In this episode of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast the guys talk about the shooting of Renee Nicole Good in Minneapolis by an ICE agent. They also discuss the unrest and protests in Iran, and the SCOTUS hearing oral arguments about transgenders playing in women’s sports.
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Back with another week of the National Crawford Roundtable Podcast. We’ve got all the guys, John Rush, Neil Boron, myself, Bob Duco. Guys, how are you?
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Great, how are you?
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Oh, good, good. Just here we go, plowing through 2026. And we’ve got a lot of things to talk about this week. Obviously, what’s going on with ICE agents and these riots and these protests and the 37-year-old woman getting shot and killed. And so we’re going to talk about that. We’ll talk about Iran and the protests going on over there. What should President Trump do? And if we get time, we’ll talk about the Supreme Court on Tuesday of this week hearing oral arguments in the case of transgenders, men that are trying to compete in women’s sports. And so we’ve got a lot to dive into, but let’s start with the ICE agent shooting. All right, so here’s what happened in Minneapolis, just to give everyone some background. ICE agents in Minneapolis because Minneapolis is a sanctuary city, Minnesota is a sanctuary state, and so illegal aliens that commit additional crimes are allowed to roam the streets there. So, of course, Minnesota is going to be a place where ICE agents go and carry out raids and arrest illegal aliens, predominantly targeting the ones that commit additional crimes, but it’s not going to always only be them. Now, I want to remind everybody that when Barack Obama was president, Barack Obama also conducted ICE raids across the country, also went into cities and arrested illegal aliens, including those not committing additional crimes, and actually deported more illegal aliens per year on average than Donald Trump did per year on average in his first term. And I don’t remember anybody screaming Gestapo, Nazis, or anything like that about Barack Obama. But now you’ve got in Minneapolis the Democrats pouring lighter fluid on this, encouraging a bunch of leftists to see ICE as a bunch of demons and the bad guys and Gestapo and such. So you have this woman, this anti-ICE agitator, Renee Nicole Good, 37-year-old woman. She’s a mother. Nobody wants her to die. Of course not. I feel bad for those kids that lost their mom. And Renee Nicole Goode, I think one of the reasons she’s probably a media darling is because she happened to be in a lesbian marriage with a woman, although she was married to a couple of men prior to that. But anyway, she was using her vehicle to block traffic, to block the road from to try to impede law enforcement from doing their jobs and trying to arrest criminal illegal aliens. She was refusing to move her car. She was told to move. She wouldn’t move her car. She was told to get out of the car. She wouldn’t get out of the car. She locked her car. Ice agent goes over and tries to open the car door handle, and it’s locked. Another ice agent is standing in front of her car. So what does she do? She backs up briefly, and then with the ice agent in front of her car, she slams the gas. heading right toward him. He has a split second to make a decision, and he jumps out of the way while pulling his weapon and firing at her. He did get hit in the leg, but let’s face it, if he didn’t get out of the way in time, he would have been trampled and killed himself. Well, his shots into the windshield of the car killed her. All right. Anyway, he goes to the hospital. He’s recovering. Okay, fine. But meanwhile, she’s dead as a result of this. People are treating this like, well, she was just trying to escape. She was just scared. I don’t know what was in her head. I don’t know if she was thinking, I’m going to run this guy down, or she was thinking, I’m just going to hit the gas and get out of here. Even if it was that… It’s reckless and dangerous when you have somebody in front of your vehicle. You’re not allowed to just hit the gas, disregard that, and say, well, if I run them over, I run them over. We also need to remind people that law enforcement does have a legal authority to use lethal defense tactics. against someone weaponizing them in a deadly way. And a vehicle being used in a weaponized way like that, law enforcement procedures across the country are, you are authorized to fire at the driver if they are using their vehicle as a weapon. And she was using it as a weapon. He had no way of knowing if it’s just him she’s trying to run down or if she’s going to try to run down other people. But it doesn’t matter. You got the mayor, Jacob Frey of Minneapolis, saying get the F out of our city ice. And now you have these anti-ice protests going on all across the country. It is insane. John, I want to start with you. I know a lot of people use terms like insane clown world, but this really is an insane clown world that we’re living in. What you have here basically are Democrats are trying to tell everybody Marshall Dillon is the bad guy and screaming against him on behalf of the criminals that are trying to rob the banks. And this is today’s Democrat Party. It is insane, John, but I’d love to get your take on the shooting.
SPEAKER 02 :
It is, and if you look at the media coverage of all of this, which is, if those folks out there listening don’t understand the bias that’s in the media towards the left, there is definitely an anti-right and a pro-left bias in the media, and you can prove that just by the pictures of this particular individual that died, you can actually look at her images now. You have to go look farther to find what she really looked like at the time of this event, because what the news media did, you know, Bob and Neil, is they took pictures of, I’m guessing, a decade plus ago, where she looked completely different than what she does now. In other words, trying to paint her up to look like this, you know, innocent mom, you know, she’s not doing anything wrong. She just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time, drove down the wrong street. You’ll even hear people out there on the left saying, oh she just happened to be at the wrong place no this was intentional she meant to be there she had been harassing ice uh multiple times even before this that’s proven you can tell that even by the the the conversation that the i guess wife was having with the ice agents as well and what’s interesting about all that too that i’m really wondering and i’ve asked the question is where’s the video footage from her because she had her camera and she was videoing all of that whole that whole event that was going on there. And yet, Bob, I haven’t seen an ounce of video from her phone, which is interesting. We see it from all sorts of other angles, which, by the way, as a car expert myself, you look at the way the wheels were turned and what she was actually doing with the vehicle. I can tell you right now, being an expert in the car world that I am, her intent was to run him over.
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Yeah. Well, I’ll tell you what. I’ve taken the position, John, at least on my show, that I can’t know what was in her mind. I don’t know if her intent was to run a motor.
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I can tell you by the way the wheels were turned on the car what she was trying to do.
SPEAKER 04 :
Okay. And that’s fair. That’s fair. And I’m not the car expert that you are. So in this case, I have to defer to you.
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I can tell you by listening to the sound of the car what she was trying to do.
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Yeah. Well, my point is, let’s pretend hypothetically that that’s not what really was in her mind, that she wasn’t trying to run him over. And I tend to lean on your side anyway. She most likely was. But let’s just pretend hypothetically that she wasn’t. All right. It doesn’t matter. If somebody’s standing in front of your car, you’re not allowed to hit the gas in a way that would kill them. You’re not allowed to do that. She was breaking the law. She was committing a crime. She wasn’t protesting. She was committing a crime and using potential lethal force with a deadly weapon against not just anybody but a law enforcement officer while she was in the commission of already committing a crime that they were trying to stop her of doing because it is a crime to impede law enforcement. Neil, your take. What’s your take on this?
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Well, I know that we need to hear from our sponsors. So I’ll just say quickly that I don’t disagree with anything you guys are saying. I think any thinking person can see what was going on. I think there’s a lot of blindness sometimes on both sides. I get that. But, you know, this this is taken right out of the playbook of the organization that she had loosely affiliated with. Take your car, turn it sideways, try to impede traffic, honk your horn, create problems at intersections, try to slow the efforts of ICE to deport illegals and criminal aliens. In fact, I saw somebody on the Internet, I don’t know who it was, said this phrase, and it stuck with me. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Like if you are going to impede law enforcement, if you’re going to get out there in the middle of what’s going on and create havoc, then you’re going to be a target eventually. And if you do something that looks like you’re trying to take the life of a law enforcement officer, it could cost you your life. And unfortunately, it did.
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Well, and she did bring it on herself. I mean, she really did. Neil, you’re absolutely right. You’re taking action that could kill a law enforcement officer, okay? Then you are bringing getting shot on yourself. And it just amazes me that… We live in such a twilight zone world that the left wing in this country doesn’t see that. We’re going to talk a little bit more about this coming up next, but we do want you folks to support our sponsors. We appreciate you doing that, supporting SunPowerLED, supporting Preborn. You know, Preborn is a great pro-life group that saves babies’ lives all across this country. And here we are. It’s January. It’s Sanctity of Human Life Month. Coming up January 22nd is the anniversary of Roe v. Wade, which thankfully has been overturned. But you still have abortions going on all across this country. You know, the best way to stop an abortion seriously is let that mom see an ultrasound image of her unborn baby. She sees that first ever picture of her baby. It is very rare that she goes through with an abortion. Well, this is what Preborn does. They show ultrasound images of these babies to the moms. They do it in pro-life centers all across the country. Problem is that the demand is higher than the supply. So what we’re asking everybody in the audience to do right now is provide ultrasounds in one of two ways, a big way or a smaller way. The big way, we need some of you to buy ultrasound machines. They’re 15 grand a piece, great tax write-off for you, and you’re saving thousands and thousands of babies’ lives over the years. The smaller way, pay for an individual number of ultrasound images. $28 is the average ultrasound expense to stop one abortion, to save one baby’s life. So pray about a number of babies’ lives you’ll save. Take $28 times fill-in-the-blank, and that’s the number you give to pre-born. And if you’ve given already, give again. We need you to make this a regular part of your giving to save babies’ lives. So here’s how you do it. You can call 833-850-BABY. Call right now. The answer to the phone is 24-7, 833-850-BABY. Or just go online to CrawfordMediaGroup.net and click on Preborn. CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on Preborn. Remember, every dime you give, 100%, goes to ultrasounds, nothing for overhead. That’s covered by private donors. So CrawfordMediaGroup.net, click on pre-born. And Neil, while they’re at CrawfordMediaGroup.net, we also want them to click on SunPowerLED and see what they can do for them.
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Right. Absolutely. And we appreciate you folks doing that. Thank you so much. And as we continue to talk right now about the shooting of this woman by the ice agent in Minneapolis, you know, uh, John, I know that every year you watch the golden globes and you just can’t get it without enough of the golden globes and the Oscars because you’re You know, I know you’re the kind of guy that really enjoys watching a bunch of Hollywood millionaire elites patting each other on the back and sharing gold trophies with each other. So since I know you’re such an official – You know, John goes to the store and buys himself a special outfit for the Globes every year.
SPEAKER 03 :
He does.
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He dresses up for them. He puts on a tux and he watches them on TV. That’s right. That’s John, everybody. You know what the great part of this is? We got some people, maybe not many, but some in the podcast going, wow, that John, he’s kind of weird. But, you know, I didn’t watch one minute of the Golden Globes. Who cares? But I did see the news stories about some of the celebrities, some of the Hollywood celebrities wearing their lapel pins. And their lapel pin said, be good. And they weren’t saying, you know, be good in a general sense of, hey, be good people. It was a play on the words of the woman that got killed, Renee Good. And so be good. And so the message that they’re sending is we need to be like her. We’re all her. We need to be her. And I’m thinking, OK, so your basic message is be the kind of person that would impede law enforcement, that would break the law. And that would use your car in an effort to kill a member of law enforcement. That those are the kind of people that we should be. John, they’re building shrines to her in some cities like in San Antonio. Pretty soon there’s going to be murals all over. And you know what I’m kind of curious about? Just on a side note, I got to throw this in. Where’s the murals, okay? Where’s the protests? Where’s all of that for Ashley Babbitt, who was a 35-year-old woman who was killed on January 6th climbing through a window in the Capitol building? She was wrong to be climbing through the window, but she was unarmed. She was a 12-year military veteran, eight tours of duty, including Afghanistan and Iraq. She was unarmed, but a police officer shot her and killed her climbing through a window. She wasn’t driving a vehicle at him, but she was shot and killed. And you know something? I don’t see any of these leftists wearing B. Babbitt little lapel pins or whatever. And so I just, it amazed me. But your thoughts on these Hollywood celebrities actually turning her into some kind of a shrine martyr. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, I say it all the time, say it on my program. I’ll continue to say it. Being on the left, having that mindset is a mental illness. Bob, everything you just mentioned proves my point. Sorry, it is.
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Neil, I know you’re probably into the Golden Globes, too, and sitting there with a bowl of popcorn. How do you explain something like this? I mean, I know we’re told in Scripture that there’s going to be a time where good will be called evil, evil will be called good. We’re certainly in that time right now. But I don’t know how it can be anything other than demonic deception for people to be this emotionally vested, this angry about over law enforcement trying to arrest people that are committing crimes and actually killing and raping people, trying to arrest them, and the law enforcement is the bad guy and the people committing the crimes are the victims. How do you explain that other than demonic deception? Because in civilized society, this doesn’t seem normal.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, how do you explain it? I don’t know exactly how you explain it, but let me just add something, and I’m not trying to upset the apple cart here or push back at all, because I agree with the way you’re saying this and what you’re saying. But over the years in Christian circles and Christian ministry, you see some great person with a lot of fame, maybe runs a big ministry, whatever. They get caught doing something, and they’re brought to – to account for that in some way there they face criminal prosecution or they lose their ministry and okay and so some people cheer that and applaud it others are grieved by it some just refuse to accept it they cannot see it and so i think this demonic deception can happen on both sides of an equation but let me just say that in this particular case You know, when you’re talking about federal law, you’re talking about law enforcement that we in America generally agree is there to protect us. It’s there to, you know, to uphold the laws that are on the books. I mean, this speaks of like what was going on at the southern border. before Trump shut down the border. I mean, you’ve got laws on the books that say you’re not allowed to come into our country as an illegal. And yet those those laws were being ignored. And at some point, people got personally involved to try to stop it. But finally, you know, the Trump administration said enough is enough. We’re in power here. You’re not allowed to come across. And when people get upset with these kind of things, they get personally involved. They try to They try to exert their own will in a particular situation. But we live with a generally agreed upon set of principles that says that the law matters. It needs to be upheld. And people should actually be cheering what our government is doing to crack down on illegal immigration and to keep our streets safe. And the idea that this that entire cities and states have become sanctuaries for this kind of nonsense it’s bone chilling it’s not just individuals that are saying i disagree with you know these ice agents and what they’re doing you’re talking about demonic deception this is widespread it’s rampant And I think that as believers, we ought to be watching that and praying diligently because our world is being taken over by lunatics. And I don’t know, other than Jesus returning, how ultimately that’s all going to turn around. I don’t think Donald Trump or the Trump administration or anyone has the power to rectify all this. I think it’s a reality of the world we live in. And I think that we ought to be diligent to go before the Lord and say, Lord, I think we see what’s going on. And this is not of you. And, you know, God willing. we see victory in some of these situations. But man, it has everything to do with people just rejecting truth outright. And I believe ultimately we know where that comes from, the great deceiver, the enemy himself.
SPEAKER 04 :
Very true. You know, I see this latest video that’s now going viral of another woman in Minneapolis. And what she was doing was anti-ice agitator. Okay, fine. She’s got her car parked sideways in the street trying to block, trying to impede. So right there, that is a crime scene. She’s committing a crime trying to stop ICE agents from doing their job. And then she pulls her car up and wedges her car between another car and some ICE agents. And this could be potentially harmful. So they’re telling her, move. Move your car. She’s refusing. Open your car door. She’s refusing. So and she locks her car door so she won’t open it and she won’t move her car and she’s blocking the ICE agents from doing their job, impeding law enforcement. So they follow the proper procedure, which is to break her her side window. and then open the door themselves and say, get out of the car. She refuses to get out of the car. So what they do is they reach in and they start pulling her out of the car. She’s fighting them. She’s resisting them. All this kind of stuff. And you have this crowd of about 70 or 80 angry liberals all standing around on their phones taking images of this and screaming at the ICE agents, what is wrong with you? Stop hurting people. All this kind of stuff. They’re the bad guys. And it’s like, this woman is breaking the law. And I don’t know, what does the left, I mean, John, what do they want? Do they want it to be where you can break the law, you can do whatever you want, and if law enforcement tells you stop breaking the law, Then law enforcement is the bad guy. All you have to do is say to them, no, I’m going to keep on breaking the law whether you like it or not. And then police are just supposed to say, well, OK, I asked. And then just walk away. Is that what we’re – is that the society we’re supposed to live in now?
SPEAKER 02 :
Well, that, Bob, is Marxism at its core. Create the chaos. And once that gets to be full blown, then, of course, they come in as the knight in shining armor. And, you know, Marxism continues to take over. Government then becomes the ultimate answer. But, yeah, in the meantime, if they can deliver all of the chaos as they’re doing right now to get to the end goal, this is all part of their plan. Trust me. All part of the plan. Okay.
SPEAKER 04 :
How do you win elections, though, in times like this? It seems insane when you’ve got such a large chunk of the country, I mean, Neil, a large chunk of the country that are now actively cheering for the criminals, which, by the way, I got to say, part of me does think, not to bring Trump into this, but I do think part of this is Trump derangement syndrome. They hate Donald Trump. So bad that therefore anything connected to the Trump administration is evil because I got news for you. During all eight years of Barack Obama, you had anti-ice agitators being pulled out of their cars and there was no, no uproar from the left about that then because it was Obama. It wasn’t Trump.
SPEAKER 03 :
It has everything to do with Trump. He’s at the center of all of this because he represents an effort to stand for what’s right. Now, anybody could disagree with his policies and say, I don’t like what he said about this or did about that. And we have the ability in the United States to disagree about those kind of things, even vehemently.
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, careful. Don’t make Trump flip you off now.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah, I know. I mean, there’s things that happen that even, you know, Bible-believing pro-life evangelicals disagree with. And um and even recently he said some things that i disagree with you know strongly but um about going weak on the hyde amendment you know right i was thinking that kind of stuff okay so he’s not this guy’s not perfect but on the other hand he’s the president of the united states and we have a set of laws and You know, a constitution that governs how we operate here in the United States. And we need to respect that. And when something’s out of line, then there are there’s ways to do that. You go to the courts, you you find ways to dissent, you know, but without violence. And, you know, just real quick in Buffalo in 1988. Yeah, we got about 30 seconds. So, you know. 88 through 92 in Buffalo, there was the Spring of Life protests, Operation Rescue and all that. And some of the pro-life people did what these women are doing, parking their cars sideways to try to block law enforcement from going to arrest those folks. Well, guess what? The pro-lifers got arrested and some of them went to jail. Thank God no guns were ever pulled. Nobody was ever shot. But They had to face the law. Why? Because they were breaking the law. And I just think it makes sense. We need to watch that.
SPEAKER 04 :
And you know what? If one of the pro-lifers had taken her car and hit the gas to try to run down a law enforcement officer and got shot in the process, I would be saying, hey, I feel horrible. The woman got killed, but she brought it on herself.
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continue in the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast with all the guys. Neil Boron, Neil Boron Live out of Buffalo, New York. John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Myself, Bob Duco, the Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. And as we discussed in the first half, the Minneapolis ice shooting, we’re going to move to Iran right now and the protests and unrest going on in Iran. First of all, folks, this really started because, as you know, Donald Trump, well, pretty much all presidents, Republican and Democrat alike, would love to see regime change in Iran. But I do want to give people just a little bit of background here, OK? Up until 1979, Iran was actually kind of a friendly with us, you know, not like a close ally or anything, but friendly. But we had a U.S. embassy there. We had a trade relationship with each other. And, you know, Iran was not one of our mortal enemies. Well, what you had were the Islamic jihadi Shiite extremists who ended up taking over, overthrowing the government of Iran in 1979 and forcing the Shah of Iran to go into exile and to flee the country. Well, ever since then, Iran has become the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world. And they’re run by these radical extremist mullahs and, of course, the Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader of Iran himself. The guy’s 86 years old. But anyway, the Iranian people are being oppressed at large. Every president would love to see an uprising in Iran to overthrow the government and maybe bring in some kind of a at least quasi-democracy and a country that we can work with. Well, nobody’s made that happen. Donald Trump has been squeezing extreme pressure on Iran. tougher sanctions, tougher sanctions, basically to try to turn them into world pariah and economically destroy them. Well, the people in Iran have been getting fed up with it. And so they started having protests about the economy and not being able to get food and the protesting for freedom and for liberty. And you now have hundreds of thousands of Iranians that have been out protesting in the streets. The Iranian government has been massacring many of them. There are some reports that are as many as two to three thousand that have been killed now, but we don’t know exactly. This is what’s going on. Donald Trump is pouring lighter fluid on the protests and unrest. This is a time when it’s actually good to do that. And he’s been posting publicly, hey, you guys are brave, overthrow the government, that type of thing, and hinting at the possibility of military strikes against Iran to kind of weaken the government of Iran and the military of Iran to make it easier for them to be overthrown by the people within. anything I think would be better than what they have in the leadership in Iran right now. So it does seem like this is potentially a golden opportunity to actually bring about regime change in Iran. But it’s a lot of unrest and a lot of people are dying. And I kind of like to throw this around the table. And Neil, let me start with you. Some of your thoughts about what’s happening in Iran, the protesters themselves, what appear to be the massacre of protesters. And then after that, we’ll maybe dive into what Trump should do.
SPEAKER 03 :
Well, I’m the last guy who would ever call himself an expert on theocracies and militant Islam, etc. But obviously, Iran has been a problem for the United States for years. Some questions that come to my mind on the heels of Venezuela and the pushback that Donald Trump got for it. Taking out Maduro there. We talked about it last week here on the roundtable. Military action against Iran. Is he going to seek congressional approval in that? He’s going to do this on his own. What would be the basis for us reaching out like that? Does something need to be done? Probably. And personally, I hope it gets done. And I’m grateful in one sense to see the unrest, not that people are dying. And by the way, some have estimated maybe as many as 10,000 are dead. But nobody really knows. Nobody really knows what’s going on there. So whether it’s 2,000 or 10,000 or anything in between, it’s horrible to watch what’s going on. But on the other hand, freedom is something that people desperately desire. I guess my question would be if… There could be a regime change there, but the vast majority of people in Iran remain Muslim, which they will. You think about death to infidels and what the Koran says about all that. In the end, how real is that change towards the United States, the great Satan, as we’ve been called by Iranian leaders in the past? How real would that change be, and what does it represent? Just more economic freedom and better trade policies with Iran, or will people actually have an opportunity – to experience true freedom and worship someone other than allah like what does that mean i i don’t know but i know for sure that what’s going on in iran has not been good for the people of iran and and i pray for change in that sense
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, and even if there’s change, I mean, they’re still going to be Muslim. They’re still going to be worshiping Allah. They’re still going to be mostly Shiites. I mean, Shiites represent probably about 15% of all Muslims in the Middle East. Most of them are Sunni around the Middle East, okay? And there’s a radical nature to each one of them. So there’s still going to be Shiite Muslims there. But at least they wouldn’t be the number one state sponsor of terrorism in the world, theoretically, okay, which would be a good thing. You know, John, look, I feel bad about people being killed by the hundreds, if not potentially the thousands there. But then I also remember how many people died during the American Revolution, all right? We were fighting for freedom. We were fighting for liberty. We were fighting for independence. And sometimes, you know, either it’s a civil war or whatever, but, you know, That’s a cause. Fighting for liberty and dying for liberty is a cause that I don’t think we should say, oh, that shouldn’t be going on this unrest because look at the people dying. Well, then I guess we should have just stayed part of Great Britain because look at those people that were dying. Right.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, and I agree. And again, these are, man, this one especially, even more so than Venezuela, huge, huge topic, lots and lots of moving pieces. There are multiple people groups. You mentioned that a second ago, Bob, multiple people groups that are in Iran. So it’s a very diverse… You wouldn’t know that, by the way, by the way things are run with the dictatorship that they have there. But it’s a very diverse… population and i think it’s fair to remind everybody that and i knew i grew up actually with uh went to church with a couple of families that actually fled iran when things started to change in the late 70s and they came to america and became by the way very successful business people here in the u.s but they they will tell you all about what things were like i remember this as a kid listening to the stories about how iran was at one point in time you know very Western, if you would, and beautiful people. And they were free to do all sorts of things like we are here in the US. And then when that change came, lots of people, like in this case, the friends that we had church with, they fled and the country changed. And frankly, it’s never been the same since. What will it take to get it back to that? And is that possible? Yeah, I think all things are possible, Bob. You and Neil both know that. Sure, things are possible. Lots and lots of moving pieces. If I were Donald Trump, what would my next move be? I think right now him just encouraging the people that are there, to your point a moment ago, Bob, anytime there’s a revolution, I think just Donald Trump encouraging those people to stand firm and fight for their own freedom. By the way, I think that’s sound advice. What do we as a country do to intervene? Man, Bob, that’s way above my pay grade. You know what?
SPEAKER 04 :
I’ve got to imagine – and I – now this is – all three of us, this is well above our pay grade. But I’ve got to imagine if I could be a fly on the wall in the Oval Office that Trump is sitting here with his military advisors or maybe in the situation where who knows. But I can see Trump saying, you know what, we have a window of opportunity. Iran is on the precipice of maybe being fallen and overthrown. And if we can just give some military help to the protesters by causing disruption to Iran’s military, strike some military targets, strike some military bases, basically attack them and do this for the purpose of defending the protesters, if you will, maybe that’s all that’s needed to cripple them enough that they can be effectively overthrown. Because I can imagine Trump saying, if we sit on the sidelines and do nothing, and then a year from now, Iran holds on to power, the mullahs hold on to power, and they ended up… We’re going to be sitting around a year from now going, we had an opportunity to fundamentally change not only the Middle East, but the entire world. And we passed up on that opportunity because we didn’t step in. Should we strike while the iron is hot? I’ve got to imagine that Donald Trump is at least thinking that to himself. And I’m not sure that that’s a crazy thing to consider, even though… I know it’s scary, the thought of militarily striking Iran. So hang on to that thought because I want to pick it up from there in just a moment. But first, we do want to take a moment right now and remind everybody listening to us that this podcast is sponsored and we need you folks to support our sponsors. And by the way, it benefits you too, like especially Neil with SunPower LED and this photobiomodulation, which helps a lot of people get out of pain in a completely natural way.
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SPEAKER 03 :
I don’t know. And like, John, you know, and I think you indicated as well, this is above all of our pay grades. So all of it’s pure speculation.
SPEAKER 04 :
But on the issue of… What a big decision he’s got to make, though. I mean, the weight of that decision.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yes, huge. But on the other hand, what about, like, how do you create a precision strike when you got people protesting in the streets, when you drop a bomb in the middle of the… you know town square and and everybody’s a military base you target military bases you target airports things like that military airports okay and that was part of my thinking that you have to go after like certain infrastructure perhaps but on the other hand you’ve got you’ve got military action possibly happening you know in venezuela You’ve got Trump saying, hey, look at Greenland. One way or another, Greenland will be ours. So what’s he saying? Is he saying we’re going to get militarily involved there? And then if you get involved in the Middle East, now we’re spread out all over the globe, which actually makes us vulnerable. I don’t know, but I think we need to be in prayer for the future of the United States, but also our world and for the leadership. And the Bible says pray for those in authority. Man, they need wisdom. Because taking some kind of action in order to produce freedom for people in Iran, if that could be justified, then I say let’s go for it. But on the other hand, boots on the ground, if you’re talking about American soldiers on the ground in Iran, I say no. But then again, what do I know? I don’t know. This is overwhelming, the magnitude of the decision that needs to be made.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, I can’t imagine Trump sending boots on the ground. He’s not a boots on the ground kind of guy. Trump is not. But he is a launch missiles and drone strikes from a distance. And, you know, I don’t know if some key military infrastructure was taken out, if some of the government buildings were taken out and he caused the Iranian government military to be running around scrambling. You know, maybe that is the kind of thing that’s necessary, but I know it’s a massive, massive decision and Trump’s got to be weighing the strength of this, but he also has to be weighing the impact of inaction and allowing this moment to pass. And I think, you know… I’ll tell you what, he’s bold. There’s no doubt about it. Trump is a big, bold guy. He’s a risk taker. And based on his M.O., I think Trump launches military strikes in Iran. I do. I think he’s going to end up doing that.
SPEAKER 02 :
And I think you could be right on that, Bob. And I think the one thing we have to remember, too, is what some of the things that I have read. I don’t know. This is just reading. I’m not there. I’m not on the ground. I don’t have any inside information. information. But I do know that a lot of the inside military guard, I guess you could say, you know, they’re they’re kind of wishy washy at this point. And I think Trump knows that. And what I mean by that is, I don’t think it would take a lot to push some of those guys over to the side of the protesters, if you would. In other words, I don’t think the The regime itself has the stability that it might even think that it has, and I think it’s only a matter of days, if you would, Bob, with just a little bit of – this is kind of like that thing that’s teetering. It’s right at the precipice. It’s teetering, and I think all Trump has to do is sort of just push it just a little bit, and then it goes down on its own. In other words, I don’t think you have to do a lot of intervention. It’s just what intervention do you do and at what time. Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
And that’s actually how I look at it, too. I don’t think it needs. I don’t think we need a full scale attack. I think just some targeted teeny push to get it right. Exactly. Exactly. You know, Neil mentioned Greenland real quick. It’s kind of on the side. But what do you think? We need Greenland.
SPEAKER 02 :
I think we need Greenland. And I think you’ll see that if we do Greenland, it’ll be it’ll be some sort of a negotiated purchase. Yeah, we’re not going to go in there militarily take over Greenland. It’ll be something we write a check for.
SPEAKER 04 :
Right. Well, Trump’s floating the idea of – there’s only 57,000 citizens of Greenland.
SPEAKER 02 :
Right.
SPEAKER 04 :
So he’s floating the idea of offering them 100 grand apiece. It would be $6 billion. But how many people in Greenland might be like, hey, I’ll take $100,000 and become the 51st state of the U.S.?
SPEAKER 02 :
I think a lot of them probably would.
SPEAKER 04 :
Probably just to Denmark.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah. And everything I’ve read there, just as a side note, and again, I don’t know a lot about Greenland. I’ve never been there. It’s not really green, as we all know. There’s only the edges that are. It’s really pretty much just snow and ice. It’s more like what you would think Iceland would be, but they’re opposite in their names. But at the end of the day, there’s not a lot of… of um you know the danes don’t do a lot to support that particular island i guess the best way to say that bob and that might end up being to their detriment because i’m guessing what you just said if you floated that out to a lot of those individuals they might very well take new allegiance money talks yeah maybe
SPEAKER 04 :
Hey, Neil, as we kind of wind down this podcast, I am curious to totally switch gears here, but what’s your take on the Supreme Court yesterday, on Tuesday this week, hearing oral arguments on the transgender cases here? To me, this is such a clear common sense issue, but… We know the three liberals on the court. We know what Elena Kagan, Sonia Sotomayor, and Katonji Brown-Jackson, we know what they’re going to do. They’re going to side with the trannies. And you would think Neil Gorsuch would be a solid conservative vote, but Neil Gorsuch was actually one of the toughest people on the Trump administration Department of Justice list. attorney and grilling him about this. So the court watchers are saying it looks like Neil Gorsuch, as conservative as he is, this may be a liberal area for him and he may be with the liberals in this case. And then now we got to hope that Amy Coney, you know, Amy Coney Barrett or Brett Kavanaugh don’t jump over with the liberals. But I don’t know. What’s what’s your thoughts on this case?
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. What I was reading was indicating that Justice Roberts might actually be the swing vote in the end. But who knows?
SPEAKER 04 :
Well, he sounded conservative in this case. He was actually pressing. Hey, come on. How can you tell me you don’t know what what sex is? If you’re telling me that this is about discrimination based on sex, don’t you have to figure out what sex is?
SPEAKER 03 :
So, I mean, give Roberts credit for that. We’ve talked about a variety of different things today that seem obvious. And this is another one. This is huge. Like, how in the world can Democrats slash liberals… say that they care about women’s rights and that they want what’s best for women and then turn around and destroy sports that were created and protected for women. Right. I mean, Title nine was designed to advance women and opportunities for women in sports. And today they champion and embrace Everything that’s destroying women’s sports, some almost 2000 people who would have deserved medals had them stripped away because somebody who was born a male, you know, got in the way of that. And people have been denied scholarships and other opportunities. There’s nothing pro woman about men in women’s sports. And it’s just like a common sense issue. Man, I pray to God that the Supreme Court does the right thing on this in standing for any legislation that protects women’s rights to participate as women, because not only is it harmful to them physically, ultimately it undermines what, you know, what God created, the difference between a male and a female. And we ought to be celebrating those differences, not trying to erase them. I don’t know. I think that the court’s going to do the right thing, but pretty iffy. It’s a close call.
SPEAKER 04 :
John, you know, we’ve all been in radio for a long time, and I just try to think back even 10 years ago, let alone 20 years ago, but even 10 years ago, try to imagine that we’re having a debate, a split down the middle debate in America about whether ICE agents… trying to capture criminals that are committing rapes and murders and drug dealing, whether they’re the bad guys or the good guys, and whether or not we should be allowing hairy men to take trophies away from women and then traumatize them by walking naked in the shower. And this is something we’re biting our nails saying, hmm, how’s the Supreme Court going to come down on this? I mean, it is surreal.
SPEAKER 02 :
I mean, to me, this one is—I’m not a legal expert. I’m not those individuals, but— Bob, I got enough common sense to know that DNA doesn’t change what you were made with. And again, I talk about transgenderism and the mental illness involved with it and the fact that you’re really trying to replace God in your life with you or, you know, or something else outside of him. In other words, you said, God made a mistake. I’m going to change my gender because he screwed up. Essentially, that’s transgenderism in a nutshell, in my opinion. It’s why it’s a very, again, for me, it’s a very demonic, you know, it’s all the Marxism I’ve talked about so many, many times. The reality is it’s the replacement of God saying, you screwed up. I’m going to fix what you messed up.
SPEAKER 04 :
Yeah. And first of all, I’ve said it for a long time. There’s no such thing as a sex change operation. You can’t change your sex. You can mutilate your body to make yourself look like the opposite gender, but you’re not. Okay. Neil, let me, because one of the things we appreciate certainly about everybody listening to this podcast, we appreciate them supporting our sponsors. And of course, one of those sponsors, SunPowerLED. And if people haven’t gone to SunPowerLED yet, they really ought to check it out and see what it can do for them.
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