This episode of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast dives into some of the most contentious issues shaking American society today. Hosts Neil Boron, Bob Duco, and John Rush explore the persistent debate over the appropriateness and validity of the term ‘stolen land’ in relation to American history. They critically assess the popular narratives and question the implications of historical claims on contemporary socio-political discourse. The conversation provides personal insights and engaging analysis on how these perspectives continue to divide public opinion. Listeners are invited to navigate through a dynamic discussion about the Grammys, celebrity statements on geopolitical issues, and
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Back with another week of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast with all the guys. We’ve got Neil Boron. Neil Boron, live out of Buffalo, New York. John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Myself, Bob Duco, the Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. Guys, how are you? Great. Doing good, Bob. Super Bowl week.
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you know i know i which by the way let’s okay neil who you wanting seattle or patriots i want patriots are closer to you yeah you know i wanted the buffalo bills because that was a catch but either way uh i wouldn’t i wouldn’t mind seeing the patriots i’m kind of an afc guy but you’re still you’re still on that that was a catch by the way still bitter gonna be on that forever you know that’s right on the wide right somebody moved the goalposts i promise you can
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If you look at it, it was bent. There’s a conspiracy here. Somebody bent it. They bent it in.
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No, I think Seattle wins by 20-plus points. I think they’re going to blow them out. Yeah, well, New England didn’t beat anybody who had a winning record except the Bills. They beat the Bills. But bottom line, then they beat Denver. But, okay, two wins over teams with winning records. I don’t know. Seattle’s a powerhouse. I don’t know how New England’s going to be able to do it. But we’ll see. That’s why they play the games.
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John, any interest in it? Well, given that it’s – I’m just not a CL fan, sorry. Got to go AFC on this one. So even though the Pats aren’t my favorite, that’s who I’ll be rooting for.
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All right.
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Sorry, all you Seattle fans.
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Keep pouring more money into the dynasty.
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What about you, Bob? I mean, bottom line is Buffalo, Denver, and Detroit are not in, so the game is meaningless, but what about you?
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It really is. Truthfully, what I’m looking for, honestly, is a really great game. I am. And so if it’s a good game, I… I’ll tell you what, there’s part of me that likes the idea of, hey, let the dynasty continue the dynasty. There’s also part of me that’s like, all right, unseat the dynasty. So I could go either way. I really could. Yeah, you’re right. It’s not the Lions, so what do I care? But no, I’ll watch it. I’ll probably enjoy it. So, by the way, we’re going to talk later on about the documentary Melania. We’re going to talk about a lot of anti-ice stuff today. Grammys. Either one of you guys watch the Grammys? Absolutely not.
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Nada.
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Never do it.
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No? Don’t care to.
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Zero interest. Zero interest. I just can’t – I can’t bring myself to watch the Grammys or the Oscars or the Golden Globes or any of that kind of stuff. It’s a bunch of rich, gazillionaire Hollywood celebrity elites who think that because they’re so rich and they have a lot of fans that they have all knowledge when it comes to things geopolitical and such. So they sit there and they pat each other on the back and give each other awards. And I’m just like, I’m just not interested in it. But the best song went to pop star Billie Eilish. All right. So she goes up there during her acceptance speech and she says, no one is illegal on stolen land. And then she says blank ice, the F word. Okay. There’s two different things to unpack in here. First, the anti-ice kind of stuff. You know, no one is illegal. But then also the stolen land part of this. So let’s address the stolen land part. part of this guy’s first. This is a talking point from the left that we’re living on stolen land. All right. Two things come to mind. Number one, you talk about tone deaf hypocrisy and irony. One of her mansions, one of her mega million dollar mansions happens to be on land, the ancestral land of the Tongva tribe. And even the Tongva tribe themselves come out and say, you know what? He’s sitting on our ancestral land. So talk about tone deaf, clueless. Okay, fine. But then secondly, the idea that if the Native Americans were here first, then that means that all of North America belongs to them and their land. And here’s what we got to remember. And I just want to give you my take on this. You guys might agree, disagree. I don’t know, but I want to give you my take and then I’ll throw it around. Um, After the Tower of Babel about 4,000 years ago, people started spreading out and they started basically exploring, exploring new parts of the world. Well, one of those new parts of the world that got explored was North America and South America. Now, the Native Americans, they weren’t created by God in situ right here in North America. He didn’t cause them to materialize from the dust of the ground and North America was their Garden of Eden. No. They traveled here as explorers from what is considered Russia right now. Crazy as that sounds, Native Americans are actually Russian to start with, at least as far as that land area goes. They happen to get over here first. Okay, fine. There’s a lot of people that came to the Americas from different parts of the world. Europeans came here second. The people from the Russia area came here first. All right, fine. But when the Europeans got here… 99.9% of North American land mass was uninhabited. So are we really gonna say that you own an entire continent if you’re the first people to step foot there? To me, that doesn’t make sense. This was in the exploration stage. Humanity was still exploring around the world. China’s talking about going to the moon. Okay, well, since we were there first, does that mean we put up a no trespassing sign? Hey, this is our land. We own the moon since we were here first. It doesn’t work that way. So I don’t see this as stolen land. I do believe we did some things wrong by the Indians. I’m not denying things like the Trail of Tears. I’m not denying the broken treaties and such like that. But this was during the exploration phase of humanity, and everybody was out there exploring new lands. And we explored this land as well. So I don’t see it as stolen land.
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Bob, you could say the entire world, you could take the entire world and apply that same philosophy that it’s stolen. You know, civilizations have conquered land, area, done things throughout the beginning of time. So the reality is, if you really want to get down to it, aren’t we all on stolen land, quote unquote? To a certain extent, if you think about it, yeah. I mean, basically the same analogy applies to the whole earth. Right. It does. I agree.
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So to me, I think the stolen land thing is a joke. But, I mean, Neil, what’s your take on this stolen land stuff?
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Same as yours. And it sounds ridiculous and overly simplistic, the whole Adam and Eve thing, but the bottom line is human civilization began somewhere. And of course, if you’re a Bible-believing Christian, you believe it began in the Garden of Eden when God created mankind and said, here’s the earth, inhabit it. And he didn’t say, but all of you are going to have to decide where you’re going to live and set up borders and boundaries. And uh and you know never have disputes about those things in the future i mean mankind is simple and and there’s problems that occur from time to time but you know your point about native american people coming over from russia originally just because they set foot in north america does it mean that they have rights to central america the boundary that was set up later by the way designation anyway south america then they get the whole thing because they’re because you don’t walk you know from the North America down into Central America, and there’s like a boundary. Like, here’s the boundary. So the point is well taken, and I just think it’s insane to try to create those things. It’s the aftermath of people talking about colonization and the liberal indoctrination people have got in universities especially over the last century, and it’s disgusting.
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I know, I know. Well, you know, actually after, not to get into too much creation science here, but after the flood and around the time of the Tower of Babel, there would have been an ice age on Earth. This is one of the things where creationists and evolutionists agree that there was an ice age. It’s just evolutionists say there were many, many ice ages over millions and millions of years. Creationists say there was one ice age that lasted just a few hundred years and that’s it. But one thing both sides agree on, when you have an ice age, the ocean levels dramatically go down and you can walk anywhere on the earth. You can walk continent to continent. And that is true. You literally could because the waters are so shallow in between the continents. So during an ice age, Animals and people can travel anywhere that they want to on planet Earth. They don’t need boats to do that. You could walk from China to Australia during an ice age. And so one of the things I’ve pointed out with creation science is that whenever evolutionists say, well, how come Australia only has kangaroos and not the rest of the world? I’m like, that’s a creation science argument. OK, if they had millions of years to hop around all over the Earth, they should be evenly distributed. They’re not. They only had a short period of time to get to certain continents and then pretty much get landlocked. But as far as humans, ever since that time, yeah, if all the continents are connected during an ice age, then anything that you stand on, anything you put foot on, you now own everything that you can walk to. I mean, that’s just, it’s ridiculous. So no, I think it’s nonsense. But listen, a little bit more to talk about this. But Neil, first, I want to ask you, if you would, let our listeners know about SunPowerLED, a sponsor of this show, and how important it is that people not only support our sponsors, but recognize they’re helping themselves when they support our sponsors like SunPowerLED.
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Doesn’t fit their narrative as of today. Bob, as you know, that’s the answer. And talked about this a lot this week on my show because of everything going on and the fact that there’s just so much brainwashing. I don’t know what other word to use. Brainwashing going on by the news media, especially to our younger generation that’s out there. The reality is they’re hearing only one side of of the story and one of the things that I guess I would you know I threw this out on my program to those young people listening and I don’t know how many listen to our podcast but you know us having a closed border us deporting people that are here illegally and again we’re not saying humans are illegal we’re saying these are illegal aliens illegal immigrants they’ve come through the wrong way they didn’t come through the proper channels no different than if Bob you and I and Neil were to go to Ethiopia I’ve been there numerous times and That’s a country where you have to apply for a visa way in advance. If you overstay your visa, you’re going to be in trouble. I mean, that’s Ethiopia. So the reality is many, many countries take their immigration laws very, very seriously, way more than we do here. And I encourage any of these people that don’t believe me to try what I just said. Go to another foreign country, overstay your visa, and see how that works out at the end of the day. I liken it, Bob, to telling young people especially, asking a question. Do you close the door to your house at night and lock it? Do you close the door to your bedroom and want your own privacy? Do you allow only certain people into your home and into your bedroom? Do you go to the grocery store and leave your car unlocked with the keys in it so anybody that wants to drive it can? I mean, if you really want open borders, then you should open your house. You should open your room. You should leave the keys in the car, let anybody that wants to drive it drive it. The key here is we have to have laws and rules. Otherwise, it’s total chaos, and we don’t have a country anymore. Yeah, well said.
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Anil, what’s your take on this, on the fact that all the people that are so offended now at the idea of saying that people are here illegally and they have to be deported because they’re here illegally, why didn’t this offend their sensibilities when Obama was president and he was doing it on steroids? Yeah.
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Well, the same thing John said because of the narrative that they’re trying to push today. It doesn’t fit the narrative. But, you know, let me just sort of appeal to any of you. You may not be a Trump fan, but you’re not a dyed in the wool liberal to the point where you can’t understand reason. You know, like just stop for a second and think about if you were to try to walk into another country. John mentioned Ethiopia. I live 16 miles from the Canadian border. If I walk in there and just walk across the border, I don’t stop at the border crossing and explain why I’m going there and show some identification, I’m not welcome there. Secondarily, I’ll be removed immediately, but I definitely can’t walk in there and then begin demanding and that I get free housing and free food and free education. It’s insane. That doesn’t exist in the real world. But this is what people are supporting. Somebody on X posted this. It just stuck out to me. They said, you cannot simultaneously believe, one, that all borders are fake and should not be policed, and two, that land can’t be stolen. This is one of the most brain-dead beliefs a person can hold. You know, we as you so eloquently said about locks on your doors, we all believe in some form of border and protection. I mean, it’s it’s fabric to what we do. This country’s existed for 250 years. For the last 40 of them, we’ve had conversations about what to do regarding illegals coming to our country. You know, we’ve had a system for 250 years that says you are welcome here, provided you do it legally. What happened in the last 40 years, and by the way, it’s only gotten really intense in the last 10 or less years, because going back to Clinton, you had, you know, Bill Clinton was talking about getting illegals out of the country. Obviously, Barack Obama in a big way with, you know, border czar Tom Homan. So this is nothing foreign to us. And I guess I just want to, as I appeal to those in the middle, independents who are kind of like not full-fledged MAGA, they’re not going there, but, you know, not huge supporters. of the left either. They’re just kinda like, just show me something that makes sense. Well, stop and use your ability to apply reason and logic to this issue and say, why would we open our doors to anybody on the planet, regardless of how nefarious their ideas might be about what they’re gonna do in the United States once they come here. And we’re just gonna say, come on in, you’re all welcome. Every person on the planet’s welcome here. Now we need borders. And by the way, if you wanna turn it into a Jesus thing and go, well, Jesus welcomed everybody. Yeah, he died once for all, the just for the unjust, in order that he might bring us to God. But the only ones who get to go to God are the ones who believe in him. The Bible’s clear about that. And so Jesus himself in Matthew 7 said, narrow is the gate that leads to heaven. You know, the eternal life, that gate is narrow, and few there be that find it, meaning the vast majority of people who haven’t received Jesus are not welcome in heaven. And that’s Jesus speaking in Matthew 7.
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That’s right. That’s such a great point. And by the way… I do want to address the term whataboutism. This makes my eye twitch sometimes because I get email from listeners if I point out, look how many people Barack Obama deported. Oh, Bob, you’re just playing whataboutism. Let me say something about that. Whataboutism. There is a legitimate whataboutism and an illegitimate whataboutism. Whataboutism is illegitimate is when you’re using it to justify wrongdoing. In other words, if Trump is doing something wrong and then we say, oh, yeah, what about so-and-so? They did the same wrong thing. That’s whataboutism in an illegitimate way. However, whataboutism is perfectly legitimate if you’re exposing a double standard where something is being called wrong when it’s really not. In other words, if Obama does it and it’s considered right and acceptable and Trump does it and it’s now being called wrong and unacceptable, then it is legitimate to say, what about so-and-so because they did it and you thought it was perfectly fine. So whataboutism is only wrong. It’s only a bad debate tactic if you’re trying to justify wrongdoing by pointing to somebody else’s wrongdoing. But it is perfectly justified to say this is not wrongdoing. And the reason it’s not wrongdoing is when this other person on your side did it, you didn’t consider it wrongdoing then. And it’s the same thing being done. So don’t play the, well, you guys are just about whataboutism kind of card. Okay. No, we’re not justifying bad behavior by pointing at other bad behavior. We’re pointing out that it’s not bad behavior in the first place. All right. And you guys prove it by your own side supporting these things in the past. So I just wanted to make sure to clarify that.
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So Bob, hang on.
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Comments or thoughts. Yes.
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This came out in the conversation, you know, we alluded to it, but What did change in the liberal narrative? I mean, Democrats for years supported cracking down on illegal immigration. They funded the war originally. Trump was only trying to complete the war that the Democrats funded. So what fundamentally changed in our thinking today? in policy here in the country? How in the world did these radical left-wing liberals get a hold of this and turn it into a bad thing, to have a border to provide safety for our citizens?
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You know what? I have a theory on that, and I’m going to try to play sociologist here for a moment. But my theory is that since they were okay with Obama doing this, Anything that Trump does, we have to somehow, someway try to demonize him as a racist, a sexist, a xenophobe, just a horrible, evil person. And so when Trump started talking about, hey, we’re going to build a wall, Mexican border wall, make Mexico pay for it, we’re going to mass deportation or whatever, they’re like, okay. They, for political purposes, decided to start calling that evil. And then once they did that, I think they started realizing, wait a minute, this could be to our benefit here. Because if we open the borders and just flood people in, oh my goodness, we can help ourselves with electoral college votes. We can help ourselves with more congressional representation in Congress. And so I think they started realizing that playing this card against Donald Trump is something that could actually benefit them politically. And now they had a real reason to actually become open borders and anti- cracking down on illegal immigration. So I really think it was a little bit of both. But that’s a great question that you ask. And I would like to explore that a little bit more as we start the second half coming up next. But first, Neil, if you would remind our listeners about all the great things that photobiomodulation and SunPower LED can do for them.
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Continuing the second half of the National Crawford Roundtable podcast with all of the guys. John Rush, Rush to Reason out of Denver, Colorado. Neil Boron, Neil Boron Live out of Buffalo, New York. Myself, Bob Duco, the Bob Duco Show out of Detroit. That’s right. The places where the Broncos, the Bills, and the Lions are not in the Super Bowl. But, you know, we’re still going to try to watch and enjoy the Super Bowl. Ouch. Ouch. I know. It would be so great if just one of the three of us could be in the Super Bowl so we could just really rub it in the faces of the other two. That’s
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Well, listen, the Bills played the Denver Broncos, and we lost to the Broncos. Unfortunately, there was a bad call, and it was a catch by Brandon. But either way, either way, I’m being a good sport, and I told John I’m going to send him some WDCX bling. So he’s got a package on the way. I think you’re getting it Friday, John.
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And it was a quick call, too. It was like, all right.
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They didn’t even review it. I know.
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How weird was that?
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The next day, the same exact thing happened in another game, and it was ruled the other way. So whatever.
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I know. I know. You know what? All right. Remember what Jesus said, 70 times 7, Neil.
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Exactly.
SPEAKER 04 :
Wow. I know, really. Okay. Listen, we were talking in the first half, okay? Neil brought up a great point. And I kind of want to throw this to you, John, as well. And I want to throw out my own little theory on this. What happened with the Democrats? Why were they so pro-deportation when Obama was in office and they were funding building a wall and such? And I know this is cynical, but in my honest opinion, it’s a combination of two things. One, Democrats, they’re like chameleons. They will alter their views based on what’s politically expedient for them and will help them be in power. And the polls were on the side of we want walls built and we want deportations. And so, therefore, Barack Obama was doing it with support of the polls. The second thing, though, is that they had to come up with something to demonize Trump for. And so it was, oh, well, he hates Muslims and he doesn’t want immigrants in this country and whatever. And so they turned this into a demonizing of him. And, John, I just consider it fake outrage. The left, they are masters at manufacturing outrage. And a perfect example of this was during COVID. You know, I played actually yesterday on my show here in Detroit. I played a montage from January and February of 2020. All right. This is when COVID first came out. A montage of news reports from ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, all of them. And this montage has them calling coronavirus the China virus, the Chinese virus, the Wuhan virus. In other words, using the words Wuhan, China and Chinese to describe the virus. For two months, they did that solidly until March of 2020, when Donald Trump started calling it the Wuhan virus, the China virus. Then at that moment. That instantly transformed into a racist slur against Asians. The media stopped calling it the China virus and Democrats started pointing to Donald Trump to see what a racist he is that he calls it the China virus and Wuhan virus. And then they know they can trick a certain percentage of Americans into being told how to feel, and they will feel that way about it. I hate to say it, and that’s exactly what they did with illegal immigration, deporting illegals. Hey, that’s a good thing. Oh, Donald Trump is doing it now. Hey, that’s evil. That’s xenophobic. And you can get just enough voters to go, yeah, it sure is. I know it’s cynical, but that’s really what I think the two main things are, John. I’d love to get your take on what caused the Democrats to go pro-deportation, anti-deportation. Yeah.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, it’s it’s the other thing I remind everybody of is, you know, deportation doesn’t mean that these people have a one shot and you’re out. You know, keep in mind that a lot of cases, these particular individuals have been through countless meetings, have had to do certain things on their end to stay. I mean, Bob, we could get in all the details of what it takes to immigrate to this country. And even if you come illegally, the things that happen afterwards and That’s a show in and of itself because people think this is a one-shot deal and now they’re being deported. That’s not at all how this works and we know that. And yeah, you’re right, Bob. This is simply Trump derangement syndrome. I hate to say it any other way. That’s exactly what it is. These are individuals that just hate Trump so badly that even the fact that that under the other administrations we’ve had previous, there were more deportations happening than there is right now. Donald Trump did exactly what he said he was going to do. This is a calculated deportation of the bad actors first. Now, I’ve had people call into the show and say, listen, they ought to all be rounded up and sent home. Well, the reality is… That’s an undertaking that’s hard to do because there’s so many here that it’s almost an impossible feat to do. So what Donald Trump has done with HHS and – or not HHS, but Homeland Security and ICE is they’re going after those that have records. Those are the bad actors. Those that are – let’s face it, guys, a scourge on society that doesn’t make society safe. They’re the ones that are making things worse for people, and that’s who’s being rounded up first. And yet the Democrats are having a fit because we’re trying to make things safer. Go figure. Absolutely. Absolutely.
SPEAKER 04 :
Now, there’s something else regarding this. Do you know that in West Virginia, they just wrapped up a two-week campaign, DHS did in West Virginia, of arresting and deporting illegal aliens, targeting specifically those that committed additional crimes, but not only those that committed additional crimes, but primarily. 650 illegals were arrested. by ICE in these sweeps in several cities across West Virginia. And you know something interesting? There were no riots. There was no chaos. Tear gas wasn’t needed to be used. Nobody got shot. Nobody got killed. None of that happened. And you add to that, there have been hundreds of thousands of illegals arrested in Republican red states all across the country Over the last year, without riots, without tear gas, without people getting shot, without any of the chaos that we hear comes with ICE. And so, Neil, I’m just kind of curious, if ICE is the cause of the chaos, if the chaos in Minneapolis is ICE’s fault and they bring chaos with them, why was there no chaos afterwards? in West Virginia. Why has there been no chaos in Republican red states across the country? Why is there no chaos when cities, local cities and municipalities, cooperate with ICE and don’t encourage people to riot and fight against ICE? You don’t see the chaos. So I’m confused then. How does ICE bring chaos if you only see chaos where Democrats are encouraging people to fight against ICE?
SPEAKER 03 :
There’s probably somebody listening who thinks that this doesn’t happen in West Virginia because everybody’s family there. But… Aside from that. Wow. Wow. That’s right.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s Neil at Crawford.
SPEAKER 02 :
Yeah, that’s right. There you go.
SPEAKER 04 :
Actually, Neil, I got to say real quick, as long as we’re at it, do you know what the difference is between a tornado or not? Do you know what a tornado and a West Virginia divorce have in common? No. A tornado and a West Virginia divorce. Either way, somebody’s losing a trailer. Okay. I know. I’m sorry. I know. That’s wrong. That’s so wrong. Bob at Crawford Media Group. There you go. Exactly. Neil, I’m sorry. Go ahead. If Bryce brings chaos, why don’t we have chaos in other places around the country?
SPEAKER 03 :
Because West Virginians are sensible people who follow the law. Bottom line, they uphold the nation’s laws. Our laws are that you can’t come to the country illegally. And if you do, you’ll be deported. And it’s what our government has supported for the last 40 years and only recently. I agree. You know, the reason I asked the question earlier is how did all this change? I just wondered if there was any other reason besides Trump derangement syndrome. It’s hatred for Donald Trump that causes people to to riot in the streets. about law enforcement enforcing the law. Stop and think about what that really looks like. Now, does that mean that every ICE officer has behaved properly in every circumstance? None of them lost their cool? None of them went outside the boundaries of protocol and did something damaging? No. And those individuals should be dealt with properly. But States need to uphold the laws of the federal government. Local towns need to uphold the laws of the state. And law enforcement needs to support law enforcement. So what you’ve got in places like Minnesota, you’ve got local law enforcement that’s doing nothing to help ICE. And by the way, a lot of… A lot of the arrests that are being made in places like West Virginia and other red state places where there’s no rioting in the streets, a lot of those transactions are happening behind closed doors because some illegal has committed a crime. They’re being held in a jail somewhere. ICE comes to the jail, takes possession of that individual and deports them. It’s not done in public. It’s not there’s no opportunity for that kind of thing. But it’s because the individual municipality is supporting the laws of the locality and the state and the federal government that we believe borders matter. And so law enforcement’s doing what law enforcement was created to do. So, yeah, I don’t know. I mean, it’s it’s a red state, blue state thing for sure. Anybody can get out a map and find out where these riots are happening. And they’re not happening in red states for sure.
SPEAKER 04 :
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Oh, I know, I know.
SPEAKER 04 :
It’s crazy. John, what’s your take on this, that if ICE is the one bringing – the chaos. And I would just love for some reporter to ask this question of any one of these Democrats. Ask Jacob Frey, if ICE is responsible for bringing the chaos, then why have there been a hundred times more deportations across the rest of the country, arrests than what’s happened in Minneapolis, and you don’t see chaos over there? What’s the difference? I’d love a reporter to ask that.
SPEAKER 02 :
And really, to me, the difference is, and I know Neil hit on it, but I want to add one more thing to it. Keep in mind that when you have sanctuary cities and or sanctuary states, Minneapolis, we’ll use them as an example. If you’re a bad guy, I mean, the thing I think people forget at times, Bob, is, you know, These guys aren’t dumb. I mean, maybe they’re not super smart in some of the things they do and get involved in and so on, but they’re not dumb people. And what I mean by that is if you’re going to offer a person choice A, which is, hey, sanctuary, nobody’s really going to bother you. You can pretty much go in there and do whatever you want to. In fact, if you get into any criminal activity, they’re not going to deport you because that’s not the kind of environment that you’re in. And you’re pretty safe going there versus B, hey, you go over here and, man, if you get into trouble, you’re liable to be back down to the border being deported because they don’t put up with that stuff. Bob, if you’re those individuals, where are you going in the first place? Right. I know. I know. You’re going to Minneapolis or Denver or places like that. So my point with all these people that are against this is, of course, you’re going to have more uproar. And of course, you’re going to have more difficulties. And of course, you’re going to have more of them to deal with in these sanctuary cities and states because of what I just said.
SPEAKER 04 :
Absolutely. I could not agree with you more. It is. Well, that’s the problem.
SPEAKER 03 :
You speak in common sense and the left wing doesn’t tap into that. This is ridiculously simplistic, but I think somebody might want to try this even in a blue state, seriously. But let’s just say that you see a state trooper has pulled someone over on the thruway, right? Pull up behind them, get out of your car, take a whistle with you, and go up and stand between the officer and the car. Interject yourself. Get into the officer’s face and begin blowing a whistle as loud as you possibly can because you don’t think that it’s right that somebody would get a ticket for speeding. You just think that’s an unjust law. See how long you can get away with that. But this is exactly what they’re doing when ICE officers are enforcing our laws. I mean, they’re simply enforcing the laws that are on the books, ladies and gentlemen, which, by the way, the American people voted for. The lawmakers that put this stuff into place were elected by U.S. citizens. This is what we want. And agitators, those that are confronting law enforcement, protesters, they’re getting in the face of the effort to carry out the laws that we want and that we voted for here in the U.S. So true.
SPEAKER 04 :
All right. In our last few minutes, let’s shift the discussion over to Melania Trump. This new documentary, Melania, it came out for a documentary and a limited release, a pretty strong $7 million opening weekend. That’s more than either of the Obama movies that came out did. And by the way, this is without all of the free publicity that the Obama movies did and other documentaries as well. Melania Trump, $7 million opening weekend. Now, of course, she’s got the president of the United States to help promote it. So I get that. I’m not denying that. But then it turns out on the Monday after the weekend, it pulled in another million. So at this point, they’re saying, OK, let’s expand the theaters now to another couple hundred theaters. So it’s actually doing very well as far as documentaries go. But you know something? John, the left hates Melania Trump. They hate her with a passion. The media – she’s a fashion model. She’s a former fashion model, yet Vogue magazine won’t put her on the cover. They did Michelle Obama plenty of times, but they won’t put her on the cover. The press – ignores her. The late night comedians mock her and mock her accent. But you know what, John? She has everything that the liberal left claims that they value. She brings multiculturalism to the White House. She’s an immigrant. If Donald Trump hates immigrants so much, why did he marry one? So she’s an immigrant. They should love her for that. Multicultural, they should love her for that. She, as a matter of fact, not only is beautiful and a fashion model, if this were a Democrat, it’d be like Camelot all over again. But she also is an intelligent woman who speaks five languages. English is her fifth language. I’ll bet you Joy Behar doesn’t even speak pig Latin, let alone an actual second language. And on top of that, Melania Trump is actually pro-abortion. She’s independent of her husband in this particular area. That’s not enough. You know why, John? Because the liberal left, their hatred for Donald Trump is stronger than their so-called love For immigrants, intelligent women, strong women, even pro-abortion women, multiculturalism, the things they claim they love take a backseat to the hate they have in their heart for Donald Trump. I don’t know how else to explain it.
SPEAKER 02 :
No, you’re exactly right. We reviewed that movie actually yesterday on air, and great movie. Those of you that haven’t seen it, you need to go see it. She is absolutely the finest First Lady this country has probably ever seen, Bob, and I mean that sincerely. We can go a long way back in time, and what I mean by that is just the poise, the class, the things that she brings to the White House, the fact the press doesn’t rattle her. I mean, I can go down the list, and by the way, Bob, what I just said is partly why the press hates her, because they can’t get under her skin like they do a lot of others. She is a very… you know, stoic, high class, always high class, by the way, individual that just doesn’t let those things bother her. And she knows exactly where she’s going. She knows what she wants to be, what she wants to do, and fully supports her husband and everything that he does.
SPEAKER 04 :
And she’s pro-abortion, which we obviously disagree on, but that doesn’t mean that you’re not willing to acknowledge the class that she shows in so many other areas as first lady. But the left is just so filled with hatred. It’s like, nope, they just can’t see it. Neil, what’s your take on this and why the left hates Melania Trump so much when she is, in fact, the poster child of everything that they say that they value and celebrate?
SPEAKER 03 :
Same thing. Trump derangement syndrome. Because her last name is Trump, I think. What other explanation could there be? By the way, I’ve seen a number of articles that say that the hardcore MAGA group really hasn’t been that supportive of her and of this film even that you know they’re just not that connected but then again you know melania hasn’t always been like at mega rallies and she uh has been somewhat elusive like uh one one publication said that her defining characteristic is absence But she is a very sophisticated woman, highly educated, beautiful, as you mentioned. And in every other circumstance, I mean, just think back over the years how, you know, first ladies have been heralded for just for just being alive, let alone anything they accomplished. And it’s absolutely insane that she isn’t given more credit or looked at more seriously for what she brings to the table in this whole equation. And actually, if you think about it, for people that think that that Donald Trump is off the rails, he’s insane, he’s mega, he’s all these other things. But he’s married to Melania Trump and she hasn’t left him. And all of his kids love each of the kids, love each of them. What I’m saying is he did something right raising his own kids. I mentioned that before. So I think there’s more to the story. And I personally love to know more about Melania. So I guess I’m going to have to see this documentary. I thought I thought about it. I thought about taking my wife to go see it. We didn’t get there. probably in the future we will but i just i think it’s hypocritical exactly what you’re saying that so many others can be lifted up and heralded for whatever they bring to the table and milani is absolutely ignored and i think that says everything about where they’re coming from on that the left i’m talking about i know
SPEAKER 04 :
And by the way, not only ignored, but even mocked. I mean, Jimmy Kimmel was mocking her accent at one time in his in his monologue. And so the fashion magazines won’t even put her on the cover. And she, by profession, was a fashion model. So when’s the last I mean, a fashion model cannot ask for more than the first lady of the United States. Being a fashion model. I mean, you can’t if you’re a fashion magazine, you can’t ask for more than that. And they still the Trump derangement syndrome is so over the top, which goes to show.
SPEAKER 03 :
Yeah. Quick question. Has she ever pushed back on that? Has she ever said, how come I’m not on the cover? I don’t recall her. No, which actually that’s another thing.
SPEAKER 04 :
To John’s point. Well, I know what class. To John’s point, she doesn’t complain about this. She’s, you know what, you know, that’s okay. Let’s just, you know, try to come together and love one another. And it’s like, oh my goodness, you know, everything about her. She’s not a dominant personality as far as injecting her views strongly in particular areas. I mean, Hillary Clinton certainly was when Bill Clinton was president. And by the way, in all fairness, Nancy Reagan was when Ronald Reagan was president. But Melania Trump, she does, even though I wish she wasn’t pro-abortion, I really do. But you know what? Nobody can deny the class that she shows as first lady. She gets no credit for it whatsoever because she dares to be married to Donald Trump. Look, we appreciate you folks listening to this podcast. We very much appreciate you supporting our sponsors as well, like SunPowerLED, like Preborn. And if you haven’t given a Preborn in a while, Would you do it again? Plain and simple, right? Make this part of your regular missionary budget in your household to say, well, we spend so much money for this, we spend so much money for this, and we spend so much money to stop abortions and save babies’ lives. See, when you give to pre-born, you’re paying for ultrasound images. Those ultrasound images of unborn babies, this is what changes moms’ lives. When they see a picture of their baby, it is very rare for for them to go across the street to Planned Parenthood and go through with an abortion. No, they usually let their baby live. And commonly, they accept Jesus Christ as Savior too. So $28 is the average ultrasound expense to change one mom’s mind, to save one baby’s life. How many babies’ lives will you be willing to save today? Take $28 times fill in the blank. Pray about a number. And then that’s your gift to pre-born. And, hey, we need some of you out there to buy ultrasound machines, okay? They’re $15,000 apiece. Great tax write-off for you. You get to know you’re stopping thousands and thousands of abortions over the years. But for everybody else, $28 times fill in the blank. So it’s nice to know, too, that everything you give to Preborn goes to ultrasounds.
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