Join Fred Williams and Doug McBurney as they delve into impactful discussions on Real Science Radio. This episode explores shocking recent events, like Charlie Kirk’s assassination, and evaluates the societal chaos stemming from the denial of Genesis. The conversation highlights how dismissing foundational biblical truths contributes to modern ideological confusion, further driving home the need for discussions centered around creation and moral accountability.
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Greetings to the brightest audience in the country. Welcome to Real Science Radio. I’m Fred Williams.
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And I’m Doug McBurney. Fred, it’s great to have you back from assignment. I’m glad you made it back safely.
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Well, yeah, it was always a really busy time of year for me in early September. It’s great to be back, Doug. And hey, thanks for holding down the fort. Yeah. You had a great interview with Dr. McIntosh, but honestly, I haven’t had a chance to hear it. I’ve seen parts of it when I review what our great video producers do with it. But basically, you have a modern-day dragon in the form of an insect. And I imagine that show was very explosive. Yeah. Literally.
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Indeed, Fred, it was enlightening, invigorating, explosive. Yeah. If you haven’t checked it out, it is pretty amazing. And Dr. McIntosh is pretty amazing. Great fellow, loves the Lord, did a great job. It was really fun, Fred.
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Yeah, we met him at the ICC conference a few years back, and he had some really good talks on information, thermodynamics, a really good speaker, a really good creation scientist.
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Yes, and Fred, I only found out later, Bob interviewed him. Bob Enyart interviewed Dr. McIntosh while Bob was in England. And it was radio then. And so Dr. McIntosh never had a chance to give the presentation with visuals. And so he was thrilled to have an opportunity to kind of revisit subject that he had talked about with Bob and present all the visuals. It’s fantastic. Watch the video. You really do want to see Dr. McIntosh slides.
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All right. So before we dive into the latest science news, I did want to pause, Doug, and talk about something that really shocked the country. While I was on assignment, I remember getting a Slack notification from my daughter because we were working on a project that just takes up a ton of our time at that particular time of the year. And it was a message that Charlie Kirk had been shot. I’m like, what? So I jumped on the news right away. I was just shocked by it. And so I do want to talk about that, get your perspective on it. But first, a quick reminder that October is Telethon Month here at Real Science Radio.
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That’s right. It’s Telethon Month. And, Fred, are we allowed to announce our new time slot? When does that happen? Is that a secret? I don’t want to let anything out on the air.
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Oh, no. We’ve been airing on KLTT AM 670 in Denver, and we are now at the 1230 p.m. time slot.
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So right over the lunch hour.
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So we’ve moved to a really good spot on the radio in Denver, you know, the blowtorch of the Rockies. I mean, we reach five states. That was really exciting news for us that we were able to get that time slot. And so that’s why, you know, one of the many reasons why we wanted to have a telethon because, you know, the cost of being on radio, they don’t pay us, you know, we have to pay them. to be on the radio. We don’t have any big churches sponsoring us. We rely on our listeners. And that’s why we’d like to ask our audience if you could help us out. And we’re reaching more people. You know, radio, a lot of people, especially the younger generation, Doug, they kind of scoff at radio.
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Oh, those kids.
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I know a lot of people still listen to the radio, especially if you’re driving somewhere over the lunch hour or whatever you’re doing. There’s still quite a few people that’ll turn the radio on. And, you know, other ways, you know, it’s a good time slot for us.
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Yes, absolutely. And people with money, people with successful careers, they still listen to the radio. And so we want to reach you. And by the way, there’s a few different ways they can help us, Fred. Number one, if you’d like, you can advertise your business or your service right here on Real Science Radio. And we’ll place your ad right around the most popular segment of the show, The Interesting Fact of the Week. So if you want to advertise your business or your service… give us a call we can do a contract it’s relatively inexpensive compared to other advertising options and not only are you on the 50 000 watt blow torch of the rocky mountain west but you’re also on youtube around the world and you’re helping spread the gospel which is priceless Yes, absolutely. And so if you’re a businessman, if you’re successful, if you still listen to the radio and you’ve managed to save some money and you want to advertise with us, that’s the best way. We prefer that. Number two, you can just outright sponsor a show. A Real Science Radio show, you can sponsor a show for $200, sponsor a show every month for $200 a month, sponsor a whole month for $800. In fact, we’ll give you a discount if you sponsor a whole month. We’ll have to work out the numbers, but we can talk. We can negotiate, right, if you’re a businessman.
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It reminds me, when I first met you, you had mentioned about how you listen to Real Science Radio on drives across the country. I still remember that conversation at Bob’s church.
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Oh, yeah, absolutely, absolutely. So I would listen to, you know, drive to Kansas City and listen to six straight hours of Real Science Radio because I had them on. Back then I had them on the DVD. I could put them in the CD player in the old car.
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Yeah, the drive from Denver to Kansas City, you need something to – Preoccupy that time. Yeah. Otherwise you’re looking at a lot of oil. Well, you know, what are those things called that go up and down? Pump jacks.
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And you can start, you can see Kansas city starting like 800 miles away. So it’s, it’s just a straight, there’s no turn. So you need something to keep.
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You drive across, there’s that big billboard that says the biggest gopher in the world. You know, all those little gadgets to try to get you to pull into their population 500 town to look at some fake, you know, gopher or whatever it is.
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Um, And also, Doug, we’re also doing really well on YouTube, but a big part of that is we’ve got a great video production team that helps us out. That’s another thing that we’d love for you to help us out with. You know, the more we can do there, you know, helps us produce really good content. Yes. Shorts, airing shorts that, you know, the stuff that hopefully reached the younger generation because, you know, they’re on their phones and their TikTok and all that stuff. And so we have mechanisms of getting our shorts and brief clips of our shows onto those platforms.
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And that isn’t free. You know, there’s, in order to do that, there’s an expense limit. to do it more efficiently. I mean, we could take the time and it’d be very time consuming, but our producers have a way to do that.
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And Fred, let me just say, because I never realized, so our video producers put in an enormous amount of time to make a 30 to 60 minute segment, or even to make a two minute short. If you’ve never edited video with an audio track, and especially with me and Fred, Then you have no idea the amount of time and their time is valuable. And so we like to compensate them for their time. We want them to have wives and children and families and ministries of their own. And so we’ve all got to eat and pay the bills. And so we want to compensate our video production team adequately in order to keep them because they’re very talented. Fred, we could lose them to Elon Musk or something. So we’ve got to pay those guys. So We need your help. That’s the bottom line. We need your help. We need you to stand with us, step up with us. We invest our time. If you can invest with us in preaching the gospel via creation ministry, we want your help. We need your help, and we think that you’ll be blessed for it.
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Yeah. And I believe we’ve surpassed 60,000 subscribers, which is great. Let’s say, you know, with our telethon and with your help, maybe we can get to that hundred thousand mark sometime here in the next five, six months. So let’s make it happen. All right. So Doug, back to Charlie Kirk. So, you know, for me, and I want to get your comments on, I’m really curious to hear what you have to say, but you know, for me, the media has been full of all the surface details and, But to me, no one is asking the deeper questions. And for example, you know, why do tragedies like this happen? And to me, it always goes back to what we’ve talked about on Real Science Radio for years, and that’s Genesis chapter one, or just Genesis. God said that mankind is made in his image. in God’s image. So this truth gives every human life value and dignity. We are made in His image. But when you reject Genesis, and it’s a ploy by Satan, if you tack the very foundation of the Bible, why believe the rest? So you throw away this foundation for morality, You deny that male and female as God created them. And then what’s the result? Confusion, chaos, sometimes violence. It’s just a direct assault on Genesis. And it keeps getting worse, Doug. I mean, if you think about the whole homosexual movement, Christians seem to have forgotten about that. It’s almost like they just accept it. But now you’ve got the transgender stuff that makes it even more fake science, right? And people aren’t talking about that. Where is the root of all this evil? I was going to ask you that question, Doug, I guess before I get your take on the Charlie Kirk assassination is, what would you say is the source or the cesspool of all this evil for the young in our generation? If you had to point to one thing.
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Yeah. I mean, it’s easy, Fred. It’s sin. It’s the one topic that most people spend their entire life avoiding talking about. It’s sin. And what you just said, Fred, the topic Charlie Kirk was addressing when he was shot was transgenderism. Now, Fred, I haven’t watched that video. My brother called me having just watched the video. of Charlie Kirk being shot. The video’s available, apparently, widely. Yeah. Of the actual moment, which that’s an unusual development, by the way, in and of itself, Fred, in recent history, is that when these things happen, not only is the live audience put through that trauma, but everyone else is put through that trauma in the moments and minutes and hours afterwards, which that really was never… You know, we’ve all seen the Zapruder film of John Kennedy But most Americans didn’t see that until years after the event. Yeah. But now it’s instant. And so that’s a whole other issue. But the problem is sin. And Fred, Bob Enyart, when he started his career in the early 1990s, He said, if we don’t draw the line on sexual immorality, by the way, Bob didn’t just preach about homosexuality. That’s the thing that made the most people angry. And so that got a lot of attention. But Bob advocated the biblical positions that sexual immorality is criminal and it should be a crime to commit adultery. It should be considered a criminal offense to commit fornication, no matter with who, outside of marriage. Bob preached that his whole life, his whole career. And he warned us in the 90s, if we don’t draw the line. And then it was the homosexuals. If we don’t draw the line, who knows what we’re going to be discussing next. And now we’re on to transgenderism and what’s next after that. I don’t know. It probably involves something even more devious and perverted. Yeah.
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I think back to the TV shows that you helped produce with Bob and how he talked about how the country’s going to hell in a handbasket. And this is before homosexuality was now, you know, you could be married, you can have a husband. I even, I refuse to use that word with somebody who’s gay. a guy that you know and so he warned like you said of it back then a hell in the handbasket again that was even before justice kennedy who was a republican appointed justice was the swing vote in bringing allowing homosexual marriage right and so look at where it’s gone since then it just keeps getting worse and worse and i guess kind of where i wanted to see uh what you thought was what’s the kind of environment where guys like charlie’s killer Where’s their worldview shaped with kind of environment?
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So with the guy who shot Charlie Kirk?
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Yeah. Just in general, the today’s youth, I guess where I was going with that.
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Well, let me just, I’ll tell you what I thought in the moments after I found out Charlie Kirk was shot live, by the way, during an event. Yeah. I don’t have to tell, everybody’s seen. I thought this is going to be a pale, white, 20-something kid who’s been raised in a godless environment, went to the government schools, probably in college or affected by college in some significant way, probably smokes marijuana, probably plays way too many video games, that’s the thought I had in the moments after I heard he was shot. That was my profile of the killer or killers.
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Yeah. And you know, Doug, that’s 90% of what I thought. Exactly right. So, you know, you’ve got the public school system and we’ve been trying to tell our listeners for years, get your kids out of the public schools. They’re indoctrinating our kids with the lie of evolution and, They’re telling them they’re just cosmic accidents, animals with no creator, no moral accountability. And now they’re pumping again. We mentioned it earlier, this gender ideology, teaching the kids that male and female are just labels, Doug. And you can switch them at will. You can be him, her, they, them. But it’s wrong of us. It’s a sin for us. to use those pronouns with them because then we’re just justifying what they’re doing. We’re justifying, we’re telling them it’s okay to have this mental, it’s a mental disease, Doug, or whatever you want to call it, sin, like you said, to want to mutilate yourselves and allow people to do that and then to promote it and to say, hey, parents, you don’t have a say in this. If a kid wants to go mutilate themselves and change their gender, which you can’t do, It’s just, you know, where will this end? And you hit it right on the head. I thought the same thing, almost to a T. And I can guarantee with 100% certainty that he believed, this kid believes in evolution. If he’s not an atheist, he’s close to it, and he certainly believes in evolution. My kids, when they went to college, other kids were shocked that there was people who didn’t believe in evolution. And nobody’s talking about this in the media. It’s all the other stuff. And some of it’s true. I’m not denying the fact that when you keep calling people fascists and evil, they’re going to ruin the country and destroy everything. They’re a fascist. And then you think, I’m going to take out a fascist. And he did have fascists written on his bullets. But nobody wants to talk about where the root of all this comes down to. And it’s right back to Genesis chapter one.
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Man, Fred.
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Taking God out of schools.
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You’re absolutely right. Genesis. So Jesus Christ quoted Genesis while he walked on the earth and And then later, through his revelation to the Apostle Paul, in the Scriptures we have Jesus Christ quoted Genesis as history. Not as allegory, not as just a nice story to make people behave. He quoted it as history. So if you profess Jesus Christ and you deny Genesis, I don’t understand. There’s some cognitive problem in your mind because you’re denying the very Jesus Christ that you acknowledge with your mouth. with your lips, but where’s your heart if you deny Genesis? Anyway, I just have my doubts. And you’re right, Fred, it’s Genesis. And thank you, Fred, by the way, for saying that it’s a sin for us to use those pronouns. And I want to go a little further, Fred, because it’s not just a sin for us to use those pronouns. It’s a worse sin for us to use those pronouns than for the average heathen who doesn’t know anything because we do know. It’s a sin for us to say, that openly sinful, sexually immoral people can be proud of who they are in their sexual immorality. It’s a sin for us to say that. It’s wrong. We facilitate their destruction, not just with transgenderism. Transgenderism is just the freakish, latest freakish expression of all this. any sexual immorality and the thing about adultery that makes it different fred is nobody ever celebrated adultery i mean outside of i don’t know hugh hefner and a few other but nobody celebrated there was never a an adultery movement to legalize and celebrate adultery and adultery pride there never was that there was never fornication pride month we never had that And so for us to pretend that even grosser forms of immorality, like homosexuality, to pretend that people can celebrate and be considered a part of our family and group while expressing openly their pride in that sin, that type of sin… That’s a sin for us to do that because we’re hurting them.
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Yeah. It’s like somebody who’s on heroin and we’re like, oh, it’s okay to keep doing that. Wouldn’t you, if your brother was on heroin, wouldn’t you try to warn him? That this is a destructive lifestyle. You know, that’s one of the things Bob mentioned is just the statistics that show the health risks, the danger to other people with that kind of lifestyle, that nobody ever wants to talk about those. And Doug, you know, Jesus actually quoted Genesis, the first six chapters up through the flood, more than any other book in the Bible. You know, if you’re a Christian, you have to realize Christ quoted from that part of the Bible more than any other. Wow. It all gets back to that. And you know, when it comes to this transgenderism, you know, Ryan and I, when we did a Creation Magazine show, there was an interesting part and a huge irony. And that’s from one of the perpetrators of the lie of evolution in millions of years, and that’s evolutionist henchman Dr. Richard Dawkins. I don’t know if you heard about that, Doug, but he resigned from the Freedom From Religion Foundation. You know, that organization has been causing problems for a long time. And it was after the organization, they censored an article arguing that gender is biological. And so even Richard Dawkins can recognize this is so anti-science just to hysterical degree. And so he accused them of imposing an ideology akin to religion. That’s incredible irony that he’s doing this. And then other evolutionists resigned from the Freedom from Religion Foundation because of this so far-left wokeism with transgenderism that just denies clear, plain science. I’m surprised that some of the people I know that talk about this is actually science, that you can be both male and female, you can switch. And it’s like, where are you getting this from?
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Did you skip biology class? Even with the nonsense that they teach with evolution?
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You have to hold in your mind an understanding of reality while simultaneously pretending to deny reality. And eventually that makes you go insane. So you should stop that. And Fred, it started with… And I’ll go back even before Bob Enyart. It started the day… at least the most virulent iteration of it. It started in Genesis 3, okay, if we want to go all the way back. But in America, it started the day that the government and the people decided that we would allow Hugh Hefner to sell his dirty magazine in a store like other normal products. That’s where it started. And then it became grossly and freakishly shifted when homosexuality started coming out in the public, which was shocking to my generation and your generation, Fred. that people would even openly… I mean, the rock stars of my youth who were that way, they hid that because that was taboo. Well, in the 90s, the taboos started falling, and it was shocking to think that this is something we’re going to discuss in public. You know, the Bible says… The things they do in private shouldn’t even be discussed in public. That’s how disgusting and dangerous and destructive it is to even hear about the things that they do. And this all, the floodgates were breaking open in the 90s and Bob Enyart and a few others, a very few others. I tried to warn everyone, and so now here we are, and Charlie Kirk ends up being assassinated during a conversation about the topic of transgenderism.
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Yeah, and the shooter’s, I guess, boyfriend was transgender.
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Yes, and so just real quickly, I want to address that, Fred. I don’t know enough about the killer. The other people who were probably involved with him before the fact, I don’t know enough about his family to make any judgments. Because frankly, Fred, I can’t really trust what I hear in the news and I can’t trust what I see online. And so I’m going to stick with what you and I have talked about, what our prediction about what this kid is or who this kid is. I’m going to stick with that until I’m proven wrong. I’ve heard a number of things about the family that I really don’t know. I know a lot of people think that the FBI is covering things up and lying about things. Is that true? Probably. That’s what the FBI has been doing for 50, 60, 70 years. They’ve been covering stuff up and lying about stuff. The justice system… has forged a law enforcement community that has to lie and make stuff up professionally in order to get things through court, in order to put some… Anyway, it’s all just a mess. So to think that there’s a deep state conspiracy or an FBI or CIA conspiracy that’s actually behind all this, when it’s more than likely you’re just seeing the product of the justice system that has produced… which naturally produces lies. And there’s a lot of stuff the FBI doesn’t know. Not just lies, Fred, incompetence. incompetence in law enforcement and the justice system means that, yeah, they make stuff up and they lie and they try to fill in the gaps when they’ve missed something. So that doesn’t mean there was a conspiracy. I don’t know, Fred, I haven’t heard yet that Donald Trump is behind the assassination, but I’m sure that’s coming. I’m sure that’s coming. I have heard from the left that that the whole remembrance, the celebration of Charlie Kirk’s life, the memorial that just occurred last week, last Sunday, two Sundays ago, anyway, recently, the memorial that occurred, I’ve already heard on the left from the crazies, That this is all too well done. It’s as if they pre-packaged this. It’s as if they were ready for this. And they’re trying to imply that there was some kind of conspiracy. And that Charlie Kirk was like a sacrificial… Anyway, the fact is, unfortunately, the assassination of Charlie Kirk… was custom made for the pro-family industry. And so I don’t want to offend my conservative friends, but Bob Enyart used to talk about the pro-life industry. Back in the 70s, there was a pro-life movement that wanted to end abortion. And that movement became corrupted by lawyers and businessmen and salesmen. And turned into the pro-life industry. It turned into a fundraising operation for the Republican Party based on the premise of being pro-life. And it ended up electing Republicans and regulating the murder of innocent people on the money of Christians. That’s basically what happened. It became an industry rather than a movement. Well, in America, I’ve witnessed, from the 90s to now, a pro-family industry happening. They make their living raising money off Christians by talking about Christian issues surrounding the family. And then they elect Republicans and they regulate the destruction of the family. That’s the pro-family industry. And Charlie Kirk was early on in his career as a very young man, by the way, Fred, in his early 20s. So I’m just going to say it, okay? I have some things that I’ve prepared. So Charlie Kirk’s assassination was the most shocking assassination, the most saddest, most reprehensible, most shocking assassination ever. In my lifetime, certainly in modern American history, I actually gasped out loud, Fred, when I heard. My brother called me on the phone, having just watched the video, and I gasped out loud when I heard it. It was that shocking. And I didn’t see it, I heard it. And I gasped like it was a friend of mine. Fred, I just had a friend of mine die unexpectedly, Gordon Carroll. yeah i knew him for more than 25 years and i know he’s with the lord i heard him preach the gospel but when i heard that gordon carroll died i gasped too and by the way i just want to say gordon carroll was a big behind the scenes helper in establishing real science radio and kgov and and denver bible church gordon was a cop in colorado so always behind the scenes But he went from being a virulent, anti-Christian, atheist advocate. He went from that to being the exact opposite. A warrior for Jesus Christ. In no small part because of Bob Enyart’s ministry.
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