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Join hosts John Rush, Bob Duco, and Neil Boron as they delve into the complexities and controversies surrounding the Big Beautiful Bill. This episode explores the surprising House approval, the potential impact on Planned Parenthood, and the bill’s journey through the Senate. Uncover the financial implications on national debt and tax cuts, and engage in a thorough discussion about the future of healthcare funding.
SPEAKER 01 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
Welcome again. Another episode of the National Crawford Roundtable. I’m your host, John Rush, from Denver, Colorado. My show, Rush to Reason. Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan. Bob Duco’s show, and Neil Boron from Neil Boron Live. Guys, we’re all together today. Welcome. Howdy, howdy. Always a joy. I learn a lot from you guys on a weekly basis, which I know I say it a lot, but I appreciate that greatly. We’ve got a lot to talk about today. We’re going to get into the big, beautiful bill, different things that are in that, good, bad, and otherwise. Will it pass the Senate? We will talk about the no tax on tips that did pass 100 to 1, or sorry, 100 to 0, I should say, the Ukraine-Russian war. Trump wants to redistribute some Harvard funds to trade colleges. We’ll talk about that. And then maybe if we get time, we’ll talk about the new or I shouldn’t say new, but the advancement in the Tesla robot and where that’s headed, and we might get to that. If not, we’ll push that off to another week. Guys, let’s get started with the big, beautiful bill. Bob, we were talking even before we came on air this morning about the fact that the defund, defunding, I should say, of Planned Parenthood in the bill that passed the house which it is surprising that it did because of some of the folks that are even on our side of the aisle that don’t believe that would be the right thing to do which i don’t understand how they would believe that but anyway they do so it’s surprising that it got that far the question is what will happen in the senate there’s a lot of other things inside of the bill the question is how much does that bill get gutted before it even comes back to the house
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, you know, I really thought the biggest resistance to the bill would be the defunding of Planned Parenthood, even though, yeah, barely passed the House 215-214. You had the head of the Freedom Caucus have voted present to basically allow this to go forward. You had a couple of Republicans that, you know, voted no on the bill. But I know that in the House there are at least – And so the fact that Mike Johnson actually got them to go along with a defunding of Planned Parenthood, and frankly, I’m a little bit surprised that the press and the Democrats and everything else isn’t making a really big issue about this and almost defunding Planned Parenthood. defining the bill as a defund Planned Parenthood bill. So I’m a little bit surprised that that part of this bill has been as low key and below the radar screen, even in the press, as it has been. And so, yeah, now what happens in the Senate? Well, I’m guessing a couple of the pro-abortion rhinos like Susan Collins and Lisa Murkowski certainly will vote no, I’m assuming. And then the question is, is there going to be more than one defection there. If there’s one more defection, that would be 50-50, and J.D. Vance is a tie-breaking vote. But no, as it turns out, the Planned Parenthood defunding has not been the big resistance issue. The big resistance issue has been the increased spending and a lot of other things. It doesn’t really do a whole lot to reduce the debt. The Freedom Caucus, people upset about that. So I’m a little bit surprised.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, you’re exactly right. More along those lines, some of the Medicaid issues, the SALT deduction that a lot of folks get that the rest of us pay for. That, to your point, Bob, has been a bigger news story in the press, at least from what I’ve read. Honestly, I saw some blurbs just probably because of what, you know, the three of us do and what you follow and so on when it came to Planned Parenthood. But I have not seen that, you know, front and center, which I was kind of surprised at.
SPEAKER 03 :
Which, by the way, can I just say also, John, when you talk about like Medicaid and stuff like that, I just want to make sure to remind everybody – I know us three know this, okay? There is nothing in this bill that slashes or reduces Medicaid for bona fide recipients at all. There is no senior citizen that’s going to have a dime of reduction in their Medicaid. There’s no disabled person, no pregnant woman. Nobody like that is going to have a dime. The only people – that are getting taken off of Medicaid are young, healthy, able-bodied people who are just too lazy to get a job and therefore have health insurance through their employer. Instead, they want to sit on mom’s couch and play video games and collect Medicaid for being quote unquote low income. And those people don’t even have to go out and get a full-time job and get private health insurance through their full-time job. All they have to do is work 80 hours a month, which is about 18 and a half hours a week, part-time, and they could still collect Medicaid. So get off your rear end for just 18 hours a week and you can still collect Medicaid. That is extremely generous and, dare I say, liberal on the part of Trump and the Republicans. So I don’t know how anybody can criticize the approach to Medicaid.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, I agree, Bob, too. Some of the other cuts that are coming along those lines, too, which I don’t want to get off into the weeds because some of this can get very technical, but states upcharge the federal government for Medicaid. And it’s a long kind of roundabout way as to how they do that, which I’m not going to get into. I’ve talked about it on my program. But those are some of the other things, Bob, that they’re talking about doing as well, where it’s not anything to do with care. It’s the way that financially the federal government, we as federal taxpayers, are reimbursing states for Medicaid. meaning that we’re getting upcharged. States are making money, by the way, off of their Medicaid programs on the federal level, which shouldn’t be that way. So those are some of the other things that they’re talking about. And again, kind of gets into the weeds of things, Bob. But to your point, no, no able-bodied individuals, no elderly, nobody along those lines at all. The able-bodied people have to go back to work, but the elderly, some of those folks that are on Medicaid, there’s not going to be any effect to that whatsoever, no matter what the press says, no matter what the liberal left says. Neil, I’ll throw this to you. That’s not in here. That’s not going to happen.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. Well, and another aspect of this, I think you’re kind of saying it without saying it, but the idea that sometimes Medicaid patients get overcharged simply because medical providers know that ultimately the money’s coming from the government. And so they can add in an upcharge and that that will be eliminated in this bill. So everybody would pay the exact same thing, whether you have private health insurance or you’re on Medicaid. And that would end up saving the government an awful lot of money because nobody would be able to be patting those hospital charges and whatever. But going back to the abortion question, I don’t disagree with anything Bob said. It’s really surprising to see that it hasn’t been talked about more often. But my question is why? Like, how is it that the media has given a pass on this? And some of the normal people that you hear squawking about these kinds of things aren’t making a bigger deal of it. It’s, it’s really unprecedented. I don’t have an answer for it, but I just wonder if you guys have any speculation.
SPEAKER 02 :
And I’ll talk to you. I’ll ask you first, Neil, Bob, you can chime in. Do you think it’s because sometimes we don’t talk about a lot of things on our site because we just know at the end of the day, That’s not going to happen anyways. Do you feel like maybe the left is looking at this like, yeah, that’s in the House bill, but the Senate is going to take care of that on their own. There’s no need to, you know, let’s concentrate on the things that really matter at the end of the day.
SPEAKER 04 :
It could be. And I hope you’re not right, you know, but at some point, you know, we’re going to hear about it. I mean, Planned Parenthood isn’t just a single organization. There’s a network of people that are pro-abortion to the max and literally are part of a culture of death. And I can’t see that anybody’s just going to go, well, I guess, you know, got cut. No more funding for Planned Parenthood. That will not happen. So eventually we’re going to hear about it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Bob, you agree with me that some of that might just be that their thought is it’s going to get handled in the Senate, so why focus on it?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know what, though? There’s part of me, and I don’t know if this is really the case or not, but there’s part of me that wonders, does the left think we have abortion motivation or we have abortion trending on our side ever since 2022? And so let’s not mess with that because if we make an issue out of the funding thing, it could could be a case where Americans say, well, no, we don’t want abortion made illegal, but it’s a fair point to say, should taxpayers really be paying for it? So maybe the left is actually afraid of that debate because it starts shifting the abortion discussion back in the favor of pro-lifers a little bit. Maybe they’ve been doing some internal polling or whatever of Americans and finding out that Americans are like, We want abortion legal, but we think it’s a fair argument to say it shouldn’t be paid for by the American taxpayer. And maybe the Dems know that they would lose that in the court of public opinion, and then it shifts the trending back toward the pro-life side. So that could be the case too, although I just don’t know.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I want to believe that’s true, but I doubt it.
SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
They are a phenomenal sponsor. And by the way, Neil, can I just say, my wife and I have probably seen every episode of Everybody Loves Raymond. And so one of these days we’ll have to sit around and compare notes about the best episodes.
SPEAKER 04 :
I’m hooked, man. I’m so hooked. My dad used to love it, and now we got into it.
SPEAKER 03 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
All right, guys, I appreciate that very much.
SPEAKER 03 :
I thought I’d throw it to Neil, but John, how about I throw it to you instead? That actually makes more sense. Neil’s got me all hung up on Everybody Loves Raymond. Now I’ve got all the episodes running through my head.
SPEAKER 04 :
You caught me off guard. I had my mic off and I was trying to think of my favorite episode, but go ahead. Sorry, John.
SPEAKER 03 :
Oh, John, do you even watch Everybody Loves Raymond?
SPEAKER 02 :
No, that’s a show I never got into. Sorry, guys. Really? Oh, wow.
SPEAKER 03 :
Neil, I need to be praying for John.
SPEAKER 02 :
I don’t watch a lot of TV anymore.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, I thought you were a good guy, man. Sorry.
SPEAKER 03 :
Whatever. He’s one of them. He’s one of them.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. Back to the big, beautiful bill. And what’s going to be interesting, too, on this, Bob, as you know, is, of course, there’s all sorts of individuals, the budget office even talking about how much debt this adds and so on. And that’s part of the controversy even inside the Senate is how much debt is this really going to add? It’s going to make some of the tax breaks worse. Of course, we’ve had in the past permanent. It’ll make some of these, you know, the salt, the state and local tax deductions. It also does some things in regards to, you know, clean energy tax breaks and things along those lines. It scraps some of those, which, by the way, I’m I am all for. Bottom line is there’s folks inside. To your point earlier, Bob, there’s folks inside the Senate that don’t think this goes far enough in some of those cuts.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Well, and this is where. The Republicans, I think they have to be pragmatic about certain issues because, you know, I wish that the Republicans were all as fiscally conservative as the House Freedom Caucus. OK, I wish they were, but they’re just not. And they’re afraid of their own constituents and not getting reelected if they get branded as somebody who’s taking food away from senior citizens and children in schools. That’s not the case, but it’s perceived that way and presented that way in the media. So to me, look, I look at a vote in the House of 215 to 214, and you know what that tells me? That tells me that Trump… And Mike Johnson got the absolute most that they possibly could out of the House Republicans. OK, the House Freedom Caucus on one side, the liberal rhinos on the other. 215 to 214 is as close as it gets. And so I just don’t know how much they left on the table today. that they could have gotten in addition to that. And I think the Senate Republicans need to realize that as well. And we got to remember, a massive part of this bill is making permanent the tax cuts. Everybody’s facing a pretty big tax increase by the end of this year if this doesn’t get passed.
SPEAKER 02 :
That’s right. Good point, Bob. Yeah. And again, that’s where a lot of the left, of course, and a lot of the criticisms are coming in. And one of the things we’ve talked about on this program many times, and I know I have on my program individually i’m sure you guys have as well as the lies the left push out about those tax cuts and the fact that they only benefited the wealthy which is a flat out and out lie they benefited middle america in fact low income voters in a lot of cases became net tax receivers instead of net taxpayers so anytime you hear the left say that the only thing that those tax breaks ever benefited were the were the rich you know you know uh you know, Trump’s buddies, his billionaire buddies, you’ll hear them say those sorts of things. Out and out, flat out lie. And to your point, Bob, for the majority of people, if those tax cuts don’t stay permanent, you’ll see an increase across the board.
SPEAKER 03 :
Hey, can I say something about that, John? Go ahead. And then, Neil, I’m going to give you a chance too. But this is something that I’ve been challenging my audience to do, the liberals in my audience who say that this is a tax cut for the billionaires. I’ve been challenging them. Go back, any of you, if you still have your pay stubs from 2016 and 2017 – in 2018. Look at your pay stubs from the end of 2017. Look at your new pay stubs in 2018 after the tax cuts went into effect. And then you tell me if your take-home pay didn’t go up without you getting a raise. And then the next question is, are you a billionaire or even a millionaire? And if not, will you have the integrity to say, I apologize, I was wrong. It looks like I have believed the lie. And then the very same thing applies to the end of this year. If this is a tax break for billionaires and this does not pass, I want you to look at your first paycheck of 2018 and ask yourself, did I just get a pay cut? No. No, you now have more taxes being taken out. And then ask yourself, am I one of the millionaires or billionaires? Well, I’m not. Well, is it possible then that maybe just maybe the conservatives were telling the truth that this is a tax cut for everybody like me and the liberals have been lying about this just being a tax cut for the billionaires? Look at your own pay stubs and then you tell me who’s lying.
SPEAKER 02 :
The other thing they can look at, Bob, too, which should be – I know a lot of people don’t understand the tax sides of things and maybe – don’t even understand their own tax return, but very, very few people nowadays itemize because of the Trump tax cuts. They gave you so many flat out across the board deductions that you no longer had to go through and have a receipt for this and a receipt for that. And let’s deduct this and let’s deduct that. No, it was a flat out deduction across the board. And that’s why a
SPEAKER 04 :
at the end of the day those are the things that i’m talking about so really if you’re if you’re one of those that doesn’t itemize chances are if this doesn’t go through and you go back to the way it used to be you’re going to be paying more in taxes period that’s right absolutely go ahead a couple things here um obviously the midterms are coming and that’s an issue and you know john you did an incredible job i think it was you talking about maybe it was bob i don’t know but uh talking about the uh able-bodied worker that could be working but isn’t. And then the minimal requirement of maybe working 18 and a half hours per week in order to stay on Medicaid to provide something for their own needs that way. I mean, okay, so that’s part of it. And those are some of the people that this whole thing looks at. But there’s an awful lot of aging, patriot American Republicans that are real concerned about know what happens to medicaid and social security and i’m not saying anything majorly detrimental is going to happen there perhaps nothing but i’m just raising the issue that perception is greater than reality sometimes and depending on what the media can do with this and depending on how the fight goes in the senate you know what gets what gets communicated to the american population on medicaid and social security is going to be key in the uh midterms i think secondarily i wish whenever the term spending cut is used by any member of congress any elected official that they would define what they actually mean because like if you picture a guy with a hundred thousand dollar income and he’s and and he’s two hundred thousand dollars in debt and he says well next year i’m gonna do better i’m gonna try to really reign it in i’m only gonna spend a hundred and thirty thousand dollars people go are you out of your mind you’re already in debt and you’re gonna overspend again okay i’ll cut my spending and now i’m only gonna spend 120 000 next year Well, you’re still you’re still mortgaging your future. And that’s that’s honestly what one of my big concerns about all of this is because if the debt continues to grow and I honestly remember talking about the debt as an issue when it was $4 trillion, like back in the nineties, we had a lot of conversations on my program about it back then. And one day I was in New York City Not that I go there much, but I was in there. I was in New York City and I looked at that time counter in Times Square or whatever, the national debt counter. I mean, the thing is buzzing by like the debt is increasing as we speak, just astronomical increases. So ultimately what happens to our kids and grandkids? And the truth is you either bring in money via taxes. Or you cut spending. And I don’t think anybody wants more taxes. We need less so that we can spend more money and that the economy can revive. Nobody can handle more taxes. So there has to be cuts in spending, like real cuts, not fake cuts. And I am concerned about that part because this bill does seem to add to the future debt of the United States. And I don’t think that’s a good thing for our kids. So I hope they can figure that part out.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and by the way, we’ve got a few minutes here before we have to talk about SunPower and Preborn. But along those lines, the one thing that you and I both complain about continually, you did a good job of messaging the 18 and a half hour work week. The problem is nationally, we don’t do a good job of that.
SPEAKER 03 :
We really don’t. And, John, you and I are like a broken record when it comes to the right in this country effectively messaging and branding and communicating. They tend to do a lousy job of it. One of the things we’ve got to remember about cuts to entitlement programs and such is that most of these cuts are actually not cuts. They’re just reductions in the amount of growth. So when we’re used to having a 5% or 6% annual increase to something, and instead it’s going to be a 3% to 4% increase, the Democrats call that the Republicans cutting it. The media reports it’s a cut, and people thinking that their entitlement checks that they receive from the government are actually going to be reduced. No, they’re just not going to go up as high of a rate as they normally do. So most of these are not even – actual cuts anyway. Most of the cuts are happening through elimination of waste and fraud, which is certainly a good thing. And yeah, and you know something? Making that 25-year-old kid get off his lazy rear end of mom’s couch and go out and get a job, that has zero effect on grandma and her Social Security or her Medicaid payments. If anything else, it strengthens that because it makes it more solvent. That’s right.
SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 03 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
No, I appreciate you guys. And yeah, for all of you listening, please support those different companies that make this thing, make this podcast happen on a weekly basis. We appreciate them greatly. Appreciate all of the things I’ve learned, by the way, Neil, especially from SunPowerLED and Bob, the support that we have given to Preborn over the years. Fabulous. Last but not least, not to continue on, Bob, but the lies that the left continues to pour out, that affects the pre-born side, which I’m sure you can talk about here in our next hour. Sorry, our next half, I should say, of this hour in a few minutes as well. We’re going to wind things down here for the first half of the National Crawford Roundtable. And, folks, one of the things we’re going to talk about here as we come back is the Ukraine-Russia war is actually on the increase. It’s not on the decrease yet. So that’s something that we’ll get into. Also going to talk about if we have time, Trump wanting to redistribute the Harvard funds. There’s, I believe, about three billion dollars that are in funds that would that would typically go to, in this case, Harvard. And Trump is wanting to redistribute those things out to trade colleges. We’ll get into some of that here. in just this next half hour as well. But again, folks, support our sponsors if you would. We appreciate it very much. Again, myself, I’m John Rush from Denver, Colorado. My show is Rush to Reason. Bob Duco from The Bob Duco Show from Detroit, Michigan. And of course, Neil Boron from Neil Boron Live out of Buffalo, New York. This is the first half of the National Crawford Roundtable.
SPEAKER 01 :
This is a Crawford Media Group production.
SPEAKER 02 :
All right, welcome back. Second half, National Crawford Roundtable. Again, I’m your host, Sean Rush, Rush to Reason, Denver, Colorado, Bob Duco, Detroit, Michigan, The Bob Duco Show, and Neil Boron from Buffalo, New York, from the Neil Boron Live. So guys, we’ll see what happens with the Senate when it comes to the big, beautiful bill and what all, if any, gets gutted. Who knows? I mean, that’s one of those things that we’ll just have to wait and see what happens. There are, of course, deadlines. Maybe Bob isn’t the right way to say that, but there’s things that need to happen in a timely fashion. They can’t just sit on this thing forever. And I think that’s It is something that we’re going to have to get done. And of course, there’s talk if no matter what happens, the debt ceiling will have to be raised, period. I believe it’s July is the date for that. So the reality is there’s things that have to get done in the Senate no matter what.
SPEAKER 03 :
Right. Well, and there is. And I hate, hate, hate the idea of lifting the debt ceiling. I do. I don’t know, honestly, what the answer is to get Republicans to be fiscally conservative, they’re unfortunately not. They’re willing to run up the credit card as well. They just don’t run it up as high as Democrats want to run it up. And we both know it’s because Republicans, I mentioned this earlier, they’re afraid of the media and they’re afraid of their constituents. Because if the media portrays them as taking necessities away from poor people, then they get voted out of office. And so how do you get around that? You become better at communicating. Well, the Republicans stink at communicating and staying on message and having one cohesive message from the entire party. And that’s unfortunate. I believe if they could get better at that, the American public would understand that we have to scale back our spending in certain areas. And that means that the government is not the be-all, end-all for every need that people have. Right.
SPEAKER 02 :
For example, Bob, along those lines, when’s the last time you heard a message out of D.C., out of us, Republican National Committee even, that then gets filtered out to every state? When’s the last time anybody talked about what the annual interest alone is on the national debt? When’s the last time you heard that figure, Bob?
SPEAKER 03 :
You know what? Hardly ever. And right now, if I remember right, I believe the interest is knocking on a trillion dollars a year. It’s $1 for every $7 spent.
SPEAKER 02 :
It’s the largest line item we have.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, it is insane. And so what could we do with a trillion dollars a year? It’s like, oh, my goodness. So I don’t know.
SPEAKER 04 :
I don’t mean to belabor this because we did talk about it in the first – you know, half hour of the podcast, but our children’s future does matter. Like at some point if, if the debt continues to increase, especially at the rate it’s been going, eventually there comes a point of implosion, right? Like at some point you can, you can no longer afford to pay your debts and you’re bankrupt. Well, we’re probably already technically on paper in that position, but to just say, we’re going to raise the debt ceiling and move along and pretend everything’s okay. That’s pretty scary because we’re handing our kids. That’s like saying, OK, well, I’m getting ready to pass away here, but here’s the legacy I’m leaving you. I’m leaving you, you know, my son, my daughter with one hundred million dollars in debt. Really? That’s their future. Well, that’s not an accurate number based on this, but you get the point I’m trying to make here. And so. Where does that end? And who’s gonna have the courage to do it? And what’s kind of baffling to me is that Donald Trump doesn’t seem really that concerned about this. And if anybody was gonna have the backbone to be able to say, we need to spend less than we bring in, which is the only way to grow your income, right? You gotta spend less than you make. And if taxes bring in X, then we got to spend less than that. Nobody’s ever been able to do it. And apparently as a part of this bill, you know, they’re going to have to ask for an increase to the debt limit yet again. And I think it’s dangerous. What that means to me, you can convince me otherwise, but what it means to me is the implosion is coming and there’s no way to stop it. Unless you’re going to change this, it will happen and America will be utterly bankrupt.
SPEAKER 02 :
It’s a trillion, 26 billion as we speak, and that is the interest on the debt. And again, that’s a figure that most people don’t talk about nationally or even locally in politics and so on. And there are several ways, not to get off track, but there are several ways to address this. Keep in mind that the higher the interest rates are, which I know is one thing that the Trump administration right now is really – working hard on they’re trying to work around the fed even because the fed is probably not going to do anything but they’re trying to work around the fed but the reality is the you know the higher the interest rates are the bigger that interest on that debt is which is a whole nother problem we could probably spend an entire hour on a podcast talking about that and even explaining to the average individual how that actually works because i don’t think bob in most cases people even understand what i just said yeah
SPEAKER 03 :
They really don’t, unfortunately. And so I guess part of the challenge here, and I know what Neil’s talking about, that if anybody would have the backbone to speak up about the debt, it would be Donald Trump and reductions. But then part of the challenge is that how does Trump get his agenda forwarded then? Because a lot of things in the bill that he wants to push forward, if he doesn’t get anything done, if Trump’s like, no, I’m demanding that we actually really reduce spending by $2 trillion a year and that doesn’t include waste. I think that would be fiscally responsible, would be fiscally right. But you lose every Democrat and you lose about a third, if not half, of the Republicans on that because they just wouldn’t have the guts for it. That’s right. I mean, I hate to say it. I’m not trying to defend Donald Trump here. But what else does he do if you’ve got a third to half of Republicans? It’s like, oh, I’m not touching that with a 10-foot pole. I’ll worry about that for the next generation. I mean, I hate to say it.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, to your point, you’re really caught between a rock and a hard spot, Bob. You’re 100 percent correct. Right. Again, not defending him because Neil is correct. It needs to happen at some point. But I hate to bring everybody the bad news. It’s not going to.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and the $2 trillion kind of rings a bell because isn’t that what Doge set out to eliminate?
SPEAKER 02 :
Set out to eliminate, yes.
SPEAKER 04 :
And didn’t do it. So, again – Well, no, really quick.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, not yet. Yeah, not yet. Keep in mind there’s a lot of legal things that they’re also fighting, legal challenges that have now gone even to – Supreme court reality is they wanted to do a lot more. The problem is every single time they wanted to cut something, it was nothing but resistance from the left, which again, Bob, the messaging sides of things, we don’t tell people enough of that.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know. I know. And you see your average voter doesn’t really know the facts.
SPEAKER 04 :
Unfortunately, they just skim the headlines of the mainstream press and they think they’re getting the news and pay attention to what the Democrats are saying during their campaign ads on television. headed up to the midterms. It’s going to be all about the failure of Doge, blah, blah, blah. Okay. In the long run, probably great gains made in that area. But, and it was totally necessary that we have that kind of fiscal responsibility that somebody is looking at waste and fraud and the whole thing. Everybody in the common sense kind of way knows that, but all of these things are going to be used against Republicans in the midterms. And I’m a little concerned about that, to be honest.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, I am too. And that’s something we can probably talk about. On down the road a little bit here, guys. Ukraine-Russia war. Let’s talk about that for a few minutes. This is something that is always in the news, of course, but it becomes heavier at times than others. And right now, you know, Trump is now threatening sanctions against Russia. Putin is not willing to come to the table. Things are escalating. He’s trying to fund the war machine. I mean, at the end of the day, Bob, it’s a big deal. Before we get into that, though, before we start talking about the whole Russia-Ukraine thing, let’s talk about pre-born and let’s make sure people understand how to give to them.
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SPEAKER 02 :
All right, back to the Russia-Ukraine war. Things have, of course, escalated. Even this past weekend, there were different things that were happening in regards to attacks and missiles and different things the EU even said that Ukraine could now use and so on. Reality, Bob, is… This thing isn’t de-escalating, and I’m a little bit surprised. It’s one of those areas that I felt like Donald Trump would have handled by now. I figure within 180 days or so of him being president, he would have a lot of these things dialed in. And the fact of the matter is, Putin just doesn’t want to give up anything at all. The guy won’t even come to the table with Ukraine, which I think shows you his character. I mean, I get it. It’s a war. At the same token, it’s not going to benefit Russia at the end of the day to continue down the path that they’re going.
SPEAKER 03 :
You know, the only thing I can think is that maybe Vladimir Putin has been convinced that this will go down into the history books as another stalemate for Russia like their 12-year Afghan war embarrassment. That Russia was at war with Afghanistan for 12 years and couldn’t beat them. And it basically became their Vietnam. And that with Ukraine, he can’t seem to beat Ukraine as well, and he’s afraid of looking weak. And so, therefore, it’s like, no, I’m going to keep pounding them into – submission as much as I can. I just, I don’t know. Look, I’m with you. I am surprised. I thought Trump would have brokered something by now between the two, but if I can come to Trump’s defense, if Trump can’t broker it, I don’t know who could. So I would still tend to say, let the best negotiator on planet earth, let him keep working this. And if anybody can bring it together, I think it would be him. It’s just it is taking a lot more time and it’s a lot more difficult. And, yeah, Vladimir Putin is just not willing to play ball. And it’s unfortunate. But I think Trump would be right then to increase sanctions on Russia and say, you know something, Vladimir, I don’t want to play dirty with you, but you leave me no choice. Here we go. Here go the increased sanctions. You’re just going to hurt financially as a result of this. Don’t be stupid about it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, and he even made a quote that Trump said, you know, we’re in the middle of talking, and he’s sending rockets into Kiev and other cities. I don’t like it at all. Well, yeah, of course he doesn’t like it, and that’s just dumb on Putin’s part. Again, at the end of the day, this isn’t going to end well for Russia. And, you know, where I feel bad, Bob, is, of course, there’s a lot of folks inside of Russia, Christians and so on, that are going to be affected by the stupid moves of their leader.
SPEAKER 03 :
I know they are. And so I maybe this is a thing where the people of Russia need to start kind of revolting a little bit with with Putin. He’s just so bent on looking strong and not looking weak. And by the way, Donald Trump. has been willing to massage Putin’s ego publicly. If you notice, he hasn’t really talked in mocking, belittling tones toward him because he understands that, hey, I’m dealing with an ego here. If anybody gets ego, Donald Trump does. He’s got one himself, and he knows that his other leaders know they got to massage Trump’s ego if they want to get anything out of him. Trump knows that about Putin, and it hasn’t been enough so far. So there comes a point where where Trump is going to have to, yeah, he’s going to have to step up the punishment on Putin, but still try to help him save face. If he can convince Putin, here’s an exit strategy for you to get out of the Ukraine war and save face and still look strong and not make it look like a second Afghanistan stalemate embarrassment for you. If Trump can come up with a way to create that perception on the world stage, then I think he can get Putin to maybe consider it.
SPEAKER 02 :
Neil, the one thing, and you talked earlier about the midterms in 2026, and not that this will have… a huge effect on midterms. It could have some effect because, again, it’s one of the things that Donald Trump talked about having done before he even came into office. And you heard what I said to Bob a few minutes ago. I really felt like this is one of those things that by now he would have handled. The problem is, and I believe everything Bob is saying is correct, Putin just doesn’t want to give in. He doesn’t want to lose face over anything. So I guess the question at the end of the day, Neil, is how do you deal with a madman? Because literally that’s what Putin is.
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, yeah, you’re right. But on top of that, Trump has given the impression that he knows how to deal with a madman. And now it’s kind of being revealed that he maybe doesn’t. And I don’t think anybody fully understands Vladimir Putin. I mean, if you recall, what was it, a month or two ago, he sent the text, Vladimir, stop. stop sending these rockets in there well uh you know into ukraine well he’s still doing it and and it’s not going away so he he has no other choice but to impose more sanctions and then even i think what they call secondary sanctions on people that are buying goods and services from russia the people supporting the russian war machine right so now you’re into secondary sanctions because you’ve got to put the clamp on this somehow and again heading into the midterms you’re going to see this but you know he was the one who said that he could end this war in a day like you know if i’m president of the united states russia ukraine war is over in a day well everyone knows at least supporters of trump know that he speaks often with hyperbole but come on uh He doesn’t appear to be any closer, in fact, maybe further away from solving this issue. So really, ultimately, this thing has to get under control by the midterms or again, conservative Republicans are in big trouble. I’m not putting blame on Trump because I don’t think a madman like Vladimir Putin can really be dealt with. But on top of that, too, you’re dealing with another madman. I don’t care how you say it. You know, a couple of years ago, if you go back like three years ago on this podcast, maybe four. We were calling Ukraine the most corrupt nation on the planet. So I don’t really know what’s going on in the Ukraine side. And I think there’s way more complicating factors than any of us fully understand about all of this. But Donald Trump obviously does not control Vladimir Putin. And I think Putin wants the world to know that. However this thing resolves, I think everybody’s going to need to eat a little bit of crow or it’s not going away anytime soon.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, and I agree. And even today, the Senate Republicans, those of us that, you know, our side of the aisle, I should say, are demanding sanctions against Russia, trying to put more pressure on him. And again, this just isn’t going to end well for Putin, although he’s one of those guys, as Bob said, I don’t know. At the end of the day, he really cares what everybody else thinks. This is more about him and his country and his ultimate mission and goal as to what he wants to do there. in the first place. Let’s talk, guys. We’ve got a few minutes here left, and I did want to get this. This is very, to me, especially my background, you guys know where I’ve come from and so on, but Trump threatening to redistribute $3 billion in Harvard grants to trade schools, which, by the way, knowing what Harvard, I’ll start with you, Bob, knowing what Harvard has done or not done, maybe, is the way to say it, or what they’ve done in regards to antisemitism and the wokeism and so on. You know what? As a trade guy myself, I would welcome this all day long. Do it, Trump. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 03 :
Look, this is sending a powerful message to all colleges in America, okay? If you’re going to be woke, if you’re going to promote or turn a blind eye to anti-Semitism, then you need to be called on the carpet for this. And by the way, they recognize this. Did you see what Harvard University’s president, Alan Garber, given the commencement address, what he said during the commencement address? He said, you know something? We don’t have enough conservatives on campus and the other viewpoints, and they’re afraid to speak up, and this is a problem, and we need to address this. So here he is publicly saying, you know, we’re too liberal heavy, and we’re not making conservatives feel welcome enough and their voices. That’s clearly – His way of trying to stave off Trump in coming after them while at the same time fighting in the courts to stop their funding from being removed. So, yeah, there’s no reason in the world that we ought to be funneling all the money that we do to these colleges, Ivy League colleges and such. When they push a bunch of liberal left-wing wokeism, frankly, I don’t think we ought to be publicly funding them anyway. Let their alumni do it. Have fundraisers, okay? Do it the way everybody else normally does it and raise your money through tuitions and such. But to think that it’s the taxpayer’s job to prop up these colleges, I don’t believe in that anyway, let alone when they’re left-wing propaganda machines. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
And Neil, you know my background. I’m not one for wanting to give anything away. I think things should be earned. But if there’s anything that I do feel like as a country, we could help get back on track. And it’s so needed. I mean, we’ve got so many holes, if you would, in the trades right now because of things that even Bob just talked about a moment ago. And we’ve pushed people to go to you know, college and not a trade college, but the other types of colleges where they come out with underwater basket weaving or a degree in gender studies or whatever the case may be, Neil. And at the end of the day, they can’t, they can’t even pay back their student loans. I’m all for somehow jumpstarting the trades and getting people, you know, re-engaged with them and figuring out, wait a minute, I can go to the trades. I can have a whole lot less debt when it’s all said and done. And in some cases, depending upon my employer and maybe no debt at all, and make far more money, in some cases double, triple even, depending upon the job you get into. I can make triple the money that my cohort, my other fellow student that now has gone off to one of these colleges, is now doing four years later. In fact, a trade college, he or she could be done in two years. So the reality is, at the end of the day, that trade college is much more suited for a lot of individuals, and for us as a country, it’s desperately needed right now.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah, I think it’s time for the pendulum to swing back the other way, and this may be the way that it starts to happen. I think it’s already happening because of how other universities have responded. Harvard has this elite aristocracy kind of feel about it, and we’re at the top of the totem pole and we will not budge. We’re going to do our own thing. Harvard, how is it that taxpayers are helping to fund Harvard University? They’ve got a more than $50 billion endowment, if I’m not mistaken. I’m not sure the exact total. It’s a massive endowment. What’s that money being used for? And how in the world is it that that never gets tapped into? But, you know, the idea that, hey, look, we can do our own thing. You will not tell us how we’re going to operate on campus. Really? We’re not we’re not allowed to say that anti-Semitism is wrong and it can’t happen here. So really, if you just flipped it around and said, look, if Harvard happened to be saying, look, we’re going to promote the Ku Klux Klan here. and we’re going to be anti-black and completely racist in all of our policies, who would stand for that? Well, you’d never get away with it. But apparently, if it’s against the Jews that you’re inciting this anti-Semitic mentality, that you can get away with that at Harvard, really? No, I think that absolutely our government needs to hold their ground, and I would be thrilled to see $3 billion go to trade school. I don’t think it’s going to happen, but if it did… Oh, my goodness. That’s one of those moments where like finally, you know, the scrawny little kid at the water fountain punched the bully in the face and knocked him down. Like it’s time for that kind of change in America. And I think Trump needs to hold his ground.
SPEAKER 02 :
Fifty three point two billion, by the way, is what it is. Fifty three point two billion. And that’s a year ago. So it could be higher than that today.
SPEAKER 03 :
And you know what? To Neil’s point here, John, is that – no, college campuses would never allow KKK clubs to whatever – but they don’t even have to go that far. If you tried to hold a rally, a there are only two genders rally – You couldn’t get away with that on college campuses. Suddenly they wouldn’t care about free speech. But you can go ahead and hold a from the river to the sea, promote the Intifada, celebrate Hamas, eliminate Jews in Israel rally. And, well, you know, we’re a free speech minded people. You know what? No, that’s nonsense. This helped bring down Claudine Gay. And I think the new president of Harvard realizes, oh, we’re going to have to make some changes here. By the way, I misspoke earlier. It wasn’t during his commencement address he said those words that I said. It was during an interview with NPR. But still, he’s publicly saying that this is an issue that’s got to be addressed, and it does. And Trump is absolutely right to challenge them where it hurts. We’re going to take away your money.
SPEAKER 02 :
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SPEAKER 02 :
And I got a speech at me. We got one minute is all.
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SPEAKER 02 :
And that’s it, guys, for today. Appreciate you all listening. I’m John Rush. We’ve had Bob Duco, Neil Boron as well. You can find out more information, as Neil said a moment ago, at CrawfordMediaGroup.net. You guys all have a safe rest of your day and week. We’ll see you next week on the National Crawford Roundtable.
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