’ll accept any good evidence from you, any good evidence from CRSQ, any evidence from Edward Isaacs. We want all the evidence on the table. Wouldn’t you agree with that, Dr. Baumgartner? I’m sorry, wouldn’t you agree with that, Kevin?
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Well, I hope Dr. Bumgarner realizes that that is a good question for him and he answers it for you someday because it is, he should accept the evidence. And in fact, he went even further because Brian Lauer asked him in an email, Dr. Bumgarner, what are the predictions that CPT makes? None. He has none. He admits he has no predictions. What biblical support do you have for CPT? He mentions no biblical support for CPT. I don’t have to give that to you. In that same response, he’s saying, and I don’t care about your predictions. They’re meaningless because I know hydroplate theory is a fraud. In other words, think about how unreasonable that is. I don’t care about the evidence. Don’t bother me with the facts. I have my theory, and it is the one that God ordained, and I’m the ordained spokesman from God for this theory, and don’t mess with it. That’s his attitude. And here, look at the abstract, starts out, the abstract of this Isaac slash Baumgartner article. The origin of small solar system bodies, SSSBs, such as asteroids, trans-Neptunian objects, comets, and meteorites, remains an elusive question in secular and creation cosmologies. Not true. Even that’s a false statement. It’s not an elusive question for hydroplate theory. There is not a single bit of evidence that’s come from space about any of these objects that is a failure for hydroplate theory, except the one they make up in this article, which is based on fraud. Based on false statements, I should say.
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Yes, well, I mean, we could give them the benefit of the doubt and just assume that they’re just going off pre-2008 information, which, I mean, that’s only 15 years ago. How long ago is that?
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Well, I want to get to that. So let’s say that we were advocating the 2008 position. First of all, we don’t know what the Earth is like beneath the surface. One of the things I never liked about CPT and a lot of the geologists and geophysicists, sorry, is you make a lot of assumptions that you kind of promote as fact when we really don’t know. We can drill, what, five or so miles beneath the Earth’s surface and we find what we didn’t expect that the seismic imaging told us would be there wasn’t there. So we’re always making assumptions with what’s underneath the globe and then we sell it as, okay, this is what’s happening. This is true. We’ve got to get away from that. We’ve got to make sure people understand what the assumptions are. And this article, of course, was loaded with assumptions that were sold as facts. I just have a big problem with that. As you guys know, I’ve been with the whole modeling stuff. And I just hope we can try to get people to think critically when they come across hit pieces like this. And this is what it was. It was a hit piece. I thought, Kevin, that the email that I was on that chain, I didn’t think there was anything disingenuous from Tim Clare. I think he really thought he had a feather in his cap. I really think he thought that. I could be wrong. I could be misinterpreting why that email went out. That was my first impression. Oh, they think they got us. And you know what? If they did get us, great. If there’s evidence against it, I want to know about it. But I just didn’t see that. In fact, I saw the opposite. I saw this was probably the worst hit piece of all the ones they put out. And it’s like a leaf on a tree. They think they pulled the leaf off and the whole tree’s wrong.
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Yeah. And let’s talk about that because I’m, and I told another creation scientist, very well-known, very solid engineering kind of guy, not an HPT advocate. Self-admittedly, he says he doesn’t know that much about it and he wants to know more. And I told him, look, Jay, I am only wanting the truth. If the evidence came back that that hydroplate theory is truly fatally flawed from the evidence that they’re finding in space. I would abandon it. I have better things to do as a pastor than to propagate lies and falsehoods. But the problem is that we don’t get evidence. And then somebody could say to me, and it would be true, well, what about the incoming interstellar comets and asteroids, which a prediction of hydroplate theory from Dr. Brown is… there will never be an incoming interstellar comet or asteroid, meaning coming into the solar system, meaning that they’re born in some other place in the solar system and they go whizzing by because all comets, asteroids, TNOs had their origination from the fountains of the great deep being burst up and all the debris that went out with the water became comets and asteroids with an elliptical orbit around the sun.
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And not from interstellar. Now, wait, before you go on, I want everyone to understand the gravity of that prediction. Because if you read some of the articles, we’re going to talk about this Atlas asteroid. If you read some of the articles, secular science is already asserting that they’ve proven there are interstellar objects, right? So, Dr. Brown said there will be zero, none, ever. Right. You can’t make a more bold prediction than zero, none, ever. That is the boldest predictions a scientific researcher can make. And Dr. Brown made that boldly. Yep. That’s going to be a tough one. And you’re admitting right here on the air, I want to get you on tape. You’re admitting that if the evidence comes in that proves that’s wrong, you’re willing to reconsider the whole thing.
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Well, I would say not the whole thing. Oh, wait a minute. I mean, yes and no. I mean, it would be all the – see, it doesn’t erase. The fact that there’s three interstellars right now doesn’t erase all the evidence for what we see in our solar system. But I don’t have to even consider it because there’s no proof that that the three supposedly interstellar objects came from outside of the solar system. And this is what’s so critical. Because the solar system, we know there’s orbiting bodies in our solar system that are 83 astronomical units away from the sun. The Sedna is an extreme TNO. It is orbiting the Sun in our solar system, 83 AU, astronomical units away from the Earth.
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Way out there.
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Way out there. When they saw 3I Atlas, It was 6 AU away. So we discover this. And when they saw it, its trajectory is to just go whiz by the sun. It’s not in an elliptical orbit. But it could have been. And any orbital physics engineer that’s honest would admit this. if it was in an elliptical orbit. And while it’s been out there, way out there, it was probably a long period comet, way out there, maybe coming in for the first time. And it went by another object in the Kuiper Belt, which there’s tens of thousands of Kuiper Belt objects, trans-Neptunian objects. And if it had a collision or it got a gravity boost by something that it went by, it would explain the orbit. And what they’re finding on 3I Atlas is a bunch of water, which freaks them out. Other worlds, millions of years in the early birth of the solar system, they had water too. So other stars in the Milky Way galaxy, they have the ability to have life plants because this thing – comes from Earth, has water, has minerals common to Earth, etc., etc. And so it’s not even an interstellar. It’s being advertised that because if you’re going to have an Oort cloud as the origin of comets and asteroids, there would be a huge percentage of comets that would be hyperbolic they would be incoming hyperbolic meaning they were outside of the solar system and so because they get they get none if they get one that got a gravity boost that looks like one they’re not going to tell everybody well you know we’re not saying we saw it come into the solar system but we’re going to say it’s interstellar
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Yeah, yeah. Now, Kevin, I want to apologize for the setup there because I kind of set you up with the question, but I just wanted to establish for the audience that that no scientific theory fails based on one piece of seemingly contradictory or even patently contradictory evidence. That doesn’t mean the whole theory fails. That means that it’s quite possible that an assumption you’ve made is in error and needs correction.
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Yep, and your prediction’s in error. Yeah, yeah. by being jettisoned from the earth. And the Bible says that the fountains of the great deep burst up on one day and the windows of heaven were open and it rained 40 days, 40 nights, etc. The windows of heaven being open to me is that stuff is going to be jettisoned into space and there’s going to be some of it coming back from space to bury mammoths and stuff. You know, God opened the window so he wouldn’t break the glass. That’s the way I look at it. And so all the evidence supports that, all of it. And so if God also created something that’s going to whiz by and say, hi, okay, you know, the prediction, I didn’t take the prediction that God could have created something that did that. But the evidence now is they, and now it’s behind the sun, so we can’t do any more analysis until it comes out from behind the sun. The analysis is totally consistent with The hydroplate theory premise that that two three eye Atlas was jettisoned from the earth.
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If you take the hydroplate theory, all the evidence that we have, if secular scientists would do this, then they would realize, Hey, there’s a, probably a gravitational explanation of why this thing is in the orbit that it is.
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Yeah, they don’t want to do that, though, because they just salivate of finding an interstellar comet and doing all the stuff about life on other star systems, etc.
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Let’s get to that here in a second. So I want to talk about… Find out from you, Kevin, do you think there’s aliens on that comet? 3A Atlas or 3I Atlas. But before we do that, I did want to quickly, Doug… I got to hit you up on limestone, and I’m going to do that with the interesting fact of the week. Oh, no. What theory best explains limestone?
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Is that the interesting fact of the week question?
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Well, you know, that could be. Then you can get a nice.
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I was going to say.
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Okay, so here’s the interesting fact of the week. Okay. Sedimentary rocks like limestone and chalk are largely composed of which element?
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Let’s see. Limestone and what was the other one? Chalk. Okay, as if that would help. I thought chalk was made of chalk. I’m going to say silica.
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I’m the one who gets to ask the questions, but I’m not that great at geology. Kevin, do you know the answer to this one? I mean, it’s calcium carbonate is what line?
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How could I? That’s embarrassing. See, now I know how to be embarrassed in public.
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All right.
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You have to be gracious about it.
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But I really want to get back to aliens.
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I do too. And just, again, quickly, if you want to learn more about limestone, which theory has the best explanation, I highly encourage Brian Nicol has some great YouTube videos on the hydroplate theory and one bit on limestone that’s just really interesting.
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Okay, now before we go on, is there any silica at all? I’m going to look that up because I just want to make myself feel better. If there’s some silica, I won’t feel too badly. Okay. All right, now. Wait, wait, wait. Three-Eye Atlas, but I want to get to… And I apologize, Kevin, because we were talking about this before we went on the air. We were talking about the DART mission and what happened with the DART mission and… There’s something coming up that’s related to the DART mission that’s happening right now that I didn’t know about. Can you tell our audience what’s happening?
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Well, for those that don’t know, the DART mission was a dual asteroid redirection test where we sent a space probe to go and smack into the moon called Dimorphos, a moon that was orbiting another asteroid, the mother asteroid that was bigger, called Didymus. And so we were going to smack into it to see if we could alter the orbit as a means of in the future, if we see an asteroid with Earth’s name on it, that we can go bang into it, alter its orbit so that it won’t hit Earth. That was the whole multi-million, tens of millions of dollars mission. They thought they were going to be hitting a solid rock. The mission started with hitting a solid asteroid. We knew as hydroplate theory advocates that they would be hitting a rock pile because that’s where asteroids and comets came from. It was a debris field that was jettisoned into Earth and came together and coalesced. And so when the space probe was, the cameras on the space probe, as it was getting close to hitting into the moon, demorphous, it went past Didymus, which is a floating rock pile. And then it hits demorphous, the moon, and just sank in and busted it up like a cue ball hitting a racked ball on a pool table. And they did not expect that. They promised us on Earth that there would be no effects of this because all they’re doing is hitting this thing way out there. But it launched 28, I think it’s 28, I could be wrong on that, but close to 28 big enough boulders that the Hubble telescope was able to pick up and even Earth base could see that it busted it up. And sent these things, and they had to do a calculation to find out, oh, it looks like none of them are going to hit Earth. Because if they hit Earth, it would be like a nuclear bomb going off, and they promised us that wouldn’t happen. But they’ve done the analysis, and they do think it’s going to hit Mars. So what Elon Musk should do is maybe delay wanting to put people there in Georgia.
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I was just going to say, Elon Musk is going to be real disappointed about that DART mission.
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Yeah. And see, here’s the thing, too, is they only could guess at the mass of Dimorphos. because they didn’t have a way of… You have to orbit a body to see what the mass is. You have to know the mass of one of the bodies. So they had planned, okay, we’re going to go smack it. And then the Europeans are going to put up a space probe that’s going to go and see what the effects are. We’re going to wait for all the dust to settle. And then we’re going to go see what the effects are and find out what the real mass of Dimorphos was. Well, the real mass of Dimorphos was much less than what they planned on because they considered that the mission would be successful if it altered the moon’s orbital period around Didymus, the mother asteroid. If it altered it by, I think it was a little over a minute, not even a minute, actually, not even a minute, seconds, that it would be successful. It was 32 minutes. It altered it 32 minutes. Well, the only way you can alter it that much is if the mass of the moon, Dimorphos, was much less than what you thought. Because you know the speed of the craft, you know the mass of the craft, and you’re estimating how much energy you’re going to impart onto that object. It’s a physics equation. So they… The mass was much less. Which they found on all the other things that they’ve done is the mass is so much less than what they thought it was. And there was empty space inside when they did the Tempel 1 impact mission. So this is what I’m saying is that Europeans are going to go out there with the cameras and other instruments and measuring the mass. Of the moon. Well, the moon lost a bunch of mass and ejected it into escape velocity. And now they’re all in orbits around the sun going to smack Mars. So they lost a lot of mass. But I think it’s not all back together yet because it busted up the the racked balls. And now they’re going to be in their very complicated orbits of physics because you have no atmosphere. The reason why the mass that was ejected from the Earth, all these boulders and dust and water and everything was able to come together into an asteroid is because it had an Earth’s atmosphere that was entrained to go up and water. And then the solar wind blew the atmospheres of water molecules and stuff off of these asteroids. And now that’s why they can’t explain how they came about. The secular astronomers cannot explain how a bunch of rocks and dust can come together in the vacuum of space. And if they just were to consider that it at one time had an atmosphere of water, it would make perfect sense to them. But they can’t have an explanation for that. Only hydroplate theory advocates can have an explanation for that. And so without an atmosphere, that debris pile is going to have a hard time slowing down to come back together. It’s going to be collisions and stuff that do it. And so it’s going to be interesting. My prediction will be that they’re going to be amazed. If they have the instruments on board to do it, and I haven’t researched exactly what instruments, but they’re going to find everything spectrometry would be granite, mantle material, etc. That can be explained by having come from the earth and it won’t be all back together. They’ll be shocked at how much of a rock pile that thing was. That’s my guess.
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And so the European Space Agency has a scheduled visit to Dimorphos coming up soon.
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Yeah, and I think it’s next year. And Fred, if you have time to just say, when does the… When is the European Space Agency going to visit Dimorphos? We’ll get an exact date on that.
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Yes, yes. And so you’re making another prediction, another hydroplate theory prediction, which now, despite the fact that Dr. Baumgartner classifies them as worthless and meaningless, we know that… The hard currency of real science is predictions. If you have a theory and you are willing to make a prediction, if your prediction is proven true, that lends some credible evidence to your theory. It might not prove the theory, might not prove every element of the theory, but it does provide some credible evidence that’s meaningful and worthwhile. So you’re predicting that they’re going to find that the rock pile has been kind of exploded apart and there’s still some things that, and it’s going to take gravity a long time to pull that stuff back together. And we’re going to be able to see better what was actually inside the more dense rock pile that was struck.
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Yep. And that all the evidence, if they do spectrometry and stuff like that, all the evidence could be supported by the fact this stuff came from Earth, right?
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Okay, and you mentioned specifically that there could be granite boulders that could be observed. Yep. Okay, because that’s a big deal in this article about the, oh, where’s the granite? Where’s the granite? Where’s the granite?
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Yeah. There you go. So the HERA mission is scheduled to visit Dimorphos in late 2026, so about a year from now. Okay. So, Kevin, we’ll have you on probably before then, but maybe next year we’ll revisit this prediction. So I did want to get back to… Can I get a second on this prediction?
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I would not, you know, again, I am a hydroplate theory advocate. I do have orbital physics in my background. I am not all-knowing. And I wouldn’t have even done this if Dr. Walt Brown was still alive because I would have asked him first because he’s the genius in the room. And he might have said, Kevin, you get some stuff right, but you’re wrong on that because he would have had maybe a different view. I don’t think so. I think he would have agreed, but I don’t know. I’m just saying. I think that’s what they’re going to find. I don’t want to hit peace. This is now proven. Hydroplate theory is proven to be false because Kevin made a prediction and it didn’t come true.
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And so, by the way, Kevin, I appreciate the fact that you are humble enough to be just willing to separate your prediction. from Dr. Walt Brown’s hydroplate theory. Now that Walt Brown has gone on to his reward, and God is busy correcting Walt’s papers right now, and Walt’s glad to get any corrections. So we don’t want to necessarily associate your prediction with Walt Brown’s hydroplate theory. This is Kevin Lee’s prediction. So since this is time stamped and you’ve had the temerity to make this prediction almost a year in advance, we just want to make sure all the facts are out there on the table. And I look forward to finding out what we see. That would be really interesting. It will be. Now, Three-Eyed Atlas. Aliens? Yes?
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That was popularized by a Harvard astronomer named Avi Loeb. L-O-E-B. Oh, yeah. And I wrote a response to this that I never did publish it. Every single item in his write-up makes these bold assertions that are ridiculous. Like… incoming hyperbolic the evidence will show he says it’s incoming hyperbolic it’s from it’s from some other galaxy far far away or Milky Way galaxy no honest scientist and this is what I said I’ve already said it here no honest scientist should say that they are certain atlas 3i atlas is interstellar since they didn’t even see it until it was between the orbit of Jupiter and Saturn. How can you know that it didn’t get a gravity boost? Any honest scientist would agree with that. The probability of an interstellar object flying so extraordinarily close to Mars, Jupiter, Earth, Venus is virtually zero. Not true. If the hydroplate theory explanation… for it being an asteroid that was in the elliptical orbit in the ecliptic plane, you know, is going to be coming back into the solar system. It got a gravity boost to show that it’s just flying by.
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